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There's been a lot of confusion lately over the fate of Google's Nexus program. Rumors swirled, after LG's planned Nexus was canceled (and later denied entirely), that the program was dead in favor of an upcoming Android Silver initiative. With the revelation that HTC is working on a 9" tablet device (code named Volantis), it seemed the Nexus program had at least one more device in store - expected to launch with Android's L release this fall. Then, during an interview at Google I/O, Dave Burke appeared to confirm that Google was still invested in the Nexus program, suggesting there might be another Nexus phone coming after all.

We've also been seeing plenty of rumors concerning Motorola's efforts with the "X+1" phone - including full-on hardware shots of a device suspected to be the phone. What we didn't expect, however, was that Motorola may be working on another device - for now code named Shamu, that may indeed be a Nexus phone. We've received information suggesting this is the case, with just a few additional details. Given the fact that this is a hardware rumor, we're going to treat it like other rumor posts, assigning it a confidence rating before breaking down what exactly we've been told.

Disclaimer: No matter the confidence level, there's always a chance product updates, features, and some or all details will be changed or cancelled altogether. As with all rumors, nothing is 100% until it's officially announced.

We do not have possession of any APKs we can distribute or unreleased devices, so please don't ask for them.

Confidence Level

This rumor gets a confidence level of 6.5 out of 10. Points are deducted simply because hardware plans can change very quickly, even when a prototype device already exists. We are confident that Shamu is a real device under active development, and fairly confident that it is a contender for the Nexus program, but are just slightly less confident about its specs, simply due to the information at our disposal.

The Rumor

The rumor this time is simple - according to information made available to us, Motorola is working on a device with Google code named Shamu. The device is supposed to be targeted at major US carriers, and unspecified carriers in other parts of the world, which would probably include the markets that currently have access to Nexus devices, though this detail is still unclear.

The phone is supposed to carry a sizable 5.9" display of unknown resolution, and - interestingly - a fingerprint sensor. It will also allegedly be targeted for a November release. The release time frame is - as always - not something to place bets on. It can change very quickly depending on a variety of factors.

The Evidence

Unfortunately, we don't have source images to share regarding Shamu. The source information provided to us is not something we feel comfortable sharing in its original form, and we are not fortunate enough to have even a placeholder render as we did with the Volantis tablet. That said, we feel confident in the information we were provided, and it isn't as though Shamu has been cut from whole cloth - the device has made at least one appearance in Google's issue tracker (thanks Mark for spotting the report). Here is the original issue. Below is a screenshot for posterity.

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While we aren't yet confident enough to say Shamu will definitely materialize as a Nexus phone this fall, we can make an educated assertion. Besides the fact that our information mentions Volantis and Shamu in tandem when referring to Android's L release, the device is currently running a Google-built kernel, something that is definitely not an established pattern for non-Nexus devices.

It is note-worthy that the person who submitted this issue did so from a Gmail email address, not from an official Google address, but the subset of individuals who would know about the device called Shamu and would go to necessary lengths to fake the information presented and have the issue accepted officially by Google staff is imperceptibly small.

Update: After further research, we've learned that the entity who reported the issue above was Spirent Communications, a company that essentially tests devices for errors just like this. Spirent also has a Play Store catalog containing some test apps.

There's also the fact that its codename is Shamu - Google's Nexus devices typically have codenames in reference to sea-faring critters, from tilapia to maguro (sushi tuna) to hammerhead.

Final Thoughts

Ultimately, we'll have to wait a few more months to find out if Google is really planning on launching two Nexus devices with Android L. But evidence seems to be mounting that we can expect a tablet, and with new information that Motorola might bring forth a (rather hefty) Nexus phone, it looks like the Nexus program might be perfectly healthy after all.

Liam Spradlin
Liam loves Android, design, user experience, and travel. He doesn't love ill-proportioned letter forms, advertisements made entirely of stock photography, and writing biographical snippets.

  • http://thegumshoe.com/ Michael Crider

    5.9" Nexus phone. That makes me a saaaaaaaad orca.

    • http://nopenopenope.nope Ryuuie

      No Nexus for you!

      I tell you what, how about you buy it, I'll buy one, and you give me yours. :D

      Seriously though, 5.9" or not, I need to replace my aging Nexus 4 soo...yep!

      • Dwayne Wilkinson

        I'm with you, I've always had carrier provided devices, all the bloat and extraordinarily long wait for OS upgrades has finally worn me down. I'm now out of contract so I'm looking at buying my first device outright. I don't care if it's got a 6" screen. Motorola is icing on the cake.

    • Razormike

      I was really hoping the next Nexus would be 4.7" to 5". Who knows, maybe there will be this "phablet" device, and a smaller phone version, to compete with the two different sized iPhones Apple are supposedly releasing.

      • PoisonApple31

        Nope, just Shamu.

      • Chazz Matthews

        Nexus smartphones never go smaller, they always go larger. Was always going to be larger than the 4.95" Nexus 5.

        And Google always just does ONE Nexus smartphone per year.

        • Justin Merithew

          Because companies never change their strategy? Google never released a developer preview before this year. Apple has never released two different sized iPhones, but it seems like it's very possible this year. If Google is going to make a bigger push for stock Android devices, two Nexus devices wouldn't be unreasonable.

          • Ray

            It was said at io, the reason for the nexus program at all is so that they can develop android on a singular piece of hardware. If they had two phones that would make it pointless.

          • Razormike

            They have two tablets.

          • Justin Merithew

            Not necessarily. If the specs are identical, including resolution, having two different screen sizes and probably a bigger battery in the larger model isn't unreasonable. It still allows them to use it as their reference device when programming, but also enables them to sell it to a wider audience. Companies are realizing that one size doesn't fit all.

    • ThatBabyAintMine

      Sexual harassment panda is here for you.

    • Rob

      Right? I have no need for a phone with a display larger than 5".

      • Anonymous

        Right? And global orbit of your solar plexus is mandatory.

        • morteum

          Right?

          • https://twitter.com/Caneschii Guilherme Caneschi

            Right? Right.

          • dextersgenius

            Right, Right? Right.

