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While some of us doubtless ignored the iOS 8 hubbub this morning, it's safe to say that Apple's WWDC remains probably the closest-watched developer event in the industry, and likely has since the original iPhone made its debut way back in 2007. The WWDC keynote is where we see the world's most valuable consumer electronics company display how consumers and developers alike will interact with its new [usually software] products. It's a highly visual, buzzword-laden ritual that even many of the most ardent anti-Apple find themselves at least half paying attention to in the background, either on social media, blogs, or live video stream.

As an Android blog, we too pay attention. Not because we all secretly lust after Apple products, but because not concerning ourselves with what's next in iOS isn't really a defensible position to take - points of comparison, technical knowledge, and general awareness of what is happening in the industry at large is a necessary part of our job. Especially in regard to what is by far Android's largest competitor in the marketplace. (I'll admit, we're not paying as close attention to the Windows Phone keynotes.)

Today, Apple announced iOS 8 with a handful of interesting new features, as well as major changes on the developer side. As to the latter, I cannot speak from a point of professional insight - I am not a developer, and know very little about development. On the consumer side, though, Apple gave us plenty to see today, and Android fans like us will likely cry "copycat!" at a fair number of the changes which were unveiled.

Third-party keyboards, Apple keyboard changes

Yes, Apple has finally relinquished its iron grip on input methods in iOS, and is opening the App Store to submissions from third-party keyboard makers like Swype and SwiftKey, the former of which even appeared on a slide during the announcement. Why? While we probably won't ever know exactly what led Apple to this change of heart, there are a great many factors that likely drove the choice to declare open season on Apple's own keyboard.

First and foremost was probably user demand: even Apple has to acknowledge the complaints of its customers to a point, and third-party keyboards have been one of the most demanded iOS features for years. Making users happy makes sense. It also allows customers to personalize the look and feel of their iOS devices more, something Apple has resisted with almost comical stubbornness over iOS's 7-year history.

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Second is almost definitely money. Third-party specialty and premium keyboards often carry a price tag, and many like SwiftKey and Swype sell licenses by the million. Special keyboards for emoji, custom CJK layouts and input methods, and themed keyboards are also substantial revenue generators. Apple takes 30% of that cut, and loses basically nothing by letting iOS users change the input experience, other than some twisted and absurd philosophical battle that has apparently kept this from happening for so long.

Finally, it takes pressure off of Apple to satisfy a never-ending list of user pain points and instead spearhead leading-edge developments in the software keyboard experience. I am sure development of the iOS keyboard will continue in earnest after this announcement, and there is no doubt going to be a greater focus on how that software evolves over the coming years, as opposed to attempting to satisfy more niche consumer demands. The keyboard development team probably experienced a simultaneous massive sigh of relief when this announcement dropped.

Speaking of, Apple also updated the iOS keyboard with - wait for it - a predictive text bar a la SwiftKey! Welcome to 2011, guys.

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All in all - nothing to see here for Android users. Apple has long seemingly intentionally avoided feature parity with Android's input methods, and it seems like they've finally given in.

TestFlight Integration

The iOS App Store will now let developers select users for participation in beta programs. It's not exactly clear how this feature will work, but it sounds like much more of a developer-controlled scheme than what Google introduced with its Google+ community beta tester system, which allows developers to open their apps for public beta testing (or closed, if they so choose) through the company's social network.

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TestFlight sounds much more like Google's staged rollout system, allowing developers to select factors and a test group size in order to distribute an upcoming or beta update on a trial basis, with users having no easy way to express their desire to opt in unless asked by the developer (the user apparently does need to consent).

To be clear, this is not an Apple-developed feature. Rather, TestFlight was an existing service that was acquired by Apple back in February, when it then dropped support for Android.

"Widgets"

Apple's definition of a widget is more like the OS X / Windows definition of a widget. You have a widget area (in this case, a pane on your notification pull-down), and in this area exist some things that are widget-like objects if you're looking at it from an Android perspective. Basically, it's a list of pertinent items linked to apps or functions in iOS that display information and allow the user to interact with that information in a variety of ways.

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via The Verge

One of the more interesting examples displayed by Craig Federighi during the presentation was an eBay widget which showed items he had bid on and items he was watching, but allowed him to increase a bid on an item he was outbid on directly from the notification widget.

To be clear, Apple has not shown any indication these "widgets" will go anywhere but a pane of the notification bar, and it seems highly unlikely they'll ever end up on homescreens. Given Google's increasing distancing efforts on the subject of widgets, one has to wonder what sort of rich, pervasive experiences it wants to integrate in notifications and the Google Now app to replace some of that functionality. Apple's answer essentially seems to be ultra-rich notifications - ongoing, static presences in a separate pane of the notification bar that allow you to customize the sort of information you want to see and be able to act on.

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Apple was fairly sparse on details in regard to iOS widgets, but I'd say they're shooting for something of a Google Now-meets-OS X widgets hybrid here. Presumably, widgets would also be able to notify you of information, and allow you to act on certain information directly from the widget pane. This brings us to the notification changes in iOS, which are actually pretty significant.

Actionable notifications

Yes, Android has had actionable notifications for quite some time. The problem, though, as you've likely noticed, is that very few third-party developers have ever bothered to implement them. Even Google itself seems quite lazy about evolving its version of notification actions, and I can't say I remember the last time I actually used one myself.

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via The Verge

Apple's implementation, though, goes a significant step further than Android's, and in an important way. Instead of merely providing action options tacked on to the notification, iOS 8 will actually allow actions to be completed directly from the notification, without ever leaving the app you're currently in. This is actually very cool. Some examples were simple things like a text message - when the drop down notification for an iMessage comes in, pulling down on it opens a small response window and the keyboard. Hit send, and the notification bar goes back up and you never left the app that was open. Apple is leveraging the notification bar as a go-between to reduce the amount of multitasking you have to do for simple things like quick email replies, calendar events, and liking a Facebook status. You can even act on notifications from the lockscreen.

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via The Verge

No matter how much you dislike iOS, there's no denying this is a genuinely useful feature (even though I'm sure app / OS / ROM X already has something similar, thank you for letting me know). There's no word on the level of third-party integration that will be allowable with this feature, though Apple specifically mentioned that third-party apps would be able to integrate with the new notification center.

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via The Verge

Extensibility

In catch-up news, iOS will finally allow apps to exhibit the intent / picker-like functionality that has existed in Android since, I don't know, ever, and make actions within an app extensible to other apps. This was widely expected, but it's big news for iOS nonetheless. This means you can take a photo in the camera app and then select an "edit" action and open it in the editor of your choice. Or, send a link from Safari directly to Gmail (yes, iOS really cannot do this right now, except with a few, select apps). Or tap an address on Yelp and open it in Google Maps instead of Apple Maps. More than anything, it means the sharing of content will finally open up on iOS beyond the few apps it currently supports for sharing actions.

This is a major functional addition at the OS level that will dramatically increase the sharing potential and interoperability of applications on iOS and it's something that developers will likely leverage heavily as time goes on, particularly since they've kind of sort of been doing it in Android forever.

Why hasn't iOS had this extremely useful feature to date? Who really knows.

Multitasking

With every WWDC, a flurry of rumors about revamped iOS multitasking whirl about like glowsticks at a terrible rave. Rarely do said rumors ever pan out.

They didn't pan out.

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The only major change to multitasking in iOS 8 is the addition of a list of recent contacts above your list of recent apps in the multitasking UI, at best a feature of questionable usefulness, at worst totally unnecessary visual clutter and bloat.

Healthkit

Healthkit is an extremely ambitious, extremely ambiguous new app in iOS that will track every aspect of your health. Diagnostic tools, fitness stats, lab test results, a personal health profile, your current medications, nutrition data, sleep information, vital signs, and a bevy of other biometrics can all allegedly be stored in the Healthkit app.

Apple was typically light on details with Healthkit, as it tends to be with most of its services that attempt to pierce new markets. The basic idea of Healthkit is to integrate with every smart fitness and vital-tracking product you own. This, of course, relies on the makers of those products adding Healthkit support to them. This, in turn, will probably mean introducing new Healthkit-enabled versions of some products, some of which will likely be very expensive and may eschew compatibility with other competing smart health standards.

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In addition, Apple is promising to integrate Healthkit functionality with a number of healthcare providers, including highly popular providers like Kaiser Permanente, and the large Sutter system of hospitals and physicians. They'll be able to send your test results, diagnoses, and drug information to Healthkit. There was a slide with more expansive list of the initial partnered providers, but overall, the goals of Healthkit frankly seem just a bit ahead of reality, if you ask me.

While fitness trackers and smart health accessories are certainly on the rise in some niches, they remain far from mainstream. And the health product and medical service industries have been among the most notoriously stubborn to advance into the smart era, with many hospitals and doctors' offices still pushing off even basic digitization of medical records. Come on - we're talking about the people who begrudgingly abandoned the beeper... in the late 2000s.

If Apple thought it had an uphill battle with the likes of retailers and airlines with Passbook, it has a whole other thing coming with Healthkit. Android obviously doesn't have a remotely comparable feature, but I can't say I blame Google for not developing one - Healthkit reeks of a typical DOA Apple product: overambitious, underexplained, and exceptionally complicated. Don't expect it to make waves any time soon.

Homekit

Homekit is, again, a very vaguely-defined new service that will debut in iOS 8. Its goal is to integrate home automation products with Siri, for the most part, allowing you to use voice commands to control supported smart products. August, Phillips, Honeywell, iHome, TI, and a handful of other manufacturers have partnered with Apple on Homekit so far, and others will likely follow suit.

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Apple gave almost no details about how Homekit will work from a technical perspective, whether existing products will be able to add Homekit support or new ones need to be developed, and didn't even provide a look at the app that would power this feature (if there is one). We know it will work with Siri, and that it will somehow secure all your smart home products such that only your iOS devices can control them.

We know Google is working on home automation. After all, it bought Nest. Whether Homekit is going to be a serious contender in home automation is simply too early a call to make. Such a light description almost definitely means Homekit is still mid-development, and more than likely Apple is saving the "oohs" and "aahs" Homekit will inspire for the next iPhone reveal this fall. For now, it's just an idea.

Photos and auto-backup

You've used Google's built-in editor in the Google Photos and you have Google+ photo backup turned on? Great, you're now an expert on the new Photos functionality in iOS 8. Go out and spread the gospel we've all had preached to us by our great Googly overlords for the last year-plus. Oh, one thing: iOS will charge you more for your iCloud-based storage, because reasons.

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Continuity

What in the hell is "continuity," you rightly and understandably ask? Basically, it's platform (OS X / iOS) and device (tablet, laptop, phone) unification for multiple features all piled into a single, not particularly useful word, so let's break it down.

Let's say you're working on a Numbers sheet on your MacBook, and you walk into the kitchen to get something to drink, and grab your iPad. Your iPad, even on the lockscreen, already shows a small picture of the Sheets icon on the lower-left corner. Pull on it, and the sheet you were working on with your MacBook will pop up on your iPad exactly where you left off.

This kind of functionality is all of course enabled by the iCloud iWork integration, allowing you to jump from device to device to complete the same task you were working on without having to save as you go. Apple will expand this feature to 3rd-party apps using "iCloud Drive," essentially similar to Google Drive app integration, allowing services to sync users' data to iCloud so that it is persistent across all their iCloud-enabled devices. The functionality will also work with apps like Mail, Photos, iMessage, and other Apple staples.

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Have you used Google Drive, Docs, Sheets, or Presentations? Congratulations, you've been living in the future for a few years already! Granted, Google doesn't passively alert you to these things like iOS's continuity feature will and 3rd-party integration remains pretty sparse, but it's the same basic principle (live cloud-synced documents and files).

It's the same for the "improved" AirDrop, which now sends files from OS X to iOS devices over your Wi-Fi network. Well, except it's actually probably still a little bit worse than Dropbox or even Google Drive since it requires a local Wi-Fi network to function.

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The next pieces in the continuity puzzle are texting and calling, which admittedly even Google doesn't quite have down yet on its Hangouts platform. iOS will now let you send and receive SMSs on any iOS or OS X device in iMessage regardless of where they came from (eg, Android phones). It also now allows you to make or answer calls from your desktop just like you would on your iPhone. It's not clear if this is being accomplished via Wi-Fi or Bluetooth, but I'm guessing the former.

Hangouts is still missing some of the pieces in regard to this kind of SMS / call functionality on the desktop, though I can't imagine Google isn't working on something similar. Given iOS 8 doesn't ship till this fall, Google still has quite a while to reach feature parity with iMessage, something they're undoubtedly aware of.

Finally, continuity allows you to automatically start your phone in hotspot mode from your laptop without a need to set up or touch the device. That's definitely handy.

iMessage

Continuity wasn't the only area where Apple beefed up iMessage. The client now supports an even richer experience - you can send self-destructing audio and video in iMessage (or persistent), and group chat now supports the ability to leave a conversation as well as share locations among the chat's members. Chat-specific DNDs have been implemented, attachments are now shown in bulk in the chat details area.

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Many of these are features Google's Hangouts still lacks, and admittedly, Hangouts has been one of the most often complained-about products Google has launched in recent memory. Given, though, that Hangouts is supported across iOS, Android, PC, Chrome OS, OS X, and anything that can run the Chrome browser, though, Hangouts still does have a major interoperability advantage, one that's not likely to disappear any time soon.

Still, iMessage's newest features are enviable ones, and I would kill for some more fine-grained notification control / DND on Hangouts.

iTunes / App Store family sharing, app bundles

Realizing that many families share not just devices and platform but apps themselves, Apple's new family sharing feature is actually pretty nice. It allows up to 6 people in a family group, all under the same credit card (not clear if that means same account), to share and manage all content they buy and download from iTunes and the App Store. Permissions can be delegated such that a family leader has to authorize purchases for certain group members (children), so that the chance of Johnny racking up $800 in Candy Crush debt is greatly diminished. For families, this feature will undoubtedly be very useful, so long as it's intuitive enough to use that people will take the time to enable it.

