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Google is rolling out an updated version of Hangouts, and while version 2.0.2 doesn't introduce much in the way of exciting new features, it squashes a handful of annoying bugs introduced when the app took on the ability to handle SMS and MMS messages.

What's New?

The newer, SMS-tackling version of Hangouts came with a few quirks that have been rubbing more than a handful of users the wrong way. For starters, the app converted any text message sent to multiple receivers to an MMS, which is chargeable for many people. There was no way to disable this behavior - until now. Here are screenshots of 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 side-by-side, with the latter showing the new option "Group messaging" where users can toggle this feature.

Also notice the option to import SMS, useful in cases where some have been sent or received but are not visible.

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Hangouts has also suffered from a bug where it uses its own APN settings, ignoring how users have configured their phones. Now there is an option to configure APNs directly within the app's settings.

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Update: Here are the APN configuration options available on a Galaxy Note 3. Unfortunately, the settings don't appear to be available on all devices.

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What's new:

  • Fixes for MMS sending/receiving
  • You can turn off group messaging (MMS) in Settings to send SMS to multiple people

Download

The update is rolling out now, but if it has yet to hit your device, we have provided several mirrors below.

The APK is signed by Google and upgrades your existing app. The cryptographic signature guarantees that the file is safe to install and was not tampered with in any way. Rather than wait for Google to push this download to your devices, which can take days, download and install it just like any other APK.

File name: com.google.android.talk_2.0.216 (939144-30).apk

File Size: 13.4 MB (14,055,376 bytes)

Version: 2.0.216 (Android 2.3+)

MD5: 410e55aa2c7724120187d68ae36d9e47

Thanks, Derek Traini!

Bertel King, Jr.
Born and raised in the rural South, Bertel knows what it's like to live without 4G LTE - or 3G, for that matter. The only things he likes sweeter than his tea are his gadgets, and while few objects burn more than a metal phone on a summer day, he prefers them that way anyway.

  • GreatNews

    so is a teardown coming???

  • gchahinian

    Can anyone confirm if this works on the LG G2 on AT&T? if so i'm definitely uninstalling Textra and using hangouts full time for SMS. That's the ONE negative thing about this phone is no built in group mms support

    • Marcus Clendenin-Bey

      Why don't you just install it and try?

    • CBNforum

      It works on any latest Android version (for sure 4.2.2 and above) and not dependent on the phone.

      • Android1031

        I know someone with a G2 on Sprint that cant get MMS to work. Idk if its the phone or Sprint.

        • Sir_Brizz

          Sprint is fully integrated into Google Voice, so I'd guess that is likely the problem.

  • NickAVV

    For some of my contacts it thinks that the "Hangouts" and "SMS" threads are different people (doesn't have them connected by dropdown menu in action bar). For some of them I get the dropdown to go from Hangouts to SMS, but once I'm in SMS the dropdown won't let me go back to hangouts. That's the main thing I want to see addressed (other than single stream which would fix that automatically)

    • Liam Higgins

      for me it seems to happen when the contact and their respective G+ profile(for hangouts) have slightly different names or other details, but changing them so they match doesn't fix it. :/

      • Thomas’

        Go to contacts.google.com and merge these contacts.

        • Liam Higgins

          didn't work but thanks anyway

    • Simon Belmont

      I get that issue, too. I don't have multiple contacts for the same person either, so it's not a matter of merging contacts as suggested below.

      It'd be better if the conversations could just be merged and then indicate with a special color or label what method of communication is happening. Either SMS or straight up chat.

      • Marcus Clendenin-Bey

        Are they linked on your phone? Open the People app and verify that your Google+ contact is linked to the Phone number.

    • Matt

      My sister doesn't even have a google account, the only thing I have in her contact card is phone number and yahoo account, yet hangouts insists on sending her a hangouts message instead of a text, and I can't change it. Seems to be a related issue.

    • Matt

      Out of curiosity, are you connected to wifi when this problem occurs?

  • Slawootsky

    Still different threads for SMS and chat messages for the same person? :(

    • http://kyandroid.blogspot.co.il/ Shay Levi

      THIS. I can't understand how that was overlooked...

      • Thomas’

        Time is the issue. It was not overlooked, they simply didn't add it yet.

        • Slawootsky

          DONT TELL ME THEY'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT ADS INSTEAD!
          (jk)

          • Thomas’

            Too late, already fixed my typo.

          • Slawootsky

            Oh, it hasn't updated in real-time. I'm using IE. *blushes and starts crying*

        • Matt Alexander

          You have a source for that? As far as I know, they've said zero about putting them in the same thread

        • Stacey Liu

          Time? They released Hangouts in May. It took them 6 whole months of development time to add separate SMS threads into the app. At this rate, it will take them 5 years to add proper iMessage-like SMS integration.