          • http://communityfirstdigital.co.uk/ Luke Arran

            Right?!?!

      • Matthew Merrick

        Well I have no use for a device as small as 5",so, for each their own

    • http://turbofool.com Jarrett Lennon Kaufman

      Same here, assuming there's no refresh to the Nexus 5 at the same time. I'm very much in favor of a Nexus phablet being available, but not as the ONLY Nexus phone. That would really hurt me, as I'm relatively sure I don't want a phablet.

    • Martim

      Well now they couldn't call it the Nexus 6 if it didn't have a 6" screen, could they?

      • ClickFire_

        Yes because the Nexus 1 had a 1 inch screen?

        • Dhaiwat

          Oh man here goes... Here's the short version: The device naming scheme was changed when the Nexus 7 came out. There is no such thing as an "S" or "Galaxy" sized screen. On the play store right now: "The best of Google, in three sizes." Referring to the screen sizes. Now I do mean to call you an idiot bit in this case...

          So following your logic that would mean the Nexus 7 was technically the 4th Nexus device.

          The Nexus 4 was coincidentally named "4" considering it was 4th nexus PHONE I can understand the confusion.

          No they went by screen sizes :Nexus 4(4.7in), Nexus 5(4.95), Nexus 7(7.02in).

          That would mean when they get to the 7th phone they would have to screw up the naming system and call it Nexus 7 Tablet and Nexus 7 Phone. In that regard it would be completety idiotic as the Nexus 7 as been branded as a tablet from the beginning. People recognize it as a TABLET. Which is why the second generation Nexus 7 didn't become the Nexus 8. This is all just opinion but mostly fact and kind of following logic. No offense about calling you an idiot as you might have just not known.

          • Cael

            4.7 rounds to 5 any way you look at it. >0.5 round up. <0.5 round down.

            The tablets go by screen size. The phones have been going by # order.

            If there was a Nexus with a 5.25 inch screen and called the Nexus 6 then what?

          • Dhaiwat

            No I know what you mean when you bring in rounding numbers. I didn't think I'd have to explain this but here goes: they called it the Nexus 4 "4" because it wasn't as close to a 5in screen as the Nexus 5 which has 4.95. They can't call it the Nexus 4.7 or the Nexus 7.02. Now the fact he Nexus 5 was named "5" solidifies my reasoning in why it would be reletive to the whole number not the decimal. They didn't call the Nexus 10, Nexus 10.055. If they truly went the generation number route we will end up with a Nexus 7 Phone and Nexus 7 Tablet. That would create confusion. >>So please tell me why they would want to have two different naming schemes instead of just one that makes sense across all their devices?<< Again :"The best of Google, in three sizes." Sure they could be saying it's a size difference. But then tell me why the Nexus 5 wasn't just called the Nexus 4(2013)? Because it was close enough to call it a nexus 5 as the screen size was basically 5'. The screen size jump from 4.7 to 5 in quite noticeable. If they release a Nexus 6 with a 5.25' in screen then that would break the naming system. Why didn't the second gen. Nexus 7 become the Nexus 8? Not using version numbers on tablets yet on phones in this case wouldn't make much sense. As far as they have branded it, it has been relative to the screen size.

          • Cael

            "they called it the Nexus 4 "4" because it wasn't as close to a 5in screen as the Nexus 5 which has 4.95."

            If they called it the Optimus Nexus or the Nexus G? Who says they knew they would pick the next nexus to have a 4.95 when they named the Nexus 4? All of that is speculative. Just like how we assumed they were gonna call 4.4 Key Lime Pie but they switched it up and called it KitKat.

            "They can't call it the Nexus 4.7 or the Nexus 7.02."

            They could if they wanted to. Just like how people said Google would never pick a registered candy for a version OS.

            "Now the fact he Nexus 5 was named "5" solidifies my reasoning in why it would be reletive to the whole number not the decimal. They didn't call the Nexus 10, Nexus 10.055."

            Or it could have been named the Nexus 5 because it was the 5th Nexus phone.

            "If they truly went the generation number route we will end up with a Nexus 7 Phone and Nexus 7 Tablet. That would create confusion."

            We have 2 different Nexus 7 tablets. The only difference is given by year (2012) and (2013). If people can tell the difference by year what makes them not able to tell the difference when Google clearly states Nexus 7 (Phone) and Nexus 7 (tablet)? What about the HTC One?. HTC One (2013) / HTC One (M8)

            Isn't that confusing enough? So why can't there be a Nexus 7 (phone) and Nexus 7 (tablet)?

            " >>So please tell me why they would want to have two different naming schemes instead of just one that makes sense across all their devices?<<"

            IDK ask them why they did HTC One (2013) & HTC One (M8) + Nexus 7 (2012) & Nexus 7 (2013).

            "Again :"The best of Google, in three sizes." Sure they could be saying it's a size difference."

            The Nexus 5, 7, and 10 are 3 different sizes. This is obvious and means nothing. They could have had the Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, and Nexus 10 on display and they would still be in 3 different sizes.

            "But then tell me why the Nexus 5 wasn't just called the Nexus 4(2013)? Because it was close enough to call it a nexus 5 as the screen size was basically 5'. The screen size jump from 4.7 to 5 in quite noticeable."

            Because it wasn't a refresh. They set out to make a /different/ phone. They didn't come out with an 8 inch tablet and call it a Nexus 7 because that wouldn't be a refresh that would be making a different tablet.

            "If they release a Nexus 6 with a 5.25' in screen then that would break the naming system."

            It wouldn't because 1) Google never officially stated how they name the Nexus's. They could release a 4.5 inch screen phone and call it the Nexus 6 and it would make sense because it would be the _6th_ Nexus phone.

            "Why didn't the second gen. Nexus 7 become the Nexus 8?"

            Because it was an obvious refresh.

            "Not using version numbers on tablets yet on phones in this case wouldn't make much sense. As far as they have branded it, it has been relative to the screen size."

