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Google removed the extremely popular app ROM Manager from the Play Store today for violation of the Google Play Developer Program Policies, specifically the subsection regarding in-app purchases, which requires developers to use Google's in-app billing system.

Koush, the developer of ROM Manager, had until now offered as an option (alongside the Google IAP system) upgrades to ROM Manager Premium from inside the free ROM Manager app using PayPal (or as a license on the Play Store), which pretty blatantly violates the policy in question. Now, to be fair, Koush's PayPal implementation existed before Google introduced its in-app payment system (March 2011), but he's also had basically 3 years to get with the program. Correction: ROM Manager does have Play IAPs, but also had PayPal as an option.

Some time after the IAP system was introduced, Google began mandating that developers distributing their apps on the Play Store make exclusive use of Google's in-app purchasing system. Failure to do so would get your app removed from the store. Why mandate it? Because like the sale of apps themselves, Google gets a 30% cut of the profits. Using an alternative like PayPal means Google isn't getting in on the action, and when your app's accompanying premium license is one of the top-grossing paid apps on Android, that's something they're probably going to notice eventually. Of course, it apparently took Google nearly 3 years before it decided to do something about it.

Google had actually reached out to Koush on this very subject about 4 weeks ago in regard to similar PayPal IAPs available in his backup app, Helium. Google gave him six weeks to get into compliance, and shortly thereafter he corrected the issue in Helium. However, without warning, Google then removed ROM Manager from the Play Store, two weeks before the six week window ended.

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Why? More than likely, someone unfamiliar with the specific situation noticed the ClockworkMod developer account had been flagged for IAP violations, went through the account's existing apps, saw ROM Manager was still in violation, then pulled it. Is this particularly fair to Koush, given he was under the impression he had more time? Not really. Did he also have nearly three years prior to correct the issue? Correction: Since ROM Manager already had Google IAPs at the time, Koush has really had since July 2012 - when Google IAPs became exclusively mandated under the policy - to correct the issue. Yep. I'd also be incredulous toward anyone suggesting he may not have known about the policy, not that ignorance of the rules is much of an excuse anyway.

And while implementing the Google in-app billing system may be a labor intensive process in some situations, let's remember: Google didn't ask him to implement a new billing system, they asked him to get in compliance with the policy. Compliance simply means not using an alternative billing system, which merely requires disabling / removing that option from the app, even if just as a temporary measure until the developer can implement Google's IAP system. Might it have been a good idea to do this with any of his apps in violation as soon as he was put on notice? Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose.

Anyway, we can expect ROM Manager to return to the Play Store as soon as Koush gets the app in compliance with the policy, which given its extreme popularity I have to guess will be pretty soon.

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David Ruddock
David's phone is an HTC One. He is an avid writer, and enjoys playing devil's advocate in editorials, imparting a legal perspective on tech news, and reviewing the latest phones and gadgets. He also doesn't usually write such boring sentences.

  • Cherokee4life

    Oh snap!

  • trev8988

    what wrong with you

    • a

      grammar

  • Omar Feliciano

    He had more than enough time. IMO I have witnessed other Devs do it in just days. So..

    • jonathan3579

      Agreed.

  • Bluewall

    Inb4 CyanogenMod fans butt hurt

    • Cherokee4life

      I have never understood these types of comments. Your not saying anything just that you commented before Cyanogen fans comment. I never understood the point...

      • Bluewall

        1) there is no really point I admit
        2) I was pretty bored and it was a rough day
        3) I'm just saying that I expect many CM fans to come here and say how Google is evil, even if Google is totally right :p
        Have an upvote ! You showed me maybe I shouldn't post this !

    • squiddy20

      Too bad I am a CM user but don't use this app...

  • Blair Ginley

    He's friggen loaded and a brilliant developer. He'll get it situated. He's also one of the higher ups in Cyanogen Inc. I'm sure he'll be OK.

    • OMNIROM

      His greed and his half finished apps are why I don't use CM. Omnirom FTW

      • TheFirstUniverseKing

        Koush isn't the only one behind Cyanogenmod. You know that, right?

        • OMNIROM

          Yes, but if he puts as little effort into his own programs, why would I trust him for an OS? Send him your 5.99 three times, I'm sure he'll help refund you.