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All content purchased from iTunes or the App Store can be shared among family members, so there's no need to pay twice. This will understandably miff content creators and developers a bit, as it reduces their chance to double-dip in the same household, but it makes a lot of sense and sounds very convenient.

Android does not currently have a comparable feature, though Android tablets do have multi-user support while the iPad does not (though iOS does have the "restrictions" system that can be very useful when handing your devices off to young children).

One last tidbit was app bundles, which allows developers to sell their applications in bundles for a reduced price to buyers. This is basically about getting developers more money, and the potential for abuse, if you ask me, is damn high - this could turn into a free-for-all in the casual gaming arena, with developers selling "bundle packs" of crappy content add-ons to squeeze money out of players.

Siri is still here or something

Everyone's least-favorite personal assistant got a quick nod at WWDC, adding support for hotword activation (WHERE EVER COULD THEY HAVE DIVINED SUCH AN IDEA FROM) - "Hey, Siri" - and dropping in Shazzam-sourced song recognition with iTunes integration. Siri also now supports 22 new dictation languages, and has enhanced voice recognition. Hooray!

Google Now laughs at your shenanigans.

Conclusion

iOS 8 still hasn't been detailed closely enough for us to have a clear picture of just what Android is up against, but that's what happens at every WWDC. It's not until we see the flagship hardware iOS 8 will be attached that things really come into focus, and for that, we'll have to wait till fall.

My preliminary opinion? Apple seems very much full-steam ahead on making iOS a more serious, capable mobile operating system. While it doesn't seem like iOS will be getting more open any time soon, it does appear that with things like actionable notifications, widgets, and Apple's "continuity" features that the "bumper-bowling" operating system will be gaining more power-user appeal. Granted, Android still has a great many advantages, like customization, superior voice control, deep Google integration, outstanding sync, and fine-grain control over many functions on your device. Not to mention a much wider choice of hardware, and less restrictions on interoperability - I don't need a Chromebook to take advantage of Android's cross-platform features, whereas with Apple, if I want the full experience I need a shiny new aluminum companion.

Still, iOS 8 does appear to be addressing many of the core concerns critics have voiced in regard to the operating system over the years, and so it's very interesting to see Apple moving the software in this direction. I'm certainly eager to update my iPad, I'll say that much.

David Ruddock
David's phone is an HTC One. He is an avid writer, and enjoys playing devil's advocate in editorials, imparting a legal perspective on tech news, and reviewing the latest phones and gadgets. He also doesn't usually write such boring sentences.

  • markg

    Android Q1 2014 shipments; 241m

    iPhone Q1 2014 shipments; 44m

    iOS "new" features were introduced in Android 1.5, Cupcake back in April 2009. Android platform distribution dashboard has 100% coverage for this version.... Whilst apple were still getting copy and paste working on a iPhone, Google already had that and all today's "new" iOS features already in the bag.
    
    Shove that on your slides and smoke it,

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Man you sure did read 3500 words fast are you a wizard

    • RajivSK

      Who had it first is only relevant to a fanboy (omg I never thought I would need to use that word) Any regular consumer should only be concerned with the current features of both competitors. And right now, I must say the gap is smaller than ever.

      • DrakeTungsten

        When Apple uses claims of inventing things to try to sue Android out of existence, it ought to be relevant. But unfortunately the US court system somewhat agrees with you.

        • Matt W

          You know most of the patents in the Samsung suit were filed by Apple before Google existed...

      • http://tech.gtaero.net/ Navarr Barnier

        The reason us Android fans keep lauding on Google having it first is because Apple keeps calling it "innovative."

        Apple fans are happy that the features are catching up, and Android fans are looking forward to how our platform is going to retaliate against any potential improvements.

        • Frettfreak

          right!! "THEY STARTED IT!!!" LMAO!!!!

        • http://thepolymath.in/ Deepansh Khurana

          Navarr basically summed it up, it's just a defence for Apple's innovation argument. Plus Tim Cook says people who switched to Apple are happier in life. Lol. :D

          • Matt W

            That's actually true.

        • Matt W

          Please point us to when someone called one of these features innovative (in this thread, in the keynote, in the tech press, anywhere).

          I believe they called continuity innovative (it is) and maybe the Health thing.

    • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

      Hmm. iPhone: one single series of devices, with only 6 device options. Android: over 600 device options, which means per device you have about 0.4 million. Or per brand, you have about 18 mil or less. Just saying. You seem a bit uninformed...

      • joser116

        Of course if you buy an Android, you are not going to go out and buy all other Android phones. When you buy an Android, you buy an Android. An Android is an Android. Not sure if I got my point across.

        • enomele

          Nope. Could you please clarify?

        • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

          Yes, but the fact is, selling 241 million android phones is not a result of exceptional marketing, rather just a result of flooding the market with too many devices to count. The percent chance of someone who doesn't have any preference picking up and Android is higher coz there are literally hundreds of them. That is not a business strategy that is an issue. And the worst part is the pathetic support companies give their non-flagships. It makes the OS experience completely garbage.

          I don't know if that makes sense, but basically, it stands to reason there are more android phones in the market, because the devices have diluted the market.

          And I'm not saying that makes Android worse, I am saying it is a horrible way to measure success.

          • joser116

            No it's not. It's a good way. You know why? There wouldn't be tons of Android devices if Android wasn't good. OEMs wouldn't just keep making Android devices if they weren't successful. There is a reason for why there are tons of Android devices, cause there is a market for them and people want them. If Android wasn't successful, there wouldn't be hundreds of devices flooding the market IN THE FIRST PLACE.

            And again, support is not Android's problem, it's the OEMs. There are OEM's with excellent customer support like Motorola.

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            Absolutely not. There are wo approaches to introducing a product to market. Make a single, heavily researched, high-investment product, or introducing many many mildly different forms of the product and hope something bites. Apple chose the first route, Googe chose the second. Neither is specifically good or bad. Both companies have seen mind boggling success, but Google's success also comes in through other sources such as advertising, and their non-phone based business. So its hard to just blandly compare the two.

            Support is Androids problem. Windows has terrific support. I'm not talking about OEMs I'm talking about Microsofts own support provided for any version of windows on any computer. Android is missing that which is something I hope will be addressed in the future.

          • joser116

            Google did not choose the second, you know why? Cause Google just made one product, Android, for which then many phones could be made from it. It's a little thing that I am just pointing out. Here it is in more detail: You said the second approach is to introduce "many many mildly different forms of the product and hope something bites". Google itself technically did not do that with Android. Saying so would technically be incorrect.

            OEMs wouldn't make hundreds of Android devices if they didn't see success. There wouldn't be 241 million Android phones shipped in that period without a reason. They wouldn't ship those phones just for nothing. Case in point, phones with Android were seeing success, so that led to the creation of many more Android devices. So yes, it IS a good way to measure success.

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            You clearly have no idea how desperately google begged companies to begin adopting android. If you knew, you would beg the internet to permanently delete your last two statements.

          • joser116

            OK, now a different comment. Good one.

            I know that, Google did work hard in the beginning yes. True. There is nothing wrong with that. And that work paid off and it got companies to see that Android is good and now Google doesn't have to beg.

          • Chris

            I wouldn't say beg. I'd say they marketed the possibilities of an innovative and easy to-integrate-ecosystem. Now, when speaking of begging, you have several of new startup companies begging Google for approval (so guidelines are met) to use their services.

            But in the end, each company is achieving exactly what their business model was originally based off of. Despite success and market share, both companies are satisfied with their success.

          • Sootie

            You're praising Microsoft support, really?

          • Matt W

            It's good enough for free. You wouldn't use 99% of those 241 million devices. No one on this site would. So why count them? Why be proud of them? Are they making developers money? (No)

          • joser116

            What do you mean by good enough for free. And they ARE making developers money, so your statement is simply technically false, even though they are not making as much as with iOS, but Android is improving in that regard.

          • Aarin David Williams I

            amen!!!

          • Rodrigo Gomes da Silva

            Still, I can use my play account in any of Android devices, syncronize between they, use the same apps in any S.O version and have most of google services and apps in a 4 years hardware...
            Companies support? Not a issue for me, we have internet for it...

      • Yuuki

        hmm the s4 sold 40 million as of october 2013 mostlikey more by now.
        The s5 sold 11 milion in may 2015.

        you seem uninformed with your 18 mill guess....

        Also you should note that its says shipment, not sold.
        This is a mayor difference too.
        Sold = shop to consumer
        shipment = builder to shop.

    • Matt W

      A guy earlier told us it was unfair to compare iPhones to anything but the Nexus line so your use of those numbers is inappropriate. How many of those devices run 4.1? All of the iPhones shipped in the last quarter ran 7.1. By the way ahy are you comparing an OS to a Phone? Apple shipped quite a few iPads in that quarter...

      • joser116

        I only said it was less fair to compare iPhones to anything but the Nexus line WHEN IT COMES TO UPDATES.

  • remister

    Truthfully, what groundbreaking thing has Apple introduced since Steve Jobs (RIP). It seems like its more cleanup work of what been introduced by other companies (Blackberry, Google, Nokia).

    • joser116

      Just the iPhone, a crippled iPhone (iPod touch), and a mega iPhone (iPad).

      • Frettfreak

        LMFAO!! SO TRUE THOUGH. Everything is just the iphone, scaled up or down with stripped features on some models!! nice

        • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

          So... the majority of android phones are identical with different branding? Please make intelligible arguments if at all. Don't argue nonsense just because its floating around in your brain.

          • Joe Pas

            You are the sole voice of reason in this terrible, terrible series of comments.

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            Thank you sir.

          • joser116

            We are saying the groundbreaking things that Apple has introduced, which pales in comparison to what Google has done across a wide range of products and businesses that are notable. It was a joke though anyways, it is not entirely accurate, I must admit. It was just a summing up of the most notable things that can easily come to someone's mind.

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            Okay, so you're basically saying that Apple's approach, which is to make everything no matter how small, work seamlessly with the rest of the platform, is a waste of time and that the focus of a company should be to release unnecessary flood of mostly unused features?

            I am, of course, referring to the oh so brilliant features such as S Health, Android Beam, NFC, Dual Camera, Moto Skip, HTC Zoe, and eye-tracking that failed to catch on, or simply made life even harder than it was before. These features are designed for the likes of you who believe that sheer quantity trumps great quality.

            You and android deserve each other.

          • joser116

            "Okay, so you're basically saying that Apple's approach, which is to make everything no matter how small, work seamlessly with the rest of the platform, is a waste of time and that the focus of a company should be to release unnecessary flood of mostly unused features?" - I never said that. I actually like that approach.

            And I was not referring to those features that you are talking about. And just because something doesn't catch on does not meant it is not innovative, like NFC/Android Beam or Moto Skip. The others are not even things that Google has done. Besides, your comment was off topic anyway. We have gotten off track, me since I replied to your comment. I recommend you go back to my comment and see what I am really saying.

          • joser116

            And I do not believe that sheer quantity trumps great quality. To put it simply, it is a false statement. I never even mentioned those features nor have they ever crossed my mind today, until you mentioned them.

          • Matt W

            Like what? What new product has Google actually released since 2008? Google Fiber and....... Oh yeah nothing and Fiber is only in a few tiny markets.

            Seriously. Name one released product. The Nexus tablet I suppose, that was more of a reaction. You guys get worked up when Apple copies a feature or two, I know you are about to call Google copying an entire product innovative. Google Glass? Oh I forgot, not actually a product yet.

          • joser116

            It doesn't matter if it's released or not. It matters that they are working on them and the project is real.
            Yes, Google Fiber is. It doesn't matter if it's only in a few cities.
            Google Glass, also innovative, even though it hasn't been officially released to the masses. It doesn't matter in this situation. You can buy it if you are in the US. I doubt the current Glass model and price is going to be the release model and price.
            Hold on, I will update this with more.

  • ProductFRED

    They're seriously trying to become Android without actually becoming Android. I love how when you point out that Android (and even Windows Phone) has had these "features", Apple apologists jump to, "BUT APPLE DOES IT BETTER!"

    Seriously, "Hi, Siri" ???? Give me a break!

    • numpty

      Well, to be fair, speaking as both an Android and an Apple fan, they often do.

      • ProductFRED

        Before today, iOS apps could not [easily] communicate with one another. You had no USB mass storage/[usable] MTP. No widgets. No third party keyboards. Literally one-size-fits-all hardware (per device type). Etc, etc.

        The thing about iOS is that, while it is generally more stable than Android, and less fragmented (a big issue with Android/OEMs), you sacrifice a lot of freedom and standard features for that. Additionally, the perception that Android is buggy as hell ("apps crash all the time!") is partly fueled by the fact that it is a more complex operating system (or at least what the user sees). For example, on iOS, apps crash straight to the home screen with no error message. Nobody complains. On Android, you get "Unfortunately, *APP* has force closed". The average user goes ballistic.

        The thing about Apple is that you have to beg them to add these standard features before they're implemented. And even then, they try to make them as proprietary as possible. iOS has more polish. I'll give it that. But I'd rather have freedom to do what I want.

        • RajivSK

          I agree with most of your points but I do envy the presentation and polish of iOS. Yes Android looks great for me right now, custom rom, launchers, icon packs, etc.. But still, I can't help to see the seems everywhere.

          While I'm not likely to switch, I would really like Google to pay attention and up their game on polish and implementation of useful features like the actionable notifications. Somehow, while it has definitely become more stable, still feels like a tech demo sometimes.

          If anything I'm really happy that Apple is finally implementing a lot of the missing features users have been asking for. It will up the pressure on Google to do the same in the areas where they have been lacking.