            No as far as they have branded tablets it has been to screen size. Which is why NO ONE can agree on if the next Nexus will be a Nexus 8 or Nexus 9 because you know why? If the next Nexus tablet is 8.9...8 POINTS FREAKING _NINE_ why would they call it the Nexus 8? Based on your logic they should call it the Nexus 9 because its SOOOO close to 9 inches instead of 8 so why is everyone still calling it the Nexus 8?

            Edit: Also Google could take the Nexus 7 (2013) off the play store when they release the Nexus 8/9. Then it wouldn't be listed anymore. So there wouldn't be any obvious confusion if they released a Nexus 7 phone in 2015 if there isn't a Nexus 7 tablet anywhere.

          • Dhaiwat

            >>All very valid points but I disagree on a few and yes of course it's speculation but thanks for bringing a fresh perspective!!!<< I'm not sure if I stated this but its opinion not completely fact but in some cases logically a fact if the pattern was correct. Yes if the N7 ceases to exist it would make sense at that point. But I don't agree on why they would call them n7 tab and phone but hey I see why it might be though.

          • Idle Time

            Even if they originally named the Nexuses (4 and 7) due to their respective sizes, it doesn't mean that they will continue to name future nexuses in accordance to the screen sizes (even if they continue to use numbers in the names). They can alter the rule and thinking whenever and however they deem fit, especially when the rule was never explicitly spelt out.

          • Dhaiwat

            Yeah totally agree that anything is possible
            ,again a formulated opinion but being Google they delightfully deliver surprises. But in the end no matter the name, the product is what we all hope is truly awesome.

          • Charles

            It's a 5.9" display.
            5 + 9 = 14
            4 - 1 = 3
            --> Half-Life 3 confirmed.

            Hang on, that's a different company :p

          • Daniel Orchard

            Forgetting about the Nexus S guys?

            They can make and break, follow or leave the naming convention whenever it makes marketing sense to do so.

            The new phone could be called the Nexus X for all we know (if its based on Moto Hardware)

            In any case, I dont care what its called - I want one based on what I have read!

          • Chazz Matthews

            Here's the real short version. Google has never NEVER named the smartphones after screen size. 3 of 5 times however, they have named them after the generation. Google seems to prefer that.

            Nomenclature for the Nexus smartphones are different from the Nexus tablets. That's not hard to understand.

            gen1 HTC One, 3.5"
            gen2 Samsung Nexus S, 4.0"
            gen3 Samsung Galaxy Nexus, 4.65"
            gen4 LG Nexus 4, 4.7"
            gen5 LG Nexus 5, 4.95"
            gen6 Nexus 6, probably 5.0" - 5.3"

          • Dhaiwat

            Alright Chazz. Whatever you say... I guess we'll wait and see what happens. Good job we're both probably gonna buy one anyways lol. Well if it's a giant phone I probably won't.

            But it's an opinion, you know just like yours if nothing is solid then it's just fine to speculate as it would make more sense to have a universal nomenclature system rather than two different ones. So I guess hands off to you I guess you "won" so if that's what you were looking for there you go! Have a nice day!

          • Joshua Hill

            Sore loser! Your original post came across as you being some sort of authority on a topic that Google has no official public stance on and has never commented about publicly. Yet you put yourself out there as some expert explaining things to people and then cry when others have a different opinion. Very mature of you.

          • Dhaiwat

            Alright as you say. Again as I've said in the other articles it was my opinion. I've never claimed to be an expert as well lol. I was crying? no I was happy that someone brought some perspective that might enlighten me of what other alternatives could be. I was strongly convinced that I was right. I love to be corrected because it lets me know of other possibilities and ideas. I may have been harsh in commenting though and the possible naming scheme I described could've been wrong too. I will admit that. Like I said I'm no expert and haven't claimed to be.

          • KojiroAK

            HTC One was 3.7" not 3.5"

          • Ankur

            How does that matter?

          • http://css3.bradshawenterprises.com/ Richard Bradshaw

            I'm surprised that Samsung haven't made a phone with a galaxy sized screen - when the Note first came out it looked like that would be possible by now if you extrapolated the curve.

        • Peter ‘Firefox’ Fox

          there wasn't a Nexus 1, there was a Nexus One, as in it was made by HTC and was apart of their "One" range. They typically always name on screen size and generation. Some might consider if they make the screen close enough to 6" they'll do it anyways, although I think it's a bad move because having the numbers like 5/7/10 spaced out makes them more clear on the form factor, if you said 6/7/9 then probably be confusing between the 6 and 7

          • Dhaiwat

            Also someone from another post agreed with me on the same issue because it was in the marketing material apparently that the naming scheme had undead changed to what I just described. I didn't want to bother arguing with the person. Because from a marketing perspective Google has imprinted the Nexus brand in this fasion. The numbers have designated the relative size. Sure the math didn't exactly do any justice in terms of rounding up numbers.

          • Joshua Hill

            If this is officially in Google's marketing material would you care to provide a link. This would be news to a lot of people and actually contribute to the discussion instead of waving our d*cks around and having a cry when people disagree with you.

          • Dpat

            I posted a response in another post. I do see your perspective on having evidence. As for the mythical materials the other guy was talking about you have a very valid point, but but there is no need for the swearing. I don't mind disagreements by the way. I like them so I can learn the other person's idea. Yes, I might have been a bit aggressive above. Also when I wrote that comment I put "apparently" in the sentence because it could or could have not been true.

          • Joshua Hill

            Thank you for the clarification. I am sorry if the phrase 'waving our d*cks around' has offended you. I believe we and a number of others were doing exactly this but I might just as well have said 'throwing our weight around' although then I'd probably be accused of being obesist.

          • Dpat

            Alright sounds good. Glad I got this misunderstanding cleared. I wasn't exactly offended but rather felt like it was an attack towards me because of the multi-post commenting, but you're all good. I guess you might have gotten frustrated when you didn't find any "marketing material" as would I.

          • Joshua Hill

            I was frustrated and it was a little personal to, sorry. What really rubs me the wrong way and makes me behave inappropriately too is when google fanbois stick their head in the sand and insist that their opinion is basically gospel from the church of Google.

