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Jul
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Android Wear has a lot of fine points, but there are a few things missing from the first round of devices. One of the more annoying shortcomings is the lack of a light sensor on the G Watch or the Gear Live. The Moto 360, however, will have a light sensor built in, according to Motorola's Cathay Bi.

In the TechCrunch video above, she clearly states there is an ambient light sensor in the 360 (at 1m 55s). Because Samsung and LG's watches don't have light sensors, you have to manually adjust the brightness each time the lighting changes (i.e. moving between indoors and outdoors). The Moto 360 will do it automatically. It's actually an important point – odd that no one has picked up on it.

The more we learn about the Moto 360, the more it seems like the first truly finished Wear device. The G Watch and Gear Live are like demos for the software. There's nothing amazing about them, but they're fine for seeing what this Android Wear thing is all about. Now if only we had some launch details for the Moto 360.

[Thanks, Curtis]

Ryan Whitwam
Ryan is a tech/science writer, skeptic, lover of all things electronic, and Android fan. In his spare time he reads golden-age sci-fi and sleeps, but rarely at the same time. His wife tolerates him as few would.

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  • BiggiePhat

    Not going to lie, just popped a chub.

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  • jj14x

    It is really tempting... But the logical thing to do would be to wait for at least Gen 2 (given that this is the first set of hardware for the first new device type)
    Let's see if logic holds out or will my usual impulse take over :-)

    • http://AndroidPolice.com/ Liam Spradlin

      "Wait?" I don't know the meaning of the word.

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      Couldn't see the image without clicking it because I'm on mobile, knew what it was anyway.

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  • Anthony Castanza

    I'd been considering giving up on the wait and just buying a G Watch. Nope. Not now.

    • efstajas

      would that actually make a difference though? Other watches that work with kinetic charging use waaaaaay less power than a smartwatch would.

    • cns2007

      Where was this article you speak of? Serious question.

    • mechapathy

      If I were Motorola I'd want that feature out there now, in a "look what we can do, seriously don't buy the other two," kind of way.

  • Microsoft tribe is full of los

    Battery life of a week or gtfo

    • Aleksey_US

      This is basically 1st Gen, GTFO and don't buy

    • ddpacino

      Might not be a week, but I'm expecting 3-5 days, and that will vary depending on usage. We have watch games now, smh.. Good enough for me, though.

      • blix247

        There is exactly zero chance of this. You'll be lucky to get a busy full day out of it. G watch can go longer than a day, but probably not two.

        • ddpacino

          You say this based on what exactly...? My statement is based off information from someone that actually used it. In addition, I think you and a few other underestimate what Moto has done in regards to battery life & processors.

          • ChrisM40

            I dont even care. I take my watch off every night anyway, the charging cradle is the ideal place to put it because it cant fall or get knocked off the table. As long as it lasts a full day, I couldn't care less how long it lasts.

          • blix247

            Right....

            So in this video demo of the Moto 360 done by Pocket now it burns 5% in 5 minutes of display on time (Look at 2:45 and 7:15):

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGNEgDGvFr4

            Remember the hardware is finalized, so we can't expect amazing battery gains, and to last 3 days you would need a lot more than 1% a minute burn of battery. Still think it will run 3 to 5 days between charges?

            Anyways who really needs 3 full days? If it lasts a full day of regular use that is good enough. You charge your phone every day so why not charge your watch too? Thats what I do with the G watch and its just fine.

          • gadgety

            Well spotted! I had missed that. Although I agree with you, most Android users are accustomed to charging their phones once a day, and adding the Moto360 to the charging chore isn't much of a burden. Specially when it's confirmed it's wireless. Although there a few scenarios where it could turn into a nuisance. Overall, though, I could live with charging once a day.

          • vzwuser76

            So, by your reasoning, the Moto 360 will have a 100 minute battery life. Depending on what I'm doing, I can run down a phone battery at 1% per minute, but that doesn't mean they have that short a battery life. And while I'm sure the hardware is finalized, I doubt the software is. And non optimized software could greatly affect battery life.

          • blix247

            Sure, the battery life will undoubtedly get better by launch. But do you believe there is any chance that Motorola will improve the battery enough to last 3 to 5 days? My LG G watch is usually at 40% or so at the end of a 12 - 14 hour day.

