14
Mar
thingy

There comes a point in a person's life when he or she may be looking for a new device of some sort, and trying to fulfill multiple roles at once could be important. For example, a tablet/laptop hybrid may be sought after by someone who doesn't have the disposable income to justify having one of each. These types of devices – like recently-announced ASUS Transformer Book Duet – are, in my opinion, a great option in that situation.

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However, according to a new report from the Wall Street Journal, it looks like devices such as this will cease to exist moving forward, which all but confirms earlier rumors that this may be the case. According to "people familiar with the matter," Microsoft and Google are against dual-boot devices that run both Windows and Android, as each company essentially wants to keep its devices free from the other. The argument can be made that Google isn't in control of what happens with Android given the fact that it's open source and freely available, but the problem doesn't actually lie in Android itself, but rather Google's control over the certification process. After all, a Google Play-less Android device is drastically less appealing to, well, everyone.

As a result of this decision, ASUS has not only reportedly cancelled plans to release the Transformer Book Duet, but the manufacturer will also remove the dual-boot Transformer AIO all-in-one desktop from the market. This also raises the question of what will become of Samsung's Ativ Q, which was announced back in June of last year and has yet to actually come to market. That ship has likely sailed at this point, and the product will more than likely just become vapor.

The question still remains if Google and/or Microsoft will allow devices like the recently-announced Huawei dual OS Windows Phone/Android handset to actually come to market, but my guess is going to be "no."

At this point, the future for dual-booting Windows/Android devices looks pretty grim.

[The Wall Street Journal]

Cameron Summerson
Cameron is a self-made geek, Android enthusiast, horror movie fanatic, and musician. When he's not pounding keys here at AP, you can find him spending time with his wife and kids, plucking away on the 6- or 7-string, or watching The Texas Chainsaw Massacre on repeat.

  • Fanis

    I can understand why google doesn't want this argument but Microsoft why? It doesn't have nothing to lose from this as it is a small player in this market.

    • Halin

      I understood that it was about laptops and there Microsoft is the big player.

    • IrishSid

      Monky see, monkey do.

    • AOSPrevails

      Microsoft is big in pushing Windows 8 as a viable tablet OS, it doesn't want people to use any other tablet OS. Microsoft is dragging its feet about bringing Office to Android Tablets for just that reason.

      • antifud

        I would tend to disagree that this has anything to do with the opinions or business strategies of either company, and probably has a lot more to do with the licensing issues between having both operating systems on the machine.

    • Cristian Dan

      this is just a rumor, I would like to see the link where Microsoft says it doesn't want dual boot with android.

      on the other side, google done this before and it's not a big surprise it does it again

      • Skyde

        If that's the case, then Android-WP dual OS phone would also be banned altogether.
        But I agree it's just a rumor on MS side.

  • companyemails

    Good. As I see it, If I'm going to pay for a device running what is supposed to be a mature commercial OS, then I want the best possible execution of that OS, not some cobbled together hybrid running incompatible code and eating up large chunks of resources. Now if I'm running free OS, such as Linux, then I have no problem dual booting for the sake of testing different ones.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ninjustin ninjustin

    Their loss. If Bluestacks ever polishes up It will really be Google's loss I love my android tablet but I'd love to have a Surface Pro with some actual touchscreen apps. Microsoft's store isn't looking so good by itself

  • Name I picked

    Whether you wanted a dual booting device or not, this is a sad day for freedom of choice, both for consumers and for OEM's. You have consumers that want to buy, manufacturers that are willing to sell, and a couple of back-room decisions and strong-arm tactics later and everyone goes home empty handed. It's like liberal and conservative parents not letting their children be friends anymore.

    • Chris

      I agree wholeheartedly. I can see Microsoft not approving the idea but Google? Out of all companies, I least expected Google to give a rats ass.

    • Ryner

      My thoughts exactly! Why people would deny their freedom of choice of such devices is just plain sad.

      I was so excited for this device especially since I gave up hope in ever getting the Samsung Ativ Q, but now even this one too! Plus all hopes of ever getting a proper dual booting windows/android convertible laptop or tablet is gone the drain.

      Sad to see that consumers are getting screwed again.

      PS. I know there's bluestacks but try it yourself and you can see that unfortunately about probably half of android apps doesnt work on it plus it's still riddled with a lot of bugs seeing as it just randomly crashes on you.

    • Mike Reid

      Antitrust.

  • Alex

    I think that I really wouldn't take advantage of a dual OS. Having to reboot for specific apps would be a terrible experience. Running one as a VM within another is more appealing (likely Android within WM, due to the nature of Android), but I expect that the RAM overhead would be excessibely high.

    • blahmoomoo

      Well, many laptops seem to be coming with 8gb or more of RAM nowadays, and Android only needs 1-2gb to run smoothly, so having an Android VM would only take a significant, but not a majority, chunk of RAM. VM overhead on top of that isn't much to worry about.

      Now, I'm sure it's possible to run a Windows VM under Android, as long as Android is running on a 64-bit kernel, or however it handles using more than 3-4 GB of RAM. Unless Android blocks virtualization extensions, ofc, but you could probably modify the ROM for that. I wouldn't consider this ideal though, unless you want to see Android by default. Seeing how Windows 8 has been received, I'm guessing that's a no.