          • Dpat

            I am a fan but not a fanboy lol. I probably wouldn't like using other services or mobile OS as I've settled into Android now and I'm used to it except for skydrive(windows integration). Personal computer wise, I'm OS agnostic as long as it does what I need. Usually for my graphic design and coding/building needs I use OSX/Windows and every now and then Ubuntu or chromeOS for casual stuff. I guess I might have been insisting a bit, but just wanted my opinion heard lol.

            Anyways if its not too much to ask could you clean up the other comments I don't want other people tagging on otherwise I'll get messy for me to keep explaining what I meant. Thanks

        • https://www.youtube.com/user/LowLightVideos Rob C

          Thus, the Nexus X will have no Screen; but connect directly with your mind ...

          Source: The Hexacopter: http://lab-rats.wikia.com/wiki/Hexacopter

          http://youtu.be/B3EzAjdZwuA?t=20m55s

      • Rook HD

        call it Nexus 6th. Problem solved.

    • ClickFire_

      I think their will be 2 models a 5 inch and a 5.9 inch.

    • HoboJerk

      I actually really like the bigger sizes...

      • czr

        Cant beleive nobody has done this but here it is. "Thats what she said!"

    • Shamu

      Perhaps we will get even smaller bezels than the G3 to help keep the phone somewhat compact.

    • Groud Frank

      Stop being silly. This is one more option for the sizeable number of people who would never even think of getting a Nexus because of the 5" screen. If you want a company with a one size fits all philosophy then try Apple. You sound just like iBoy.

      • RarestName

        So much for choice for Nexus devices, right? Right?

        /s

        You're the one who's sounding like an iBoy.

    • senor_heisenberg

      5.5" is my max display size on a phone, but if it's the only Nexus phone, then I'd deal with it.

  • SyncV2

    oh god no.

  • Andrew

    5.9? Please, no!

  • http://twitter.com/Rodrigost23 Rodrigo Tavares

    I miss good 4" phones

    • vyktorsouza

      I miss 4.7" tbh

    • thartist

      Oh come on, make it 4.3 or 4.5 with on screen keys like the Moto G and we have a reasonable deal, even at 4.7 like the Moto X, they are quite compact and very comfortable for one handed use I'll tell you.

      • http://twitter.com/Rodrigost23 Rodrigo Tavares

        I have a Moto G actually, and it'd probably be more comfortable if it had a smaller bottom border. =
        I've used a Moto X and I'd prefer if the screen was smaller. I'd rather be able to reach the whole screen with my thumb than have a huge screen.

    • Ibrahim Yusuf

      Then buy a 4" phone

      • RarestName

        There are no good flagship 4" Android phones.

        • Matthew Merrick

          Z1 compact

          • RarestName

            That's 4.3". Yes, it's a huge difference to some people.

          • Joshua Hill

            It's the only sub 5" flagship
            Take it or leave it but at least Sony are attempting to cater to that segment of the market. If you don't support them with your wallet don't expect other manufacturers to start making small flagships.

        • Ibrahim Yusuf

          there is one I just got one with a 4.3" display, snapdragon 800, 2GB memory and 20.7 MP camera.
          it's the xperia Z1 compact

  • Garrett

    I'd be fine with 5.9 as long as they use some of that device space for a massive battery. It's the only reason I prefer my Note 3 over my Nexus 5. :/

    • De5str0yer.

      Seriously.

  • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

    Well, this is definitely one Nexus device I would NOT ever consider as a possible purchase

  • Aayush Singhal

    so here comes the chinese treatment to motorola from its parent company lenovo , but google? nexus?? i am sad too

    • http://AndroidPolice.com/ Liam Spradlin

      The deal with Lenovo still isn't complete yet, so I don't think Lenovo could take part in the development of a phone that's aiming for a November 2014 release.

    • PoisonApple31

      Lenovo has nothing to do with Motorola yet. Most Motorola employees don't even know what will happen with Lenovo yet.

  • http://si97.com/ Saif

    5.9", Yes! 3500 mAh or bigger battery too, please.

    • Stoffers

      Make it a CM thick and give a 10k mah.

      • PhilNelwyn
  • Rob Earls

    Google do own gmail, you know. A quick search for emails to:androidpolice mentioning shamu ordered by date will reveal the source.

    • mark01

      well, it's me who spotted the shamu build on issue tracker and i didn't use my gmail to send the tip to AP. So may happen people own mails other then gmail. Oh btw, i'm glad this made into homepage, thanks ;).

  • Thomas

    Where's the APK download to the phone?

  • gmaninvan

    Omg stop at 5.this is getting ridiculous. Bigger does not equal better when it reaches the point where it is awkward even in larger hands

    • Guest

      That's not what she said

      • gmaninvan

        Nicely done lol. Can't believe I didn't think of that.

  • Alcnaeon

    Am I the only one here who would be excited for a nexus phone with a big screen? I didn't expect to see so much negativity in the comments.

    • http://nopenopenope.nope Ryuuie

      Nope! I'm definitely excited! Even if it's not 5.9", I suspect it MIGHT be a 64-bit device considering how much Google talked about Intel and Nvidia's 64-but processors.

      • Dhaiwat

        Is the Snapdragon 810 going into production by the time L comes with the new devices? I've have too many bad experiences with Tegra devices except the Nexus 7 (2012) w/f2fs. Everyone in my house now runs Android devices with minimal skins/Snapdragon under the hood, except one of sisters(iPhone). HTC M7(CyanogenMod),Moto X, N5(L),N4(4.4.4/L). All of which have smooth experiences, all are fast and fluid.

        • http://nopenopenope.nope Ryuuie

          I'm REALLY hoping they won't do a Tegra K1 Nexus phone. They talked of Intel's 64-bit a lot more than Qualcomm's so we might just get an Intel x64 processor. THAT would be cool as hell.

          • Dhaiwat

            But Qualcomm seems light years ahead of Intel in ARM processor technology imo

          • http://nopenopenope.nope Ryuuie

            Intel's got battery down pat, from what I've heard and they're a lot better than ARM. We'll have to see.

    • Nightfall

      My Nexus 5 is difficult enough to hold as is. I'm not liking this trend at all...