  • Seiga

    It is what it is. TOS are always subject to change.

    • Justin Case

      TOS has banned it for ages

  • epsiblivion

    now what about all other apps that have a separate app as a premium license? titanium backup comes to mind. always was annoying that you had to download 2 apps every time you switch roms

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Separate licensing apps are perfectly OK. I agree they're annoying, but Google's still getting their cut so there's no reason for them to police the practice.

      • km3k

        Titanium Backup allows the use of a license key bought from their website too. I assume Google wouldn't like that.

        • Wesley Modderkolk

          If it happens on their website it doesnt happen in the app, so it isn't an IAP

      • Chainfire XDA

        Interesting story here - do you know probably 95% of all "separate licensing app"s or "dual version app"s authors would rather switch to IAP ? But there is unfortunately no upgrade path to go from one to the other. In some cases an easy solution is possible, in other cases it isn't. The crux of the issue is that you cannot convert people who paid for package X into an IAP purchase for package X (or sometimes package Y) - which in some models is an unsurpassable issue.

        Funny thing is that I chatted with Google Play engineers at an I/O session and they admitted to the issue and there not being a proper solution for it (though it should be fairly trivial for them to create), and also that there were absolutely no plans to do anything about it. Beautiful Widget engineers were also up in arms about this.

        Of course we got some comments on how they'll get back to us on that (and it wasn't even Reto "I'll get back to you on that, no really I will" Meier!), but we all know how it goes when a Google engineer says that - it's more productive to have a conversation with /dev/null.

        Point being, for a fair number of existing apps using one of the various two-package models, it's simply not technically possible to switch to the IAP model without some help from the Google Play team, which they're not providing.

    • Kieron Quinn

      That's fine. You can only use Google Checkout, which that method does. PayPal on the other hand is basically reserved for other app sources now

  • yahyoh

    GOOGLE u better remove a lot of crappy apps on Play store rather than removing ROM Manager
    -__-

    PS: i don't use Rom manager , and i don't care about it

    • GraveUypo

      google doesn't care as long as it is getting its share.

  • TWRP is better

    He's just a greedy jerk anyhow.

    • woj_tek

      you mean google? that just went angry about not getting 30% cut?

      • Google

        Sorry for having Standards.

        • woj_tek

          'standards' as in 'we will whatever we want in whichever way we want', especially in context of protocol and standards they use?

      • Wesley Modderkolk

        The way I read it they aren't angry about anything, but are rather enforcing their policies, you know, which is the point of those policies anyways.

        • woj_tek

          why only now and why on the project that is highly successful without keeping mentioned timing? suprisingly not long ago an app (cyanogen whatever thingy) was pulled out on the assumption that it violated the rules. in that case it was kinda grey area/google admitting cm wasn't breaking the rules but still the app got pulled. it just looks a bit silly this sudden interest in apps that helps getting rid of the stock...

          btw. (in Farnsworth voice) "good news everyone!" - jolla is again available! :D

          • Wesley Modderkolk

            There are a lot of apps on the Play Store and they all need to be checked and what not. It simply takes time before a app comes through.

            Also, on the sudden removal, it is quite logical, breaking of the same rule often leads to harsher punishment. As I read it, this isn't his first app either to break this rule, thus a harsher punishment happens.

  • Android Developer

    I wonder if an app that allows multiple ways to pay (including IAP of google) is also considered a violation.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      If it's distributed on the Play Store, yes, absolutely.

      • richie97

        This. It's not a "well if you have IAP you need to use ours as well", it's "the only way you can do IAP is through Google Play".

        • Android Developer

          wait, they've written "within a game" . this isn't a game. the second part is the correct one:

          "Developers offering additional content, services or functionality within another category of app downloaded from Google Play must use Google Play's in-app billing service as the method of payment, except:
          -where payment is primarily for physical goods or services (e.g., buying movie tickets, or buying a publication where the price also includes a hard copy subscription); or
          -where payment is for digital content or goods that may be consumed outside of the app itself (e.g., buying songs that can be played on other music players)."

          no logical hole here either. same text saying "as the method of payment".