          • vzwuser76

            And that's bad? That's about what some phones get. The things to keep in mind here is, Bluetooth will have to always be on, that's a battery drain. And even though the screen is smaller, so is the battery. Unless they have either a huge advancement in battery tech, or limit the watches functionality, that's pretty much what we're going to be dealing with. I know some will say that old dumbphones had similar sized screens, but those also had larger batteries, and if you had a dumb phone with Bluetooth, you didn't get the usual 3-5 day battery life, more like 1-1 1/2 days.

            What I don't get is why you were saying that they'll be struggling to get a day of battery life, when you then say after a 12-14 hour day you have just under half the battery left. That's over a day of battery life.

          • PoisonApple31

            3-5 days is Tizen, not Android Wear! I hope we do get there some day though.

  • vyktorsouza

    "The G Watch and Gear Live are like demos for the software"
    DAMNN, I can feel the G Watch and Gear Live owners crying already :'D

    • Donatom3

      I bought my G Watch knowing I was going to buy the 360 whenever it came out. Then again I like watches.

      • kpjimmy

        Ditto. I have drank the proverbial kool-aid and jumped the pebble ship. I am Kickstarted and also got the Steel as well. I have the G Watch and knowing it's "beta" for lack of a better term, it does everything my pebble does RIGHT NOW. I mean, no buying additional apps or waiting on additional devs to build something from scratch. With watchfaces I feel are currently busting at the seems with devs waiting for the full watch face API, I can sense this is just the tip of the iceburg. Will I want the Moto360 when it comes out? Most likely yes! LOL

    • ddpacino

      I bought my Gear Live to give Wear a test run before I get the crowned jewel. I'm sure 90+% of the early adopters will either flip the older watch for the 360, or buy the 360 and just have two.

      • ChrisM40

        Nope. Not interested in the 360 unless it has something major the G watch doesnt have, and a light sensor isnt it.

        • ddpacino

          The G and Gear Live have something most people Don't want, even with regular watches..... a Square face. Thankfully, we all have options, unless one desires watchfaces of other shapes.

          • ChrisM40

            To my knowledge not many watches have a 'flat tyre' look about them either, like the 360 does.

            Plenty of watches are square or rectangular, including some of the most expensive ever made.

          • gadgety

            Rectangular can be made to look good. I hope someone does make one, but to me the current crop looks bad. If Samsung used their YOUM AMOLED on a rectangular watch it could look outstanding

          • Adil Tajgeer

            i think the idea of a circular (even with the cut at the bottom) touchscreen display is a lot of the novelty, coupled with the design looking much more watchlike and less tech gadget.

            that's a lot of what i'm chomping at the bit to get my hands on it, and i own a gear live. but i got it knowing i'd swap it for the 360 or just let it sit around like my pebble.

        • PoisonApple31

          The G-Watch is just fine, I am not going to pay another x hundred dollars to get the same limited software experience.

          • ChrisM40

            Quite right. I think both the price and the product are going to disappoint a lot of people.

  • bagoulou

    i can't get past that ugly bottom bezel

    yes i know what it's for but that just ruin it FOR ME

    • joser116

      Yup, they should have gone all out to get rid of it. Watches are, after all, before anything else, a fashion accessory.

      • ddpacino

        From those that have actually used it and touched it... Nothing but praise in the looks department.

        • ChrisM40

          People say that about a lot of things that I think are hideous monstrosities.

          • joser116

            A lot of things also look much better in person than in pictures.

          • ChrisM40

            And much worse.

          • joser116

            Oh yeah, like fast food.

        • joser116

          Yup, but we can agree that it would have been much better without that bottom bar. I know that it is hard on a technical level, but still.

          I have pressed Motorola to try to get rid of it in future updates.

          • gadgety

            That's an intriguing statement, how did you go about pressing Moto?

          • joser116

            LOL well not directly. I have frequently commented about the black bar on Moto 360 on Motorola's G+ posts. They are active listeners there, although I doubt it will have any effect.

          • gadgety

            Thanks for replying. I understood, even from the video above, that they had no choice. If you take a look at all the other smartwatches they have large bezels in comparison with the Moto360, it's just a requirement, apparently. The thin bezel is, in my opinion, part of the Moto360 looking so good, not only because it's circular. So they had to put the connectors somewhere. I agree with you, it would look even better without it, but I'd rather have it like this, than a larger bezel all around the screen, which would be the other option, based on currently available tech.

          • joser116

            No problem.

            Yeah, I would prefer a thin bezel over no bottom black bar. Hopefully in later versions they can put the drivers underneath without making the device thicker. I have read of new technologies that allow this.

