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Now that HTC's latest and greatest has been unveiled (we also went hands-on), it's time for a rather predictable query to you, our readers: did you buy one, or are you going to?

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The new One boasts a slightly larger display than last year's model, and HTC new dual camera setup allows you to get a sort of knockoff-Lytro experience with your photos. The much-loved BoomSound speakers are making a return, as is the bulk of the original One's styling, apart from some slick new finishes.

So, what say you - is it the One for you, or just another One you won't be buying?

Did you / are you going to buy the new HTC One M8 (2014)?

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David Ruddock
David's phone is whatever is currently sitting on his desk. He is an avid writer, and enjoys playing devil's advocate in editorials, and reviewing the latest phones and gadgets. He also doesn't usually write such boring sentences.

  • anon

    No, I won't buy one. It's an even smaller incremental upgrade than the S5 is.

    • Michael Lee

      That's a bit of a stretch.

      It's a huge upgrade over the original. The only thing I can think of that's a small upgrade is the camera. (And the bezel, but that's not a HUGE deal.)

      • anon

        The M8 has smaller pixel density, bigger bezels, uses the exact same camera sensor as the main camera, looks almost the same as the old one, has the same amount of RAM.

        On the plus side there is a bit better CPU, a larger battery, and the secondary depth sensor camera thing.

        I wouldn't call this a HUGE upgrade.

        • tay

          i stopped reading your comment when i read "smaller picel density"

          • Doakie

            How about less usable pixels? With on screen buttons and a jump from 4.7" to 5.0" means that some of the screen is now given up to on screen buttons and it might actually end up with the same desktop real estate as the M7. But the real kicker is that they didn't delete the space where the keys were before. They just have a giant dead space below the screen now....

          • Ryan

            A nice space, decreasing the need to reach for the bottom and adjust my grip. Soft keys hide when watching videos, so it doesn't really matter.

          • Doakie

            This is my take on the giant wasted space at the bottom of the phone.

            https://plus.google.com/118381085315934978249/posts/QoMFk5NJuDo

            This crappy layout added with the low megapixel camera means I'll pass on this year's One.

          • NemaCystX

            Hopefully a teardown will reveal why that big black bar that EVERYONE is complaining about is there. You have to have room for the Boom sound components and I believe HTC did the same with the last one. I personally think the next HTC One Max will have the thin bezels

          • MITM

            wasted space? theres a fucking front facing speaker and amp at the bottom of the phone

        • nofearofimaginarymen

          I agree. They also took out OIS and added that gimmicky camera feature. The big upgrade in this One is the battery life. For me battery life is huge and it seems like HTC might have actually done right despite the battery size. Oh and the SD card support is a nice addition.

        • TY

          And the S5 has smaller pixel density, bigger bezels, looks worse than the old one, has the same amount of RAM.

          On the plus side there is a bit better CPU, a larger battery, waterproof, and the heart rate monitor under the camera thing.

          I wouldn't call this a HUGE upgrade either.

          Remember, the M8 also added an SD card slot, and the side bezels actually decreased, so at least I won't say M8 is less of an upgrade than S5.

          • nofearofimaginarymen

            Also a good point. Both are incremental upgrades. Maybe we are hitting a plateau for android hardware. M8 is "better" built with better speakers and Sense 6 looks and feels way better than other manufacturer skins. S5 has a better camera, water resistant, and has a few other features like taking a pulse (since a finger to your carotid wouldn't do the trick) and doesn't have a huge chin. Neither is a bad choice.

          • TY

            Indeed, OEMs in the latest year seem to focus on user experience more than the past years (which Apple has been doing for years). This is a good thing, I would say. The hardware is already getting very capable, what we need now is better software.

        • Fred Chiang

          its a different camera sensor dammit. just because its still 4 ultrapixels does not mean its the same sensor....

        • Fred Chiang

          and the design is much more refined

  • http://www.emuparadise.me/roms-isos-games.php Apple is a patent troll

    The subpar camera as well as the lack of removable battery is why I won't buy the M8.

    • varun

      I was ready to buy the 2014 One - even put the money aside for it - but I'm skipping it because of the camera. I know it's hard, if not impossible, for Android OEMs to compete with Apple on the camera side, but I had high hopes for HTC as the only OEM who might care to compete. What a disappointment - the FFC seems to be churning out better shots than the back camera.

      Ugh. Sony better have an amazing camera in their next device, and a GPe version to boot. Otherwise, it's back to iOS if that larger screen iPhone materializes and that makes me tremendously sad. :(

      • Doakie

        No mention of the Galaxy S 5? Honestly that would be my choice if I was forced to buy one of this Springs flagships.

        • varun

          We'll wait for the reviews, but I want a stock Android experience and the last Samsung device I used (an S3) was completely over the top and ass-backwards from the Nexus experience.

      • WORPspeed

        HTC the only OEM who'd care to compete?
        Sony's Z line would love to have a word with you

        • varun

          ??
          There's a second paragraph which starts with "Sony". I just prefer a stock Android experience.

          • WORPspeed

            Insert Futurama meme: Not sure if I missed reading that or if you edited it

            Still, if any OEM cares to compete on the camera front with Apple I'd say it is Sony rather than HTC. I'd even say Sony's latest camera's (those in the Z1 and Z2) are already better than Apple's...they are no Nokia 40+mp camera's, but they are second-best (with Apple being third)

          • varun

            No, it was always there.

            Unfortunately, the Z Ultra GPe has the 8MP, not the 20.7MP. There's no GPe device with the 20.7MP.

            Edit: WORPspeed, eh. Slower on the reading :)

          • varun

            The para was always there, otherwise it would say edited x time ago, not x time ago.

            And I think repeated tests by others strongly suggest that even with the megapixel deficit, Apple's cameras are capable of putting out better shots in many cases than either Nokia or Sony cameras. This is especially true at night and inside. Where other cameras have an edge are corner cases - macro and zoom, for example.

            Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of Apple's mobile products and find iOS too limiting for my daily use, but credit where credit is due that I often get better photos out of the 5MP no-flash shooter on the back of my iPad than I do from my daily driver Nexus 5. And that's really sad. Step it up Android OEMs.