    • EowynCarter

      Nah, I would love a 6" nexus. Though I understand why some would like smaller phones.

  • hyperbolic

    I think my N5 has a normal screen size, meaning a 5.5" screen display is big but 5.9" is really big. perhaps too big imo.

  • WORPspeed

    Excited about new nexus, not sure I like the screensize. If true definitely going to be called nexus 6 :P

  • Shamu

    My username requires I buy this!

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      Annoyingly, your username on our site came up a lot in my research. Damn you, Shamu!

    • http://about.me/barrae Maximiliano Barra E.

      It's your time to shine.

    • qwertyx7

      First post around 4 years ago - checks out! :P

  • John Sparakov

    Whale-sized phone indeed.

  • AbbyZFresh

    I'm tired of rumors. I want official information.

  • hehe

    shamu.. lol.. sounds so indian :P

    • AbbyZFresh

      Welcome to the tech industry. There's plenty of them around. Esepcially at Microsoft. lol.

  • vyktorsouza

    6 inches??? looks like I'll be keeping my Nexus 5 for a while

  • Chris

    I don't get what all the hate is with big screens and larger resolutions. Everybody is always complaint about bigger and more, it comes, and then they grow to love it. Then they complain more. Let's all start a complaining circle jerk!

    I like the screen size and resolution of the S3 personally. Variety is a good thing. Anyway. Like 5" and 1080p? Then don't upgrade. Jeep your last years model and stop complaining.

    • vyktorsouza

      because that's unnecessary, ridiculous and unconfortable
      bigger isn't always better, there's a limit, and 5.9" crossed it
      I blame it on Samsung

      • ins0mn1a

        you mean it's unnecessary to you. I use my phone a lot for reading: web, pocket, evernote, kindle, pdfs, epubs, whatever. and with android wear there will be no need to pull out a giant phone for small tasks like time, weather, notifications. I am absolutely thrilled by he news of a 6" nexus. there is a giant pile of 4-5" phones to choose from, some of them from motorola, I.e. as close to nexus as one can be. I think it's a good thing that nexus program starts including non-standard form factors. mainstream is very well covered already.

      • Stoffers

        I for one would definitely get this if it came out. 5.9 would be awesome.

    • RarestName

      Years back there was a choice for different kinds of sizes of phones with the best performances. Don't upgrade and keep a much slower and inferior device? So much for choice. I don't like this kind of hypocritical apologist attitude.

      • Stoffers

        Don't get a Nexus?

        • RarestName

          That's what I did. I got a Moto G over a Nexus 5 and the overall size (note, not screen size) was one of the factors which led to my decision.

  • diotallevisheir

    Well, that's the first reason for me why this year should be Nexus' last year: Judging from Google's obvious naming consistency we would have to be talking about a 7" Nexus phone in 2015.

  • Ryan Callihan

    Codename: Shamu because that will be a whale of a phone. Good lord! Anything 5.5" and over is overkill imo. Do people actually want phones this large? Id love to see some research on that.

    • Stoffers

      I would love a phone this large, I want a tablet but don't think it's worth the expense, a proper phablet would be awesome.

    • shadlom

      I want one that large. That way i won't have to get a note 4 like i planned.

    • derp hurr-durr

      Research?

      Please refer to the sales of the Note series.

      K. Thanks.

  • selonmoi

    Ugh. Too big for me.

    Not that they shouldn't make it, but I hope they don't leave us in the lurch. It's just about time for me to replace my Nexus 4. I'd be super-happy with a minor update on the Nexus 5.

  • Stuart Anderson

    I had a Galaxy Nexus and a Nexus 4 and run a Nexus 5 right now. I absolutely will not purchase a 5.9" phone unless it is literally smaller in every dimension than the N5.

    • David

      Curious fact: the Nexus 5" is approximately 5.9 inches in diagonal, discarding the slightly curved protuberances on the top and bottom.

      • atrouma

        Exactly 4"95
        Get your facts straight

        • Richard Gao

          smh, he was talking about the actual size of the phone, not just the screen

        • Stoffers

          What the fuck does 4"95 even mean? Maybe you meant to say the screen is 4.95" diagonally?

        • ClickFire_

          Overall size of the device is what matters not the screen that's his point.

        • derp hurr-durr

          a'ight....back into your pen!

          (How do they keep getting out?!?!)

        • David

          OMG!!! 4.95"?!?!? You don't say!!!!

        • David

          My facts are straight. Your reading comprehension and your attitude, not so much.

          As obvious as it should have been to anyone, I was talking about the diagonal of the phone, not its screen. I humorously joked about fitting a 5.9" screen (of the N6) inside the physical envelope (5.9") of the N5.

          "Diagonal" does not imply "screen".

  • cy_n_ic

    I would be interested in results of a survey concerning a nexus phone that size. Pretty sure i want one none the less.

  • OneToRuleThemAll

    Nexus 6 from Motorola! Bring it on baby!

  • Vicknesh Shanmugam

    >Nexus 6?

    • Kaemo

      Since the release of the Nexus 5 I've been trying to educate people on the Nexus tablet and phone naming paradigm, stating that a Nexus 6 would be ridiculous, because it would have to have a 6' screen.

      Well, fuck that. I give up.

      • shadlom

        Except the naming of the phones has nothing to do with screen size.

        • derp hurr-durr

          *LAUGHING*

          Oh Gawd , I *love* watching this argument.

          Please - let's do it all over again!

  • kekkojoker90

    Kernel 3.10! This is the best news here :D

    • Dee Norbert

      Why?Explain please.

      • xmattjus

        Because speaking of performances/battery life/everything on a x86 PC, from 3.4 to 3.10 there were soooo many improvements.. The ideal would be to use the latest Linux Kernel (3.16 as of today), but that would require too much work.