          • Thomas’

            It took them six months to add a whole SMS//MMS client into Hangouts, not just "a separate SMS thread".

          • Stacey Liu

            The way SMS works on Android is exactly the same as before. They didn't rewrite that..they just added a permission to edit the database.

            Pretty much all they did was take their use of the existing APIs from Messages and merge it into Hangouts. There's nothing that Hangouts handles differently from Messages.

            TL:DR They moved an already existing system into a different UI in 6 months. Should I clap? Google is a big company.

      • http://www.anivision.org/ Christopher Bailey (Xcom923)

        it's separate because it IS separate. If you send SMS it's a regular SMS but if it's through hangout then the other person won't get it unless it's through hangouts. I know it seems confusing but it would be even more so if there was no distinction

        • Kesey

          There can be some distinction in a single thread. Do you think iMessage users are confused?

          • http://www.anivision.org/ Christopher Bailey (Xcom923)

            ?? I don't understand what you mean. There is distinction in a single thread. A thread is either marked SMS or it's not.

          • Android1031

            He's saying it should be all in one, just like imessage.

          • http://www.anivision.org/ Christopher Bailey (Xcom923)

            I know, but in order to do that Voice would have to be completely integrated...but it's not. Until it is you'll need to know how you are sending a message. Otherwise you won't know if it's going to the other person's phone via SMS or a general hangouts msg.

          • enoch861

            Have you seen how iMessage is integrated? It doesn't need Google Voice to work and yet it works beautifully. Also iMessage does have a desktop client, yet they all work just fine together with no missed messages.
            First thing they can do is change message colors like iMessage does to denote how the message was sent.
            Second it would know if the other user is logged into mobile or not and send the message accordingly.

          • Sir_Brizz

            iMessage has a _Mac_ client. And they do miss messages, just rarely. Also, try to stop using iMessage. That's fun.

          • http://www.anivision.org/ Christopher Bailey (Xcom923)

            Difference is hangouts is not imessage. I can think of a bunch of situations where I wouldn't want the app to choose what way to send the message for me. Also what you are talking about is the fundamental difference between apple and Google.

            As for my comment about voice, I said that because Google already has an infistructure so yes they would have to integrate where other companies that don't have an existing service would have to

          • Stacey Liu

            That's why iMessage has a force SMS or iMessage option if you ever need it.

          • http://www.anivision.org/ Christopher Bailey (Xcom923)

            The point is that Google's thought process will never match that of apple's. Control is usually always higher priority than user friendliness, it always has been.

          • didibus

            Of Course you would know, because the phone tells you where it's going. I think Google's problem is that not everyone uses Android with a Google Account, therefore, not everyone has a Hangout account. Also, Hangouts works on computers too, but the computer Hangouts thread would not show your SMS. Anyways, all things that could be resolved I'm sure.

          • squiddy20

            Does it really matter? I've never used iMessage, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "via SMS" at the end of an SMS message, or "via Apple Talk" (or whatever it's called) when it's sent through that specific protocol. It's just a message and there is no distinction from one protocol to another. That's the way Hangouts should be. Send a message and let the app decide how best to handle it without the user having to figure out what to do. If the recipient doesn't have Hangouts, it becomes an SMS. If the recipient does have Hangouts, it gets sent under whatever that protocol is. All automatic. All without the user having to know or decide. In the end, as long as it gets to the recipient without charging them (such as sending an MMS to people who don't have MMS's in their plan), does it really matter?

          • http://www.anivision.org/ Christopher Bailey (Xcom923)

            Actually yes it does. For example I send SMS when I know I really need to get a message to...let say, my wife and she's not at a PC. BUT I use hangouts (default) when I know she'll be at a PC and not around her phone. Even if my examples are specific it's the difference between how google does things and a company like Apple. Google lets the user control instead of assuming. It may not be what some people like but lets face it, that's the google way

          • squiddy20

            You're missing the point: you shouldn't have to choose between SMS or "Hangouts (default)" at all. You send a message, and Hangouts should decide how to send it, per my suggestion above. Read.

          • http://www.anivision.org/ Christopher Bailey (Xcom923)

            No, you're actually missing my point. I know exactly what you're saying. My point is simply that it's not in Google's nature to do that. If you prefer the way iMessage does it then just use that program or create one that works that way, simple as that. Just because google could make it less clunky doesn't mean that they will, especially if they don't believe it to be.

