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LG's G3 has a lot of pixels. Like, a lot a lot. 534 of them per inch, if you want to get precise. How sharp is it? It's pretty damn sharp.

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Yes, this actually is the G3's screen. Wowzers.

But is there any practical, even technical, reason to keep pushing on the pixel density front in smartphones? Or will QHD finally be our stopping point? Should 1080p have been? Do you care?

The only benefit we're aware of for such resolution comes in the form of enhanced clarity for fonts in the CJK languages (Chinese, Japanese, Korean), where complex shapes and tapering can make small text difficult to read on a standard 1080p display. And note that by "difficult" I don't mean actually hard, I just mean you might have to squint a little - I've never seen anyone argue that CJK characters look bad on a 1080p display, just that they could look perceptibly better on, say, a QHD screen.

So, what say you? Are you "Q"ed up for the next step in the smartphone pixel wars, or is this just jumbo-sized hype over some really tiny dots?

QHD - worth it, or just more pixel pushing?

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David Ruddock
David's phone is whatever is currently sitting on his desk. He is an avid writer, and enjoys playing devil's advocate in editorials, and reviewing the latest phones and gadgets. He also doesn't usually write such boring sentences.

  • Mayoo

    On a smartphone: No. Keep the prices low and keep my eyes healthy.
    On a 7'' tablet: Yes, for sh*ts and giggles.
    On a 10'' tablet: Yes, for movies.
    On a 14'' tablet: Go home Samsung, you're drunk.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      7' tablet? YOU go home, you're drunk. :P

      • Mayoo

        I just edited it, you were a few seconds quicker than me.

        • abobobilly

          Thats the difference between sober and drunk.

          (j/k)

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          • Wilberth Barrantes

            NO

      • Dean Politis

        And now Samsung is going to create a 7' tablet. Don't give them any more ideas.

    • Himmat Singh

      Really? Even most movies on 42+ inch TVs are at a "mere" 720p resolution, and you want FOUR TIMES that resolution on a 10-inch device for watching movies!??

      • Mayoo

        You realize that 720p has nothing to do with the size of the TV, so that part of your argument is pretty useless. But yeah, I think it will make movies look better. I, like you, think 4 times is overkill but there won't be anything between 1080p and QHD (standard-speaking) so we'll have to go with that.

        • Himmat Singh

          Obviously not. What I quite clearly meant was that people watch HD content at 720p on their HDTVs yet now apparently think having 1440p displays will make movies look clearer on 10 inch tablets? There is a threshold beyond which your eyes cannot make out any more pixels. The closest reference threshold is Apple's "Retina display". Anything more than that is mere fluff.

          • derp

            Apple fan website CultOfMac stated that the resolution the human eye can discern at 12 inches is 900 PPI, concluding "Apple’s Retina Displays are only about 33% of the way there".

          • Devin Callahan

            I love how 'anything beyond retina is useless' comes from so many people, but the second apple makes a better display it'll be 'this is the biggest innovation in all of history'

            Seriously, sit a 2k display next to an iPhone which has less than 720p resolution, and nobody could pretend they don't see a difference.

            The retina display was fantastic at the time... And now, 4 years later, they haven't changed a thing about it, and they've fallen way behind. It's probably just money, honestly.

          • Bo

            You have to think, the average consumer doesn't know or care about the ppi as long as it seems colorful and clear to there eye. Also think about performance and battery life. Why do you think the motor x is to this day one of the quickest phones out there. Good chip, smaller screen at 720p. If you had a phone with a snapdragon 801 but with a 4.7 inch 720P display it would be lightning fast. Apple does it for practical reasons.

          • Devin Callahan

            No, the average consumer doesn't consider PPI. They consider how good this phone looks next to theirs.

            And, the moto X is one of the quickest phones because it's almost stock android, and has an 8 core processor that divides labor so effectively that it barely has to wake up. Directly to contrast, my Note 3 has some of the best specs around, and enough bloatware to choke a horse, and performs with rare, slight lag by comparison.

            And I don't believe apple does do it for practical reasons, as somebody who used to be very involved with the jailbreak community, I got to watch how their products actually work. The camera on the iPhone 4, for example, was the exact same camera hardware as on the iPod touch that launched the same year. They limited the resolution of the iPod's camera with software, because it was cheaper to do that then to design and produce a second model of camera, but they still wanted it to perform worse then their phone's. There are countless examples of this.

            Apple makes over 200% of production costs on each phone they sell. Samsung, along with most other OEMs, make about 20%. And you can't even argue that it has to deal with production costs, because Apple doesn't make their own hardware, Samsung makes most of it for them. So not only do they make 200%, they make it after paying other people to make it for them. You can't honestly tell me that you can justify this in any way other than 'they want more money'.

          • Google_Is_The_Higgs_Boson

            My Nexus 5 is lightning fast...

          • AS

            My lg g3 is faster :)

          • Grayson

            What PPI the human eye can discern depends on what you're looking at. That's why no one can agree on the number. A 5 inch QHD screen is indiscernable from a 5 inch 1080p screen when viewing English text from 12 inches away. Does that mean the human eye can't discern more than the ~440 PPI of the 1080p screen? You might think so, but then how is the human eye able to see a single black pixels surrounded by white pixels on the QHD screen? It all depends on what's being displayed on the screen. The size of the object on screen, the angles, the colors, and the contrast all play a factor. You probably couldn't see a light gray pixel in a sea of white on a QHD screen, where it would be obvious on a SD screen, but you could see a black pixel in a sea oh white.

          • Alexandre Schrammel

            Apple said so its true SHUT UP jaja

          • farawayplace

            Which flys in the face of what Apple actually said... By a very wide margain.

          • firesoul453

            Retina display is just a market term the first iPhone with it had a real retina display, but the iPad had a much much lower ppi. The mac with the "retina" display has an even lower ppi

          • RTWright

            We do NOT watch HD content at 720 anything, don't know which planet you're from but that was stupid to even think that. If it's HD, that means it's 1080p and if your using an HD TV, then it's 1080p. So it is NOT being viewed at 720, sheesh.....

          • Himmat Singh

            Dude, clearly misinformed you are. On TVs at least, if you are watching cable, there are no 1080p broadcasts! Movies, TV shows and sports programs max out at 720p.