      • Android Developer

        hmmm... yes, i think it says it:
        "Developers offering virtual goods or currencies within a game downloaded from Google Play must use Google Play's in-app billing service as the method of payment."

        they say "as the method of payment" and not "as a method of payment", so there's no logical hole here...

    • km3k

      I use Titanium Backup with a license key file to show I bought it before Google IAPs were around. I wonder how long until that's pulled too.

      • http://robert.aitchison.org raitchison

        I'm in the same boat and I think that's safe, since TB doesn't allow for you to buy a pro license through the app except to buy the pro key app in the play store.

        TB merely checks for the existence of the license file for those of us who bought ours way back before paid apps in what was then the Android Market even existed and enables pro features if it finds it.

    • mgamerz

      I think that's 'you can't buy through the app', but if you have an existing license, the app can honor it.

  • Samuel Hart

    He had 3 friggin' years, and he's complaining they removed it 2 weeks ahead of an arbitrary deadline? They were well within their rights to pull it 3 years ago! FailDev.

  • KingofPing

    His email was a waste of time. Why even bother. You (Koush) are better than that. Just get it done and out and leave it at that. The world moves on...preferably without the drama.

    • yolo420blazeit

      All he is is drama and whining when Google cuts out his half-baked hacks.

      • KingofPing

        I recall only two instances he took his problems with Google to G+. This one is incredibly minor compared to the other.

        I highly doubt that makes it "all he is" considering he is also a highly talented developer.

        • ChromeCast

          You must be new to Android.

          • KingofPing

            Far from it.

            Good use of Trolling 101, though; "Attack the user instead of the argument".

          • You are new.

            Google his whining about Chromecast. Good fight.

          • KingofPing

            "I recall only two instances he took his problems with Google to G+. "

            Take one guess as to which I was referring to as the "other" time.... Don't worry, I'll not give you a deadline on the answer; I know this kind of thing (thinking) is hard for some folk.

    • Koushik Dutta

      Been busy with this other thing called Cyanogen Inc. It is done, and I did comply with their original request in good faith. Would expect that they actually honor their timeline.

      I can't update the app though, since it is suspended, which is why I emailed them.

      • Clown

        I bet you can update the price. You never update any of your apps, clown. You make them then abandon them.

        • Michael Gillenwalters

          Sounds like you need a nap.

        • squiddy20

          Hey there, Mr. Grumpy Gills!

        • CerealFTW

          You were never entitled to updates, it's completely up to the dev to take the time to make an update for people who already paid. Just sayin

      • KingofPing

        I wasn't attacking you, Koush, just wanting the drama over and done with; and the email (and posting of it) seemed to add little to the effort of "getting it done."

        Not surprising you've got it taken care of already. I kinda figured that...

      • OJ

        I expect you to honor acting like a mature, responsible dev that cares about their products, not just the cash flow for your new TV.

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

          Have you never procrastinated? He knew he had 2 more weeks, and comparatively, I'm sure Cyanogen Inc and cast and mirror related projects occupied just enough time to put it off till the end. It's not even the end, 2 weeks is a whole lot of time.

          • Getoffhis

            Not for 3 years.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

            Right, that, sure. But sometimes you just don't want to touch things unless something prompts it to be bumped up the priority list. I was talking about the first warning.

          • Koushik Dutta

            Read my other comment. 3 years is inaccurate here. Play IAP didn't even exist 3 years ago.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

            The wording is "nearly." It was introduced in March 2011, which 2 years and 9 months ago.

          • dudi

            how can you support Google's aggressive policies? Do you work for them? Not every Google policy or rule came from God in heaven and should be followed. They are profitable enough to let IAP through PayPal.
            Don't help them.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

            Well, 3 years is rounding up. It's almost 3 years (March 2011). If you change it to 2.75 years, it doesn't really look that much better. Or are you saying 2.75 years doesn't apply here either and this change was made later? Clarification please.

          • Leonardo Farage Freitas

            And what is the destiny of those that bought Rom Manager Premium, when the app gets back to the store will it recover the list of users that bought it?