          • squiddy20

            "If you prefer the way iMessage does it then just use that program or create one that works that way, simple as that." Do you realize how stupid that sounds? 1) iMessage cannot, and probably will never be used outside of the Apple ecosystem. 2) I could not "create one that works that way" because I am not a coder/dev nor do I have the influence that Google has.

            "Just because google could make it less clunky doesn't mean that they will, especially if they don't believe it to be." Maps v 7.0. I really don't have to say any more because that in itself proves you wrong. Not to mention that keeping it clunky is NOT in Google's (or any developer's) best interest. They want more people to use the service, so they need to streamline it and make it appealing to the most amount of people. Keeping it clunky and unintuitive will almost certainly make people look for alternatives. Seriously, do you think these things through?

          • http://www.anivision.org/ Christopher Bailey (Xcom923)

            The first part of your reply doesn't really change reality. Android is all about "If you don't like it build something yourself" even if you're not a coder you can still make something. If you feel that it's to hard, I'm sorry...

            As for the second part of your reply, yes I do read these things through and you're mis-interpreting what I'm saying. "Just because Google could make it less clunky doesn't mean that they will, especially if they don't believe it to be." doesn't mean that they will never make things less clunky, it means that if Google doesn't find it to be clunky the chance of them changing it decreases. Different people find certain things easier or harder depending on the person and that's just how life is. If Google feels that Hangouts needs to change they'll change it. Until then we just gotta either use it or find something else.

          • Gonzalo Massa

            What if I want to decide it? I use hangouts on the phone to chat with online people or send non-urgent messages to offline users so they read it whenever they go online. This is a personal opinion but I think SMS is still the best way to send a message to a phone and be sure it will arrive almost instantly regardless the internet connection availability on both sender and recipient. I really want to choose the way the message will be sentsent, and not by an application seeing but within the thread interface.
            To be clear I'm not discussing the "separate threads" / "merged threads", I just don't think it's correct that the application should automatically decide how to send a message, unless it has a setting for that.

          • Kesey

            Meant that individual messages within a thread could have some sort of distinction. iMessage is everything hangouts should be. I don't want to have to choose what channel to use. Pick the channel that is available for everyone, starting the hierarchy with Hangouts and moving down to MMS/SMS.

          • MindFever

            But I dont want an imessage clone...it is super easy to switch to the SMS thread. Just press that button where the email addresses is shown and u get the SMS thread. I find the separate threads useful. I got used to it very quickly.

          • Kesey

            I think you're in the minority.

          • didibus

            You're missing the point, if I send my friend a txt, and she's currently traveling, she will never receive it and I will not know why. In iMessage, she would still receive it, because on iphone it defaults to iMessage and uses SMS only if the other recipient is not on iMessage. There is also a way to force it to use SMS, if you really really want it to be SMS.

          • Taco Monster

            You have stumbled upon the benefit of having a closed ecosystem like iOS. This is simply not possible the way Android works now. Not everyone can be expected to be using the same app (and same as everyone else) for both texting and messaging-over-data.

          • didibus

            I don't think this is impossible. The app just needs to check if the other person is on hangouts, and if he is, send it through hangouts, if not, send it through sms. IPhone does the same thing when sending a txt to a non iphone users. BTW, you made me remember a quirk I have with hangouts, you can't tell apart someone who is connected to hangouts on his phone, from someone connected to it on his tablet or computer.

          • Mskina

            Yes, you can tell if your friend is on a computer, on a tablet or on a mobile

          • didibus

            Would you be nice enough to tell me how? I can not figure it out.

          • Mskina

            You just have to mouse over (on pc) or tap (on mobile and tablet) on the profile foto. Like the pic.

          • didibus

            I swear I can't get it to do that. When I click on the profile pick in the Friend list it just opens a new hangout with that persons, just as if I click on it's name. And in the Hangouts screen, if I click on it's picture it opens Google+.

          • Mskina

            Note that is not the profile pic, is the "read until here" (i don't know how its said in english, but it marks what your contact had read)

          • didibus

            I have a bad feeling this is non existent on phones. It only says Person has read up to here. No mention of tablet, pc or smartphone. Unless, is it possible when on phones, no icon is shown, but when on PC, a pc icon appears? Maybe I kept looking at people on their phone only.

          • Mskina

            On a phone, you have to be talking to an Hangouts v2 user. It has 3 icons: pc, tablet an phone. During the conversation, it shows you mood (v2 feature), if you are on a call (v2 feature) and/or device (also v2 feature)

            http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/10/31/apk-download-hangouts-1-3-support-sms-animated-gifs-location-sharing/

          • didibus

            Oh, ok, make sense, this is a new feature. Well, apparently none of my friends on hangout have it yet. Well, I'd bet that they added this because they are planning on merging sms and hangouts thread, this was a must have feature to deal with the merging.