            Even Bluray movies are 720p. Only way to get 1080p content is by downloading movies online, from what I know.

          • Alexandre Schrammel

            Please stop.... some Blu-ray are 4k already.... =/ in brazil we have cable at 1080p... so in USA u dont?????? Its f*cking expensive but does exists

          • Eddie Spageddie

            Dude, clearly misinformed you are. Yes, there are many channels which broadcast in 720p, but for many years I've enjoyed 1080i broadcasts on numerous channels from my cable provider.

        • Harold Melvin

          There actually are several in between

      • hairyback

        42" tv's look great from across the lounge, but up close there is definitely room for improvement. I couldn't use a 32" 1080p/720p tv for a computer monitor for example.

      • sweenish

        All of my movies are 1080p.

        Don't know what you're talking about.

      • firesoul453

        Well with the distance I hold my table and the distance I stand from the TV the 10 inch tablet has a bigger screen from my point of view. Also looks better.

    • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

      I think QHD would do great on Samsung Galaxy Table with a 42" display

      • Guest

        I have a QHD monitor now, and it definitely looks better than FHD. The viewing distance is key.

  • thistimearound

    I'm in school. I have a Macbook Pro Retina and a TV that only does 720p. Haha. I don't care. I want my intertainment quick and as nice looking as possible. On my phone (LG OG) it's already decent enough. I don't need laser crisp calendar lines.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/77537273@N03/ Herman

    Anything with a ppi close to 350 is the sweet spot for me.
    Anything Higher, and it decreases battery life and graphical performance without making the display much more appealing to look at.

    I really like the 1080p panel on my Xperia Z1, but looking back at my Xperia S at 720p (with a ppi around 340) I don't see it as a huge improvement at all.

    • Michael McGrade

      This is my biggest gripe...battery. I like a crisp screen but I don't need something that I'm not going to be able to tell a difference in except that my battery is being drained quicker. They need to put more energy into development of technology in batteries and more internal memory and better cameras because honestly the screens now are great and don't really need more pixels that I can't differentiate in.

      • SSDROiD

        It's not as fun in marketing to write "Lasts outstanding 48+ hours on a single charge" as it is to say "Superfragicalicious Quad HD screen provides gorgeous imagery" :P

        • TheFirstUniverseKing

          I disagree. I think most would prefer super great battery life for a smartphone if a manufacturer went out of their way to obtain it for their device and marketed it right. The Droid Razr Maxx was a step in the right direction.

          • SSDROiD

            While I agree consumers would like it, I don't think the people responsible for PR would like it. Battery life is subject to adjustments such as apps running, software, and lots of other factors that would make the end result difficult to market correctly. They would have to attach one of those annoying "May not happen this way to you at all in any situation" small texts beneath it, while with Quad HD screens they can jump up the letters to smack you in the face and show beautiful imagery of nature that will give you an eye orgasm because the resolution is the way it is and can't be changed.

        • Bo

          Razor hd Maxx was a big seller for Verizon.

    • Andrew

      Just got my Note 3. FTW. :)

  • EMullins

    David, you forgot the "I want the highest resolution my chipset can run without issue"

    Screen resolution will keep getting higher and higher until it looks like real life. Until then, a reasonable person just wants the best screen that current hardware can push without compromising the experience.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Well, that's technically the same as wanting it to want it, because there's no good reason aside from the one I mentioned (that I'm aware of, enlighten me if not) for a screen of this pixel density. The concerns of battery / performance don't change the reason.

      • EMullins

        Talking about whether 1080p is good enough or whether there is a need for qHD is like a person in the 90's saying, "I don't want a DVD Player because VHS is good enough" It will all get higher and higher quality no matter what we want, and we will buy it when the technology gets there.

        No matter what you "want" you will keep getting a higher res display on your phone every 5 to 10 years until you can't distinguish it from looking through a small window.

        • MeCampbell30

          The difference is diminishing returns. To see what you would see on a 1440p device all you need to do is hold a 1080p device 4" further away. The difference between VHS and DVD isn't 4". We are hitting the limit of the eye's ability to resolve detail.

        • Rod

          The difference is that, we've hit the human eye capability

    • Himmat Singh

      "Until it looks like real life".

      Ever heard of "Retina display"? Your eyes cannot make out more pixels than that. More pixels do not equate to more lifelike imagery anyways.

  • jamaall

    My Droid Maxx has a 720p screen, for a PPI of around 300. And you know what? I can barely tell the difference between this and 1080p. I could tell people it was and they would believe it. 2560x1600 is a gimmick for phones.

  • Cesar

    I have zero interest in anything over 1080p on a smartphone. Heck, the 720p display on my Moto X is perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned.

    • jamaall

      Exactly. Past 1080p is worse anyway. You're pushing the processor harder and taking up extra battery for no reason.

      • wcjeep

        I was fine with 720p. Current device has 1080. Doesn't really matter to me. I would rather have battery longevity.

        • MadeInChinaMotorola

          the problem is that 1080p doesn't mean BAD BATTERY.
          1080p and QHD display just NEED ADEQUATE BATTERIES for them.

          2,500 mAh is NOT for 5" 1080p.
          it's for 4.7" 720p.

          but 4,000 mAh is just right for QHD.

          • mike

            What they are saying is imagine what you can do with 1080p on 4000mAh, and not just the battery life, but the performance too

          • jeremynsl

            Well batteries take up space. That adds weight and size to a phone. So just adding a larger battery compromises the entire design of the phone.

            It makes far more sense not to use ridiculous resolutions in the first place and maintain relatively compact size and good battery life.

          • RTWright

            I find this to be the biggest problem in all of the phone designs. People must have pretty weak hands to warrant constantly getting thinner and lighter phones. Sorry, but I would rather it be built RIGHT and built to last and be able to have a decent battery to back up the hardware. I don't need the worlds thinnest phone, I need a dependable, long lasting phone. If that means putting a 5,000mAh battery in it? Then do it! I could care less if the phone weighed in at 1 pound after it as long as it wasn't overly bulky.

          • Guest

            How about this, 4,000 mAh and a 1080p screen. Much better.

    • TheFirstUniverseKing

      My Galaxy Note 2's 720p display still impresses me to this day.

    • BIGGER_is_BETTER

      that's why Motorola is BLEEDING MONEY! Nobody needs what it tries to force people to love.
      Because the market thinks "bigger, faster, clearer".