      • Cory

        http://www.colbybrownphotography.com/gear-review-a-photographers-take-on-the-htc-one-m8-2014

        Try reading a pro photographers take who says the camera is great

        • varun

          I'm really happy for him, but I don't use it exactly the way he does. I don't usually sit around to edit photos in Lightroom and Photoshop as the ExIF data suggests he's doing. And finally, try printing a 4MP picture for your grandparents - no matter how good you think it looks on screen, it comes out as an unusable low-res mess at any size that you'd care to print it.

    • Cory

      A professional photographer disagrees with you I think he knows more than http://www.colbybrownphotography.com/gear-review-a-photographers-take-on-the-htc-one-m8-2014

  • Kiceg

    No, because it's ugly.

    And I don't have the money :D

    • Shade

      If the M8 is ugly, then I don't want to imagine what you'd think of every other Android phone ever made.

      • Kiceg

        Previous One was much, much better looking for me. And yeah, nearly every phone out there is pretty meh too.

        • NemaCystX

          ah, you prefer the industrial look.

          The M8 is HTC going back to its "rounded curve" roots.

          If you look at the previous HTC devices from 2010 and upwards to now, you will see what i'm referring to.

          They basically combined their design language they used to use on previous devices and the M7's design and made this gorgeous M8.

          The designer of the M7 was arrested for sharing company secrets and he wasn't an original HTC designer either which was why the design was so radically different from previous designs.

          • PoisonApple31

            Bring back the designer of the M7, he would have found a way to take that useless black bar with HTC logo out of there.

          • Cory

            It's not useless you fool. Do some research

          • PoisonApple31

            Covering circuitry and antennae is not an actual "use" of the space. There were buttons on the black bar with the M7 - "useful". I am also not suggesting to stretch the screen and screw up the aspect ratio either. The designer of the M7 would have found a way around this - perhaps making the "HTC" logo an onscreen home button instead of the "home" icon, eliminating that black bar. There is enough top/bottom bezel with the front facing speakers.

            Still butthurt, fool?

          • Cory

            The only fool is you. You have no understanding of engineering nor of the word useless

          • PoisonApple31

            The desired outcome according to my comment would be to have the black bar "add functionality" to the user experience. Since the black bar does not fulfill the desired outcome, it is "useless."

            When did I claim to be an engineer, Captain Butthurt?

        • Art

          Interesting. I like rounded-phones better, but that's just me.

  • Mason Gup

    Nah. Already have the original M7 One, and this isn't enough of an upgrade. Plus, it looks like it's quite a bit longer, and the current one is already on the long side for me. Why couldn't they get rid of the HTC bezel and put their HTC logo as a coloring effect over the speaker grille? And get a better camera too? Okay, I probably still wouldn't get one if it had all that stuff, but it'd be nicer.

    • nofearofimaginarymen

      As far as the camera goes, since it is the same sensor, I do not see why they couldn't just clean up the software to get the M7 to look like the M8 photos (minus the after photo focal point).

    • Bonedatt

      True! They should have stuck to hardware buttons and they could easily have made the HTC Logo a functional home button and make it light up like the other buttons do on the M7. Removing OIS from the camera and not increasing the rear camera to atleast a 10mp ultra pixel was really not a smart move either. The M8 is a beautiful device. It just seems like HTC adds and removes rather than continue to improve while retaining features that work. Anyway, I must thank HTC though for making a unique phone in the M7 and helping me not see a need to upgrade my 11 months old phone for at least another three years.

  • Akshay Mehta

    I would have had but I got my nexus 5 few months back and I don't have money to buy this. :/

  • Sean Powell

    If it had an 8MP camera I'd be more interested

    • NemaCystX

      MP isn't what makes the camera better. MP makes the pictures BIGGER but not necessarily better.

      The sensor is what makes the pictures better and HTC uses the best sensor each year.

      The second camera acting like a Lytro camera where you can re-focus pictures later on is a nice plus and a first in any smartphone.

      The Moto X has a 10MP camera and it sucks, of course Motorola always used bad image sensors too and they still have yet to get a good sensor. The Moto X also uses UltraPixel tech as well but it is NOWHERE near as good as the HTC One

      I took a picture outside, it was pitch black, used both the Moto X and the HTC One and the Moto X even with its UltraPixel-like tech didn't hardly see a thing. The HTC One, it took a picture like you would see a DSLR at night take one. It was so clear and well lit. I was very impressed but I stuck with the Moto X because I didn't like the capacitive layout and Sense 5.x (I liked the previous versions of Sense up to Sense 3.x but it has gotten uglier and uglier since)

  • tim242

    It is not for me. I will be getting the S5.

    • Cory

      Low IQ over here

    • Guest

      I'd wait for the Note 4. The S5 is just... eh, you know. lol

  • Ryan Batty

    HTC didn't learn their lesson why the og One didn't sell well. The small battery and low MP camera are just too big of a deal breaker when comparing to many other flagships

    • Doakie

      That's funny. I thought they didn't sell because average people didn't see any advertisements for it. :) I successfully referred two people to M7's last year. The third one I referred got returned and she bought a Galaxy S4 instead. She didn't like the One. But none of the people I referred had seen any advertisements about it or even heard the name before I told them about it.

      • David Margolin

        htc advertises a lot but they make some really crappy ads... Yeah, they got rdj... but they ended up with one of the worst ads i've ever seen... http://youtu.be/-oTYzM7l5P8

        • Gabernasher

          The hipster troll carwash was the shit, no idea what you're talking about.

      • spg210

        HTC One was advertised regularly. I saw it on TV at least every other night. I'm sure millions others saw them as well during primetime. A few boomsound spots and a blinkfeed ad. There also were Internet ads. You can check on YouTube to see the ads that were on TV. Plus the HTC One was displayed in the stores with prominent posters and physical devices right alongside the Samsung devices, for all to see when they entered the stores. The HTC One was a mystery to noone. For whatever reasons, people gravitated to other devices instead of the HTC One. It had nothing to do with the public not knowing it existed.

        • namesib

          This. Every phone store (whether physical or online) will have prominent advertisements or display versions of the flagships they are selling because they are obviously the big profit makers. This "it wasn't advertised enough" BS is mythical.

          • svede

            Samsung's advertising budget is as big as HTC's gross sales. If you read the comments here it's easy to see people are persuaded by hype and specs without actually using something.