            I am asking this cause once I bought a app and some time later (like 1 or something year) I tried looking for it and it had the same name but it appeared as if I hadn't bought =/

          • Dean Politis

            Quit your whining! So they rounded up the number. It is still ridiculous that you haven't updated your app.

          • KingofPing

            (Devils' Advocate)

            So where was mirror and Cast and related...2 years ago?

            /sorry...all the butt-hurt must be getting to me....

        • Guest

          Wow, dude. Calm down.

          The guy has to think about his previous users that were on the PayPal system, too. Making big changes like that takes time and has to be done methodically. Koush might have had quite a bit of time to get these things done, but he also has about 5 other things cooking at the same time. As you can see, he had it ready, but they shut him down before he had a chance to push the update.

        • Michael Gillenwalters

          I expect you to say something off topic to get attention, not just be a tool.

        • dudi

          I cannot understand how can someone support Google on this subject. This giant, highly profitable company is forcing the hand of developers and you support their policy??
          People here used to be Android lovers, now it's all Google fanboys. Sad.

          • mjku

            "This giant, highly profitable company is forcing the hand of developers and you support their policy"

            Wha? It's their store. They can set whatever policy they want. And you expect them not to enforce it? Really?

      • BigMixxx

        Koushik responds!
        i think they should have given you time. Sure would like my app back on the store...

      • http://mrmcpowned.com mrmcpowned

        I'm not familiar with the Google Play backend, but doesn't the play store offer the ability for devs to create redemption codes for apps akin to Steam? I mean, if it did, you could redeem a pool of codes for those who purchased ROM Manager via PayPal and send those users their respective code.

      • ltredbeard

        A lot of entitled individuals are posting here so I thought I'd tell you thanks for giving us ROM manager and your many other tools.

      • Tristan Curtis

        I dont mean to sound mean but, didnt you see this coming? I mean youre app (which helped me ALOT when i was first flashing) had paypal and like up there said, the google IAP was put in 3 years ago. I know you're a busy man, but still... Im sorry i didnt mean to sound condescending and i dont live your life. Keep up all the good work. I kinda enjoy this battle between you and Google :P just kidding.

      • Dean Politis

        So while you are off on "this other thing called Cyanogen Inc.", you are going to ignore your apps?

  • http://flavors.me/sabret00the sabret00the

    If this get him to fix ROM Manager's dated UI and broken UX, it's surely not a bad thing?

    • Omar Feliciano

      Yeah he should update the whole app while at it.

    • KingofPing

      I would definitely not mind a UI refresh on the app, but CWM is CWM. It should remain as-is. It's Open, so people are free to (and have been) modifying it left and right to suit their needs and the desires of others. That's part of the beauty of it.

      ...and yeah; I actually use TWRP, but I definitely know CWM has it's place.

      • ginobili1

        Got on the TWRP train a month ago as MultiROM uses it, and man was I missing a lot. Haven't had a single issue and the whole UI/UX is amazing. And must I say that I didn't need to BUY anything at all.

        • Phil Oakley

          I'm a UI/UX designer, so I don't say this lightly: why does a custom recovery need UI/UX? It's there to do a job, at the end of the day. I'll agree with ROM Manager the app, but not CWM. It's why I use CWM over TWRP etc - because I think custom recoveries should be intimidating etc, to make you think what you're doing. Plus I know how to use CWM off by heart now and I'm happy with it.

          Also - koush doesn't require you to pay anything for CWM or CWM Touch (which I use). You can use ROM Manager and pay or you can download the custom recovery images and flash them yourself, for free.

          • Guest

            I have to agree with the whole UI of a recovery, I simply don't understand why people need to theme but to each his own. Same goes for custom boot animations, how often do we really restart our phones much less stare at it while it's booting (save for troubleshooting).

          • Tristan Curtis

            Haha
            You would be surprised how many times I look at the boot animation every day. :P

          • Johnny Bravo

            agree with everything, but you make it sound like twrp is paid, both touch and non touch are free

          • Tristan Curtis

            TWRP is a beautiful recovery. Its ui is clean, functional, and east to get around. CWM on the other hand is quite ugly, just thrown together. I mean the text in TWRP has its nice box thats easy to read. In CWM its just thrown to the left side of the screen with the progress bar behind the text (why???"?). I use CWM personally because i happened to need it to flash a 4.4 rom. Now that TWRP has the latest version out, I will switch back to them.