      It's human nature. People will always LOVE BETTER.

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      And it's better not to persuade consumers that 720p is enough 5" is better than 6";)
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      People WILL love Galaxy Note 4 with QHD.
      People WILL love Galaxy S5 Prime with QHD.
      People will love LG G3 with QHD.

      All this "1080p is enough" and "too much pixels" and "no difference" = BULLSH*T.

      • Bo

        I don't feel it's wrong to have this choice, and I know there is a difference, but as long as I have a nice panel with close to 350 to 400ppi I'm fine. I had a lumia 920 before I got my galaxy s5 I am fine worth either screen honestly.

      • RTWright

        Then you must be wearing microscopes for glasses, because the human eye cannot tell the difference between HD and QHD on such a small screen. Sorry, but unless you put it under a scope and magnify it to the point you can see each individual pixel, then you're never going to notice the difference.

        This still wont stop Samsung, HTC, LG and others from bleeding people dry of their money to charge more for these advancements in Screen Technology. That's just how it is, these companies know they can sucker you in, you'll dive in face first to have it as fast as possible so you can brag to all your friends you have the best there is....

    • http://ignaciozippy.com/ Ignacio Zippy

      Same with my Nexus 4. But then it's the flawed 3G radio (and coverage doesn't help) who drains all the battery. If I only could fix that I'd keep it forever.

  • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

    1080p for 5+ inches
    720p for anything less than 5"

    Ultra HD, Quad HD... that's just gimmicks to sell you a product while it erases your battery life into nothingness

    • grumpyfuzz

      too bad the market will probably adapt QHD and keep going further, even though it's not necessary. By doing this they needed more demanding processors and uses more battery. If they would understand 1080p is fine, they could just work on the battery a lot more, which is what should be happening, and the performance, but performance is already great.

      • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

        Well, maybe it will finally push the companies to invent a new uber-endurant battery that will last a week even with a QHD display on a 100% brightness once people stop buying these things with monstrous screen resolutions because it will kill phones and tablets alike in several hours?

        • grumpyfuzz

          it would be nice if that did happen, but I wouldn't count on it. if they just kept 1080p (which is perfectly fine right now), they would have more time to focus on battery.

          • Leonardo dicaprios bedsheets

            720 was an awesome reso. Easy on battery still looked rad at normal distances. Jump o 1080 seemed even excessive but I see the draw it is stunning.but for the love of god stop there and just pump R&D into battery we don't need more then 1080 battery should for sure be the focus and not wasting time with more PPI

          • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

            Still, 1080p is okay if your device has a mid-range capacity battery, like ~4100mAh in Nexus 7 2013 - the average battery life with the Full HD screen measures somewhere around 6 to 8 hours of normal usage - I say that's very acceptable.

        • abobobilly

          Fuel cell bro. Fuel cell ......

  • Himmat Singh

    For lack of a better reference term, Apple's "Retina display" definition should serve as the optimum reference point of what a screen resolution should be. IMHO, even 1080p is "too much" on a 6-inch device, much less 1440p on a 5-inch screen! (I have a 6-inch Lumia 1320 and the 720p screen looks great really)

    I have a Retina iPad Mini and man I tell you it is a waste of pixels.

    So yeah, I think we've hit the proverbial ceiling for mobile resolutions...time to focus resources on other meaningful aspects of mobile devices.

    • Imparus

      Retina display is defined with people having a 20/20 vision which mostly people have better, and majority of young people do. So no you can't use that for what a screen resolution should be.

  • Renan Lazarotto

    I have a 720p display and I don't think that I even need a 1080p one. Seems like a waste of battery and processing power. But QHD (what is the matter of saying 4K? Those abbreviations are confusing for someone who isn't used to them) is more than a waste - its useless. It should be used on devices where it actually make sense, like tablets and flat screens. On a phone, no use at all. 1080p should've been our stopping point.

    • jamaall

      It'd actually be considered 2K I guess. Won't be surprised to see someone put a 4k screen on a 10"+ tablet in the next 3 years though

      • Renan Lazarotto

        I did a quick google look up, so I saw "quad HD" and I was like "thats 4K". Silly me. Anyway, QHD seems a perfect resolution for a 10" tablet, while a 7" sounds reasonable with FullHD. I just don't understand why OEMs can't produce a 7" with 1080p but can make a 5" with QHD.

      • Grayson

        For those who are confused by all of the abbreviations and excessive rounding, here's how each resolution converts to actual K (thousands of) pixels, as measured on the longer side of a 16:9 screen...

        720p is 1.3K
        1080p is 1.9K
        QHD is 2.6K
        And 4K is actually 3.8K

    • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

      Not even on tablets, because there's zero to no content adapted to such resolutions except for several 4k movies

    • Rod

      As a former Nexus 4 owner, I used to have the same thought as you. But now that I have my Nexus 5, I see the difference. 1080p is great.

      But, anything past this is useless.

  • Nathan Bryant

    Yes. People always complain just like they did with 1080. Is it needed? No. Do we even need 1080? No, but now they prefer it. When the OS supports it then what will be people say about 2k? There is a quality difference. The pixel count is long gone. It's stopped being about that a while ago when 1080 came around. There is a quality difference when comparing the two. It will just take time or an update to adapt to that. It's no difference then a UI change and developers refuse or haven't changed their apps to keep in line with the design. For now only the stock wallpapers and skin will look super crisp because they're optimized for it, but it'll soon be supported.

    • Imparus

      The bigger problem is the missing amount of content in 2k, so what you are getting in a lot of cases will actually look worse, because the content have to be upscaled which doesn't look pretty, try watching a VHS on a 1080p or more TV and you will see what I mean.

  • Victoria

    Just thought about that, the only thing good about the latest hype about QHD screens is that it will most likely cause a price drop on 1080P screens, and that's good!

  • HoboJerk

    Am I the only one happy with 720p for my phone? (specifically my #holoyolo N4)

    • Cesar

      You are not alone.

    • WitnessG

      I am perfectly fine with the 720p display on my S3. I can't even see the pixels unless I'm looking for them closely.

  • Luxferro

    Need an option for prefer 720P. Not much point in super hi res screens when the screens themselves are small. You have to zoom to read text regardless.