          • Sootie

            I agree with you, or I did, I had been using an s4 with all of the samsung rubbish on it for about a year but when the warranty run out I threw CM 11 on it (not saying you have to just comparing a close to vanilla android experience to a heavily skinned one) and what a difference, I had become used to getting double notifications for things (sms's calendar appointments) crashing apps, poor battery life and just generally bad performance and the feeling that everything was a bit disjointed.

            As soon as I put CM on it everything just worked better, I didn't even bother putting another launcher back on it or mucking around with customization I just grabbed the couple of apps I use all the time, setup my email accounts and marvelled at how much prettier everything was and how much nicer it all worked. The current android 4.4 is an extremely nice thing and its finally all starting to work as a ceremonious whole.

          • JD

            yep I come from a long line of Galaxy Devices as well as using other Flagships like the HTC One and LG G2 and moto x.

            The last one I used and my current daily driver is the Nexus 5 my first time using Nexus and has made me a big fan. The Other devices I used were good but something about the simplicity/minimalism of stock and its snappy performance gives me more satisfaction than flashing tons of different roms, mods, launchers and themes.

            as of Right now the HTC One and Nexus 5 are the only android device I will even consider, if they didn't exist I would be using the iphone for sure.

          • num1gever

            You need to remember one thing though: until about ICS, Android was not meant to be a Well Polished, Eye candy OS. Those things were accomplished by giving the users (and OEM's) the freedom to customize their OS as they wish. Just like when the Nexus phones were mainly targeted for developers to be able to debug their apps with "open hardware". So it wasn't until the Galaxy Nexus that Google started to think about the device's design and feel.

          • http://brgulker.wordpress.com/ brgulker

            I'd say that Android looks terrible on the majority of Android phones, because Touchwhiz and Samsung market dominance.

          • AnonGuy

            TouchWiz looks better than Stock Android, for me, and the stock apps it presents are a bit more competitive with their iOS counterparts.
            I like how people talk about how Android is full of features... Yes, if you use an OEM device like Samsung, LG, or HTC. Not a Nexus/Stock Android device. Google's apps are, in some cases, even more feature thin than their iOS counterparts. Chrome, Google Calendar, Google Camera, Gmail and the AOSP Email App, Hangouts, etc. are all at a significant feature and usability deficit compared to their apple counterparts on iOS. Even apps like Snapseed, QuickOffice, etc. can't even compete with what Apple is giving away to its users (iLife and iWorks).
            Also, I freaking hate the dull dark, sharply angled stock Android UI/UX. It just looks ugly, and it's depressing to look at.

          • cgprats

            The nexus on safe mode or no appsapps on it but you can download apps that do it
            That's the beauty of android

          • JD

            yeah only Stock on the Nexus 5 and Sense 6 on the HTC One M8 look good imo.

          • I-C-E-D

            You're getting your wish with Project L :3

        • joser116

          iOS is NOT generally more stable than Android. Have you seen the latest studies? And I am sure that iOS will become even less stable now that all these "new" features like apps talking to each other and "widgets" have been added. It is true though what you say about the iOS vs Android app crash process.

          • K

            Biased much? You conveniently forgot about Swift which while enable much safer and stable apps that highly reduce any chance of memory management errors. But this is Android Police, I don't expect much from the commenters on here lol.

          • Kevin Kuo

            It has just been released, it has yet to live up to those claims.

          • JayEvans

            Just been announced... Actual release is months away. (developer beta don't count as released)

          • Kevin Kuo

            Swift is available today for developers to use. It an actual release, not a beta.

          • Frettfreak

            So cause apple said "its the best thing since sliced bread" you drank the kool aid and asked for more?? Arent you on the wrong site: http://www.imore.com

          • joser116

            Nope, I did not conveniently forget about Swift. I experienced the whole keynote in detail. And I did not state a fact, it was just an assumption based on the fact that iOS is becoming ever more complex. We will have to wait until it is actually released. Was that biased enough for you? Making generalizations like what you said about Android Police is no good. I like to see things both ways.

          • Yuku Sugianto

            Actually I do envy Swift.
            Not the code visualizations, but the language itself.
            Android is still using java 7 without the try with resources syntax.

          • joser116

            Yeah, I hate that about Android. I want Google to completely rewrite Android, this time with a clear path to upgrades.

            However, we still have yet to see how Swift pans out.

          • RestfullBull

            I think scala does android. And hopefully now google will work hard on dev tools.

          • JD

            i hear ya I tried dabbling in coding both in xcode and eclipse via lynda.com xcode felr more complete and easier eclipse was frustrating at first but as I started to understand the language it wasn't too bad but still not as good as xcode.

            I stopped all together though because my talents lean more toward the visually creative side.

          • Matt W

            How many devices does that more stable Android run on? The only version that was seen as more stable was 4.1 and that study was pretty questionable. Were talking about something 91% of Android devices (that is the real number) can not run.

          • joser116

            This link proves everything you said wrong. Even with Gingerbread, Android has been more stable
            http://www.phonearena.com/news/Android-4.x-is-more-than-twice-as-stable-as-iOS-7.1_id54459

          • http://www.thedigitalorchard.ca/ Ted Wood

            Those "facts" are based on data sent by apps that have integrated Crittercism's own product. How is that a fair assessment of the overall platform and all apps running on the platform? Answer: it's not.

          • joser116

            You replied quite fast. Are you sure you read carefully?

            There was another test besides that one that proved the same. Regardless, I have not seen any tests that prove iOS is more stable, yet there ARE tests that prove that Android is more stable.

          • Sean

            As no developer has ever used switch (and it won't be available before fall) you just take Apples word for it. Come back again, when it has been actually proven that it works. BTW App Inventor for Android is great.

          • http://www.stevenmattera.com Steven Mattera

            I've already read the documentation on Swift and personally I'm glad they are keeping Objective-C support. Swift is like the bastard child of C# and GO. No Thanks! I don't care what speed improvement I'm missing my applications run fine by them self because I know how to manage my memory.

          • http://www.thedigitalorchard.ca/ Ted Wood

            You are "sure", eh? Have you considered the possibility that Apple wanted to make sure the inter-application APIs were stable and reliable before releasing them to developers? iOS is definitely more stable than Android. Prove otherwise.

          • joser116
        • arcreigh

          here is where I must disagree with you with android any kid could make an app put it up on the market give it a price tag and have it not work at all and they would still get paid for it, with apple each app has to work before it is allowed to be put on the App Store. also apple while yes has been slow on somethings is a push pull company all these device companies are. they push and pull each other to do better. its the same war with amd and intel, these companies must push each other in order to have something better come out. notice apple has made their move now it is androids turn. in my honest opinion apple has always appealed to me because 1 I don't have to worry about buying a new device to get a new feature every year. as a matter of fact average life(unless you break your device of course) is about 4 years I would say before being completely phased out of new updates. now compare that to android. look how many phones are out for that operating system. this is problematic. rather then making a operating system work for each device, which btw due to the fact that their are soooo many devices out there for android would be hell for the team in charge of that, instead android devices are made for the operating system. this leaves much error on the hardware side of things. as you can see there is much issue with android. now don't call me fanboy at all I am just pointing out my view on this technological world. right now android seems highly unstable. first smartphone I had was an htc evo 4g... that phone is TERRIBLE, battery life is disgusting and don't even get me started on that touch screen... BIGGER is not always BETTER. oh yes you may have a bigger touch screen but how nice is the actual screen itself? my experience came to a screeching halt when the touch screen decided to believe my finger was touching the screen when it wasn't at all. If you want to argue which OS is more stable IOS is by far way above android. that is with my experience. also to install an app on that "sd" card I had to download the android sdk and "hack" the phone just to install an app... very poor design.. however!! please note that is the only android phone i have had. so this opinion is based on that one phone!

          • joser116

            Not all apps on Android are bad. There are many good and great apps. Apps in Android can also do more. There are Android devices which have vastly superior battery life and screens than an iPhone. Now about the update problems, compare Apple devices to Nexus device updates. Now it's fair. Now all your comments about stability, they are simply false. Android has been proven more stable in all stability studies that I have read. Google it. This fact is made even more amazing based on the fact that Android is more complex than Apple and iOS is barely catching up to the complexity of Android based on the iOS 8 announcement. Also, Apple is no longer #1 in customer satisfaction. It is not even #2 or #3. Just get a good Android device. That Evo 4G is ancient. Thanks for acknowledging that your opinion is based on that phone. That alone brings most of your comment down. Yes, Apple is slow to implement features, and when they do, they are often more polished, but it's just the fact that Apple FREQUENTLY and BLATANTLY copies those feature from others, and calls it revolutionary, to the point that it is very notable.

          • John Lee

            Ever used Chrome on a stock Galaxy Nexus!?

          • saf1927

            Chrome is a resource hog, but I can't live without it lol

          • joser116

            I haven't. Chrome is generally characterized as not having a very good user experience in low end phones. But the app has improved. I use it on my Moto G and no problems.

            Even then, you can't use one app to speak for all apps.

          • Matt W

            If all we are allowed to compare are Apple's and Nexus devices than Apple has 10x the market share of Google...

          • joser116

            That's just theoretically. Apple does not.

            Also, I merely stated that a fairer update comparison would be between Apple and Nexus devices.

          • http://www.stevenmattera.com Steven Mattera

            "here is where I must disagree with you with android any kid could make an app put it up on the market give it a price tag and have it not work at all and they would still get paid for it"

            You did hear the beginning of the Keynote when Tim said the youngest developer in the room was 13. FYI... Age != Bad Programmer. Surprising enough a lot of really bad apps come from grown individuals over in India.

          • RTWright

            I had an Evo 4G and you're stupid if you felt it had the worst of everything. That phone was not that big to begin with as far as screen size goes. Also ANY phone that you use on a hardcore level, as in the screen being on more than off, will run down the battery quickly. I don't care WHO makes it or what kind of battery is in it. Play games on it? You bet, it's going down faster than the clothes off of a strip-tease dancer. The people who adore Apple are jaded at best, blinded by their own guiding light. I've used Apple products for a long time, using one RIGHT now as I'm typing this. They're no better than anyone else and have issues just like everyone else. But because they HIDE most of that buy how it handles crashes, etc... You get this illusion that they don't crash, they don't this, they don't that. Apple is just good at hiding things from the average user.

            I used my Evo4G for over 2 years, the only problem I had was HTC crapped on us with any kind of updates. Instead they went on to make bitter upgraded versions of it that weren't worth really going to. That and how they treated customers overall made it miserable at that time. But that phone was awesome for the time I owned it, now I'm using a GS3 and while it's far superior to what my Evo was, it still has a lot of the same issues with battery life. It's no better than my Evo was.

            As for OEM's fragmentation of the OS? Yeah, just think though, if there was a STANDARDIZATION of how Hardware was designed? This wouldn't be an issue anymore. In other words, lets take something from Apple here. The Accessory Attachment at the bottom of all iPhones is identical from one to the other now. If the Android OEM's would do this across the board, make sure all their devices had the same ( We do with the micro USB ) design around this? It would be no different than the iPhone and Accessories wouldn't be such an issue. Then the only problem is the Fit, because some Android phones are much smaller and bigger in size differences from one to the other. Just means they'd have to make sure Accessory design was not a size limited design.

            But we'll never see such things because all of these companies ( Including Apple in this ) are too greedy and only want you to buy and use their logo exclusive accessories pretty much. But the OS in my opinion is just as stable as iOS, it's the Apps that typically aren't and there is a lot of reasons for that. As in a lot of OEM reasons for that. Not all phones have the exact same hardware so software will behave differently due to hardware architecture. That's just simply how it goes. Same issues we have with Windows based computers. That's the ONLY place Apple has an up on us!

          • http://brgulker.wordpress.com/ brgulker

            as a matter of fact average life(unless you break your device of course) is about 4 years I would say before being completely phased out of new updates.

            That is hilariously untrue.

          • joser116

            I am with you. Also, how did you do that quoting thing?

          • http://brgulker.wordpress.com/ brgulker

            Disqus accepts HTML tags. I can't type them in exactly, because they then get applied! A quick google search for disqus and html will get you the info!

          • 1966CAH

            "apple has always appealed to me because 1 I don't have to worry about buying a new device to get a new feature every year." This may be the first time I've ever heard OS stagnation seriously claimed as a feature...

        • Tomi Gjeka

          Android is more stable than iOS on crashing apps

        • mjku

          "The thing about iOS is that, while it is generally more stable than Android"

          Not according to all the reports that have hit the interwebz.

    • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

      Well, I have always professed apple's shittiness until iOS 7. Now I have a Mac and an iPhone, so they're obviously doing something right...

      • joser116

        They are: copying features of others and marketing them well.

        • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

          Just so you know, Android rips off features and markets them poorly, so the ripping off isn't unique to cupertino.
          Oh, and there is no Android support to speak off. Sure you can call HTC or Sammy, but their reps are pretty much clueless about the underlying software

          • joser116

            "Android rips of features"- Please be much more specific. Even then, they don't do it as blatantly as Apple and not anywhere near as frequently as Apple does.

            "Markets them poorly" Doesn't really matter here.

            About the Android support, you just have to choose the right OEM, like Motorola. I do agree that Android support is generally a weak spot of Android, but it is not Android's problem, it's the OEM's problem.

            Fun fact: did you know that Apple is no longer #1 in customer satisfaction? It is not even 2nd or 3rd.

          • wqe

            Your iPhone is completely useless without Google apps and services.

          • Dre

            I have my google contacts, mail and calendar synced on my iPhone. That's just because I was already using those services before I got the iPhone... Otherwise... all that + more, Apple already has provided.