          • ginobili1

            ROM Manager PRO is a paid app, then I bought CWM Touch (an in-app purchase) for the GNex only to find out that its phone specific and not a one time buy when I moved to the N4.

            The only time I deal with recovery is once a month or so I really don't care if they are drop dead ugly, but what I meant was that compared to TWRP and what they have done to the custom recovery scene, CWM looks ancient.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      I really doubt this is going to happen. That's like priority -5 on the list of 0 through 10. I'd start looking at other apps that are updated more often, perhaps ROM Toolbox by JRummy. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jrummy.liberty.toolbox

  • Wazzifer

    Serves him well. Hopefully they will give him hell about submitting it again.

  • Grimmjow

    What the fuck was he doing since the last 2 years?

  • Leif Sikorski

    Is it worth a news? He violates the TOS (again) and this is the result. The rules are clear and every other developer respects them as well.

  • https://plus.google.com/+TroyLeonard Troy Leonard

    Good for ROM mangler has been crapware for along time I bricked a galaxy s 4g with it. Most of his apps blow.AOKP FTW.

    • Yep

      Agreed, Omnirom is great too!

      • https://plus.google.com/+TroyLeonard Troy Leonard

        I haven't tried omni yet but plan to once they have a stable ROM for my n5 I still got in rooted stock on it for now. Been waiting for aokp milestone on 4.4 to unlock he boot loader.

  • Koushik Dutta

    To clear up some inaccuracies in this article...

    The Paypal purchase stuff was written before those terms existed, and Google Play pay options was even rolled out in most countries. PayPal is a legacy payment option in RM that predated all this stuff.

    I can't simply just pull that support, as those users get hosed. Sure, I knew about it, which is why I responded to the request for Helium so quickly (a newer app). But pulling out PayPal support isn't just a matter of doing it.

    The revenue from PayPal is trivial. The issue is that I need to figure out how to honor past purchases after I pull the rug out from the people that bought through PayPal.

    • mgamerz

      You can't just stop selling licenses to people through paypal but still honor those licenses? Titanium Backup does that for me, I have a paypal license but you can't buy it through the app like that anymore.

    • Gav456

      I don't know why you feel the need to justify yourself to these hater cretins...

    • itlnstln

      TiBackup figured out how to do it. I still have my license from back in the PayPal days. Ti used a text file on the SD Card for validation. It's been a long time since I used RM; I don't remember how licensing worked.

    • freeman

      The terms have existed for three years hasn't that been enough time for you to solve the problem.

    • Robert Macri

      You just hide the option to use it to purchase any more licenses.

    • Mike Reid

      >I need to figure out how to honor past purchases

      License files or activation codes seem like viable options.

    • Dean Politis

      You've had 2.75 years to figure this out. You do some great work, but you really don't support your old apps and are more concerned about the new ones.

  • Steve Secor

    I didn't know there was such a thing as custom recovery fanboys. Then I read this comment section...

    • Ty

      I prefer CWM over TWRP but I haven't used the app in years...

    • blast0id

      4EXT > ALL OTHERS ... now piss off and get with the program! //sarcasm (except for the 4EXT bit... heh)

      • John Tresidder

        I really do like 4ext. I just wish they had it for the gs3

        • blast0id

          and I for the HTC One... maxx is a great dev, I think he bit off a little more than he could chew with the complete re-write though... I've donated a bit to him, because I found his recovery to be the best for me DZ/G2 and Amaze. I hope he finds the umption to finish the re-write and get some of the newer devices supported!

  • aouniat

    I have the latest dropbox app installed, so does the following comply with Google in-app billing system ?

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      That is really interesting. I bet that is in violation.

    • David Thoren

      My guess is that would fall under the "-where payment is for digital content or goods that may be consumed outside of the app itself (e.g., buying songs that can be played on other music players)." exception since that can be used / consumed outside of the specific app (for example on your PC or other device).

  • https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=iWizard Bikram Agarwal

    Once Google suspends an app; I've seen writing back to them doesn't get any response. And unless they respond and reinstate the app, you have no way of fixing the violation. in short, once an app is suspended, it is gone for good. You just have to upload a new policy compliant version of the app and start from scratch.