  • Nathan Bryant

    I also find it funny that people say it's a "waste". What exactly are you wasting? Things obviously become optimized to handle such resolution and power consumption. Batteries get bigger and software becomes optimized for it. Battery life is not a complaint really. I'm hearing good talk about the G3. There are phones with smaller screens that have bad battery life.

    • Luxferro

      problem is only a few manufactures use bigger and better batteries. And yeah, screen res makes a difference on battery life, it's the number one battery drain if you actually use the phone.

      I have a nexus 5, and was more than happy with the res on my nexus 4.

  • irtechneo

    This reminds me of the comments when 1080p was first rolling out for phones...and 720p...and 3gb of ram...if the technology exists and does not hinder performance I have to ask why not? It will be fun to read these comments a couple years from now when QHD is the standard and people are talking about the next greatest thing. Things evolve.

  • Jason

    WTF who says that image is sharp? Someone needs their eyes checked. In a screen that small, as you see in the pic, it is pixelated. WAY too many pixels causes fuzziness when they get stacked on top of each other, they overlap and the pixel density is shitty! As a photographer with over 23+ years of experience this image just doesn't fly.

  • Ryan

    Looking at the results in the poll surprised me a little. I thought more people would want the "1440k NAO OR NO BUY" type of people going about, even for a phone. Maybe I'm just... forgot that word...

    Anyway, 1080p is overboard for phones. It makes sense for a tablet, but for a 4"-5" device, 1080p is overkill and does nothing to increase what we can see on the display. Coming from a western perspective, 720p would be fine. I can see higher resolutions and DPI a point for those in Asia and such, as I've seen some very complicated strokes before in their languages, so having that kind of clarity would help. But for the majority of other markets, not so much.

    Just my 0.02.

  • WitnessG

    Its not worth having a 1440p at the moment. Content is still trying to catchup to 1080p. Maybe in 2-3 years, it will be worth it.

    • Himmat Singh

      There comes a point where your eyes will not be able to make out the surplus pixels. For 5 inch devices, 1080p was already far surplus to requirements.

      • WitnessG

        Yeah. I can barely see them on my 720p display and that's only when I'm looking real closely trying to see them. I really don't see the need for 2k on 5 inch displays. I can understand if people want it on their TVs or even their monitors.

  • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

    For fun, S5 vs G3 side by side sharpness.

    • Humberto Hernandez

      A difference you only can appreciate using a microscope...

    • TheLastAngel

      The Galaxy S5 has the same subpixel count as a full RGB 720p display. So yeah, it sucks.

    • abobobilly

      AMOLED vs LCD. Thats supposed to happen anyway. But that really doesn't look any worse to the naked eye, so ... no harm done i'd say.

      • Ivaylo Stoyanov

        What are you implying?

        • abobobilly

          Nothing really. Except that "it doesn't really matter to the naked eye". Both screens are 1080p and in my opinion, do their job of "looking sweet" equally impressive.

          I however would vote for AMOLED because I love it. The infinite blacks are orgasm worthy and the screen overall is just "exciting" to look at. Other may, however, prefer the LCD for its "true colors", but i look at LCDs for being power hogs.

    • Rod

      LCD vs AMOLED.

      Unfair

    • Will Tisdale

      But the S5 has a pentile RGBG display - which will cause the additional jaggedness that you see on the edges - particularly on the red.

      • Barnassey

        S5 doesnt have a pentile arrangement. Its a LOT closer to a a diamond rbg layout. Thats the reason why those screens are so subjective.

        • Will Tisdale

          I've no idea what you mean.

          It's a RGBG PenTile matrix, arranged in a diamond format. A simple Google search for 'Galaxy S5 PenTile' will confirm that.

    • Barnassey

      To be honest it doesnt look that different. Problem is so many games have issues with screens higher than 1080. namely Metal slug 2&3. among a few others.

  • MrWicket

    there's really no reason for a resolution greater than 1080 at this point, even with "4K/UltraHD" TVs coming out there isn't enough content for it to be worth it and the size of 4K content isn't worth it on a mobile device with limited storage space. Heck a 480p/720p movie scaled up on your 1080p phone screen is going to look just fine as long as the compression is done right. It's just marketing buzz and people feel like they are getting more when all you're getting is less battery life.

  • Jack Dunn

    I hate all of these reports about whether or not we should have or care about higher resolutions on smartphones, and I think it's a load of crap! Smartphones have always been the showcase of a company's finest tech. For example, Sony makes cameras and TVs, so they put in the display of a Bravia, and the camera quality of a Cybershot into a neat small package... and then add everything else.

    That is it, that is the reason why smartphones are the best form of consumer technology, they live with you, and are probably the closest and most essential bits of tech anyone would ever have. All of this progress that's been done in the past few years is astonishing, because it's such a highly competitive area, one company adds a better screen, then another adds a better one and it's what makes these devices great.

    Now we are reading people saying, "is it too much?" Which I just don't understand.. is it too much innovation? Too much progress? Especially for us, the geeks, the ones that love reading about the latest thing because of this exact reason. I am really looking forward to having a 4k screen on my mobile, and beyond, because it can be done and it will undeniably make a difference to the image on screen, whether you would rather give up on new technology because ours is "good enough" or not.

    • Imparus

      If I could make a 20000K screen, that burned down the battery on half a minute would you want it on your phone? of course not, this is kind of the point with not moving over 1080p on a phone, since the rest of the components like processor and battery haven't followed the same amount of progress. If you are tech geek you don't just care about the higher number, since that would make you a spec geek, you care about the tech as a whole, not just what shows on the spec sheet.

      • Jack Dunn

        However this isn't even a question of battery because it's been optimized to have similar battery life to other flagships around with less pixel-dense displays. Of course, battery life and usability is also important, but in this instance and in many others it's not even an issue. A lot of people are saying don't bother with 2k because they just simply "don't want it" which is what I'm saying is questionable.

        • Imparus

          "However this isn't even a question of battery because it's been optimized to have similar battery life to other flagships Of course, battery life and usability is also important, but in this instance and in many others it's not even an issue"

          You are making the statement that the current flagship phone have acceptable battery life which it doesn't. If LG had went with a 1080p display they would have been able to increase the battery life, and lower the cost of production, that is a fact it doesn't matter how long other flagships last.