      • Alex

        Ah right, I was thinking along the lines of phones. For laptops the memory overhead isn't so much of a problem but I still think a VM is the only real way to do it conveniently for the user, rather than dual boot.

        • Ken

          I tried Android VM and I can tell you not all apps can run smoothly some even force close when executed.

    • Zerozillion

      Actually the Asus device has two processors and separate memory. 2GB for Android and 4GB for Windows. So you should be able to switch relatively quickly between the OS being used.

    • Ryner

      You're criticizing a device that you dont even know at all, didnt you even see what the duet can do? With one switch of a button, you can almost instantly (a 4 sec wait) switch from Android and Microsoft WITHOUT REBOOTING and and the SAME state you were working in.

      Even if you want to VM android in windows, you would still be switching to the VM and you still wont be able to properly work on android unless you full screen the VM so it's essentially pretty much the same as the duet, hell even in a VM you gotta wait for android to boot up but in the case of duet, once the system loads up you can instantly switch to both OS without having to boot up android.

  • Josh Rahn

    I wouldn't want windows 8 running on my tablet anyways.

    MS is not a mobile platform and android isn't a desktop platform.

    MS way to late to the party and their implementation of desktop/tablet/phone OS for lack of a better word sucks. Windows(7) will remain on my desktop, for all my video editing and steam gaming, etc...

    MS should be more worried about chrome OS, than android. IMO

  • acejavelin

    Didn't Huawei just announce the yesterday they were going to start selling a dual boot Windows/Android phone in the US in Q2? Well, so much for that I guess...

  • Jalok Xlem

    You know what would be a real deal breaker? Being able to duel boot iOS and android. But that would never happen.

  • TSON1

    Sounds great for consumers! Except not really!

  • Jeff

    Seriously that s*&k.. It was the perfect lounge device, i was waiting for the TD300...

    Shame on Google & Microsoft!

  • Ryner

    I dont see why people are so against this idea and thinks it's plain stupid. Whether or not you think this is stupid, the fact that if it's available gives choice to the rest of the consumers who want such a thing. I myself do, since as the author, Cameron suggests, it is great for those who want both a windows tablet or laptop and also experience an android but not have the budget for it, so why would you deny the freedom of choice? Would you just prefer companies like Apple to dictate what you want and need?

    Also I see some people even justifying that it's better to buy both an android tablet and a windows laptop rather than this dual booting os, but my question is why? Do you think it would be cheaper that way? This device costs $599, can you buy both a convertible windows laptop that can detach it's screen from the keyboard dock with i3/i5/i7 specs with 4gb ram, up to 128gb ssd and 1tb hdd and also a convertible android tablet with an intel i3/i5/i7 specs with 4gb ram, 128gb ssd, and 1tb hdd (assuming android can also access the hdd, which IMO it can seeing as my Asus transformer AIO can)? Of course you cant, especially the android one as it doesnt exist.

    Most people who deny such claim clearly has never experience one, I have the Asus transformer AIO and I can say it's an amazing device to own, you have the best of both worlds, just that it's not portable seeing as it's practically a 18" android or windows tablet. Now let me guess, you guys will also say it's stupid to own an android or windows tablet that is 18" cuz it's too much size and weight, well how can you say that if you never tried it? Ask the owners of such tablets like Dell XPS 18, Asus Transformer AIO, Lenovo Flex 20, etc. and most of them will tell you that they thought it would be stupid at first but after trying it, then you can see the advantage of owning one.

    Seriously you guys are criticizing a device you havent even tried and you are practically saying that you dont want choices and would prefer the software companies to tell you what you want and need.

  • GraveUypo

    don't be evil my ass

  • Hhhh

    Nobody wants windows 8 anyway...

  • http://htmlspinnr.smugmug.com/ Rick Johnson

    " After all, a Google Play-less Android device is drastically less appealing to, well, everyone."

    A bit tangential, but not *everyone* wants Google Play on their Android devices. Think about Enterprise applications with in-house applications in a locked-down scenario. Then again, those same applications would probably reject dual-boot in favor of standardizing on a single OS.

    Nevermind. Carry on...

  • Robert Boluyt

    Wasn't Microsoft strongly lobbying HTC to produce dual boot WP8/Android devices just a few weeks ago?

    • Mado

      Looks like it is a different story for Windows Phone.

  • Wesley Modderkolk

    I'm still not seeing the point in having such a multiboot device in the first place

  • smeddy

    This bugged me, then I realised I don't have much need for Microsoft I'm my life. It's crumbling OS is fine for work, and I still use it plenty at home, but Android is how I stay in touch with people and consume media.

  • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

    What the fuck, Google and Microsoft? Stop this bullshit! Let people choose what they want to!

    Don't you two idiots understand that this is an ultimate helper in deciding which OS the customer likes instead of having to go through dozens of devices when he/she can experience best of both worlds in one single thing?

  • Matthew Fry

    sigh The Book Duet was kind of a dreamy device. Sometimes, major corporations are a pain in the ass.