          • Dre

            And in no way do I want to bash any of the google services... they're good... really good!
            In my opinion.. Apple just has a better (slower... but better) way of merging, polishing and yes.. even marketing.. their products.

          • joser116

            It is not better all the time. We don't mind if Apple takes time on adding features, it's just that they take WAY too long on some, BLATANTLY and FREQUENTLY copy, then speak wonders about it.

          • AndroidPipa

            Your reasoning is getting old already... So what. Grow up

          • joser116

            There's no weight behind your comment so I can't possibly take you seriously. And about the growing up part, really? What made you say that?

          • JD

            you forgot to mention they bash android and even android users on stage then immediately introduce "new features" from the very platform they were bashing.

          • JD

            I love android but I have to agree.

            I guess we all forgot about the story of the tortes and the hare.

          • Matt W

            I have not used a Google App or Service on my iPhone for years. Google did lose about 75% of their mobile revenue when they lost iOS maps though.

          • joser116

            Show me proof for your last statement.

          • TRACE

            Google search and youtube that you mister use everyday is google service as well :)

          • AnonGuy

            Even on my Android phone, the only thing I use is Google Search (because I don't feel like changing the default - lazy :-P ), Google Maps (it's a default app), and YouTube.
            Gmail I only use for Play Store emails. I don't have anything in Google Calendar. My Contacts aren't there. Google does terrible at tasks, so that surely isn't there...
            I use Outlook.com for PIM (Email, Contacts, Calendar, Tasks) via EAS. I find the Samsung Stock Email app to be better than Google's GMail app, anyways... I use Office Mobile, OneNote Mobile, OneDrive, and Microsoft Remove Desktop Client (have Windows 8 Pro). I use SMS/MMS and Facebook Messenger.
            Google Drive, Play Music, Play Movies, Play Books, Play Games, Play Newsstand, Google Chrome, Picasa Uploader are all disabled.
            And as a result, I get a first class services integration/user experience on both my mobile device and my PC. You can't get that with Google. They're pretty terrible on the desktop unless you want to live in a browser window.

          • JD

            Wow you don't even use Play Music?? You have to be joking Google Play Music all access is hands down the best streaming service period it has features from every major competitor like spotify, pandora and others plus even features the others don't have not to mention I can find music on GPAA that I can't find on spotify.

            I never use to use google apps either, but I have found that until you actually try them out for a test run for at least a week and give them a chance they seem meh.

            Its not until you actually start using them regularly that you realize how useful they are.

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            i would agree except the collection is very much incomplete. lots of big artists are missing..

          • AnonGuy

            I've been using Android since 2010. I don't use them and I do not pay for music subscription services, especially not one that's missing most of the music I look for which I'd available at Amazon or other services without issues.

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            agreed

          • mjku

            "Just so you know, Android rips off features and markets them poorly, so the ripping off isn't unique to cupertino."

            Except that Apple is the one accusing everybody of copying, make these moves hypocritical at best.

            "Oh, and there is no Android support to speak off. Sure you can call HTC or Sammy, but their reps are pretty much clueless about the underlying software"

            What? Android isn't something that's sold. If you bought a Samsung phone you call Samsung. Why is that so hard to understand?

          • AnonGuy

            That was his point. IF you call them, they're clueless, and he's right. Support on the Android platform is terrible compared to iOS and Windows Phone, where you can walk into an Apple or Microsoft store (or make an appointment) and someone with a clue will help you.
            .
            Even Amazon does much better than these OEMs with their Mayday system.
            .
            Google's support for its services is beyond terrible. I've called Microsoft and gotten help on issues with their software/services. Don't even bother trying to call Google.

          • mjku

            "That was his point. IF you call them, they're clueless, and he's right."

            No, he's not. They "know" their software just as much as one of those coffee baristas disguised as Apple "geniuses" know their software. You reach tech support either way. Now, you might think it's more convenient to be able to walk into a store to have the issue taken care of, but that has nothing to do with how knowledgeable the tech support staff is.

            And as far as Google's support goes: I suppose you're just able to call up Apple about their services willy-nilly? No. Apple's stores offer hardware support.

            And before you go off on Google's hardware support, I've had absolutely no issues with them. When I had a defective device, they sent a new one out immediately. The whole ordeal was over within the week, and no questions asked.

            Apple's hardware support is great, but you make it sound like you're better off taking a stroll through hell than deal with anybody else's tech support or something, which is 100% not the case (unless it's Asus, they really are awful, but only in the US).

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            No. HTC's only solution to a problem is "reset the device"

            No internet service? reset.
            Screen is too dim? Reset.
            Oh, the phone doesn't turn on? Try resetting it.

            All actual experiences I have had.

            Samsung:
            Oh, your data connection won't switch off? just read the manual. It tells you how to do it.
            Oh you can't make outgoig calls? there's a section in the manual for it i think

            Again all real experiences

            That's what I mean by the support for Android is non-existant. Sure, I can call samsung, but the people I call are all just probably washing machine support or microwave support who have to deal with mobile as well.

      • atlouiedog

        Or maybe you're doing something wrong.

        • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

          Really? Why? Because I decided I liked the way the iPhone worked? because my opinion is different from yours? good to know. Next time I need to make a decision I'll be sure to pass it by you.

          • Chris

            Welcome to the internet.

          • Olivier Zanchetta

            Well, I have always professed apple's shittiness until iOS 7. Now I have
            a Mac and an iPhone, so they're obviously doing something right...

            haha just read yourself man!

          • joser116

            He never stated WHAT you are doing wrong. Just saying

          • beatt

            "ios7 and 8 are garbage and just rips off from android."

            Guys like you are just blind horses that get lashed on the back and like it.

            If were talking about rip off's, Android ripped of an mobile OS from Apple, Apple ripped of an Mobile OS from Microsoft.

            Or Devices ripped off multi-touch technology from Apple.

            As Apple ripped of other things from other devices or OS's.

            People should thank companies they rip off, because that way they can open new ways for that "ripped off" technology to be worked and improved. Thats how we advance. Google has his view for an OS and Apple has other.

            I develop for both systems, and the both have bad things implemented, that the other has done well. I loved WWDC because in some way Apple recognized that google did well in this cases and went for it too. The only people that wins with this is us as developers or users. Because with this the narrow between the OS's was narrow a lot.

            And just one thing iOS 7 with jailbreak is a totally different OS if you really want to put in that way lets go get all the bullshit roms of android that put a bad name to "android" that are free in the world.

          • joser116

            Stfu, you replied to the wrong person

          • JD

            your one ignorant developer if you think jailbreaking is even close to using roms, xposed framework, themes, launchers, mods icons pack and every other endless customizing options on android wether through system level changes or features implemented through apps.

          • Aarin David Williams I

            just step down and stop talking. your on a android forum talking shit to people who know a hell of alot more than you. and second of all, i have an iphone 4S running on shitty ios7 and jailbroken to where i have ios 6 ui on it. ios7 and 8 are garbage and just rips off from android. have you not read the article?? you just went to apple because they ripped the features from android and put an apple logo on it?? that is just sad......

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            Look whose uneducated now. No. I got an iPhone because it was a better buy than any of the android phones. Still like android, but iOS is far from a ripoff. and far better for my use...
            Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities.

          • JD

            Nexus 5 > iphone 5s

            I owned both at one point ios 7 looks great I actually like it being a person in graphic design and motion graphics it is definitely more refined.

            But my experience on the N5 was not only faster but far more stable. I would have constant app crashes, over heating and even app crashes during games on the i5s. I even wiped the phone clean and started over hoping it would help and I even had a update come in and the same problems still persisted.

            While my N5 never overheated never crashed apps and never froze unless I was using a custom rom but even then it happened like once because the rom I flashed wasn't as stable as I thought which was easily fixed by downloading a different rom and flashing it 5 minutes later.

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            I had the opposite experience lol. my one kept crashing, and the 5S works like a charm.... Strange.

          • JD

            why are you even here? This is an android website I could understand if you were using a ios device for your tablet and an android for your phone but you stated earlier your using all ios devices.

            So again why are you here?

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            I have an android tablet and an android phone (plus an iPhone)

            I switch between the two phones, and I Use a mac and PC as well

    • matthewcouto

      Is "Hi, Siri" and different from "OK, Google"?

      • Andrew

        Yeah it only works if you plug something into the 3.5mm port. It's meant to be hands-free automation for the car.

        • Frettfreak

          pretty sure its the charger it has to be plugged into. Same way i that was reported on the always on listening for google now that could be coming up.

          • ProductFRED

            It should work fine for Snapdragon 800 phones and the Moto X, all of which have cores dedicated to listening for audible triggers.

        • Jason Bourne

          Yep, it was the charger only for "always on, even when the screen is off" functionality. I believe it's meant to be used while charging in a car when you're driving around.

          It probably uses a lot of power to always be listening without a secondary chip like the Moto X.

    • http://jonbp.co.uk/ Jon Beaumont-Pike

      Saying "Hey Siri" is a lot less awkward than "Okay, Google"

      • http://brgulker.wordpress.com/ brgulker

        ...how?

        • http://jonbp.co.uk/ Jon Beaumont-Pike

          "hey" sounds much more natural than "okay" for trying to get something's attention. Just saying, thanks all

          • Brandon Thomas

            Thats why Google went with Okay, Okay comes up less in regular conversation cutting down on the possibility of Now mistaking another phrase as the wake up phrase.

          • http://jonbp.co.uk/ Jon Beaumont-Pike

            I don't know anyone called 'Google' though

          • beatt

            Okay is like one of the words most spoken in the world!

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            you use verbal crutches when you write? huh. Weird.

        • Jason Bourne

          "Hey Siri" is 3 syllables and contains no hard-consonants.

          "Okay, Google" is 4 syllables and has the hard K to pronounce, which slows down the entire statement.

      • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

        Lol

    • Matt W

      Once Android decided to use a virtual keyboard (a feature that made iOS, iOS), all bets were off. These arguments are silly on both sides. Do you think Android had some kind of patent on Palms notification system or Palm's user interchangeable keyboard system?

      • joser116

        The reason why at first Android didn't have a virtual keyboard was because the G1 had a hardware keyboard. Also, Apple was not the first to use a virtual keyboard.

      • JD

        Lg Prada, released before the first iphone and the first true smartphone.

    • arkarian

      apple is giving its customers features they want.

    • Carlos Osuna

      FRED. They aren't trying to be Android nor Windows Phone.

      They know they can't compete so they are taking an alternative route, of more integration and inclusion.

      They know that Microsoft will surely see them as a safe haven against the unknown Android/Linux world and so will Fortune 500/1000 companies. I have never seen a company give enterprise approved Androids, but have seen several offer their top level employees iPhones and iPads. It's so much easier to integrate and control.

      At the keynote, they gave a teaser of what they have up their sleeve. As usual, not everything, but enough to get developers excited. In one fell swoop, they made laptops obsolete, even Chromebook types. Why? Because companies can now buy Apple iMacs and keep them locked in the HQ, while giving away (for cheap) iPads and iPhones. They know their employees will just swipe and continue working at home with tasks they started at the office. Since the iPad and the iPhone have built in Cisco VPN, there's no problem accessing the corporate Intranet. You just need companies like SAP, Microsoft, Cognos, Microstrategy, etc. to create Apps (Mac and iOS) leveraging the Continuity and Handoff APIs. All this in plain and simple Swift which is basically JavaScript in steroids without the Java liability.

    • http://www.thedigitalorchard.ca/ Ted Wood

      They are not "trying to become Android". What a lame statement. Different business models, different communities, different buckets of ideas. There's bound to be overlap and convergence. That has nothing to do with Apple wanting to become Android. Android was modelled after iOS in 2007. Don't forget that.

      • JD

        um android has had a lot of modifications after google bought it in 2005 2 years before ios and Many of them were not even close to ios. IN fact Android has always been much more like a desktop on your phone.

        Where is ios is basically an app drawer.

        • http://www.thedigitalorchard.ca/ Ted Wood

          JD... ignorance is bliss, isn't it? Do you really think that Apple started iOS (formally known as iPhone OS) in 2007? It was in development at least as far back as 2005, and it was built from scratch, unlike Google's "purchase" of Android. And if you really knew the history properly, you would know that Android *did* indeed take on the look of iOS in 2007, only after seeing what Apple had c created. Google changed course and began mimicking the design of iOS. That is a fact, but that said, what was your point again? Oh right, you see iOS as some kind of "toy operating system", not a real desktop-class operating system that you claim Android to be. Seriously? You're going to make that claim? Okay, have fun with that. :)

      • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

        You, sir, are a god. Thank you for very concisely verbalizing my thoughts.

    • RobNClt

      I like Apple products regards of what they have or do not have. I am not in the war with Android, Windows, or anything else, I am simply loyal to Apple, have had good experiences with their prodicts and will remain for the forseeable future.

      One thing to note, I often see Apple copied this or they copied that. To the I would like to politely say Apple introduced the world to smartphones.....

      Everyone else copied!

  • Gokh

    Only the fact that they are better implemented

    • http://petercast.net Peterson Silva

      Have you used these features? How do you know? =)

      • Baspower

        Well, at least the interactive notifications seem to be one step further.

        • http://petercast.net Peterson Silva

          I'll give you that. But for most features you have to actually use them to be able to compare to Android counterparts, I think.

          • Baspower

            True. Especially with the widgets I'm wondering about how useful they are.

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            I thin Apple's iteration is slightly more organic, because I don't have to stop what I am doing and return to homescreen to check a stat or stock or whatever. At the same time, Apple's iteration allows for very little customization in terms of size and aesthetic.

        • ajerman

          ParanoidAndroid does this a little better with notification peek, but it's still a bit limited.

        • NeonTranceBadger

          Paranoid Android implemented Hover in their PA4 beta about 2 months ago and it is exactly like Apple's interactive notifications.