      • http://cobravision.wordpress.com/ Cobravision

        It didn't sell well because the people who gave advice to average consumers, like their phone geeks friends and salespeople in the carrier stores, boiled down the One in two words: "bad camera". That's why it was a deal breaker and why it was insane for HTC to double down on the 4mp camera. Then again, they claim they sold a ton of M7's, so maybe all they want is the same level of sales. You'd think they would want to swing for the fences and convert the S3 owners whose contracts are coming up this year. The M8 is not going to do that.

        • Cory

          http://www.colbybrownphotography.com/gear-review-a-photographers-take-on-the-htc-one-m8-2014

          A pro photographer says the camera is very good. Feel stupid yet?

          • http://cobravision.wordpress.com/ Cobravision

            "The camera on the M8 probably isn’t the best camera available, but it certainly does have its strengths... The down side? You are still stuck with a 4mp sensor, which in this day and age, can be a touch frustrating when you want a little more from your images."

            Oh yeah, he's positively glowing over it. Maybe you should learn how to read.

          • Cory

            Maybe you should actually try reading the entire review of the camera instead of picking just one little thing out. Because he did say if you actually read his review that the camera is great. So nice try yous stupid twat.

      • n_a_v

        They don't advertise because they don't have money. They don't have money because they don't advertise.

        • Gabernasher

          So how did they pay RDJ 12 million?

    • TY

      MegahertzMegapixels16GBRAM1000PPIDISPLAY10000MAHBATTERY...
      No. I won't support them if they just focus on what the so-called geeks THINK they need. Some merely rely on figures such as 2600mAh battery, not realizing this is not the whole picture. For instance, battery tests of the M8 shows it lasts better than the G2.
      While there are indeed areas they can improve (the camera has potential, improve the software! Make it shine more in the dark!), I respect them. I respect companies that really put effort in their works, that's why I want to support them. For now Motorola and HTC are on my list.

      • Ryan Batty

        Looking at the latest camera comparison at phone arena the m8 camera was ranked last, even behind the gn5. Of all reviews out there the battery, efficient as it is, does not last much longer than the m7 which a lot of people griped about. Unfortunately HTC's go against the grain technique makes a good but not desirable phone

        • Gabernasher

          GN5? Galaxy Note 5? It was ranked behind a phone from 2015?

          • http://cobravision.wordpress.com/ Cobravision

            Google Nexus 5.

          • Gabernasher

            Oh, I always just call it the N5. Thanks for clarifying.

        • Fred Chiang

          Actually i've looked at several real sample images from m8, galaxy s5, lg g2 and xperia z2. I would say the M8 is not better, but about the same as the other ones. They all have unique problems tho - the s5 has very poor low light performance, the Z2 has too much noise (drastically), and the g2 white balance is off, resulting in very odd colors.

        • cryosx

          According to the tests and user data, I actually believe the battery lasts significantly longer than the One (2013).

          Users have been shown to get between 6-8 hours of on-screen time.
          http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694719

          HTC claims 40% longer, and i'm inclined to believe them.

          http://anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review/8

          http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-m8-battery-test/

      • NemaCystX

        Excellent post, People need to look at the quality of the device and its features rather than just specs. Those high specs can be a battery hog too. Look at the Moto X, it has a 2200mAh battery and it lasts over a day on a single charge.

        You can't please anyone anymore, even if they got a bigger battery they would complain that the device is too big or too heavy, then when HTC changed that they would complain that another feature was taken away. You CANNOT have EVERYTHING!!!!

    • Squirett

      HTC flagship could simply use 2 cameras:
      - One camera with high megapixels.
      - One low light camera with ultrapixels.

      That's a win-win, nobody will complain. If only HTC realize it sooner..

      • Mr.Dodge

        They did put one....
        In the front. -.-

      • Spoorthy Vemula

        But it'll cost a ton and be confusing af to consumers. This setup is fine just crappily executed.

        • Gabernasher

          They already charge $650-$700 I'm sure it wouldn't hurt the margin that badly. High quality cameras cost no more than $25 to the OEM.

          • Spoorthy Vemula

            I'd rather have them spending that extra 20$ per phone on marketing.

      • cryosx

        ZOEs would be huge if they were made with 13+ mp shots

      • Cory

        Such a fool you are

    • Art

      The battery on the M8 is not bad at all. It doesn't burn through it like a lot of phones.
      It is better than you think.

      However, yeah, the camera is not so great. It's okay, but eh. I'm gonna wait for the HTC One M9.

  • Zyre

    Sadly don't have the money for it. Besides, i still have another year on my Nexus 4 :)

  • droid4lif3

    Nexus 6, thats all I gots to say.

    • Captain Spaulding

      G3

      • nofearofimaginarymen

        I am sure it will be a beast. I just want to see LG be a little more aggressive in updating software.

        • Captain Spaulding

          I got 4.4.2 on my G2 close to a month before Note 3 owners.

          • nofearofimaginarymen

            Good to know.

          • Captain Spaulding

            hmmm

          • NemaCystX

            love the "troll.me" watermark.

            This has been wayyyyy over done. Its so old

          • Deonix

            It may be good if you are upgrading once a year. Or else LG has quite a bad track record. Former user of the former LG flagship (Optimus G) that is stuck at 4.1.2 for 1.5 years now. So i switched to a HTC One -2013 and it's far better (besides specs).
            I know they stepped up their game but i am curious after the G3 comes.... how will they support the G2. The S800 in it is more than capable.

          • Captain Spaulding

            I agree, but I guess I'm in that "upgrade often" group. The G2 is the 5th phone I've had in the last year (I came a long way in a year, though). 1 year ago, I had a GS2, then went to Xperia Ion, One X, Moto X, and finally G2. I plan on upgrading around the 1st of the year and staying on that cycle (1st of the year, maybe Christmas, every year).

          • https://play.google.com/store/search?q=kodiak+211 Google_Is_The_Higgs_Boson

            I had a GS2 Epic for 2 years, because I could not make up my mind... Loving my new N5 tho... N6 or 7 will be next for me... I'm done with skinned Android... And I want the updates as soon as they come out...

      • Doakie

        Only problem with the LG G series is that with it launching so late in the year is almost like a early competitor to the following year. The G2 was the first Snapdragon 800 phone of the flagships for this Spring.

        • Captain Spaulding

          That's kinda what I like about it, it may be one of the first chances at getting the next generation of specs and features.

          • Doakie

            But not for like 6 more months. When I'm considering a fall upgrade I always think the Galaxy Note series.

          • Captain Spaulding

            I'm not much of a Samsung fan, I don't dislike them, I just don't care for their design. The GS2 was the last Samsung phone that I really liked.