          You keep talking about moving forward yet ignoring the fact that we have been moving a lot backwards when it comes to battery life, why doesn't that matter when talking about good enough. You even say
          "whether you would rather give up on new technology because ours is "good enough" or not."
          how can you then say the current battery life is good enough, when it is a lot worse than what it used to be?

          "A lot of people are saying don't bother with 2k because they just
          simply "don't want it" which is what I'm saying is questionable."
          I don't want it even if it didn't affect battery life, because it will result in a lot of upscaling, since most content aren't 2k, heck most content aren't even 1080p, so I wont be interested in a 2k before that even start to change a lot.

          • Jack Dunn

            I'm not saying that battery life shouldn't improve, but a days worth of battery is generally practical enough. Plus you can buy add ons to increase battery life, you cant for screen resolution.

            I agree with your point about upscaling, however a lot less content will need to be upscaled than you might think, videos taken with the phone won't be, text and photos will look better, apps should already be optimized for that resolution anyway too.

          • Jack Dunn

            I do think that advancements in battery technology should be made, but I think a day's worth of average usage is enough to be practical for now, plus you can buy extras to increase or extend battery life, with screen resolution you can't. For example I have a portable battery charger, cost me £30 and it charges my phone (Note 3) 4 or 5 times on a single charge.

            I agree with your point about the content not being ready, however if you think about it, text, videos from the phone's camera, images, and most apps should be able to take advantage of the extra pixels.

  • Damian

    Who cares about screen when battery is biggest problem that should be fixed. Of course, I would love to have 1080p screen in my phone, but only when I could watch some movie longer than trailer, because of battery life.

    • Luxferro

      There is a direct relationship, so you should care.

  • Rich Diamonds

    It makes no sense honestly is ridiculous. On a phone or even tablet at least an android tablet. Now on a full windows tablet maybe . This whole resolution crap is out of hand we dont even need 4k tvs is all about the money thata it.

    • Luxferro

      Gotta market those bigger numbers to the suckers who don't try to understand things.

  • Pootis Man

    I am fine with 1080p. Just improve the screen tech like making the panel more efficient, slimmer, lighter, more durable and brighter.

  • darkdude1

    Considering there is relatively little content above 1080p and heck, there are still places that are not 1080p so let's work on that first.

  • Humberto Hernandez

    No, because more resulution means we need more CPU/GPU power to move pixels we wont' even see, hence, waste of power. Juts put the lastest snapdragon with a 1080p panel and a 3000mAh and im happy, if you add a QHD, the battery will not last that much and the GPU will work more for... well...nothing, unless you like gaming with a microscope.

    • Pootis Man

      Exactly right. That's why I am okay with 1080p.

      • Eric James Salcido

        I know a lot of people will say the same thing for 720p, but I really think 1080p is the sweet spot. I still get amazing battery life on my Note 3.

        • Pootis Man

          Exactly.

        • Bo

          Yeah my s5 gets through a solid day with plenty to spare usually end my day with 35% left, and that's with pretty above average use.

  • WORPspeed

    1080p is enough for on phones, but I won't complain if I don't have to pay much more for a phone with a higher resolution.

    EDIT:
    having read some of the other comments. I'd rather have 1080p then anything higher on my smartphone. Just to preserve battery life which becomes increasingly more important past 720p

    • Himmat Singh

      But just about why? It kills battery life and reduces performance all while not giving you ANYTHING more. You do know there is NO WAY a person can make out the pixels on 1080p on a 5 inch display, much less at 1440p?

      • darkdude1

        B...Bu....But it's a bigger number!!

        • WORPspeed

          Exactly! So in compromise I propose we start meassuring in milliPixels instead of pixels, so we can say we have 1920000 millipixels width instead of 1920pixels or something like that

      • WORPspeed

        yeah forgot about battery life....I now prefer they stay at 1080p for phones.

        Though here's a question for you:
        If I have a 720p phone and play UHD content on there (this is for in the future, not relevant in today's society yet)...so 720p screen, UHD movie....and now I want to mirror my screen to my curved samsung UHD tv using miracast, a HDMI cable, Koush's Mirror app or whatever....will my TV display it as 720p?
        (please disregard the feasibility and just focus on answering the actual question at hand, tyvm)

        • Himmat Singh

          Yeah since it is outputting from your phone, it would be 720p (unless they introduce some new software in the future).

        • DeGroo

          If it's screen MIRRORING then yeah, it's going to be at your phone's resolution. If it's sending video (streaming or through HDMI) from your phone to be played by your TV/media player, then it COULD be in UHD, provided that all devices involved support this.

  • Rodrigo Garcia

    Moto X has 720p, is enough.

  • Guest

    4K on a small form factor device is so stupid and nothing but a gimmick. You don't get into the true benefits of it until you go into the 50+ inch sizes hence why it's a good selling point for large HDTVs. I'd rather have a nice HD display capable of even 720p that won't kill my battery life faster than having a 4K display that will show the same stuff at the same resolution. I honestly just think it's only a selling point to get customers to believe they can have 4K on the go.

  • http://www.idiotacs.com/ aditya trivedi

    How about, i want a better battery life ?

    • Luxferro

      Phone manufactures don't seem to care about battery life. They don't want people to keep using a phone for a year or 2. They want you to buy a new one every 3-6 months; which is about how long they come out with a new version.

  • Ken Conaway

    4K resolution on mobile devices just doesn't make sense to me. How is something like QHD even going to make a difference on a small tablet or smartphone when the displays can already do 720p or 1080p? I think the biggest misconception here is that viewing 4K video on a mobile device will give the same experience as if you were viewing it on a 4K HDTV. It's not. I'm good with just viewing 720p video on phone and conserving battery life which should be the most important factor in mobile devices not gimmicky "4K" displays.

  • moelsen8

    Stupid waste of battery life. Get that to even 2-days, and then let's revisit this kind of BS.

    • Himmat Singh

      Let's assume it takes no hit whatsoever on battery life. What useful purpose does a 1440p 5 or even 10 inch display serve?

      • Luxferro

        none, unless you have a 60"+ phone (AKA as a TV).

  • abobobilly

    Screen Resolution? MEH

    BIGGER BATTERY? BRING IT THE FUCK ON.

  • br_hermon

    I'm even Ok with a 720 screen, I'm not blind. If the a "lower" resolution screen like that saves me battery, then why not??