          • Taco Monster

            But how does this solve the problem of disjointed conversations? It doesn't unless the other person is also using Hangouts for texting.

          • didibus

            Hum, why would it cause any problem? The other person receives a txt, he txts you back, and you receive the txt in hangouts. The hangout thread and sms thread would be merged, so you'd receive the message inline in your conversation thread.

          • Sir_Brizz

            What if you are on Hangouts on a computer but your phone is a Blackberry phone without Hangouts?

          • didibus

            I thought about this, and Hangouts would need to know the difference between someone on a phone and someone on a PC. So it would sms if the other person does not have hangouts on his phone.

            There's different options here though, it would be up to Google to decide. You could make it send both a txt and a pc hangout message. Or it could check if the user is active on his PC (moved his mouse in the last 5 minutes), if he is active, send a pc hangout, else a sms. Or you could make it more intelligent, and sends it as a pc hangout, and if in the next 10 minutes, he did not read the message, resend it as a txt.

          • Sir_Brizz

            Any of those could potentially work, although I've noticed that the "read" indicator on Hangouts isn't terribly accurate. The point is, it's not really as simple as iMessage so it's not terribly surprising that Google doesn't have an ideal solution in place yet.

          • didibus

            Ya, I'm pretty sure they are working on it honestly. It's just going to take more time for it to come out. I just don't agree with the people that say the way it is now is better, it is not, but it was obviously easier for Google to implement in time.

          • just_another_dev

            If you don't have them as a Hangout contact then you'll only have the option of sending them an SMS. How is that a problem? That's how iMessage works anyway.

          • Taco Monster

            The issue is when you *also* have them as a Hangout contact.

          • Sir_Brizz

            Do I think iMessage users get confused about it? Yes. I still think Google should figure out how to combine the two, but I don't by any means think that the solution in iMessage is as straightforward as it should be.

          • Kesey

            How so? In iMessage it's completely transparent to the user.

          • Sir_Brizz

            That's part of the problem, though. What if you don't have unlimited texting and iMessage just stops working for some reason? The hinting in the app that you are sending SMSes is not that clear. Not being able to tell what you are doing exactly is pretty much the epitome of being confused.

          • Guest

            iMessage does indicate how the message was sent or received by color. If it was sent via imessage, it appears blue. If it was sent or received via SMS/MMS it appears green. And everyone I know who has an iPhone knows that and has figured it out because its simple and straightforward.

          • J2

            People are comparing Hangouts to iMessage, but you have to understand. The reason the merged threads work with iMessage is because iMessage is the only app that can handle SMS, and the only app that can handle iMessage. Hangouts is its own thing, and people don't *have* to text through it, so the threads wouldn't stay merged correctly anyway. And then it would just be confusing.

          • didibus

            I thought they had fixed this problem with KitKat, by making one and only one SMS app the only one that can send SMS.

    • turdbogls

      this really bothered me.....until i realized that my fiends on hangouts are always available so it goes through as a hangout. haven't had the need for someone to "wake up" to get a hangout message.

      its more-so bothersome that someone i know that doesn't have hangouts on their phone shows up as being online for some reason....causing me to send a message rather than a text without me knowing it until i realize they didn't answer me back

      • Slawootsky

        Two same people in the conversation list just catch my eye, to speak softly.

        • turdbogls

          yeah, this is a bit annoying.....but then again, if i have someone on hangouts, i never send them an SMS...so the only time i saw this was when one of my (iPhone) friends uninstalled hangouts....i just deleted his hangout conversation and sent everything through SMS.

      • didibus

        I've often sent a hangouts to someone, to realise later when seeing that person, they don't have hangouts on their phone, and simply always have their PC opened and connected to gmail. Therefore, said person never got my message.

        • Matt

          I have the problem that I attempt to send a text, but it sends a hangouts message to someone who doesn't even have a google account. It sends the message off into a void with no way for me to select their phone number as an option to send as a text.

        • Stacey Liu

          Wouldn't they get the message when they open that Gmail window? Unless they keep it open and never ever look at it, which is pointless.

          • didibus

            Of Course, but the whole point of Instant Messenger versus Email is the instantaneous delivery of the message.

          • Stacey Liu

            It is delivered instantaneously. They would hear the Talk/Hangouts message sound from the Gmail tab and a little chat window would be open.

            Whether the recipient is more likely to check the tab or their phone boils down to preference. They'll get it either way.