          • https://play.google.com/store/search?q=kodiak+211 Google_Is_The_Higgs_Boson

            I lost interest in them... And with Tizen most likely coming, I wont buy from them...

          • hot_spare

            Someone from Tizen bullied you as a kid? stole your lunch?

          • https://play.google.com/store/search?q=kodiak+211 Google_Is_The_Higgs_Boson

            Yes, stole my Fritos, and poured my chili on my head... :)

          • Gabernasher

            Their love of the physical button flanked by capacitive has lost me. Also, too much bloat.

          • Captain Spaulding

            Exactly, I can't stand that ugly ass physical home button.

          • janzour

            only reason why I consider Samsungs and why I bought them, is actually the physical home button.

          • Captain Spaulding

            just a matter of personal preference

        • Cael

          G3 is supposed to be coming May/June :P

          • Doakie

            Oh really? Haven't heard that before.

          • Cael

            There's been plenty of rumors, Korea news saying it, and leaked training documents saying May/June.

      • Doakie

        Only problem with the LG G series is that with it launching so late in the year is almost like a early competitor to the following year. The G2 was the first Snapdragon 800 phone of the flagships for this Spring.

      • GeeKLoRD

        In 5 months, the Xperia Z3! xP

        • Captain Spaulding

          A formidable foe.

        • Somedude

          And also the best of the best. The iPhone 6! Yeahhhhh!!

          • iphoneretard

            LMAO! iphone is garbage!

      • Dominick White

        I am hoping LG Brings back the SD card in their U. S models

        • Captain Spaulding

          That would be great.

    • TY

      2nd generation Moto X

    • Rook HD

      waiting for Note 4 and ...iphone 6.

    • PoisonApple31

      Try to put a decent camera in the phone, take 6!

    • Aaron

      Z2

  • Ryan

    I actually really like the bezel and think it is a lot more practical to reach the navigation buttons when they aren't at the very bottom. I also thought the camera in the m7 was one of the best I've had in a mobile device, g2, n4, n5. Moto x, xperia z zl and z1 included. Just because the MPs aren't as high as others doesn't mean anything to me. Specs aren't all that important.

    • Doakie

      Megapixels aren't important? Take a look at this picture I took in Hawaii.

      https://www.dropbox.com/sc/45ah7ah06ma9mrl/IyrzY8tcop

      Look at how you can't read a single letter of the sign, zoom in on the water and it's totally indistinct. When you take 3000 pictures in paradise you'd probably like to be able to zoom in on your pictures to remember the sights.

      I used to think the M7 was a good camera as well then reviewing my trip photos I changed my mind. Now I have a Note 3 I look closely at its landscape shots and there's actually details in the distance!

      • Nicholas Ruiz

        Finally someone besides me that wants the megapixels so they can zoom in on photos. I don't want to carry around a DSLR all the time. 8 megapixels seems to be the Sweet spot, but more is good as long as the shutter speed and such doesn't suffer. I think the M8 photos I have seen don't look very good

        • http://blog.joshsouzaphotos.com/ joshsouzaphotos

          The camera is the same as the first HTC One, it works well.. it isn't a slouch, but you are correct you do lose the zoom in ability of having more megapixels. 4mp is perfect for a small print and Facebook, but that is about it.

          The one thing that had me scratching my head if I was going to upgrade to a G5 or a M8 was the fact that the M8 has more camera controls then the G5, but the end of the day, I usually have one of my real cameras when I need it anyways.

          Grabbed the Note 2 on day one and it served me well, but I'm more than excited to replace it with the G5.

      • flosserelli

        The Note 3 camera is awesome. I borrowed one and went to a concert (the lighting fluctuated constantly), and the raw photos were absolutely fantastic. They needed no enhancing at all. My girlfriend's sister has a Note 3 and took lots of photos on her recent Vegas trip, and they were stunning. Even the night shots were amazing.

      • Ryan

        It's a decent picture. Looks fine until you try to do an unreasonable crop. Not something I'd pay to see an upgrade in. I wouldn't turn away if it was upgraded, but I definitely won't pay for it, I take maybe 200 pictures a year.

  • K

    Not a fan of the extra height added. The M7 was already plenty tall, now adding about an extra centimeter or whatever it was? It's a sexy looking device but I'm not a fan of the iPhone like approach they're taking making it longer, narrow and with so much bezel.

    • Squirett

      And asymmetric bezel at that.
      With iPhone at least you get symmetrical bezel, still comfort when watching landscape videos.

      • NemaCystX

        on a tiny 4" screen that should be a 5" screen by now

  • Jarl

    I'll wait to see what the oneplus one brings, also hope the rumours about the Butterfly s successor are true

    • Doakie

      I put no faith in a manufacturer that's never released a product before. It takes years to perfect a product. I know their leadership has built phones before but they have a new team that isn't established. Something will end up suffering when they price their phones so competitively without having deep pockets backing them up.

      • nofearofimaginarymen

        I believe the guy running oneplus is from OPPO. OPPO has been around a while and have been known for pushing hardware forward.

  • http://www.failuretodream.com/ lostboardmayhem

    The M8 looks nice, but after having OLED screens on a couple devices I don't think I can go back to an LCD. I know most people don't care but I want black pixels to really be black pixels.

  • Danny Theriault

    No, not planning on upgrading this year. But while I was planning on jumping ship from HTC (M7wls owner) without waiting to see the M9 (Probably to the Nexus 6 or LG G3), I'm now not going to grab anything until I see it. The M8 has revived my faith in HTC's ability to put out a great phone- particularly on the software side. Sense 6 absolutely flies and looks beautiful (Even better than stock, IMHO). I'm no fan of the M8's bezels either, but it's earned HTC my attention.

  • DrM

    Already have the M7 (and a Sensation before that), not that thrilled, plus I only change phones every two years, no relation to contracts. No reason to do so every year.
    If they'll still be in business to make a good M9 though, they'll probably have my money. Again.

  • flosserelli

    I'm buying one for a gift, but I don't think I would buy one for myself.

  • Aayush Singhal

    No, because when I bought a Samsung galaxy grand (I9082) , I immediately decided that the next phone I buy would be light in weight and should have a smaller footprint

  • Mark Allen

    I moved from a One X to a Note 3 this week, loving it so far.