  • DanieleMnn

    To be honest I'm fine with my n4's screen, anything above seems not so useful to me compared to the battery life decrease it brings.

  • TheLastAngel

    Of course I want biggerer and betterer!

    Seriously, what's with all the "what we have is good enough" attitude around here?
    This community used to be insane!

  • james fuston

    I'll take 1080p and battery life over QHD on a phone.

  • Ahmad Nadeem

    The 720p screen on the N4 is good and crisp enough for me...... I don't want to bleed my eyes to death by squinting through a microscope looking for pixelation

  • Leandro Brandão

    If qhd is lower brightness then I don't want. I was pretty excited about lg g3 but I think I will buy Xperia z2 because of better brightness and other aspects.

  • supremekizzle

    ...

  • Simon Belmont

    Hmm. How about the option for "I'm happy with 1080p, but if the next phone I want has QHD, I wouldn't mind?"

    I'm REALLY happy with the 1080p screen on my Nexus 5, and I wouldn't upgrade solely for a screen resolution bump. But, if that bump was there in my next phone and the battery life and GPU performance were on par, I'd be okay with it.

  • https://google.com/+LateefAlabiOki Lateef Alabi-Oki

    Only if it doesn't affect battery life and the GPU is more than capable of pushing that large amount of pixels without causing lag or redraw issues.

    So, yes, but battery and GPU tech needs to catch up first.

  • http://twitter.com/jcunwired Jody Carbone

    Nobody wants it until the next big thing is announced, then they must have it. Most can't even spell QHD, much less know what it is, but by golly they_need_ it! Too funny.

    Personally, 720p is just fine for a 5" display, 1080p is more than anyone needs on a 10". Anything else is just silly.

  • portalpirate

    Where's the "I'd rather have 1080p at 4.3 inches than 1440p at 5 inches" option?

  • Tomáš Petrík

    It's not the resolution that matters, it's the pixel density, a.k.a. resolution relative to screen size.

  • Henrique Persechini

    I like:
    1080p phone screens
    1080p tablet screens
    1080p computer screens
    1080p tv screens...

    ... and matching socks

  • hairyback

    I wouldn't turn it down, so long as the battery life is the same as 1080 or even 720, but if it came down to a noticeably longer battery life or a QHD screen, I would go with the former.

  • Trysta

    I don't really care as long as there are no drawbacks. I'd prefer a 1080p screen if it meant better battery life, performance and app compatibility. There is zero benefit to 1440p in my mind but I still think the G3 is a good phone.

  • guest

    I would rather pay for a 720/1080p screen with perfect color reproduction, contrast, luminosity and all rather those extra pixel

  • Horatio Sakiyama

    LG chocolate!!

  • Nick Cannon

    As HMDs start coming out we'll all want better than 1080

  • Chris

    Honestly, from what I've been hearing from most people who have the phone already have been saying it at least last an entire day for them. So i don't get why you all are complaining about it. Though it may not be necessary, the fact is that all the major manufacturers are bringing 2k to the table here soon. I bet you won't be complaining when the Note 4 is announced.

    • http://mastermind777sblog.blogspot.com mastermind777

      "2k" is 1080p. Whoever started calling QHD 1440p "2K" was an idiot, since it's 2560 pixels wide.

  • Badouken

    I really don't care as long as it looks nice... Probably gonna get the LG G3 as my next phone just because everything else about the phone seems amazing and I really want/ fig the buttons on the back.

  • Matthew Fry

    Marques Brownlee did a comparison of the G3 and other screens and assuming the 4k downconverting to 1080 could still show a difference, it did look a bit clearer for very detailed high res shots.

  • n_a_v

    4k display, 28 megapixel camera, octacore or i'm not interested

  • wollac11

    Look, let's face it, 1440p looks a little bit better than 1080p. Not a lot better but you can notice it. So as along as it is not detrimental to performance or battery life I can't see why people would complain. It's not a huge advantage on a phone but it is still an advantage. If my next phone was 1080p I wouldn't really be disappointed but I wouldn't mind having one 1440p at some point.

  • http://mastermind777sblog.blogspot.com mastermind777

    4K or bust!

    But seriously, density is more important than resolution. At 534 PPI, that's pushing it, but if we're being technical, at 600 DPI we might as well be printing stuff.

  • Voi

    As long as it's >300ppi it's fine. What I really wish for is that other manufacturers than Samsung and Nokia realised that OLED is superior to backlight-bleeding-black-is-actually-grey-LCD.

  • Matthew Merrick

    720p at 4.3" is crystal clear. 720p at 4.5" is still really nice. 720p at 4.7" is starting to be pulled a little thin, and by the time you hit 5" is not enough. 1080p at 4.7"+ is BEAUTIFUL (though I'm not convinced its any better lower than that) . At 7" you think maybe you could do better than 1080p, and at 8"you can notice QHD is an improvement. At 9"+ QHD makes a huge difference.

    Is there actually a point to even having LG G3 levels of PPI? Yeah, there is, actually. You can tell the difference side by side, but above 275ish the returns per PPI begin to diminish significantly. However, most people (not all mind you) are less discerning than I am. The only way they'll notice the upgrade from 1080p to QHD (on a phone at least) is if they read the specs or hear the marketing. For most people its pointless. For those of us who will notice..... Will it be enough of a difference to matter? That'll be a person by person decision that can only be made with an actual hands on. But for a lot of us, I don't think it'll be worth it.

  • chris125

    As long as it does not effect performance and battery life I have no issues with having the latest and greatest even if at the time there is very little that takes advantage of it. Remember the same thing was said with 1080p screens?

  • Devin Callahan

    This is how this discussion goes-

    "the 2k display on the lg G3 looks absolutely fantastic, yes you can tell a difference between this and 1080p. I wish they had stuck to 1080, 2k destroys battery life'

    Followed immediately by - 'the battery life on the LG G3 is one of the best I've ever seen'

    This argument happened at 1080p as well, 'who would ever need that many pixels!?' The tech community cried out, until one by one everybody admitted they were wrong.

  • Galath

    There should be an option for "I prefer 720P". Please HTC and LG and Samsung, I do care about GRAPHICS PERFORMANCE.