        • Ricardo

          kernel 3.16 is unlikely to be used in android. Next in line is kernel 3.14 (which is the new long term kernel)

          • xmattjus

            Yup.. Probably we will se the 3.14 kernel in Android 8! lol

      • Ricardo

        What stands out to me as improvements between 3.4 and 3.10 are:
        -Opportunistic suspend (wakelocks 2.0 so to speak), merged in kernel 3.5 though probably backported to 3.4.
        -AArch64 support, merged in kernel 3.7.
        -Native support for f2fs (which motorola backported to 3.4), merged in kernel 3.8 and improved subsequently.
        -The intel powerclamp driver, merged in kernel 3.9.
        -the intel p-state driver to replace the cpufreq driver was introduced in kernel 3.9.
        -Initial timerless multitasking support, merged in kernel 3.10.
        -Arm big.LITTLE support, merged in kernel 3.10.

  • Will Harper

    Been going back and forth for 6 months on whether to wait for the Nexus tablet or forget the tablet altogether and go for a phablet. I read an article recently that more people are using their phones for tablet-like duty anyway. Especially as screen sizes have increased. I'm glad to hear that a Nexus whale may be available soon.

  • Mihkel Tiidus

    Shamu the mysterious whale

  • morteum

    I was all upset until I remembered I'm on Verizon and it doesn't fucking matter anyway.

    • PoisonApple31

      Perhaps you'll be pleasantly surprised this time.

  • Nightfall

    No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What the hell! Is this a phone for giants?!

  • moehre

    Nexus 6 anyone...

  • ClickFire_

    Google could release 2 Nexus Phones. Samsung has 2 flagships and soon Apple will too so I would Like to see 2 Nexus Phone sizes.

    I doubt Google would release a 5.9 Nexus phone by itself.

  • DJ SPY

    The guy over at TK Tech News has video/photos of a huge Motorola device running Android L. There's shots of it side by side to a Nexus 5 and it dwarfs the Nexus 5.

    • hgfgf

      Just checked and.. you're dreaming.

      The device close to the nexus 5 is way bigger but it's screen is SMALLER than the nexus 5 by a bit. I'd bet in a 4.85-4.9 screen on that device. The reviewer guy says the screen is like an inch bigger when the screen is clearly smaller than the nexus 5 one lol

  • jnt

    I love how you guys elaborate on the "why" behind your confidence level, your sources, etc... instead of letting the hypebeast completely takeover. It's very refreshing.

  • Patrick Smithopolis

    I'll be extremely disappointed if the next Nexus is above 5.0". We needed to start a downward trend now.

  • Jesse

    Phone/screen size preference weekend poll?

  • angel_spain

    3.10 kernel !!!!!

    • Sebastian Jena

      LOL You actually found better news than this so-fuckin-huge Nexus.

  • Retsu Unohana

    Would LOVE one that size. I love Note phones!

  • B3DX

    Motorola Shamu?

    • camera531

      Wow, is that the actual Nexus 6? How are people supposed to use it with that whale sticking out of the screen. Bad design decision...

  • http://steamcommunity.com/id/metallinatus Metallinatus

    I decided that I would finally upgrade from my GNex this year, and a Motorola Nexus is all I wanted now....

    • PoisonApple31

      You still have that POS? God Bless you!

      • dude

        It was a good phone for its time imo.

  • Simps

    My Nexus 5 is perfect for me personally size wise. Wouldn't want a bigger phone in my pocket.

  • Austin

    Motorola prefers AMOLED screens. A nexus with an AMOLED! That'd be Awesome!

    Also, I wonder if this will be sold at SeaWorld?

    • grumpyfuzz

      there was 3 nexuses with amoled, nexus one, nexus s, and galaxy nexus.

      • Austin

        Well there hasn't been 1 since the Gnex. I think another one would be great.

    • dude

      If sold at SeaWorld I will boycott it Nexus forever.

      I think most people have an thing against AMOLED, but if tuned correctly and if it have RGB matrix, I don't see why it can't have accurate colors and look good. I would welcome it, if they can utilize it to make some features like Moto X Touchless Control.

  • pie_server

    Didn't one of the AP writers say he's "seen things", and that he can confirm there would be no new Nexus phone..?

    • dude

      Yeah well why isn't he telling us about it?

  • dude

    Well the Note 3 and OnePlus seems to be the typical size now. I guess if Motorola can make it with slim bezel and since Nexus/Moto are on screen button, it won't be any larger then the OnePlus I suspect, which is still to much. Maybe it's part of the Android Silver program.

    I think the name relation to Sea World put a bad taste in my mouth though.

  • jamaall

    I don't see the need for Motorola to make a nexus phone. Their software is already as close to stock android you can get, they've just added on some extremely useful things. If you're buying a Motorola product, you actually want their add ons, unlike every other major phone maker. To get this over a moto x+1 wouldn't make sense to me, unless you want an over sized Motorola phone.

    • MeCampbell30

      Google isn't choosing nexus partners based on who has the most dissimilar skin. The existing lineup has nothing g to do with nexus device selection. It is simply the reference device for all phones running android L.

      • jamaall

        I realize that. Just my two cents

    • Richard Sullivant

      Just to clarify, Moto ROMs are actually incredibly different than pure AOSP ROMs under the hood. Particularly when it comes to the code behind the notification bar, despite their userfacing likeness. Just ask any Xposed dev that codes for AOSP devices and the gross compatibility issues that come from Moto X/G/E users.

      • jamaall

        That's not the point I was making. The user end result is near the same, with some good additions. I'm sure a lot is different in the back end, but we wouldn't notice. Of course a nexus device would get instant updates to android, but Motorola has been very good about it anyway.

  • Andrzej Tunkiel

    Nexus 5 full face is 6.07in diagonal. Therefore they could fit 5.9in screen in the same form factor.

    • e2

      Hell No

    • dude

      Physically not possible with current technology, there would not even be space to put the sensor and earpiece. But by some great feat they could make something with very small bezel like the G2.

  • ikeofkc

    i was hoping after the Nexus 5 they'd revisit the nexus 4 and make it smaller like 4.5 and use small bezels like the nexus 5. it's annoying that the 5 and 4 are actually like the same size in hand. I really think they should always release the 4&10 updates together and the 5&7 models together. That way each release is tested with tablet and phone modes and anybody who prefers a certain size will never have a device older than 2 releases back if they don't want. This is assuming that nobody really needs a 5.9.... that shit should be specialty for basketball players or something.