  • bearballz

    Damn, I'm still not sure what to get. All the reviews I've read so far for the M8 have hit on the fact that the camera is the weak link in the phone. I'll probably wait until the S5 is out then make my decision then.

    Now if HTC wants to throw in one of those cool Dot View cases then I would be swayed into picking up an M8.

  • EH101

    I saw a M8 yesterday and considered buying it, but I'll be waiting until the S5 is in local stores so I can compare them side-by-side.

    For now, the only opinion I can offer is the M8 looks disproportionately tall and the display phones were extremely hot.

  • Randy Strye

    the "i'm getting an s4 because the one's camera sucks" comments are cracking me up.

    • designgears

      "Gotta get the one with the bigger megapixels!!"

      • Doakie

        "Gotta get the one with enough megapixels!!" Fixed.

        • Randy Strye

          megapixels aren't everything....

          • cryosx

            but 8 mp would be welcomed

          • Grayson

            But they are something. I don't need a 16, 20, or 40MP camera in my phone, but I do need at least 8MP so I can enjoy viewing the photos I take on high res tablets, laptops, and desktop computers. I had the 2013 One, and while photos looked great on the phone's screen and on Facebook, they looked pretty soft, noisy, and disappointing on my various larger screens.

    • Doakie

      You mean S5? Yeah I agree. Buying a valid competing smartphone is so dumb.

      • Randy Strye

        i didn't say that. i just think that saying that you're going to buy one phone with a bad camera because this camera is bad is silly. besides, they're both unreleased. how do we know how either of them will work in the real world?

      • Randy Strye

        also, for the record, i'm not getting either phone.. or any phone in the near future for that matter

  • Milton

    It uses lagdroid so, No

    • flosserelli

      ...says the person that has not even spent 10 minutes with one.

      • Milton

        I don't need to, android is so old fashioned...

        • PoisonApple31

          Milton Bradley is still using a flip phone. He thought they were cool again after watching Breaking Bad.

    • Doakie

      Hey troll why are you even at Android Police?

      • Milton

        There is life outside lagdroid

    • Brandon Jiang

      it actually runs iOS.... do your research man

      • Milton

        IOS? Disgusting

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/rekab REkAB

    HTC One M8 in hand And very happy. Wish it was not bigger but the speed is blistering and it feels great.

  • robert alexander

    I'm holding out for the OnePlus One

    • Cory

      Holding out for disappointment

      • robert alexander

        How so? It's cheaper, better spec'd and comes unlocked with 2 yrs cm support.

        • Cory

          Better spec'd? Hardly.

          And how so? How so is because the phone has been so over hyped by them that it is only going to be disappointing everyone waiting for it. And pretty much all the Android blogs and podcasts agree.

          • robert alexander

            You already know it's a disappointment before it's released? This just became a retarded conversation.

          • Cory

            Overhyped always leads to disappointment. Anytime anything is overhyped it always turns into being a disappointment. And again most of the Android blogs and podcasts agree that the phone will be a disappointment because it isn't going to be better than anything else on the market ie the S5 or the M8 and it has been overhyped.

  • Jadephyre

    If I had the money for it I would, but since its hella expensive off contract, i'm not going to.

    • PoisonApple31

      Or the Nexus 5 is hella cheap.

      • Jadephyre

        Yeah, or that. It's just that the Nexus 5 doesn't offer me enough advantages over the Nexus 4. I don't need LTE, neither do I need 32GB of internal memory right now. I probably will get it though once a Nexus 6 will be announced since then the price is going to drop even more :)

        • PoisonApple31

          Incremental upgrades are tough - except for Note owners. It would seem at this point it's all I have :)

          • Jadephyre

            Well, the Note never came up as a choice. Not to sound like a dick, but what is all the technological progress good for where we came from holding bricks to our heads to the smaller form-factor we had up until a year or two ago and having the phones become bricks again now :P Doesn't make sense to me ;)

  • Brandon Power

    I'm surprised that there isn't any bashing in these comments

  • TheRealCBONE

    More wasted bezel than anything ever and only a smattering of accessories to choose from. Pass.

  • Jeff Baldinger

    I can not understand how anyone would choose galaxy over an HTC . I had a Galaxy once and after having an HTC , I won't be going back to Galaxy and DEFINITELY not to the boring iphone. Guess that's why there is more than one flavor ice cream. It's all in what you prefer.

    • PoisonApple31

      Most people have been burned by HTC (especially on Verizon) before and Samsung really pushed the envelope with specs with their Galaxy S Line until everyone else caught up in 2013.

  • Kiamat

    Already ordered the unlocked One in Glacial Silver. I would've gone DE, but silver wasn't an option. I never rooted my M7 so I'm not sweating the bootloader.

  • cryosx

    Need the extra space/sd card, have only 1 gb left on my 64 gb HTC One (music 40gb).

  • kamenrider

    Extra bazel??.... NOPE!

    • Cory

      Do some research to find out why it is their you fool

      • PoisonApple31

        Instead of using your time to call all of us fools, why don't you just explain your view like an adult, instead of being childish?

  • Heimrik

    The camera and sealed battery is just something I cannot overlook. I am super stoked that they finally added a microSD card slot for expandable storage, which is an awesome step forward for HTC, and I love the premium design and idea behind this device, but it just isnt for me...

    • Cory

      http://www.colbybrownphotography.com/gear-review-a-photographers-take-on-the-htc-one-m8-2014 a pbotographer says the phone has a great camera. Think he knows more than you. Also only stupid people want a removeable battery. They are a thing of the past. Samsung will stop with them soon.

      • Heimrik

        wow... that was unnecessary. I just said it wasnt for me. Didnt say I was a HTC phone expert. And it is MY preference as it is many others, to have a removable battery. I like the idea that if my battery fails or is defective, all I have to do is replace it. Stop being a fanboy. Its ridiculously annoying how fanboys like you who take any kind of stance against your fanboy lifestyle and take it so personally..... You dont have to agree but you should respect the preferences and opinions of others.

  • Random number

    I got One and love it. I upgraded from an s3 and I couldn't be happier. Will there be more powerful phones coming out this year? Yes. But that's the name of the game when it comes to phones. I could wait for a g3 but the the note 4 will be close to release. And so forth. I'm very happy with the m8 especially the speakers.

  • CasperTFG

    Waiting on the 2014 HTC Max (Ace).

  • IncCo

    Too many mistakes HTC. Bezel fail and low MP camera.