          Here's a video of it
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_3Ik7m3z50

          • Riley Biers

            ..and I'm sure the 14 people that run this ROM love it.

      • Gokh

        As always, Google make just half of the work, and as always, features are better implemeted with Apple, its just the reality don't do the fanboy :)

  • joeljfischer

    Not done reading yet, but one thing to note about the keyboards that I wish Android would go back and steal from iOS is opt-in for letting it have internet access, instead of just "if you download it, it has all permissions".

    • joser116

      I think we would see this feature in Android down the line but in a more universal manner. Remember app ops?

    • spunker88

      There are root firewalls that fix this, but it would be nice to have a basic firewall built into android for non root users.

    • Jason Bourne

      Agreed. I want to manually AGREE to allow an App to send me notifications... access my Contact list... access the Internet... access my Camera roll. And if I don't agree to specific permissions, I want the app to still run.

      • Matt W

        You guys are serious? Android doesn't do this? And you use it? Not only use it but advocate for it? Wow, crazy.

  • DonEmu

    New iMessage features make Whatsapp and Snapchat a little more unneeded and the healthkit is nice add but all in all nothing groundbreaking really.

    Very well refined all around except the notifications. I find current iPhone notifications annoying as it is. Now add widgets to that. Too busy.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Man, I want notifications to run my goddamn life. That's the one part of iOS and Android both did more - I want to be able to rapidly take care of notifications without skipping a beat, and this new setup on iOS 8 looks sweet.

      Widgets, I'm kind of take 'em or leave 'em. Have to see what developers do.

      • DonEmu

        Well I guess I was just looking at this from the perspective of their tiny phone screens. On a tablet their implementation at the very least looks very "sweet"..

    • Brandon Miller

      Only if ALL your friends also have iDevices though, which they probably don't. That's Apple's biggest problem with many of these features. Whatsapp is more of a global thing than just a US one, and iPhones still aren't very prevalent worldwide like they are here in the US.

      Also, if I had an iPhone and knew I couldn't use these features with ALL of my friends then I would just continue to use the applications that I know everyone can recieve, like Snapchat and Whatsapp.

      Cross platform is really what makes those social types of apps so successful. That's why while these features look nice, I think overall they won't be utilized by many people.

      As for the notification stuff, I agree. I can't stand iPhone notifications. My eyes seem to have a hard time grasping all that comes up when you pull down the shade on iPhones. Android isn't exactly amazing but its always been a bit better for me.

      • Dominic Powell

        700 Million people use whatsapp approximately... There aren't even that many iOS devices in existence.

        • Matt W

          There are over 800 million iOS devices.....

          • Dominic Powell

            You are correct ...

            800 Million shipped - Not Sold - Not in Service. Apple has cleverly gone to the shipped Mantra now - they used to chastise Samsung for using shipped metrics.

      • Matt W

        I just feel sorry for people who don't have blue bubbles. At some point they made a bad decision :) But hey Apple made it so I can get their little green messages everywhere too.

  • Blendi Krasniqi

    "Metal" was the most impressive thing to me.

    • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

      Oh yeah. Big time. Especially if it is easy to use for developers, and doesn't require too much arduous work to implement...

    • Kevin Kuo

      The iOS version of Mantle, now all they need is PhysX.
      HEY GOOGLE! Partner up with Nvidia already!

      • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

        Uhm I think you missed a few years. #nvidiashield #biggestfailinhistory

        Mantle is old, clunky, and complex. Metal is hopefully a bit better than that pile of socks.

    • Matt W

      Yeah, they don't like to talk about that here. Android was way behind in the games area and that is now over. It is impossible to catch up now. Maybe on a few limited devices, but it will always be a third tier platform, now matter what the market share is.

  • super

    I really hate to admit it, but it seems these widgets are a little better implemented.
    Widgets in android are a real pain in the ass to toggle, these seem so fluent and "live"

  • http://petercast.net Peterson Silva

    "- I don't need a Chromebook to take advantage of Android's cross-platform features, whereas"

    You'll just leave that up in the air for us to grasp? =P

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Whoops. Fixed.

  • http://ignaciozippy.com/ Ignacio Zippy

    So, Android has nothing to offer against iOS, what should we do now? D:

    • RSA

      Wait till Google I/O :P

      • http://ignaciozippy.com/ Ignacio Zippy

        No Holo? No Nexus? Hera? No thanks, I’d rather go back to the old, boring iOS.

    • Thomas’

      Just watch the Google I/O and you'll see the stuff of WWDC '15.

    • http://steamcommunity.com/id/metallinatus Metallinatus

      We can still taste a delicious Kit Kat without having to live in shame for eating the "competition's chocolate".... what about that?

  • Naga Sridhar

    a thorough review of IOS8 too..dont think the other apple fancy websites would review them in so much detail! You have done an amazing job here David!

  • Churchill

    The flat look on OSX is ugly, seriously. Windows's metro win by a mile here.

    PD. that notification system on iOS looks nice.

  • Jose Romero

    Other features Apple announced that Android has had:
    Wifi-calling
    Battery usage by app
    Travel time notifications

    And OMG, we can now start a private tab with Safari now!!

    No worries, Google would most certainly leap ahead again come Google I/O.

    • Jephri

      And time travel notifications

    • Matt W

      Private tabs have been in Safari (on all platforms) for years now. I guess you really weren't paying attention. Do you think Google will leap them on Metal and a game developer will start making games for Android? I don't.

      • joser116

        "Private tabs have been in Safari (on all platforms) for years now. I guess you really weren't paying attention." Then why did Apple announce them at yesterday's conference?

        "Do you think Google will leap them on Metal and a game developer will start making games for Android? I don't."

        Good for you. We never know what Google has in store. They could or could not. They are perfectly capable of doing it if they wanted to.

  • Badouken

    Lots of new features people have been asking for a while now! I hope when Google releases Android 5.0 (eventually) we get tons of new features as well.

    • Dominic Powell

      I think Android will never have major new feature releases like iOS.

      Look at play Services... I think it has been updated 6 times since I/O last year... everytime adding new API's and new features to ALL android devices.

      Google is constantly iterating on all its apps whereas Apple bugfixes between major new releases...

      They develop differently and ultimately Android's development will probably never be in the same volume as an Apple keynote because of it. Update Wednesday is where things happen for us.

      • Badouken

        This is indeed true, Google updates and adds a ton of stuff throughout the year. I'm hoping for more of new UI and some other major changes, that's why I'm only expecting this to happen in Android 5.0. All the little things they have added or changed throughout the year have been good enough for me though (and most people) so I can be patient.

        • Dominic Powell

          I am a major Google Docs --> Drive user. In the past two years Drive has seen a new feature roughly every other month and the in between has a bug fix release. Google Drive is virtually unrecognizable from 2 years ago... All while becoming faster, more reliable and CHEAPER...

          This is how google Iterates...

          • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

            Yes, but Google drive is also the clunkiest, hardest most confusing piece of software the moment you upload a word doc. You have to jump through hoops to open word docs, sometimes they just refuse to all together. And on top of that, while they did drop the price, Google storage (drive) is now pooled with photos storage, gmail, etc, making it a fairly insignificant amount of space if you archive heavy emails...

          • joser116

            It would be bad if they pooled the storage and only kept the 5 GB Google Drive storage, but they didn't. They COMBINED the available storage from Gmail, so now you can use ALL the storage the way you like most.

          • Dominic Powell

            Except you have unlimited storage of photos if you store them at computer display resolution >1080p not raw. Gmail is normally 15GB and Drive was 10GB - Not to mention virtually any half decent / high end device you buy comes with 25gb-50gb of free drive storage.

      • joser116

        That is exactly what I was thinking when I was reading The Verge's liveblog of the event. If only Google would not announce anything in between (they announce something new every week) and just announce everyything at once, it would be huge. The event would take hours.

        • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

          not really, since most iterations of their apps are just redesigns since they revamp the platform design every year or so...

          • joser116

            Not really, and not that much. And those redesigns could be part of the event. They do add tons of features throughout the year, plus they announce some more at I/O.

      • Frettfreak

        an experience is not ALL about apps. There is HUGE room for a major release simply based on UI alone! You dont agree?

        • Dominic Powell

          I agree there is room, nothing major has happened on the UI front since ICS. But if I/O is about design this year, then don't look for stunning sweeping changes to app behaviour, because those will come throughout the year.

    • joser116

      I am sure that these announcement would give Google more motivation to step up their game, especially in regards to OS updates and the security. I hope Google saw those charts Apple showed and got mad with fury. Therefore, they can work harder on a really good solution.

      • Dominic Powell

        The thing is... if you work at Google you look at those charts as 100% slander...

        • joser116

          Unfortunately, most of the world does not. I just want Google to go all out and to go out of their way to come up with a disruptive solution to the update problem so that Apple can no longer use those update charts as ammo. The thing I hate is that it is true.

          • Thomas’

            Well, for some reason they showed the "revenue" chart two years ago, replaced it by "revenue from app sales" last year (excluding IAPs), and left it out completely this year. I wonder why?

          • joser116

            Oh yeah, cause Google is closing in on app revenue.

          • Matt W

            They are? http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-the-difference-in-developer-revenue-between-android-and-ios-2013-11 you need to look at developer revenue per download. That includes in-app purchases, ad revenue, and initial price. iOS developers are making 5x as much per download. I know what your thinking. So what, Android sells almost 5x as many devices. They do. But still total revenue is only 91 cents for every dollar on iOS.

            You cannot deny it is harder to develop for Android. Particularly if you want to do anything hardware or screen intensive like a game or really anything that is not just a repackaged web page. So is it worth it? Most developers still think it isn't. If Android could build a strong core of devices that developers could easily target, there might be hope to attract developers.

          • joser116

            Yes, they are closing in. It was a lot worse before. And the fact that total revenue is 91 cents for every dollar on iOS is pretty good, considering Android is mega popular in developing markets.

          • Mike

            You need to remember that iOS has fragmentation too. It's unfortunate that it's never talked about by the tech media though. Of all of these new features, most of them will never see the light of day for users of the oldest hardware.

            It usually takes some time before those decisions are made, but the only product that typically gets everything in a new release is last year's model. Does it really matter if you're running iOS8 if you won't have access to half of the features in it?

          • joser116

            True, that is a point that I always try to make. That and the fact that Apple only has to support a few devices and Google needs to take into consideration hundreds of Android devices.

            Also, I try to get it across that a more fair update comparison would be between iDevices and Nexus phones.

          • Matt W

            Then that is the only comparison you should ever make. You can't scream 241 million devices a quarter and then get hurt when people point out most of the devices are on 2.3.

          • joser116

            "Then that is the only comparison you should ever make."
            --I could make any comparisons I want.

            "You can't scream 241 million devices a quarter and then get hurt when people point out most of the devices are on 2.3."

            ---When did I do that? When did I scream 241 million devices then got hurt when people pointed out that most of the devices are on 2.3? That situation never happened.

          • joser116

            True, that is a point that I always try to make. That and the fact that Apple only has to support a few devices and Google needs to take into consideration hundreds of Android devices. Also, a more fair update comparison would be between iDevices and Nexus phones.

            Edit: F*ck, wrong reply.

          • Matt W

            The Malware chart was clearly true. It is undeniably true. You should hate that too.

          • joser116

            The malware chart is questionable. If it is true, then I hate that too. But it is not hard to stay safe in Android.

      • Thomas’

        Actually, hardly anyone watched the stream here.

        • Dominic Powell

          If you are a Google Employee... my respects! what a perfect answer.

        • joser116

          I did, so I could be prepared to fight the iOS users. Im not even lying, but for most of the live blog I was super bored and was like, "Really?" when the Verge writers were amazed at the little things Apple announced. The only thing that surprised me was the phone answering via Mac, the graphics demo, and Swift. Honestly, that was it. It really was a borefest. I found it funny how at the beginning, for like a really long time, Apple kept boasting about how the windows of OS X are now translucent. I was like, really?

          • Frettfreak

            its cause the verge writers suck apple balls all day. Its in their reviews, articles, everything. IMO the verge are just paid publicity for apple in a LOT of instances. lol

          • joser116

            Yeah, I have been increasingly noticing that, but their live blog on today's Apple event is on The Verge of being ridiculous. They got excited for every little thing. It was on a level that I hadn't seen before.

            Lol wow so funny, I didn't even realize that I made a pun until after I hit the Post button to post this comment and I saw that auto correct had changed the verge to The Verge.

        • joser116

          Are you a Google employee? Or when you say here, do you mean the people that frequent Android Police?

          • Thomas’

            Intern.

          • joser116

            :O Nice

        • el3v3nty

          that's exactly why you scrolled all the way down to comment on this. don't be biased. be appreciative of progress. competition is a good thing. if Apple is copying all of android and showing bad things about android, it'll only pursue Google to come up with more differentiating features. win-win.

          • joser116

            How is he being biased? This is what he has commented:

            1) "Well, for some reason they showed the "revenue" chart two years ago, replaced it by "revenue from app sales" last year (excluding IAPs), and left it out completely this year. I wonder why?"

            2) "Just watch the Google I/O and you'll see the stuff of WWDC '15." -This comment is true and it is not his fault that it is.

            3) "They clapped the most when they announced Swift. Looks like Objective-C isn't as appealing as everyone claims." They DID clap the most when Swift was announced.

            4) "Actually, hardly anyone watched the stream here."

            5) "Intern"

  • Jephri

    So much originality...

    • jimmyjyc

      Yup.

      By the way, David, Actionable Notifications are pretty much an exact copy of BB10's system.

      • Darrien Glasser

        Lol, poor Blackberry. Even when they come up with something good, someone else comes along and takes it.

      • http://steamcommunity.com/id/metallinatus Metallinatus

        No news for Ubuntu Touch neither.