  • Johny M

    A 6" Motorola Nexus! That battery will be bigger than Pamela Anderson's BooBs.
    Me likey very much.

    • Joshua Hill

      Yeah, because the batteries in Nexus devices are always big, not just below the average and inadequate!

      • Johny M

        In thinking more in lines of droid maxxx. Motorola has a good history with decent batteries

        • Joshua Hill

          The G2 had a good battery too but the Nexus 5 didn't.

          I don't want a 5.9" phone but if they make a smaller phone with better battery life than previous Nexus' I may finally purchase one. I hope you're right but based on past experience I doubt it.

    • dude

      Must be some type of high tech augmented battery.

  • http://www.thinkingbrian.com/ ThinkingBrian

    The only way I see this rumor to be true is if Google was launching two Nexus phones in late October, early November like the RUMORS of Apple launching of two iPhones one being a phablet. Otherwise I don't see Google launching just a 5.9" Nexus Smartphone and nothing else as many Android users that buy Nexus Smartphones seem to want 4.7 to 5" inch screen sized Smartphones. But personally I wouldn't mind seeing a 5.9" Nexus Smartphone.

    • Trysta

      I hope you are right. 5.9" leaps past even the Note series (doesn't it?) so hopefully this is a really awesome phablet offering but we can also have a normal sized flagship too. I've got nothing against a good phablet and a discount one from Google might even make me give them a try but I still need a regular sized phone for daily use. And based on the comments to this post I'm not alone.

  • aholsteinson

    Ugh, I think 5.9" for a phone is excessive, I doubt this spec is accurate and that we will get something in the 4.7 to 5" range instead.

  • Chris

    omggggggg I love huge screens and I love stock android! Plz google...plz

  • rony

    please stop with this size up madness finally !!!

  • Stanley C.

    "Nexus with 5,9 screen"...

  • aaron cooper

    I want....

  • ehTuBrutus

    Let's hope its round!

  • abobobilly
  • Nathan J

    A Moto neXus makes sense (had to do that) but the size creep is getting old. Unless Google want to leap ahead and give Android a windowing UI and start emphasizing a landscape orientation for holding and use. It just makes no sense to keep getting bigger and bigger.

    And the kicker? Nexus means no memory card slot, and 16GB just doesn't cut it for something that is poised to be great for media. Not considering the OS takes up about a third and maybe you want a couple games as well. Unless Google can bust up data caps and get more towers built, I don't see a device that needs to stream all its media doing so well.

  • flosserelli

    5.9" screen? "Shamu" is appropriate.

    • dude

      As long as its not imprisoned against its will.

  • neil

    Is this the NEW NEXUS! I am fed up with all of Android hardware madness. I was looking for an upgrade to my Nexus 5 to get a premium new Nexus phone with premium build and internals. Now this craziness is stupid. Google is forcing me to get iPhone 6 especially after they opened iOS 8 to let apps interact with each other.

    • Patrick Smithopolis

      I really don't want to go the iPhone route but if Android phones keep getting bigger I may seriously consider it.

      • Humberto Hernandez

        What if i told you, you don't have to have the lastest nexus (or any android phone) that comes out?

        • Patrick Smithopolis

          Why do you think I said I would seriously consider the iPhone?

          • Humberto Hernandez

            You considering an iPhone means you dont like android, not a nexus phone.

            I have the nexus 5, and i dont fell like changing it for at least 2 years.

          • Patrick Smithopolis

            I have no problem using iOS. I just like Android better.

          • Kenny Strawn
      • dude

        Hope you realize iPhone is getting bigger too. Just because that new iPhone is 4.7", it also have a huge bezel. See: HTC One.

        • Patrick Smithopolis

          I don't mind a 4.7" to 5" screen. Anything over that is excessive and only appeals to a niche group.

          • dude

            You will be wise to look forward to the Moto X+1. Sony also have their Z Compact devices.

          • ClickFire_

            Wait for moto x2(+1) 5.2 inches minimal bezel 13mp camera 1080p screen

          • Alf

            100% agree Gief 4,7" pls

      • ClickFire_

        Xperia Mini, HTC One M8 Mini, LG G3 mini, Galaxy S5 Mini, Nexus 5. All these devices are more than capable of being a daily driver .

        What is considered flagship specs today will eventually be mid range specs a year from now. Smart phones are coming to the point where specs are becoming overkill.

    • Indifox

      lawl.shut up mate.

  • Erik Knudsen

    Yes please.

  • master94

    I really hope Moto would stop sucking in camera. If it does I cant wait to buy one of their phones again

    • whispy_snippet

      Android cameras are about to seriously improve with the new camera API. I've got very high hopes Google is about to take the fight to Apple and Microsoft in mobile photography... and win.

    • dude

      I have pretty high hope for the Moto X+1 camera, it will have that antiglare dual flash and hardware OIS. Hope it will at least be on par with the Sony Exmor 214 from Find 7 and G3.

  • whispy_snippet

    A Nexus phone with a 5.9 inch display would make the Nexus 7 completely redundant. I just can't see this happening. There's a snow flake's chance in hell I'll buy a phone with a 5.9 inch display. My Nexus 5 is already at the top of the acceptable display size limit. Any larger and gtfo.

    • dude

      Perhaps it is an Android Silver program where there will be multiple Nexus like phones from different manufacturers.

      • whispy_snippet

        Perhaps. That I could get on board with. There's nothing wrong with more options - I just don't want one very poor option.

  • tleaf100

    well it's about time,I was always of the opinion that this is what Google bought mltorola for,after the patents,was to design/build nexi devices,well since they have sold moto to lenovothey don't have long left to get a device out of moto before Lenovo take over or is this a bit of moto that Google are keeping?
    I have my doubts about HTC -volantis will be released,unless HTC have got some kind of different deal this time,I cannot saw what HTC would get out of being involved in a nexus again,the publicity for them is low,the chance of making a profit if sold at "normal" nexi prices,the opposite of what they need/want.
    if volantis was very successful it could wipe HTC out,forced to manufacture in numbers but not much profit, if any,why bother,big risk for no return.
    HTC need cash money,not more publicity,enough of the world has heard and buy HTC,but not enough to save them,so why do a nexi,infamous for not making firms profit.
    realy does not make sense to me.
    moto based nexi sounds more possible,but the name is an iffy one.
    sounds like a google blinder to me,i would be very careful about any info abkut shamu,look for another device,realy well hidden.