  • theonetrueMike

    My moto x screen is enough..and honestly so is the iPhones retina display...so enough...they look amazing now. Even my m7 with 1080p is overkill on that tiny screen

  • MeCampbell30

    I would prefer the quality (contrast, color accuracy, sun glare, power efficiency, ect.) of the display get better before the density gets larger.

    • Grayson

      Yeah, I would take a 720p screen with good contrast, super high brightness, and great color accuracy (think iPhone 5/5S or HTC One X screen) over a QHD screen with poor contrast, mediocre brightness, and mediocre color accuracy (cough, G3).

  • Jeffrey Smith

    So QHD is Quad (720) HD = 2560x1440. My previous phone was qHD: Quarter (1080) HD = 960x540. This is not going to be confusing at all!

    • PoisonApple31

      No more confusing then iPhone 5s and Galaxy S5.

      • Jeffrey Smith

        Well, that's true.

  • Sky

    weather you guys like it or not QHD will end up being the standard until something bigger or better comes along.. If technology was in the majority of your hands ..We would still be in the VHS era ,just now maybe considering DVD's..
    ..
    There is pro's and Con's for both sides of this coin..I for one embrace to movement of todays tech, but that doesn't mean i'm a sucker..Good thing there are options :)

  • Akshay Mehta

    I wouldn't mind a qhd display if the Battery is of the appropriate size. More pixels are always good IMO.

  • Casey Mills

    I was perfectly happy with the 720P screen on my S3 until I started using a 1080P on my S4. While the difference probably won't be as dramatic, I am looking forward to QHD.

  • Shadowstare

    After using my DNA for the past year and a half, there's no way my next phone will be anything under 1080p. This screen is amazing. I refuse to take a step backward.

  • Suman Gandham

    I voted to prefer 1080p - mainly because a) I prefer "smaller" big phones (4.7 to 5") where there is little benefit to QHD, and b) higher resolution impacts battery life, and for me that is far more important!

    But on larger tablets, I can definitely see the benefit of QHD.

  • crackinthewall

    If it means getting a phone with a 4.5" 1080P screen, why not? I'm more interested in how manufacturers respond to the Z1 Compact than the growing size of our flagship phones. Sooner or later, I'm going to need a smaller phone if this trend keeps up. Not really comfortable carrying a 6" phone out when I run.

  • black

    I say yes. I want to see how crazy these manufacturers are.

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  • Bo

    1080 is enough. You could almost say any more than that is like the heart rate monitor on the galaxy s5, a gimmick.

  • Cenarl

    advancements are good for the whole industry, before too long High res phone screens won't even be at a premium anymore because they will be mass produced. Upping Resolution also calls for great advancements in GPUs and CPU is another bonus, it keeps companies busy pushing themselves. Combine it all together and you have somewhat of a uniformity... your phone will have a 4k screen, record 4k videos, and will match your future 4k TV and will have ample power to take advantage of it all.

    A lot of people want phone tech to slow down for their own selfish reasons of being "outdated" too soon, but I say it's mostly their own fault for having uncontrollable tech lust. If a gadget doesn't fit your needs don't buy it. The last thing you want is an industry to slow down and stagnate, because that pretty much means it's not healthy and competition slows way down and advancements stagnate and usually only the Giants like Samsung and Apple will be left standing. Then instead of large advancements consumers are still milked for small advancements and you'll still end up envious, at least this way you get substantial upgrades every time you get a new phone.

    But I will say once phones get to 4k the resolution rush, I imagine that will be the end for quite some time and they'll have to figure something else out to sell. Better 3D, holograms, some other advancement will have to come to sell to people.

  • faceless128

    $200 on contract means i want the best specs they can cram in there. it's not like they'll magically charge less...

  • Davis Hernandez

    my note 2 its enough for me, well, even my old xperia mini pro with a resolution of 480x320 IS still enough for me (i use it when the note battery is about to die)

  • Grayson

    I would prefer 1080p. For me, greater performance, brightness, and battery life is more important than a few extra pixels that are barely noticeable even from 6 inches away.

  • xmattjus

    Just make better quality screens (like Samsung did with the upgrade made from Note 3 to S5) and don't go over 1080p!

  • http://liveinalux.com/ mankulito

    i have a phone with 720p. It is really enough.

  • http://iron2000.blogspot.com/ iron2000

    Don't know when I will buy my next phone.
    If QHD becomes some cheaper mainstream spec by then, then why not?

    In the end its down to how much I can spend.

  • Sean Powell

    My 24" PC monitor is 1080p and is great. Having more than that in a tiny (by comparison) 5" display makes no sense to me. Just makes the GPU work harder to push the pixels and therefore decreases battery life.

    I would be a happy camper if every phone going forward used the super LCD 3 panel tech from HTC (or LG or whoever makes it)

  • Nicklas

    No, i'd rather keep that processing power and battery. I honestly wouldn't mind a 720p display either. That's what the Moto X did right.

  • Rob Johnson

    To me, the screen is the most important part of a phone. But as long as it's atleast 720p, I'm happy.

  • Steven Brumfield

    On a tablet, yes, but not on my phone. My Moto X has a super high ppi with 720p while not sacrificing battery power for an unnecessary pixel count...

  • renz

    as for the article title: the answer is no. but instead of increasing resolution i want they decrease the resolution back to 720p? :P

    personally even with 7 inch tablet i'm fine with 720p res.

  • http://btleffler.com/ Ben

    I don't need a phone or tablet with a higher resolution than my TV.

  • Alfuh

    720p looks great on my Moto X and the battery lasts longer due to less pixels lighting up... That's a win win in my book

  • Ghost

    I want it but don't really care. I have the G2 and will probably get the G3. 1080p is good enough but might as well make it higher. Its always funny to me how screens taken on my phone are higher res than the ones on my tablet.

  • undercoverduck

    Tbh I care more about colour reproduction than I do about pixelcount

  • Major_Pita

    I dunno...seems like it adds considerable overhead in terms of GPU, memory bus and CPU - not to mention the added power requirements. I have a 1080p 5" phone screen and a 1920 x 1200 7 inch Nexus. Three years ago these were insane pixel counts but compared to what came before...it was a noticeable improvement.
    Not sure I could see the difference on QHD screen without a magnifying glass. I'll wait until I actually see a G3 and get accurate real-world battery life reports before I form an opinion.