          • miri

            Moto 360 is the only smartwatch without a thick bezel. Display driver had to go somewhere.

          • joser116

            Yup I know.

    • Wyvorn

      Same here. That's why I will wait for this to come out http://www.arrowsmartwatch.com/

      • gadgety

        It's a render. It's going to take a while, I guess. What sort of time frame are you expecting?

        • Wyvorn

          I think it will take a while too but I have no idea how long. I know nothing more than what is on the site.

          • MJ

            I can't even confirm it's going to use Android Wear or not...

      • royeiror

        That's a very nice watch, I hope it isn't vaporware.

      • joser116

        Or other Android Wear watches designed by Fossil.

        • gadgety

          I had a couple of Fossil designed and manufactured SonyEricsson MBW-150's, and my wife had the MBW-200. My first failed after about two years. It didn't help to get another one as the next one failed after one year. Apparently they all failed approximately two years from date of manufacture. The OLED screen wasn't immune to humidity in AIR (!), and even though I live in a reasonably dry climate they still gave up. These weren't cheap watches. Very poor engineering. So I'll be reluctant to get a Fossil made smartwatch.

          • joser116

            Well hopefully it's different this time.

          • gadgety

            I agree, let's hope so, but I'll let someone else be the Fossil smartwatch buyer first... I had planned on using that first MBW at least 4-5 years. Part of my lesson is smartwatches are going to be designed and engineered as consumables. I would expect allocating a $10 a month replacement budget, and expect changing after 2-3 years. Prices might go down if volumes skyrocket, and if there are a lot of manufacturers joining Android Wear.

          • joser116

            Its also not clear if Fossil will manufacture Android Wear watches (likely) or just be a design consultant.

          • gadgety

            The MBWs looked outstanding. Taking them apart I noticed they very skillfully had made them look round, while underneath, it was all rectangular.

      • Peter Blanco

        This truly seems too good to be true.

      • Adil Tajgeer

        oh god, how is that better looking? that watch is ugly as sin.

        the moto360 is almost vaporware right now.

        zing!

      • stang68

        The 360 is much nicer looking than that thing!

        In my opinion...of course.

    • Kurt Laws

      I'm not a huge fan of that bottom bezel, but I don't think it looks too bad. Plus, as is stated in the video, that's where the ambient light sensor is located. Looking at the device, there really isn't anywhere else you could put it.

      • bagoulou

        i'm not that much of a fan of the ambient light sensor i dont think it will be that usefull, i can seen my gear live in and outdoor at 3/5.
        i know that even without that sensor the bezel would still be there.

        But have would have prefer no bezel at all even if that would have mean no light sensor

    • Mario

      I can't get over it too. It looks so perfect. Then that bezel. I just don't know why they did not just incorporate the display connector into the band. They call it the 360 but it's really not a full circle. I would hate it if Apple came along and did the display "right". We would never hear the end of it from the iDiots.

  • akellar

    Auto-brightness at what battery cost?

    • Kurt Laws

      Not sure why that would cost any battery? If anything it would improve battery life because when you're indoors and don't need as bright of a screen, it can dim it automatically, thus saving some battery power.

      • shaboogen

        Or you know, just manage the brightness yourself? It's literally three swipes to do on Wear Mini Launcher.

        Kinetic charging would be the only differentiator that would make me interested over the G Watch I already own, and even then the whinging about charging the watch nightly makes no sense anyway, it's not like it's actually a problem.

  • ddpacino

    Hmm, I was wondering why my Gear Live wasn't able to adjust brightness automatically. Loving the 360 more and more each freaking day! CAN'T WAIT!!!

  • Thomas

    It's not really going to be bright enough to matter anyway? But neat I guess.

    • Brandon Miller

      We get it man, you aren't a fan of the Moto360. Did you really have 3 completely separate thoughts within 5 minutes that required 3 separate posts?

      • Thomas

        What? I posted once, either your browser must be malfunctioning or mine was and posted duplicates. I'm getting the 360 though so run along with your strawman argument, I merely don't think it'll really be that useful unless you can read the display in direct sunlight, which I doubt anybody will believe that it can.

        • Brandon Miller

          LOL WHOA... Yeah your name definitely changed now. I'm super confused right now. I'll definitely apologize for that. My bad man. Something weird going on. I'm going to place the blame squarely on Disqus.

          Wow, thanks a lot Disqus for making me look like a dumb ass lol

          • Thomas

            Fair enough :)

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  • ChrisM40

    Meh, its an over rated issue. I can see my G watch in strong day light and it doesn't blind me in the dark, so I don't see the problem.