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  • Andrew

    The actionable notifications actually look kinda cool to be honest. I'm no apple fanboy by any means, but I think they can still make a good product. #herecometherants

  • remister

    I saw this on my Google+ feed and I lol'd

    • Ricki

      You guys might Wanna look at what I just put down the mouse you intelligent and something who would have the money the reason and D motive to give all your financial details to Gmail whoever could think of the hangouts page on YouTube is whistleblowers specifically targeted exposing every movement they do and a financial details on places like eBay and iTunes right there in front of you and your process companies will treat you like shit who would have the power and why can you figure it out its a long thinking process of elimination that you find anyone possible conclusion that would cause a company as powerful as iTunes and eBay to hand over to Gmail illegally disposing YouTube it was about private financial data thus causing chill haemorrhaging and in the end of trillion dollar companies and for what reason and going Georgia by stones the elite

      • http://brgulker.wordpress.com/ brgulker

        wut.

      • malcolmest

        My brain hurts

      • Matt W

        Were there any complete thoughts expressed above?

      • 1966CAH

        Sometimes I drop acid and read the interwebs too!

      • Jacob

        You never go full retard

        • SuperSam64

          I really wish my girlfriend had as few periods as his writing.

      • Tracy Earl

        thus causing chill haemorrhaging!

  • AbbyZFresh

    Despite most of these are playing catch up with Android. Apple knows how to present their uses better than Google does with their features. The huge difference is that Apple creates their features for user experience, Google creates their features purely for the sake of creating. Apple engineers have the mind of the consumer interest, Google engineers create purely for the sake of engineering without knowing how regular consumers will react.

  • David Fleck

    I think the new Extensibility is a little more robust than you let on. Sounds like you will be able to use another app's features without leaving the current app. A slight upgrade from Android's intents.

    • Dominic Powell

      depends on what the developer makes extendable. On android the entire app is available for the unit (item being manipulated). On IOS only a small portion of it... SO VSCO Cam may make its filters available, but maybe you won't get granular control because it isn't extensible.

    • Thomas’

      Extensibility looks like a 1:1 implementation to me (each relation has to be implemented individually), so no real advantage and nothing like Intents (1:m implementation). Plugins like this are already possible on Android, there is just no API for it. Take a look at Muzei, for instance.

      • Dominic Powell

        Precisely, IOS extensibility is like Muzei and Dashclock... not exactly like Android intens.

    • Tassadar

      You can literally build in parts from other apps into your app on Android, Google Maps are probably the biggest example of that happening. The *other* app has to be designed to enable that though, that much is true.

      EDIT: I'm not exactly sure if maps aren't a "special" case, but there are examples of doing this with fragments on the internet, so it is possible.

  • RSA

    Tim cook was very busy complaining Android, but Apple took all the android features to iOS. For me, most annoying part was iOS developers are clapping hands like anything :)

    • Thomas’

      They clapped the most when they announced Swift. Looks like Objective-C isn't as appealing as everyone claims.

      • Dalvik

        The general rule is you shouldn't wasting time learning programming language that only supported on one platform.

        • joser116

          That is so true. This is the first time I hear this point.

        • Darwin

          Unless, it's the most profitable platform ever!

          • joser116

            Not for long!

        • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

          Well, I disagree. Learning a platform specific language has a ton of merits beacuse the platform and the language are designed to intrinsically work together. This means there are less chances for error. In fact, I would go so far as to say it is more beneficial to learn platform specific languages.

  • jjgdd

    Google must have copied ios8 in 2009. it must be. nooooo whyyyy :''(

  • http://beaugil.es BeauGiles

    Everyone's least-favorite personal assistant got a quick nod at WWDC, adding support for hotword activation (WHERE EVER COULD THEY HAVE DIVINED SUCH AN IDEA FROM) - "Hey, Siri"

    http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/You_talkin_to_me_Make_Your_Mac_Listen Article from 2007.

    I believe even Mac OS supported a custom keyword/hotword too...

  • Ryan Behmanesh

    All of the new features seem pretty cool and useful. Yes, some were clearly on Android first but I could care less. It's all good tech to me.

  • serge_guatemala

    I guess the iMessages is not a copy of Google's hangouts (I agree it has a lot to improve) but it looks like a skinned version of whatsapp

  • dogulas

    Many of their solutions are obviously inspired/ripped from other platforms, especially Android. But they do make it very seamless, assuming all you and everyone you know has Apple hardware. Having said that, Google doesn't force you into their platform, and Google works well on iOS and OS X. Also once I/O comes, Apple will again be a year behind in many ways when the new futuristic features of the new Android are introduced. Google is getting really good at making things much more seamless.

    • http://www.microwav3d.com/ Mihir Garikiparithi

      Uhm. How so? Just curious. Do you think gmail and Drive are seamless? I disagree. I don't like having to wait for ages for a document or image to load up in drive. I would much rather see them inline regardless of size. Also, Apple doesn't force you onto THEIR platform since itunes, safari, quicktime work great on windows computers as well... Not sure what you're getting at here.

      • joser116

        I agree with you that Google is NOT getting REALLY good at making things much more seamless. They are in some products, but not in products like Drive. They are surely improving though.

        And also, I think he was trying to say that lots more Google products (certainly more than Apple) work on platforms other than Google's, and not just on PCs. On the other hand, there are NO Apple made apps in other mobile platforms like Android, just iTunes, Safari, and Quicktime on PC, and of course iCloud on the web(naturally). It's just that Google is a lot more cross-platform, I think that's what he was getting at. I do agree with you though that Apple doesn't necessarily force you onto their platform. I think they just do it indirectly by having most of their products only on their platforms, which is ok, but cross-platform is preferred.

  • Martin

    Let's be honest.. Steal or not, Apple killed it. All people were crying is now there.. And it can take a while to add features but when they do it, it actually works and it's useful.. I don't care about from where it comes.. I am android user and 90% of the features in Android are half baked or work 40% of the time.. I am really impressed with iOS8.. WIll wait for iPhone 6 and decide if I am going back to Apple... All I need right now is bigger screen (4.7" - 4.8"). This is my opinion.. No need for trolling and sick people commenting it.. :-)

    • joser116

      Yeah, they implement them well, sometimes, like when they first unveiled the notification bar. It was lacking. Also, multitasking when it was unveiled.

      They just take too long. In fact, iOS 8 is not even finished yet. It comes out in the fall.

      For me, running Android KitKat, things work for me all the time. Why wait for the bigger screen size when there are Android's already with bigger screen sizes? Also, Android is LOOOOONG overdue for a major update, and that update will probably leapfrog Apple again. Just stick with the Android crowd.

    • MyLeftNut

      Not to sound obvious but I think anyone who has ever read your comments already knows that you would probably return to iOS sooner or later. Nothing wrong with it (I have several iDevices myself) but you've always been partial to iOS' way of design and implementation of features.

      Also not sure where you pulled out those stats.

  • Alex

    About continuity with iMessage integration: my personal number is from Google Voice and I can send/read SMSs or make/answer calls from any web browser, I don't even need my phone turned on. Granted, the google voice integration with hangouts is still pending, and Google Voice is only available in the US, but in my personal case I have (and have used) that functionality for years.

  • Alex

    About replying notifications directly, a few things come to my mind:

    #1 you have a lot of interaction already supported on Android API.
    #2 that is only going to increase (just check what Android Wear is promising) like reply with voice directly.
    #3 In practice, the fact that Android has real multitasking plus capacity to offer dialogs that don't need to cover the whole screen, perfectly covers this type of interaction.
    If I have a notification, then clicking on it could easily show me a small dialog on top of current app (not hiding it completely) where I can reply something then hit send creating a similar effect. The current app will stay in memory all the time (as per Android API when the Activity is not fully covered).

    • Wyatt Neal

      I think the really sweet thing I'd like to see is replying to notifications by voice. Just a swipe down to see what's going on and then a "Respond to text, yea I'll be there in 30" -> autosend. Boom. Next $3 app idea right there.

  • Naum Rusomarov

    I sincerely hated the ios-osx interoperability things. It's like if you own a mac you're pretty much obliged to get an iphone, because you have to be fully submerged into the Appleverse. Don't fucking force me to jump, because I won't.

    Kinda shitty and very pretentious if you ask me. Most of the Google stuff works on a wide range of devices and systems.

    • Sam Keaser

      Not necessarily, I'm the very happy happy owner of a rMBP and a Nexus 4. Chrome/Drive synchronization works just as well as it does cross any other platform.

    • mrjayviper

      I have 3 OSX devices: MBPr, MBP and Mac Pro and no problem at using my android phone and tablet with it.

    • Paul

      Sorry, but you sound like a fanboy to me. I use mac, xbox, android.. whatever platform works best for me, just as an example.
      I never felt obliged to get an iPhone, still using my dated Xperia Ray and never ever thought about getting an iPhone. This interoperability is pretty amazing, and have to admit, got me thinking...

      • Naum Rusomarov

        That was true last year. Not any more. It's still kinda true for Android. Things haven't changed there at all. But, this year half of the things they announced are about making the iPhone work with osx.

        Too bad you didn't watch the keynote. It was very pretentious.

        • Matt W

          Either you don't know what pretentious means or you don't understand the audience for the key note.

          • Naum Rusomarov

            Thank you for your kind words. I already feel sorry for posting here and this was my first ever comment on this site. So far I've been called a fanboy and an idiot. Great! Do you have any other words to offer?

            I said pretentious because in order to use all the capabilities of your iphone, i.e., to achieve the convergence idea envisioned at Apple, you need a mac and not only that but you also have to use the programs they want you to be using. That is pretentious. And very stupid in my opinion, because it separates people into "true" believers, and the rest -- unbelievers, who don't seem to buy that whole Apple convergence thing and buy macs because they're solidly built nice machines.

            Note that I'm not talking about how well Android devices play with macs. I am specifically talking about osx-ios interoperability.

          • aaronfg

            "I said pretentious because in order to use all the capabilities of your iphone, i.e., to achieve the convergence idea envisioned at Apple, you need a mac and not only that but you also have to use the programs they want you to be using. That is pretentious."

            You still don't understand the word "pretentious". Your example of them requiring Apple devices to use Apple features? That's not it.

            Restrictive, yes.

            Pretentious? Not at all.

  • usamaisawake

    Wait Hangouts does have DND for specific text groups and Hangout groups. it's not obvious as is typical of most things on Android :-) .. within a text group click on the 3 dots at the top right, go to People & Options, and turn off notifications.

    • harmsi

      Yeah, I wonder what the author meant.
      You can disable all hangout notification from the menu or the separate notifications for every person and group. In the settings you can choose whether you want tone and vibration on off.
      And when you really don't want to be disturbed, just put your phone on silent.
      What more can you wish for?

  • Dalvik

    I don't see anything interesting. (honest from heart)

  • Milind

    I haven't seen all the examples of actionable notifications in iOS8, but Android does exactly that. I can archive/delete email directly from the notification shade. With a 3rd party extention, I can mark it as read. To reply, I'm taken to the email app. I'm not sure I want to type in a reply to an email from the notification thread. And this may be necessary on iOS, but on Android, the back button will take me back to the app I was in before.

    I can change input keyboards from the notification dropdown. I'd like to respond to text messages with canned replies. Maybe some of the 3rd party SMS apps do that already. But the stock one doesn't.

  • David Margolin

    so you can now update your iphone to jellybean???

  • Matthew Fry

    - Rich notifications are in Android already. They're called toast notifications. I admit they're not used enough and it should be expanded to have a system level ability to dismiss toasts till later and access them all together.
    - You can share content with your family on the Play Store. Just log into the Play Store with the same Google account and turn off all syncing except for the store. They do have access to everything under the Google account though. I wouldn't do this with anyone I didn't trust completely. Currently, this is just my wife.

    • Matt W

      Yeah you have been able to do that with the iTunes store since 2001. Family Share is different (a lot different).

  • [A]dri[A]n

    You can't be envious of thing's you've had for years :)

  • WhyWai

    Nothing new really. I wonder how's the crowd reaction in the conference

  • bb

    I have the incoming/accepting call feature just as shown via Google Voice. I can pick up incoming calls on the desktop or let them follow through to mobile...

  • BeJeezus

    I'm probably exactly 50% in the Apple garden, with the other half in Google's federation. I still find Google's web-based everything of higher quality, and use it daily, while Apple's hands-on hardware and software apps feel better/faster/more reliable overall, so they get my fingers most of the time. Both are improving their "weak" sides toward a hazy future where both are great, though. I wonder if I'll ever be able to ditch either?

    But one thing about the article: it's not "fair" to say that Android is better at "deep Google integration", as a plus point, unless you also score that Android is worse (and Apple is better) at "deep Apple integration", right?

    (I mean, I should HOPE that Android is always better integrated with Google. When it's not, Google would have committed suicide.)

    • Frettfreak

      not really. IOS could dig in and go deep with google integration. they CHOOSE not to. Apple isnt open enough to give google a chance to have deep apple integration. however, a quick seach in the app store for apple will show you that googel has a HELL of a lot more awesomely integrated apps for iOS then apple will EVER have for android.

  • Leon

    Airdrop doesn't need a network connection, it creates an ad-hoc network for the two devices. I think it's the same thing for the messages and voice integration. But not 100% on that one.

  • GraveUypo

    android's getting worse, ios is getting better. i guess they're gonna meet mid-way and hold hands.

    • Frettfreak

      lmao.. yeah.. Everyone says all the time how android just sucks more and more... oh yeah, that doesnt happen. Get off the crack pipe dude.. or go to imore.com and GTFO

      • GraveUypo

        except it happens with every update. which rock are you living under?
        also why the hell do you assume that i even remotely like iOS? i just said they're meeting mid-way, which means iOS is coming from below.