    That's of course applicable only to small developers. Big shot developers will of course get a response and get the issue resolved. Google sends warnings...?? Didn't even know that. My apps has always been suspended directly.. No warnings and no replies to my mails so that I can fix it.

    • Mike Reid

      This app was re-instated after many months at least: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=marto.androsdr2&hl=en

      There was an incorrect allegation of copyright violation from a developer of Windows software that is somewhat related.

      He had basically almost no response from Google for a long time, but eventually it was fixed. I was actually a bit surprised because Google rarely re-instates suspended apps.

  • CerealFTW

    I can understand why Google would do this but this is unfair to those who paid for his app if said developer didn't update it(hypothetically)

    • David Thoren

      Are you saying then that someone should be able to skirt the rules because they didn't update their app?
      Sounds like a bad precedent.

      • Shawn Cheever

        I think what CerealFTW means is that the people who have already purchased the app should still be able to download it but maybe block it from the people who have not yet done so. I remember after I purchased Apollo (music player) it was pulled from the Play Store and when I went to reinstall the app after flashing a new ROM, I couldn't. The developer took my money and Google took the app.

      • CerealFTW

        Not at all. I'm just saying that the consumers that purchased through an alternative method are being robbed because of a developer not updating an app. Btw I'm not speaking of this app, just this scenario if the dev decided not to switch to required IAPs

  • Bobby Phoenix

    Bad Koush, Bad! Now go stand in the corner!

  • Mike Reid

    Article says "30% cut of the profits" and that is not technically correct.

    It's a 30% cut of the gross REVENUE. Devs have costs too, so revenue != "profit" or income.

    Let's say you're a lucky successful dev and sell 50,000 copies of a $1 app in a year.

    Google get's $15,000 in revenue for that year, and the dev gets $35,000 in revenue. Let's say the dev spends $5000 on phones to test, and $5000 on other equipment and supplies. That leaves $25,000 in "profit" for the year.

    And if the dev "pays himself" $25k for that year, you could say the business profit is $0, after the salaries are paid.

    Note that you can also look at Google's cut as a 43% markup. Dev gets $0.70 and app is sold for $1 so markup% = (100 / 0.70) x 100 = 42.9%

  • http://robert.aitchison.org raitchison

    I agree that Google should have given him the 2 weeks they originally promised but I'm no fan of ROM Manager because it creates indentured novices in relation to Android hacking in the exact same way that AOL used to in relation to Internet usage.

  • Jeff Miller

    Not bashing...but, you cant be a genious Android developer then play dumb when it comes to fixing a Paypal payment issue that breaks Google's terms of Play Store. One or the other....

  • Jadephyre

    You know... somehow this article seems extremely biased.
    Maybe it's just me, but it looks like a public flogging is taking place.

    Just my opinion, take it for what you will.

  • Shaggyskunk

    It's still (or back up) on the store .... $5.99

    • thomasnorman

      DONT buy it!! All that you are paying for is the fucking Unlocker. Of course, today was the day i decided to buy it and they removed the free one from the store. So now I paid for it, but cant use it since you need the free version!

  • Forget_you

    if they gave him six weeks to comply they should honor that. He still had 2 weeks left to do it. I don't see anything wrong with him showing the email

  • Play Usee

    So if I paid for an In App Purchase, how will this dude honor it on the new version considering Google Play doesn't give receipts for that?

    • Björn Lundén

      It's tied to your Google account, just like any other purchase on the Play Store.

  • Sxeptomaniac

    I was pretty worried by the headline, but it looks like it's fixable, so I imagine Rom Manager will be back before too long.

  • Shawn Cheever

    Before everyone starts yelling at my comment, I understand Google's position here protecting their interests and all but what's up with Google lately? They seem more aggressive than usual. I'm not saying it's bad, just different.

    • Roh_Mish

      Change in management. I want Andy Rubin back

  • http://www.emuparadise.me/roms-isos-games.php rarely online

    To be fair it is google's own store, there are other android stores out there like amazon if you don't want to adhere to google's rules so this isn't such a big issue at all.