    The only reason id regret not getting the 360 is if its at the same price point, and maybe not even then. If its higher, I wont regret not waiting one bit. I dislike the bottom bezel, and the apparent size.

    • miri

      Not just visibility but also battery life.

      • ChrisM40

        Not an issue for me. It's lasts a day easy, that's all it needs to.

  • lordmerovingian

    Hundreds of dollars for a toy so i don't have to fish/dig my phone out of my pocket. I'm good...

    • Blake

      A) Doesn't wear a watch
      B) Wears a shitty watch

      Which one are you?

      • Martin Cohen

        None of the above. I wear a perfectly adequate $30 Casio with analog hands (an essential for me), digital features that I never use (aside from showing the date), and a 10-year battery. Since I love to dance and find this watch a little thick, I also got a thin $10 Casio with analog hands and absolutely nothing else.

        And that's the way I am.

        • Brian

          You could have saved a lot of words and just said that you were B...

          • Mario

            lol...

          • Martin Cohen

            I could have, but then I would be lying.

      • lordmerovingian

        The one who's not paying hundreds of dollars for a toy so i don't have to fish/dig my phone out of my pocket.

  • Merri Mogridge

    Adaptive auto-brightness adjustable from the companion app would be very handy!

  • ProductFRED

    And just like that, Gear Live and G Watch owners began to regret their purchases.

  • gadgety

    " it seems like the first truly finished Wear device"

    We'll see. Devices that are truly finished are rare... there's got to be room for Gen 2.

    • Adil Tajgeer

      by the time it comes out it will practically be a gen2 device

      • gadgety

        I was referring to Gen 2 of the 360

    • redsnowfox

      That bottom bezel is a pretty big room.

  • jamaall

    This should be directed to all the people complaining about the non-screen area on the bottom. This is why.

    • smuratroniks

      This is still ugly U_U

      • jamaall

        I really don't think anyone else will notice it unless they ask to see your watch. I'd much rather have the light sensor than have a perfect circle and the misconvenience of having to adjust your brightness every time you go in or outside.

        • smuratroniks

          I'd much rather have a perfect circle than have the light sensor.

          3 out of 5 in brightness is good enough on the g watch to be seen corectly inside AND outside. i dont think this light sensor will save the battery very mutch

  • Mayoo

    I still love the watch but wow, it's almost half the thickness of her arm!

    • she said that totally.

      That's what she said.

    • Kevin

      Are you trying to say you have girl arms?

  • http://www.toysdiva.com Toys Samurai

    I am even more pissed now knowing very well that when I get the Moto 360, it won't be nearly as useful as all other Moto 360 owners who have a gmail account instead of a Google Apps account.

  • Peter ‘Firefox’ Fox

    Yeah, part of me just thinks this watch is too good to be true, it'll most definitely be the most expensive out of the Android watches so far. The fact that summer is not that far from ending and there's no date announced makes me think it's not a manufacturing issue but a design one they though they would have fixed in time.

  • archercc

    The light sensor is cool and all but the real take away from this is that it doesnt look ridiculously gaudy and her wrists are small, so on a full grown man its going to just be a thicker watch.

  • humulos

    That's cool and all, but I can't help but notice that I STILL DON'T OWN ONE UGH

  • abobobilly

    Please let the screen be an AMOLED unit. PLEASE ....

  • Cory Crew

    I can't even put up a front it looks lovely in the video...
    It's possible the only wear I see myself even the slightest bit interested in getting.

  • black

    The more I see this watch, the more I dislike it. It looks like a round aluminum thing with not-so-good-looking straps.

  • Kostas

    What's the deal with that black line occuping the bottom half of the screen? Is it a sticker or something to hide information or is part of the overall design?

    • Oliver Phillips

      It's a necessary part of the round screen unfortunately

    • sup

      WTFV.

  • pb

    great news, hopefully a capacitive screen to operate only the finger, and a more powerful battery, see better surprises ...

  • Andrew

    I will likely get any other company's round watch face design... so I could be waiting a bit. I have little to no faith in Motorola. My "waterproof" S-11 Flex HD has shorted out twice requiring RMA. I was told my replacement would take about 4 days to ship... going on over 2 weeks now. Using their on-line system to track RMA's, shows that my RMA is not even in the system, but when I call them, they assure me it is.

    How water resistant do you really think this device will be? Living in South Florida where it has literally rained every day the past 3 weeks worries me.

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