  • Peter Vernelen

    Oppo Find7 or the sheduled LG G3 just saying :)

  • Emexci Life

    after using bb z10 and moto x, i said i only buy blackberry or motorola after that. i will wait what moto x2 will bring or next blackberry. but im big fan of htc designs. if they make this phone with moto x size with high end specs(like z1 compact), then i migh think to buy one. whatever it costs..

  • Guest

    Maybe if it is dirty cheap.. I mean Nexus-like cheap, maybe then. It just doesnt feel like a flagship when it has a stupid 4MPix camera.

  • https://plus.google.com/+TroyLeonard Troy Leonard

    Nexus or die

  • Alan Shearer

    Depends on what the moto x 2 or nexus 6 bring to the table, but this one is on the watch list to replace my xperia zl in december.

  • NemaCystX

    This or the next Nexus, whichever is better

  • Scott Erckman

    waiting on April 11to get my T-Mobile One!

  • lenispooner

    I loved my HTC one. Until the latest update to my camera/gallery highlights. HTC is pushing the proprietary button and NOT allowing me to save and externally edit my own content. HTC share only. NOT impressed.

  • redman

    The next Nexus Tablet or Phone will be coming out from HTC. Also, the HTC ONE MAX will be announcing soon as well.

  • steelew

    I voted no but only because I have an S4 and its not that much of an upgrade yet.

  • Jillxz

    G3 for me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Jeremy6820 Jeremy Gomez

    I really only want the Sony Xperia Z2, but since it probably won't be available on my carrier (Sprint), I'll see what else is coming out this year. I can't upgrade for a few months anyway. And I'm always willing to wait even longer if a great phone is scheduled to be released.

    Btw, heads up to anyone that may suggest me switch carriers, Sprint is honestly best option for me. T-Mobile doesn't have the coverage I need. Verizon and AT&T have no unlimited data, plus cost more. I'm on a family plan, and we pay about $60 a month each, which includes insurance on each device.

  • MrWicket

    looks great but not gonna get one.

  • Your Mother

    sexy all metal finish with sense 6 and nobody wants it, lol. I guess touch wiz and plastic aint as bad as most of you make it out to be.

    • Dominick White

      Only people that seems to have a issue with it Were people on tech blogs, most people I known that have it in the real world like the Galaxy series because it is so light.. I am a big HTC but I don't like the design they going with the HTC one line. I wish they would of stayed with the butterfly line looks.

  • Eli Gee

    I will NEVER buy a phone that I can't change the battery of, ever.

  • MITM

    waiting for Tmobie to bring the M8 out

  • Luis Velazco

    Already bought one and I'm in love. I really liked myself S4 but now that I have the M8 I realize that all the gimmicky things the S4 had were nice but I never used them. That is what primarily swayed me. The M8 cuts out all the BS and gives you what you need and Will use in the most high quality and beautiful package. I was always ok with Samsung's build and didn't think build materials would matter to me... It most definitely does. I'm an HTC convert.

  • marvi0

    Went into the local 3 shop to have a look at the phone, not impressed as compared to my galaxy s4, htc have wasted a lot of screen at the bottom were the HTC logo is. Surely they could have maximised all that space into more screen as to me it looks like a waste. So the phone is bigger than an s4,and yet the screen size is same as s4,not impressed.

    • Cory

      Try doing some research you fool. And the phone will always be tall because of the front facing speakers

  • acer1096xxx

    Well it's time to upgrade for me, so I figured the HTC One M8 will do me justice coming from the GS3. I know the camera isn't great, but that doesn't bother me much. I'd get an Xperia Z2 if I could, but it's likely it won't be available for Sprint anytime soon : (if at all).

  • Rahul Nebhnani

    where is the option that no cant buy one because i'm broke after buying a moto x and a PS 4?

  • Nathan Fernandes

    Most of the ppl i know who are tech illiterate will go online have a look at the specs on gsm arena and buy the phone with the best specs.. so the 4mp/up cam on the htc one is gonna be a deal breaker

  • Pau1ey

    No, definitely not. I was way too disappointed in the M7's camera to try another HTC at this point, especially with the same camera mius OIS. I'll give em a few years then check back. I preordered the Sony Xperia Z3 from Handtech.co.uk and now just waiting patiently.

  • smeddy

    HTC are my favourite company. But without a removable battery/SD I'm always going to go for the Note series. And the Note 3 is an awesome phone.

    • Fellwalker

      Swap battery, needs reboot; lose everything you were doing. External battery means just continue working. Best would be if manufacturers have is properly leading batteries like old phones used to, rather than pandering to journalists who all laud the thinnest phone.

      • smeddy

        I completely agree on the trend to thinnest. I'd much rather have a bigger battery. But sometimes a reboot is better than being tethered to a charger.

        • Fellwalker

          If I had to leave it tethered I'd agree, but I just carry the battery pack, and have only had to use it twice.

      • PoisonApple31

        Meh. It only takes a few seconds for the Note 3 to reboot after swapping the battery. You just go and grab a cold one from the fridge and boom you are set to go. It doesn't matter when the battery tech improves or not, at some point if you don't have a removable battery you'll still have to charge it. I want the ability to just go do my thing and not worry about the charging. Although I do it infrequently with the Note 3, I got used to swapping with the damn Galaxy Nexus.

        • Fellwalker

          From the fridge! Wow, do you carry one of them about with you when you are away from home. The Note has a bigger battery anyway, and is quite a bit heavier. I've got a Nexus 5; it (just) lasts the day.

          • PoisonApple31

            No the extra battery sits at home. Business trips or vacations i'll bring it a long in my bag. Swapping works well on the weekends after long ass days and then going out at night. I rarely ever plug my actual phone in. Of course the Note 3 is heavier, why would I expect a much bigger phone to weigh anywhere near the Nexus 5?

  • GazaIan

    I want one, especially for the speakers and the case, but $700 is steeeeeep. I've been spoiled by Nexus pricing.

  • some dude who aint rude

    Uh, no. The nailed it with the speakers though. But seriously, too expensive.
    For me, I'd buy the upcoming Moto X, if I'm not broke by then. I've never been a fan of the Sense UI or the Touchwiz UI (granted the swipe to call feature is handy). But nothing beats stock. The Moto X acheived that. But due to Lenovo's acquistion, I've lost some hope in the availability of updates for Motorola.