  • Dave

    It will definitely be released in November!

  • black

    AP, are you sure confidence is at 6.5 and not 6.32?

  • Brandon Franklin

    I think a 6.5 inch android phone will be the new "sweet spot" in a year or so people need to get over it... bigger is automatically better! Personally I don't see why at least one OEM hasn't stuck the phone interface on a tablet? Once everyone got used to the idea of not putting their phone in their pocket I'm sure they would love an 8-12 inch phone we nhave been programmed to think we need to be able to stick our phones in our pockets for convenience but I beg to differ and android will prove it!

    • david

      Don't understand the logic behind a phabket phone when just a couple inches more and you have a tablet. I still carry my phone in my pocket, answer to my ear ,no Bluetooth, and use my phone one handed. I own the nexus 5. That's the limit for me. What's with the argument that the majority likes phabkets. Sure, the note series does well but I beg to differ that represents the majority of what people want. If I was in the market for a new nexus phone and this "shamu" nexus phone came out I'd pass.

  • http://twitter.com/jdrch jdrch

    So it's a Galaxy Note 4 killer then? Hmmm

  • yeshu

    not sure I understand the logic of increasing phone sizes to accommodate higher resolution displays. 5.9 inches is overkill. Nexus 4 and the galaxy nexus were perfect, in my opinion. Love my Nexus 5, but also can't help but complain how big it feels in the hand.

    • pfmiller

      Yeah, the Galaxy Nexus was a perfect size. I love my Nexus 5, but it can be awkward in the hand at times. Any bigger would rule out single handed use entirely.

  • Sharath

    5.9 inch? OMG!
    I was hoping for 5.5 inch,even that is way too high.

  • PickAName

    GoogleMotorola, GooMot, GodMode.

  • jules

    Tried an 5,5 inch LG for a week, but returned it. The screen was easy to handle with one hand. But I do not want to carry a lady bag or always adjust wardrobe just for a phone. It is not mobile enough for me. So this Mexus would be even more too big. 5 inch max for me. (4,7 minimum).

  • JaiHoIndia

    Phablet + Wear = Phone + tablet + Wear. Simple.

  • XeLLaR

    Nice...Android L is based on Linux Kernel 3.10 :P

  • mateor

    Ah. And there it is. Too slow, OnePlus One. Had they been able to make the OPO available, I would already own it. But now I wait for this.

  • TDN

    If the screen size is accurate, I am going to have to opt for a G3 or Nexus 5, I am not in the market for a phablet.

    • Google_Is_The_Higgs_Boson

      Yeah, I'll keep my Nexus 5, if the 6 is 5.9"...

    • Alf

      Gief Moto X size pls :(

  • wierzbik

    Nexus hone with more than 5 inch display <3
    I'm waiting eagerly!

  • Nathan
  • Gorge

    It will be nice 4n ever from http://www.apkwar.com

  • Kenny Strawn

    Kind of interesting that they're using a whale as a code-name for a Nexus phone, when the last two ― Mako and Hammerhead ― were both sharks...

  • monkeybutts

    Love the name

  • Bob Hart

    I was hoping for an LG built Nexus 6 similar to the LG G3 with a Snapdragon 805 come November.
    I like my rooted and unlocked LG built Nexus 5 running the L preview

  • hipster

    A fingerprint sensor? Again? Will Google/Moto re-re-re-invent the bottom part again?

  • Binshad T P Haris

    6 inch nexus phone will b EPIC FAIL..!! I hope its below 5.5 inch..!

  • Drago

    Not really interested in a 6 inch Nexus phone. I find that the size of my Nexus 5 is perfect for me.

    That said, this is still an interesting development, if true. Nice find.

  • Daniel Collins

    A fingerprint sensor? GAHH… I hate fingerprint sensors…
    What does the (very likely) rumor that this phone is called Shamu have to do with the pure speculation that it will be HUGE and have a fingerprint sensor? Who said it would be made by Motorola?

  • Daniel Collins

    I really hope that this phone will be made by LG.

  • Merags

    um,

  • Merags
  • br_hermon

    D*#& it! If Moto makes a Nexus phone with a 5.9 inch screen... then they can shove it where the sun don't shine! Nexus or not. This phone screen size thing is getting absolutely absurd. I'm sick and tired of these moron manufacturers continuing to shove larger and larger phones down our throats. Quality, consumer choice sucks. Indeed there are smaller mid-specked phones. But I'm not going to sacrifice internals. I want top of the line internals / features with a comfortably sized screen. Period.

    I've had 3 nexus devices and the OG Droid (may as well been a Nexus device). I'm a long time fan and proponent for Nexus but if 5.9 inches is my only option, I'm looking elsewhere. Seriously disappointed...

  • reubonics

    Don't even bother without a Moro-SD Slot. I Play 419 CD's in my note 3 (not all daily).Bought Jet Audo AND LOVE IT!!!!!!!

  • jellr

    Ehm . i just zee the name shamu . that doesnt mean anything . it could be the tablet or anorher divice . we just dont know

  • Aaron C

    Please support band 12. I need better reception!

  • Đức Thành

    A gigantic nexus 7 phone tablet? It's again time for ASUS to shine! Behold, the brand new ASUS Nexus Fonepad 7!!

  • new_guy_around_here

    As said earlier, 5.9 is way too big. I think 4.9-5.2 is the sweet spot, for me at least.

    I'm hoping they don't skimp on the battery and camera like last time. I also hope they include OIS. That's something I loved about the Nexus 5.

    If Motorola ends up being Google's hardware partner for this Nexus device, I hope they do something those front facing speakers. I like the concept, but Motorola does a shitty job of executing it.