  • TY

    Actually even the most complicated Han character (龘) displays fine without any merges of strokes on the Nexus 5, 445ppi. As long as the phone is set to 480dpi, there is no need to further bump up the ppi to properly display CJK characters. A 5.5" 1080p screen is 400ppi, which I believe is the cutting point where QHD becomes somewhat worth the tradeoff for battery life, display brightness and performance. 6" phones definitely benefit from QHD displays. 5"? I don't think so.

  • milagroful

    I'd way rather have better battery life than higher resolution I can't distinguish

  • BoFiS

    I'd rather a SMALLER phone, like a 4.3" with 720p that's as small as possible in my hand, but still with decent specs ;-)

  • Ashish

    Give us better battery life instead.

  • ufmace

    I've got a M7 HTC One at 1080, and I think that's already excessively high. I doubt you could tell the difference between 1080 and 720 on that size without a magnifying glass. Going even higher still is just nuts.

  • mikeym0p

    No, I want cheaper phones.
    <1080p screens, <5", flagship chips.

    I care more about daylight visibility, the fact that it's LCD and wont burn in, and I dont want a frying pan for a phone. OEM's please stop crippling the 'mini' versions of your flagships.

  • EvenInTheDarkestHour

    Google Nexus 10 has it, and the display is brilliant. I have a note 2 (720p) & Nexus 5 (1080p) I don't so much notice a pixel density difference, as I do a screen technology difference. All three display media beautifully. I don't see a need for greater than 1080p on a screen as small as that found on a phone/phablet. But, that's just my opinion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lucyparanormal Daniel Tiberius

    End the PPI Wars and start the Storage Wars. Gimme a 128GB phone with an sd card slot.

    • Android Developer

      What about battery wars?
      or long support wars?
      or bloatware-free wars (where you choose which apps to have) ?
      or open source wars (where everything becomes open source) ?
      or low-price wars?
      or non-breakable screen wars?
      or no-bezels wars?
      or...
      ok I'm done. :)

  • thartist

    It's not resolution itself. I'm done with over 300 ppi for phones, and a bit less for tablets and TVs that you look at from a greater distance.

  • A2theC

    I have better than 20/20 vision and 1080p looks fine from 24in away. Sure we have tablets with more than that many pixels, but the density suffers. So what is the point?

  • deltatux

    My Nexus 4 looks fine, don't know what's the big deal with pushing even more pixels in a tiny display. If you asked if I want an affordable 22"-26" LCD panel with 2560x1600, then yes, you have my attention.

  • UltraHD4Smartwatch

    Anything that makes the battery life last LONGER.

    I dont care if consumption is lowered for ultraHD displays, it should go even lower. Is 5 days charge so undesirable for a phone you principally need to have powered on for PHONING ?

  • Android Developer

    There isn't an option "First let me look at it with my own eyes before I choose" .

  • Jason Brown

    I don't really care, as long as the BATTERY life is excellent.

  • dontpanicbobby

    I'll want and need a QHD screen when Hollywood's content matches that resolution. I use my Note 3 foe video entertainment everyday. What;s the point of a QHD screen if no one is delivering content at that level?

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  • Gaulke

    I prefer better batteries than better displays.

  • Noel

    If i will get considerable battery savings from a 1080p than a QHD screen...i will take the 1080p screen any day, easy decision.

  • farawayplace

    I live in Korea, and just chose the LG G Pro 2 over the G3. The argument about asian fonts is pretty much a moot point at 1080p and beyond at phone sizes. Yes, I actually type in asian fonts. On tablets, maybe a little is gained at 4k. Why did I choose the older G Pro 2 over the G3? Mainly size (I wanted a larger screen) but also speed. That big 4k display slows the G3 down compared to the older G Pro 2, which sports a mere 2.26Ghz CPU to the G3's 2.5. Side-by-side, the difference is small, but it is there. Also, the G3 generates heat to the point that warning screens will pop up, telling you that the screen and/or CPU will be limited. Also, unless viewing 4k video content included with the phone, I could not see a difference in sharpness.

  • Steve Freeman

    I would prefer better radios, and better battery life. On a 5" screen, QHD is at the bottom of my wishlist. Hell, even on a 7" tablet screen it's at the bottom of my wishlist.

  • Anna

    Its all about the batteries now, the screens no body cares anymore, they are good enough, I dont know why manufacturers are researching on the wrong area of development. I guess sometimes commonsense is never used, even to the most educated.

  • Robin

    720p is enough by far. I don't need my phone to have a higher resolution than my 40" tv or my 24" pc monitor. Also I want good battery life which is wasted by resolutions that high. Theres just no point besides the need of a selling point for new devices.

  • Skins

    Even though you are talking about phones and small devices, I think you will benefit from the science demonstrated on this page dealing with the same subject matter.

    http://carltonbale.com/does-4k-resolution-matter/

  • https://plus.google.com/+EvanFeldman95/ Evan Feldman

    I don't even wan't 1080p 720 is fine, and doesn't kill your battery.
    Motorola, if your listening, PLEASE no 1080p in the Moto X+1

  • amazing annu

    can anybody tell me that if i have a phone with very low ppi [like 199ppi] but good cpu than can i run high end game in it???

  • AS

    I say bring on the 4k phones :)

  • analfischer

    1. Better legibility under direct sunlight.

    2. Lower power consumption screens. Correlates with advancing current battery technology. When will we see decently sized smartphones, im not talking about 6 inch sized abominations, that lasts a week before we need to top it up?

    Companies need to address all the accompanying components before all these unnecessary and useless upgrades. And unfortunately more than 90% of the consumers buy into the marketing BS (QHD screens, octa/penta-cores, 20-whatever megapixel cams, etc.) they shove down ours throats.

  • rickrom

    anything in the 200-250 is basically all we need... we can go higher when battery technology catches up with all the fucking bullshit we're shoving into our mobiles devices. anybody who says otherwise is delusional. go play that benchmark numbers bullshit some place else.

  • Vince

    I like the idea of higher resolution screen because I'm near-sighted and can take off my glasses and put the device about 5-inches from my eyes. At that distance I can see the pixels on a retina screen. Because I don't wear reading glasses or bi-focals normally, taking my glasses off is the only real option for seeing the screen without having to hold it out at arms distance and or propping my distance glasses at the end of my nose, which kind of works as a reading lens. So for us older folks extra high resolution screens make some sense.

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