  • NBM

    I appreciate the extended summary, I was able to tell my father about all the upcoming ios8 things... with visual examples from my Nexus 5

  • http://www.bordersweather.co.uk/ Andy J

    The thing that has excited me most about the keynote - is the cross platform use. Being able to send and receive SMS messages, being able to make and receive phone calls. These are big things I would love to see Android do.
    Unfortunately, the Chrome notification center is let's face it - complete pants, if the browser is open (or Chrome is set to run in the background) and a notification comes in, it's displayed for approx 5 seconds and then vanishes, other than an icon in the system tray there is no other indication you missed something. At the very least the system should be aware that the mouse hasn't been moved in a while and when it's obvious the system is being used again - it should show ALL your missed notifications.

    • Frettfreak

      there are several apps in google play that get this done pretty well, but i feel ya. It really needs to be baked into the OS a little better.

  • Kehnin Dyer

    is there an article i am missing somewhere?
    because this page doesn't have any content for me...

    • GreatNews

      Same here

      • Dasher

        ditto, taken down?

        • Google_Is_The_Higgs_Boson

          Same for me... Both desk top and mobile... And on different articles...

  • Satish

    Is there a problem with your site?
    Every article I open, I only see title not the content.

    Is this happening with everyone?

  • CommancheNinja

    http://youtu.be/yf81dG9-58c

    Android destroyed

  • nandre

    So while Apple is most definitely now playing catchup with Android, one area where Apple wins here is the "connectedness" stuff with Continuity and DESIGN. Google's getting there with revamping design and adding color, but you have to admit that Apple does a fantastic job making a cohesive product that has great design.

    If only Google could steal some of their designers and get them to work on changing around Android's interface to be more intuitive. I'm very comfortable with Android and hacking/modifying it to my needs to look right, but when I see my friends pick up an Android phone, everything's not as intuitive as it should be (though it is SLOWLY getting better).

    I think Apple is a lot of fluff/advertising, but they do set a lot of standards, and if Google could focus more on the (annoyingly overused and not always correct) phrase "just works" I think the market competition would be a lot better and the users much happier. Sorry for the rambling words, just thought it had to be said.

  • Rickee

    The only bit that really made me jealous was the SMS from iPad/Macbook functionality. And replying to a text from the notification bar. True, it works with AOSP Messaging, but it still doesn't happen with Hangouts, and really, Hangouts is still not the amazing messaging client it was all hyped to be. Mightytext is nice and all, but having it built in to iOS? Pretty snazzy.

  • http://thepolymath.in/ Deepansh Khurana

    iOS 8, the biggest rip-off from Android since iOS 7. :D

  • Jason Bourne

    The one feature I saw that I really liked was the ability for family members to "ask permission of a parent" to download an app, then it pops up on MY phone asking me if I give that permission to my child. Of note, Jason Bourne does not admit to having any children.

  • GreatNews

    BTW about the replying let's say from a text within the notification comes original from Blackberry 10!

  • JG

    I would love to see Google add in the family share feature, though with a slight (potential) modification - don't limit us to just one credit card on file. My family is all adults, we all have our own bank accounts & cards. I think it would be easier than trying to manage a shared account.

    And while it would limit some repeat purchases, I think it might actually increase some sales, especially in the TV and movie section. For example, I'm not going to spend the ~$215 Google wants for all 7 seasons of Doctor Who. And while I might be ok with spending the ~$30 they want for a single season, I'm not going to buy just 1 season... But I doubt I would have any issue talking my brothers, who are also Whovians, into each buying a season or 2. Then we each have the whole show and none of us have spent too much... And I'm sure using the same logic we would have no problem grabbing Torchwood, and maybe a few other shows we all like.

    That would be 7+ sales where otherwise there would have been 0.

  • Maskawisewin

    Good. Apple needs to be more competitive which will just make Android better in the end. Competition is good for everyone. We shouldn't want one to dominate over the other.

  • master94

    Google is most valuable tech company. You wrote apple. I believe google took that title this year from apple.

  • http://www.LOVEanon.org/ Michael Oghia (Ogie)

    [Typo-Alert] @rdr0b11:disqus: "iOS will charge your more for your..." iOS will charge you* more (Photos and auto-backup section).

  • Roh_Mish

    Most of their features are copy of android, and then I integrating pushbullet notification sync in system and then adding SMS and phone thing. (The SMS and phone everywhere is a nice addition though)

  • patrick

    I was reading an article on yahoo that was covering the Apple news from today's conference. One statement that caught my eye was and i quote:

    " — The iMessage chat service will now let you communicate with devices that aren't running iOS, such as those running the rival Android system from Google. "

    What exactly does this mean? iMessage for Android? Or am i totally understanding it wrong?

    Heres the link to the article and the quote can be found under 'WORKING TOGETHER'

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/live-highlights-iphone-mac-features-unveiled-175727986--finance.html

  • Gabriel Dalposso

    It would be nice if we had a first party extension for chrome that allow us to send/receive calls and messages. Also. I liked the low level API for 3d games "Metal". Together with the Swift. I would like to take a look on that to see if it as good as I think

  • saf1927

    Every year after the WWDC there's someone that comes saying they've been an Android user for years yet they changed to iOS for its 'greatness'. Reading their comments makes me wonder whether they even had an Android device.

    • Stephan Reich

      That and the level of grammar errors is beyond my scope

  • Danny Holyoake

    David, this article comes across as incredibly childish.I get you were probably going for humour, but it just felt pathetic.

  • Lenka

    It doesn't matter Google already did it. Stuff can always be done in a better way.

  • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

    Well, even though apple has copied a lot of stuff from Android (especially the hey Sir I voice commands and basically AutoAwesome from G+) - I gotta say: they REALLY did the notifications right this time, they are honestly better than Android's - mainly thanks to being able to interact with apps without actually going into another app.

    And the notification widgets seem more robust than some of the widgets we have on Android

    Now I'm hoping that someday Google hires ParanoidAndroid team to bring Hover to AOSP

    Oh and the calls/texting from MWC and vice versa - THAT is badass. Would be cool if Google could bring this to ChromeOS

    • Colin Richardson

      Androids's notifications already allow me to interact without going into the app via buttons. But the typing in the notification area is a nice touch. A clap to Apple for that.

      • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

        Only if a notification is expandable, which is a rarity. If there is a G+ notification - I can't comment on the post or +1 it right away. If I want to reply to an email - I can't do this right from the notification. Etc, etc

        • Colin Richardson

          Well, wont the same be true with the notifications in iOS. Since it is app specific. If the developer doesn't code it in, then it doesn't get it.. You could +1 a post if Google wrote the app to do it. (Again, the typing bit no). But even so, if google DID implement the type in notification feature.. You are still subject to the app developer making it possible too. It's not like a facebook notification will just INSTANTLY allow you to reply the moment iOS8 comes out without facebook coding it to do so.

          • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

            I'm rather sure Facebook won't wait long for implementing that in a day or two after release.

            iOS developers in general have always been pretty quick in adopting new system standards throughout the history if this platform - game center integration and notification banners from 4.x, notification center and iCloud support from 5.x, passbook and higher resolution support from 6.x, and now every app has been redesigned to follow the iOS7 guidelines (and Apple had a a strict deadline for devs to do so)

          • mobilemann

            "If the developer doesn't code it in, then it doesn't get it.. "

            the same is true for android with widgets, lol. Also, iOS has had far, far better notification controls (about what goes where) since iOS 5.

  • Titanium50

    "Have you used Google Drive, Docs, Sheets, or Presentations? Congratulations, you've been living in the future
    for a few years already! Granted, Google doesn't passively alert you to
    these things like iOS's continuity feature will and 3rd-party
    integration remains pretty sparse, but it's the same basic principle
    (live cloud-synced documents and files)."

    iOS already does that too with iCloud in all of their iWork apps, so by your definiton, they're living in the future too.

    "It's the same for the "improved" AirDrop, which now sends files from OS X
    to iOS devices over your Wi-Fi network. Well, except it's actually
    probably still a little bit worse than Dropbox or even Google Drive
    since it requires a local Wi-Fi network to function"

    This is also wrong; Airdrop does not require a local Wi-Fi network- it only requires that the devices are in close proximity so that they can use Wifi to connect directly to each other, that is, they don't need to both be connected to the same network or anything, it's sort of similar to bump, which Google bought recently, just without the bump.

    I think that although Google's already done everything, and better in a lot of the cases, what matters here is that Apple has finally achieved practically complete feature parity with Android for the first time ever, and on top of it, they've got new features like Healthkit and Homekit which do look quite promising considering the companies they've partnered up with. Hopefully Google has something prepared to one-up apple for Google I/O

  • iKnowYoureSalty

    I'm an apple fan and I understand you guys bitterness but apple outshines for ONE key reason: iMessage. Sure google has handouts but when you consider it isn't nearly as popular amongst android users because of software fragmentation or flat out "lack of promotion/publicity" you understand where the divide forms. Also, the author couldn't have watched the keynote because the MOST IMPORTANT feature apple has is AIRDROP which WORKS VIA WI-FI and/or BLUETOOTH...whichever is available. I've used both mobile platforms for a complete phone cycle (2 years a piece) and besides battery life, these are the reasons we consumers leave the open, virus-filled android platform. Just facts.

    • ImSalty

      Hey, I just looked up douchbag in the dictionary and it linked to your post. Weird

      • mobilemann

        Hey, i just looked up 3 year old jokes in the dictionary and it linked me to your post. Weird.

    • Jeff

      You talking about Android having lots of viruses tells me you don't know what you're talking about.

  • http://www.twitter.com/lifeofbryan Bryan

    Interactive notifications a direct copy of BlackBerry 10's implementation of it. Check it out if you haven't seen it. It's called quick reply.

  • thelionk

    This sounds like an awesome update. Sure, Google has had most of those features in one form or another, but they were always tacked on, quickly added, missing polish, refinement and also often version 0.1 that didn't see much improvement ever since.

    In a way, Google does like to just get the checkboxes, not in the likes of Samsung, but you can't disagree that they often add features without really being committed to maintaining them and improving them in the future. Which is something I respect Apple for doing very well.

  • Paul

    "Speaking of, Apple also updated the iOS keyboard with - wait for it - a predictive text bar a la SwiftKey! Welcome to 2011, guys."

    Well, it's not that simple. It learns how you talk/respond to EACH person, it is not generalised. Like.. with one person it learns that you use formal business talk, with another hipster language for example. This definitely blows "simple" predictive text if you ask me.

    Second thing, continuity. It might have a low value for Windows users, but for Mac users like me, this kind of integration blows everything that Google ever invented so far.

    Minus points for the advertising in the Keynote... the comparison how many iPhone users are on newest iOS compared to how many Android users are on KitKat. He mentioned that a third (not a true statement btw, GingerBread fell to around 20%) of Android users are still on an operating system that's years old, practically ancient.

    Well, in defence.. those GingerBread devices had notification drawer long before iOS 7 came out ;P

    I'm still using my trusty Xperia Ray (never had an iPhone, god forbid!) and albeit slow, it does what i need it to do.
    Long story short, Apple has been resting on their laurels for a looooong time, time in which Google was able to grab a huge market share. But they are catching up with this newest release, you can't deny that.

  • ertadagaga

    so...

  • billykent1972

    now get an app drawer and your android for iphone. :)

  • Cory Crew

    Sooooo... Just some updating and stealing, so they can sue androind devices for having these features later

  • http://brgulker.wordpress.com/ brgulker

    And Steve Jobs called Android a stolen project.

    Just goes to show you, even the celebrity moguls are still corporate through and through.

  • Matt W

    Just one point. Air Drop does not require a local Wifi network to function. You may be thinking of the old AirDrop that debuted with Lion but never worked with the iOS airdrop that does not require a WiFi network (but does use WiFi directly between the devices which it auto negotiates).

    The new OSX AirDrop is the iOS AirDrop not the old OSX AirDrop. They would have had to tried really hard to make this more confusing.

  • DaveJFT

    I think my only concern with this lot would be that keyboard developers will now switch to developing their offerings for iOS first (as all other developers already do) and the rest of us "oiks" will have to wait until they get a bit of spare time in their schedules to consider updating their longstanding Android versions to the new levels.

  • Isla Sofia

    for an average user like myself who has used both android and apple, I can definitively say that Apple products are more efficient, easy to use, and accessible. i won't pretend to be an expert on the specs behind each piece of technology. But in my own technologically diverse experience, Apple has been the easiest and most reliable. I've never had an iPhone just stop working on me like many of my Android friends have experienced. I've never had a MacPro overheat and have the motherboard shut down like my HP did. And going beyond use, Apple has a much more appealing visual display. Android was too sloppy for me, too much going on at once. And while I can have multiple things going on with my iPhone 5s it's never felt overloaded or clutter-filled like the Android did. At some point, there becomes TOO MUCH information at once. I'm actually disappointed in Apple for adding more clutter to their products. But I have no doubt in my mind that it will still be more sleek, more streamlined, and more accessible than an Android could be.

    • MasterEthan

      My MacBook Pro has overheated before. As well as crashed completely with a grey screen of death. Also it gets extremely HOT all the time during normal use where I can't place it on my lap directly. Also the charging blocks get hot as well and can easily burn you if held while hot. Killed 3 chargers due to them falling down in the couch or something falling on top of them (which leads to burn marks where the charger was laying). It's hardware, it's common. Nothing is perfect and comparisons like these are futile. Also sometimes it comes down to you get what you pay for. Don't compare a cheap HP laptop to a 2-3k Apple laptop.

      As for Android, most issues are due to hardware or OEM adding "bloat". But that's a case by case basis. I'm still on the Galaxy Nexus running KitKat and it's still running great. Whereas on the other hand I have iPhone 5S users I know who are having battery issues, issues with it getting really hot, constant Wifi and/or network dropping.