  • W!ZARD

    I thought Google removed it; because it may brick any device

    • Shawn Cheever

      I can't see Google pulling an Apple and blocking any app that modifies the system since that's the joy of Android. People shouldn't use apps like this if they don't know the risks first.

  • Alex Cruz

    extremely popular?? Aren't we kissing huh? hahahaha Bunch of CM fanboys writing for this site hahaha

    • Harris Hakim

      Bitch, I flash stuffs with TWRP! I don't need no "ROM manager" pfft!!

  • NSN

    They should remove fake apps, flashlights apps, and all crap apps from the play store also!

  • sounder

    Hello, F-Droid.

    • Mado

      F-Droid only accepts FOSS, though. His Superuser app? Maybe. Other apps, ROM Manager included? Unlikely, unless he makes it a FOSS.

      • Harris Hakim

        Greedy, elite CM devs would never do that.

  • Josh Michielsen

    If he followed the rules set 1.5 years ago then this would have not been a problem. He also seems to be justifying this by saying he has to honour those purchases made with PayPal, which is fair enough...but why leave the ability to purchase through PayPal there for so long...

    Seems stupid.

  • danishdhanshe

    This was my first root application after superuser!
    I think it may be available on xda like cyanogenmod installer

  • thomasnorman

    So, Out of ALL the damn days for me to purchase the premium version, it was today. So now I paid for the Unlocker (not realizing it was just an unlocker)...Which you need the free version to use. Pisses me off!

  • Hoggles

    Koush... If you're still checking in on this comment thread....

    THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE in the Android community. You are one of the elite devs that has actually contributed immensely to the scene. Google, at the very least should have a bit more respect for a guy who (no joke) has probably single handedly been responsible for thousands of people switching to or staying with Android...

    Goog....honor the last 2 weeks for F sakes!

    Thanks Koush!!

    • say again?

      huh? this is why I no longer follow Koush on g+
      He's maybe ok or slightly irritating but it's his cult followers that I just can't stand

      • Harris Hakim

        +1

      • dude

        They're more bearable and civil than most Android Police followers though.

        • dude

          To clarify my point, I always enjoy reading Android Police articles and always regret reading the comments. I guess it's compared to slashdot followers.

  • Jonathan Ly

    I'm upset, but I've also gotten burned by 2 of Koush's apps now: ROM Manager IAP for ClockworkMod Touch and Tether IAP not restoring.

  • anzensepp1987

    The only thing I can remember of this app is the crappy IAP for the CMW-Touch and that this IAP never restored.

  • meelyg

    Vicious. Money rules the world

  • bloodman

    rom manager is on google server, you download the app from google server why paypal to profit from that ?

    you use google server and use paypal
    if you want paypal upload the apk file on filehost

  • Captain Gheys

    When he received the first warning, that shouldn't just be for Helium. He should know too well that means his other app that run the same paypal-premium member system will receive it too. Just that Koush did not expect to not receive warning for Rom Manager. But then, why wouldn't he just focus on Rom Manager paypal issue knowing that Google actually quite alarm on this matter (Pointing at Helium warning). It should be a priority after he received the warning.

    Then again people make mistake. Live with it you gheys.

  • BiggiePhat

    That's koush for ya. Arrogant.

  • 4srs

    People pay for his app?

  • TejasEric

    I am kind of surprised it has taken this long. Although this app is dated and almost seems dead to me. Google should have doe this earlier. I'd like to see this app updated and be back to what it once was. Doubtful though.

  • thedesolatesoul

    I am going to link this post to one AP run a couple of days ago regarding *piracy*. Had a discussion with people on the comments and what I realized was people resort to piracy when they do not have a good way to pay for apps.
    How does removing Paypal and forcing IAP help piracy? Many people would prefer not to link to google account and use Paypal?
    Furthermore, before Google tries to enforce this law they also need to IMPROVE the IAP API and the information available in the Dev Console. At present, there is no way to Test Subscriptions based IAP with dummy payments on unpublished apps. There are the things Devs deal with, but Google also needs to get its work together.

  • Brant

    I paid for premium AND I have to pay for touch? This is HIGHLY unethical. No bad feelings for this guy