  • Besnik Rrustemi

    HTC One M8: waited so long & dissapointed,camera is worse now than before(remove ois for a shittty feature that can be done with a tons of apps on google play store).
    Nexus 5 is my current target but im going to wait for motorola.i hope they make a (more) high-end phone in terms of specs.does someone know when is motorola next event/keynote/(whatever its called) ?.

  • John Daniel

    Not forgiven HTC for not upgrading android on my One-S when it was still pretty new. Very happy with my N5 now and much cheaper.

  • Fellwalker

    Love the quality, performance, OK with Sense. I feel they've wasted so much money on the cameras with only 4mp and very wide angle. Especially when they know that is not enough and put 5mp for the front facing camera! I'd rather a slightly deeper phone and better battery with 2 day life that pretty much guarantees a full heavy days use.

  • mike

    If the new one didn't have the logo in front they wouldn't have anything to brag about next year. "Bigger screen same size phone".

  • htmn

    I just ordered a One and will see it Tuesday. Regardless of the current camera reviews, from what I saw in the store, it will be better than my current S3. I'm excited to not charge my phone 3 times a day anymore!

  • vasras

    Oppo Find7, if I want a cam phone and the best screen + SoC + RAM

    Note3 if I want a phablet + 3GB of RAM

    S5 if I'm a fitness geek and need replaceable battery + decent cam.

    HTC? If I like aluminium body with no change to swap battery and everything else is not the best.

  • Sebastian Bartlett

    I'm waiting to see what the g3 and note 4 is like, definitely not a HTC One M8 though.

  • Simon Belmont

    No. Didn't order one, and I'll be sticking with my Nexus 5 for quite a long time (I love it). My wife has an OG HTC One and based on what I saw, it wasn't worthy of recommending an upgrade. Don't get me wrong, my wife is really happy with her OG HTC One, but that's really the main reason why it doesn't make sense to even look at the M8 (the update is very iterative).

    If I'm honest, I'm disappointed that they didn't at least throw a 6mp camera into the M8. I know megapixels aren't the be all and end all of photo quality, but in this case, the added detail afforded by a higher resolution sensor would have been very welcome. Screens to view photos are getting higher resolution by the year, and cropping isn't fun on a 4mp photo. The loss of OIS is another head scratcher as it's something that both my Nexus 5 and my wife's original HTC One and have and find extremely useful. The camera is really the most saddening part of the package. No doubt it will still take really nice shots, but it just doesn't feel like much of an upgrade, despite the duo camera feature.

    • Cory

      They have OIS. They have it in software instead of hardware. And people need to stop bitching about it not being a massive upgrades we have reached a plateau not every new phone a huge upgrade from the previous

  • artiplier

    Not a huge fan of the onscreen buttons since they kept the HTC logo area the same anyway. But overall this phone has pretty much everything I'd want, including the sdcard slot. I waited for HTC to add that back and hung on to my original HTC Desire with a 64GB card for a long time. I ended up buying a Note 3 but I still prefer HTC. Maybe next year I'll switch back when I consider a new phone again.

  • n_a_v

    Still happy with my Nexus 4. After HTC's crappy support of phones I've owned in the past, I wouldn't buy from them again...at least not until we see how they support the '13 and '14 One.

  • andrew__des_moines

    I will be getting a Note 4 next. However, I hope this phone spooks Samsung into going with premium materials and design on that phone. I will be cheering for high sales numbers on the M8.

  • Bruno

    45% no... Haha ! I think people woke up and realized that HTC make shitty product... My friend bought an old Samsung and its not only cute and small, it has great options and works like à bomb ready to blow.

    • Jadephyre

      Shitty products? So you think Samsung builds better products out of cheap and slippery plastic or plastic resembling fake leather? Samsung builds better products with a User Interface that every user unanimously names as the worst UI that was ever relased? Yeah, if all that counts as positives for you, then I guess a phone made out of Aluminium with front-facing speakers, a Screen that does not rely on oversaturated Colors and humongous sizes and a Camera that does not boast double-digit resolutions might look inferior.

      • Dominick White

        Not every user, only users on tech sites. Normal users don't care

    • Gabernasher
  • RH

    Holding out for several reasons.
    1. Price...wait a few weeks til the next whiz-bang thing hits, for the price on this whiz-bang device to come down.
    2. I never buy a launch device...I wait for at least the "2nd batch" in case the early batch has an issue, hardware or software.
    3. Waiting on "real world" photos to come out, not ones taken in perfect conditions, or photoshopped. The technology of the size of the pixels from an electronics standpoint, does make some sense, but I'd like to see photos taken by the "average user", not a photographer who knows how to set up a shot to get the perfect shot.

    Right now I have about 4-5 devices that are out, or coming soon that I'm looking at to replace my Note1. It's working fine, so I don't "have" to buy a new one, which is nice too.

  • PiotrButkiewicz

    Camera disappoints. Gonna hold out for Moto X2 or Nexus 6, whichever one has the best combo of awesome battery life, camera, and voice commands.

  • janzour

    Galaxy S4 so you know

  • Serg

    Yes, when they get rid of the gigantic bezel

  • Smileycorpse

    Got the original one and it's still a great phone, no need to buy the newest right now.

  • Tim

    If I wasn't the Nexus freak I am, this would be my phone. Either that or hopefully they would come out with a Max version.

  • Ethan Beck

    yes - bought one - but the Micro SD slot has been neutered by KitKat. Even after painstakingly figuring out how to root it, it is STILL not possible to copy or move files to the external SD card using apps such as ES File Explorer in Root Explorer mode.

    Was hardly worth sticking a bloody SD slot in it eh ? HTC?

    With other KitKat phones there is a system xml file which is modified to restore access by an app called " SDFix: KitKat Writable MicroSD", free from the Play store. HTC decided to be bloody-minded or just plain stupid and waste all the effort their much vaunted efforts in creating this thing by not following the conventional disable method enabling tech-savvy owners who are willing to accept the risks to use the damn thing the way android used to let them. As it is, after sticking maybe 20 apps on your 16GB HTC One M8, figure on having a usable 8GB left for working space AND storage for apps AND data for the apps.

    It stretches the concept of "bloody ridiculous" to a whole new level.

    • http://www.PungentChicken.com Alester Lazar

      Be patient... the current Root method (i'm guessing you're referring to the "Weaksauce" exploit for Verizon M8's) is only a partial Root. Once we have full Root/S-off, then full RW control over ExtSD will be restored.