      I find that the average user doesn't understand things when choosing a device and that causes most of their frustration. I don't understand OEMs and their skinning, I know they think they're going to make things easier but in the end I've found from most people that the stock experience is more enjoyable and understandable.

  • arkarian

    great analysis.

    continuity is not the "same basic feature" as google drive + docs. apple already introduced that functionality into iwork last year (live cloud-synced documents and files). it's nothing new for them now.

    the entire point of continuity is the passive alerts. the fact that switching between devices takes no time or effort IS the new feature. and i think it's a pretty good one, if it works like they say it will. it's the kind of device integration i've always wished devices could do, but it always seemed futuristic to me. i know it sounds silly, but i've never seen anything like it before.

    the downside of course is that you need both a mac and an iphone/ipad. apple's betting that enough people will be willing to live in a relatively closed ecosystem for the convenience, security, and privacy it provides.

  • iFone

    You guys laugh about it, but this "catch up" you guys call it's going to hurt Android significantly. These features are actually going to be used as we all know ios users use their phones much more than Android (and also have the latest OS version)

  • Connor

    What about Metal?

  • Anthony Snyder

    Obviously biased. Continuity works with other apps other than Apple's Google "clones". What about Metal? Swift?

  • c bright

    IOS is a joke. Apple fanboys are such whiners lol. Also Christopher bright, moderator at the verge and all round microtard is a convicted rapist.

    • mobilemann

      It's cute the irony is lost on you, that you are what you hate. Android fanboys are just as stupid (you're proof!) and annoying:D

  • Chase

    Apple has obviously been trying to copy Android, Samsung, and Google ever since iOS 7. Apple will never be any of them. In fact, Google has now made smartglasses and self-driving cars possible. What's Apples next take? The iCar, iGlasses? Also, it has been mentioned that Apple is in the makings of a smartwatch as well as iOS 8 and the new Mac firmware. That is totally stolen from Samsung. Samsung has already made the smart watch. Apple can be more original than copying Google, Android, and Samsung. If people wanted those features they could go an buy an Android, Google, or Samsung phone. I'm actually switching over to Android bcuz of this.

    • mobilemann

      smartwatch rumors began with apple, so you know. I always thought AP was supposed to be less "fanboy idiot" than AA. I guess not:(

  • http://www.jomarx.com Jose Marie Maquinay

    "Google Now laughs at your shenanigans"

    This really made me laugh. I just love a serious review with humor :D

  • LondonLeedsFan

    " Let's try to do everything Android does but in a way that makes it look like we're not copying "

    I don't dislike Apple, iOS or anything like that, it just gets me pissed that Apple thinks they invented everything and everyone else copied and now they're kind of playing catchup.

    Didn't they invent the wheel come to think of it?

    • mobilemann

      yeah, i just forgot, when did google announce their verison of metal? when is app opps coming back (not as a xposed module)? How about those notification permissions? home kit?

      I don't dislike either, because they push each other forward.

  • http://www.thedigitalorchard.ca/ Ted Wood

    "Why hasn't iOS had this extremely useful feature to date? Who really knows."

    Anybody that understands Apple knows why. If iOS was released on day one with all of the functionality that it has today, it would overwhelm many users. Apple is about incremental improvements over time, and it's a very effective strategy, both from a business standpoint (eg. selling upgrades), and from a usability standpoint. It's always been about consistency and simplicity. That's what makes iOS such a great platform from a usability standpoint. I'm a very advanced Mac and iOS user, yet when I am handled an Android device, I'm baffled at how complicated and confusing even the simplest tasks are. Sure, it's usable and I can fudge my way around, plus I can form habits based on my needs, but iOS is a stark contrast from that. Things just make sense and are more logical.

    • GraveUypo

      disagree. try coping a file from your pc to your phone with both and tell me which was easier.

      • http://www.thedigitalorchard.ca/ Ted Wood

        Easy response. How many people want or need to do that? User demand dictates which features get added. Back in 2007, how many average consumers would have the need to copy a file from their computer to their phone? The iPhone was released as a consumer device, not a power user or enterprise device. That has since changed, so the ability for cross-device file access and transfer has now been added. See? Incremental improvements.

        • GraveUypo

          i do. every day. i don't give a crap about the "average user".
          anything beyond social networks on an iphone is a pain in the ass to do, therefore it's not easier. it's just dumbed down and closed.

          • http://www.thedigitalorchard.ca/ Ted Wood

            You are clearly not a typical iOS user, and therefore not a primary audience for Apple's development efforts. Does that make the iPhone any less usable for the typical user, or just you? The tone of your response already shows me that you would be blind to the truth regardless of how powerful iOS became. Just the nature of the beast. Some people have their loyalties. Yours are to Android.

          • GraveUypo

            no i wouldn't. just now i was answering someone calling me an brainwashed iOS fan because i said iOS keeps improving and android keeps getting worse (dumbing stuff down, same reason we're arguing here). android is still better in my opinion, but i wonder for how long. i have absolutely no loyality to brands. i just use what's better for me.

          • http://www.thedigitalorchard.ca/ Ted Wood

            Your generalization of how much "better" Android is over iOS is highly subjective and therefore pointless. When it comes to your particular use case (ie. copying files from PC to mobile), Android is better, at least for you. When it comes to robustness against malware, iOS is known to be better (ie. far fewer exploits). So generalizing is useless to win an argument. One must look at individual capabilities and use cases.

          • GraveUypo

            Your generalization of how much "easier" iOS is over ardroid is highly subjective and that was my whole point. Anyways, we both know they have their ups and downs, and we each have our preferences. How about we leave it at that?

          • http://www.thedigitalorchard.ca/ Ted Wood

            My generalization was appropriate given that the iPhone is targeted to the vast majority of non-technical consumers, of which you are not part of. You have very specific needs, so that makes Android better for you. Let's keep going... your move. :)

          • GraveUypo

            sorry, i have better things to do.

      • http://www.thedigitalorchard.ca/ Ted Wood

        You were an easy target to get involved with this discussion, so I'm surprised that you have "better things to do". You started this by offering up a knock against a device/OS that is clearly not important to the majority of the user base. And you used that "missing feature" to suggest that the device/OS was poorly designed. :-)

        • GraveUypo

          And thus it becomes clear who is the brand fanatic.
          Save the sermons, i just plain don't care, specially after i realized you're just another apple brainwashed fanboy poking in an android website, as opposed to the open-minded person that i thought you might have been.

          • http://www.thedigitalorchard.ca/ Ted Wood

            You do care, or you wouldn't have responded ... again. This is the only article that I've read here at AndroidPolice, ever. I am not "poking around in Android forums" like you deduced. I came across this article with a Google search about iOS vs. Android because I wanted to know which one was leading in overall advancements and user satisfaction. Yes, I am an Apple fanatic, and I do my due diligence of studying all platforms in order to form a sound opinion. You started this conversation by suggestions Android was better because it was "harder" to copy files from a PC to an Apple phone. I have been an iOS user for 8 years and I've watched many of my friends buy and struggle with Android phones. I've also seen many be ecstatically happy with their Android phones. It goes both ways. My point is you can't judge an entire platform based on one or more missing features. It's not as simple as that. I'm not judging you, I'm judging your jaded viewpoint. Big difference. I'm not name-calling.

  • Jinchuuriiki

    I really want via extensibility a call blocker like iBlacklist!

  • SuperSam64

    Finally, continuity allows you to automatically start your phone in hotspot mode from your laptop without a need to set up or touch the device.

    That's cool and all, but I think the way I do it in Android is a lot easier. Here's how it works:

    1) When my tablet disconnects from my home network (in other words, when I leave) Bluetooth on my tablet turns on.
    2) When my phone disconnects from my home network, Bluetooth on my phone turns on.
    3) From the time Bluetooth is activated on the phone, a two minute timer begins. If, before the timer ends, both of these conditions are met: not connected to home wireless network and tablet found in proximity via Bluetooth, then the wireless hotspot on the phone turns on. If the conditions are not satisfied, Bluetooth returns to the previous state it was in before I left my home (if it was on prior to leaving it remains on).
    4) Once the hotspot turns on, the tablet connects automatically. And once the tablet has established a connection, Bluetooth returns to its previous state, and it sends a command to the phone (which it can now do as it is connected to the internet) that will return the phone's Bluetooth state to what it was before leaving home.
    5) Upon arriving at home again, based on GPS location, the mobile hotspot turns off. NOTE: you could also use GPS location as a means of triggering the mobile hotspot when you leave, however this would turn it on EVERY time you leave, as opposed to only when you leave with your tablet. This would not be battery efficient.

    (This was all configured with the help of Tasker.)

    All of this sounds incredibly complicated, and I'll admit it was not easy to set up, but the end result is that if I leave my home with my phone and my WiFi only tablet, the tablet has an internet connection every single time without me having to do anything. A simpler alternative would be to just put an NFC sticker on the case of the tablet that will turn on the mobile hotspot when you hold your phone up to it (that is how I was doing it before).

    These methods are a lot more nerdy than the average person has time for.

  • http://www.dailynewscompany.com/ dailynewscompany.com

    its too long article dude

  • Anthony

    There is one famous word called "CHOICE", its doesn't matter android or ios it all depends on us how we use and protect our information we put in it. Android or ios will never protect our datas as they make money of it.

    "Android and ios is like a bridge, the more you decorate it the more less stable"

    So we all make our choice and at the end everything us upon us.

    And my choice is...

    Protect your datas from ios and android.

  • Paul M

    Group/family sharing? It's already here.
    You can have multiple Google Play accounts on your phone. I don't think you can do that with iTunes?
    So...
    Most of my extended family is on android, and I created a Google account specifically to own the apps we buy.. suddenly a five dollar game seems inexpensive when in use by three children.

  • Will Moor

    I see Apple is keeping it ugly looking.

  • Pointebasic

    David,

    Great article! As an iOS user ,and more importantly an APPL investor, I always like to hear perspectives from outside the 'Apple circle' of bloggers.

    While most of the highlighted features in the recent keynote are "catch up to Android" (with an Apple twist), my biggest take away is the meme of Apple having ideological opposition to 3rd party keyboards and "extensions" have more or less been dispelled. Whether Apple was ideological and changed "it's" mind or just that these features weren't ready till now, isn't material at this point. I realize, these announcement don't make iOS 8 as "open" as KitKat by any means, but many of the big ticket differences have at least been addressed.

    The second, is Apple as a company seems to have changed from making it's developers work with it, to working WITH its developers.

    I do have one correction. Airdrop (or Airplay for that matter) does NOT require a local network (wifi or otherwise). The communication can happen on peer to peer wifi directly between two iOS devices in the absence of a local wifi network.

    Again, I really enjoyed your article. It comes across as balanced and well thought out considering how soon after the keynote you posted!

    Cheers- PointeBasic

  • Anthony

    Why the hell do you say "iOS will charge you more for your iCloud storage" ? Did you do the math? They more than halved storage price and mostly matched google's

    • Anthony

      ALSO, do you really know you could Sync all your iCloud documents BEFORE iOS8 and the WHOLE point of continuity is that you can now do it with the flick of a button in the homescreen and dont have to be opening apps and searching from documents on the cloud? And did you know you DO NOT REQUIRE to be connected to a Wifi network for airdrop to work? and its NOT THE SAME as dropbox or google drive because you can share with someone else, like on the streets and you dont have to send a link or use your cellular network for the data transfer? Heck, first investigate what you're talking about

  • james braselton

    hi there dont now how many third party keyboards or how many ios widgets android has millions of widgets and apple showed only 4 widgets soo dont worry yet

  • RrfffI

    Apple is WAAAAAYYY!!!!!! Better than android bcs it's original

  • Jeffrey

    Well, good news.
    By the way did you know that you can add a video chat to any iOS app you are developing simply using the guide at http://quickblox.com/developers/SimpleSample-videochat-ios ?

  • Optimus Prime

    Apple sucks dick windows phone and android all the way

  • ace242

    don't you guys think that imessage is just whatsapp?

  • JD

    i agree its more polished but everything else you said is pure crap.

    Ive lived with the best of ios and android devices they both have pros and cons, android may be less polished but it has far more potential.

    Also you forgot to consider visually how far android has come. it wasn't until ios 7 that apple finally changed the whole UI.

    android has drastically changed visually over the years, but apple kind of had a head start on design. and stayed basically the same until ios 6 Google has done a great job trying to make the UI more unified and refined over the years, your blind if you don;t see that.

    Also somehow I doubt you have ever used a recent flagship device for more than a few months. OR At the very least I doubt you Have lived with the Nexus 5 as I have after using all the Major OEMs flagships including apple's iphone 5s.

  • Paul

    Google is the innovator! now. Google now over siri. google now was created by google and won science innovation of the year. Siri was bought in the itunes store by apple and is trying to throw things in like whats this song and go to the purchase store, a year old on android! Apple maps purchased from a map company google maps by google! Apple is buying up companys to give siri the same skills google now has got! But google now is intergrated into the software on android and its only an app on ios! All i can see is apple scrambling to keep up with the onslaught of google! apple maps a disaster siri a joke seriously Android has competition! apple is just not in the game anymore!

  • Tom

    Of course all these copys of Android, apple is going to say but yes we do it better, and the large cult of apple will agree, why because they dont know any better! Also most of these so called feartures im sure apple will say they created and the flock will bow! Why because they have never used anything else since 2007

  • disqus_wjcymkWN3d

    You know what pisses me off. When people give apple credit for thing android had.

  • Basm Hurr

    i have android phone at first i had few crash but after updating it become stable

  • blizzkreme

    I agree that Apple has been always the best but Android has its own way too on consumers satisfaction for I've used both. By the way, how true that Ancient Rome, the one found in http://bit.ly/KNb3Zu, is working well in Android than in iOS?