      BTW - Blame Google ..not HTC

      • Ethan Beck

        no, it was fully (permanently) rooted. unlocked boatloader, twrp recovery installed and supersu installed. It was a nightmare to do because it was necessary to install the 32bit java SDK (not 64bit) and the android SDK.

  • Andrei

    Actually, I would buy one if I had the money, but unfortunately these high-end devices are way too expensive and I think I'd rather have an Asian alternative, which would be much cheaper and usually they're almost as good as the high-end devices.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aarontrevor Aaron Sentell

    This is my first HTC phone. I'm coming from a Moto X. This is the most beautiful phone I have ever owned. The build quality is simply phenomenal. The phone is screaming fast, and I think HTC has a winner on its hands. It annoys me to no end that Samsung gets all the attention when companies like HTC and Motorola are building the devices that are actually impressive.

    Edit: To those criticizing the "small" battery... this thing lasts forever. Its battery life is far better than the Moto X. The reason why I decided to upgrade was because the Moto X didn't have enough storage for me, and the casing started to crack.

  • ahhh yes

    Looked at the gold one at bb today pretty g dam good looking phone felt great in hand fast great screen. But upgrade isn't until June so will see what's out at that time. Hopeful that the z2 is avail in US by then to compare

  • swankdaddy

    Moto x 2. >>> nexus

  • wontbackdown

    But what happens when u go through all that trouble and that person u r helping is still silly

  • cesar suarez

    Nexus 6
    Galaxy S5
    Note 4
    Xperia Z3! ;)

  • MrRageQuit

    Naw, I got my G2 a while back and I'm pretty happy with it. Battery life is good, screen looks great, and the specs are still top of the line. Depending on how good the next Nexus phone is, I'll probably wait on that then ditch my Verizon plan.

  • DoWhatYouLove

    I love the HTC One M7, but find so many aspects of the M8 to be disappointing. Although the body of the M8 now has more metal than the M7, the finish looks cheaper and the more rounded look is much less distinctive than on the ground breaking predecessor the HTC One (M7). The addition of a micro sd card is an advantage. The screen is brighter, but is only technically larger as the 4.7 inch screen has slightly more usable space. The M8 now uses part of the screen for buttons that previously were below the screen. The camera is still the most disappointing aspect of the HTC One. Sorry HTC, but megapixels do count too.

    Hopefully HTC will still be around next year and the "All New 2015 HTC One M9" will be enough of an improvement to warrant a purchase. In the meantime I'm keeping my M7.

  • andhaka

    My M7 is still up to task in everything I put it through... so no update for me.

    Cheers

  • Luka Mlinar

    They made it so that if you are a die hard fan of the One you need to sign your soul to the devil (service provider) to get it before it's released in the stores. That's pure evil. I can't believe they would do that to their fans.

    Anyhoo; i'm not gonna buy something that look like a poor mans faberge egg.
    I rather buy the OnePlus One

  • Linx

    I will no longer be held captive by devices with poor batteries that are non removable! Galaxy S5 or Oppo Find 7 for me!

  • Dave

    It's too big, but other than that I love everything about it. Gonna pick one up when Amazon's price stabilises.

  • http://www.PungentChicken.com Alester Lazar

    bought it... day zero to replace my note 2 on verizon. I still have my Moto X Dev Edition (which I will likely sell now). The M8 is fantastic. Smooth Sixth Sense and a great screen. Power button on top is taking getting used to, though.

    Thus far, I've"rooted" it using the Weaksauce exploit, but I need full root. Cannot get RW access to the externalSD without it. Looking forward to that and a nice clean AOSP ROM in the nearish future.

    I've taken a few pictures with it so far and the camera is good enough for a pocket device in my opinion.

    Sample shot attached.

  • Fonce Falooda

    4 MP is now irrelevant. This sort of Photo Gimmick does not work for me. http://www.flickr.com/photos/phonewisdom/13409880204/in/set-72157642913906483

    (From an Engadget full review. Tried to post the link to it before, but my original message vanished.)

  • http://twitter.com/phonecount StalkyTheFish

    Very nice, but too expensive.

  • Bob

    Very disappointed, was considering replacing my S3 with the next model from HTC, but I greatly prefer the old design, much more iconic.

  • Epic Tea

    Not unless its the Google Play edition and not unless its given to me for free.

    I'll stick with my Nexus 5, I'm more excited for the Nexus smart watch, Nexus 8 tablet, and updates. Thanks.

  • n0th1ng_r3al

    Waiting till they review the S5. Moto X 2nd Gen or Nexus 6. I have a Nexus 5 and i m pretty happy with it.

  • Damon Broussard

    This HTC is the best phone I ever owned!!! I will never ever, ever did I say ever, own another Iphone.the sound that comes out of the speakers on this thing is awesome.and there is a test video out there it was put in water for over 6 hours pulled out and still worked the IPhone lasted 5 min and the guy best the screen with a hammer it wouldn't break until he hit it with the claws.This thing is virtually indestructible!!!!

  • Chris

    Better resolution on the camera, and the answer would be yes, hands down. Next year they need to eliminate the empty black space below the screen that plays home to nothing but the HTC logo. Aside from that design puzzler, this is such an amazing design that I wouldn't hesitate to buy it with even a 12MP camera. If they insist on sticking with the "ultra pixel" "duo cam" they need to refine it and the second camera needs to be a conventional high resolution lens for high lighting conditions. Reserve the 4MP ultra pixel lens for low light. That's all it's good for.

  • WhyReinventTheWheel?

    HTC really should have kept the same body style that the M7 had. They could've just made the M8 at 5 inches or 5.5 inches and put the 3D camera on it while improving all of the features the M7 was lacking. The M8 looks nice but M7 looks better.

    • spagateerium

      I agree. The camera and battery life are the only things I think need serious improvement on htc one. M8 should have looked the same. the body style is just too nice to scrap right now

  • Art

    HTC One M9. Looking forward to an HTC phone with a higher resolution camera (thought to be 12 UltraPixels, not certain), Optical Zoom and 4k Video Recording. That would make HTC's flagship one of the best phones ever, if not the best. The camera is the only thing that made me hold back from buying this phone.

  • George Georgiades

    After spending 600euros for an htc one m7 gifted with a lovely useless pink camera, i wont spend a single euro to Htc again

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