          • didibus

            In my example, my friend is always connected to gmail. But obviously, he is not always in front of his computer. On the other hand, he's got his phone with him most of the time.

            Email is also instantly delivered now a days. The instantaneous part of Instant Message comes from the usability perspective. A user has his phone running and with him way more often, therefore you have a better chance of reaching him through that format.

            Anyways, that's my opinion. I often txt or instant message someone, want to go for lunch, but I wouldn't email him that. Similarly, I wouldn't want him to receive that message next time he goes back on his computer. It's the ubiquity of the phone that makes it so.

    • MindFever

      I find this useful...don't know what's the big deal. I like it being separate. It is easy to switch from hangouts to SMS too. But that's me...

      • didibus

        Why make them in the same app then? It only makes sense if you combine them, or having one app for each was just as good.

    • Taco Monster

      It only makes sense to have it in the same thread if it's also in the same thread for the person at the other end of the conversation. Otherwise, what you think is one conversation is actually two separate ones on the other end. How do you intend to deal with this? On iOS, *everybody* uses iMessage, so it's fine. On Android, that's far from the case. Not to mention the inter-platform mess.

      EDIT: What I would actually like (and is already possible) is integration of the MightyText/Motorola Connect variety, where you can view and reply to texts from Hangouts on the computer

      • Sir_Brizz

        Every Android phone has shipped with Talk, which was updated to Hangouts, for years.

        • Taco Monster

          Yes but is every Android user using Hangouts for texting?

          • Taco Monster

            Also, it still doesn't do anything about inter-platform conversations, given that you can use Hangouts with iOS users.

          • Sir_Brizz

            Well, I'm not claiming there are no problems. But if we are comparing it to iMessage, it's not really in bad shape in comparison. Sure, it's missing a couple of convenient features, but I wouldn't say iMessage handles itself in an ideal way, either.

          • Matt

            At the very least can we all agree it should be an option to put them in 1 thread?

          • Sir_Brizz

            Yes, I would like to see them do that. But it is a very complicated problem that people don't seem to give enough weight. There are lots of complications that could result in people not receiving their messages that they have to deal with.

          • Sir_Brizz

            Every Android user that signs in with a Google Account has Hangouts available, yes.

          • Taco Monster

            That's not at all the same thing though.

          • Sir_Brizz

            I understand you're talking about them having separate applications, but if the messages all come as Hangouts messages (which they would) how would that make any difference between Android users?

          • Taco Monster

            So you want Hangouts to directly intercept texts like iMessage does? I would *not* want that.

          • Sir_Brizz

            No, I'm saying that if you send a Hangouts message to someone on an Android phone that is logged in with a Google Account, they will get it as a Hangout message. There doesn't need to be any texting.

    • ash

      I like the way it is now

      For me its better to be different

    • Slawootsky

      We definitely need a Googler's word on this after all. I'm surprised but people find it useful.

    • Ben Lutgens

      yeah this is utterly ridiculous. Merge them for pete's sake!

  • CBNforum

    So, can someone explain the reason for MMS versus SMS in Group messaging?

    • Rick Fisher

      mms> group conversation. If I send a message to Bill, Tom, and Jerry, they all receive the message as a group and if anyone replies the whole group can see the reply, like a group chat in an instant messenger.

      sms> the same string of text is sent to each person individually. If I send a message to Bill, Tom, and Jerry, it will create 3 different texts and send them out with now 3 new conversations in my list.

      I wish it were an easier option to choose, because there are scenarios where both are appropriate.

      "Hey, where does everyone want to go for dinner?" sent as an MMS to my group of friends before an evening out. We can all discuss each person's reply and options.

      "Hey, the party is at 8 at my house. BYOB." sent as an SMS to my friends that are coming over tonight. No real response is necessary and if they do respond it is likely a question for me, not something they want everyone to see. (where's your house? Will Jessica be there? Do you mind if I come early?)

      • CBNforum

        Thanks Rick, I will keep it to MMS then, because for my use, the point of it all is so that all can respond to the entire group.

        • ThatGuyzx

          I love the comments section here. My question was asked and answered already. Thanks guys.

        • rap

          Problem is some people can't get MMS. They may never even see them. Or if they do, it may it cost a lot extra.

      • didibus

        Didn't know that. Would be great if they were seperated, make one Batch SMS and the other Group Message. I'll have to stick to the SMS option though, I still have friends who pay for MMS or simply can not receive them due to really old dumbphones.

  • Matt

    APN setting aren't there for me. Lg optimus g 4.1.2 stock

  • Simon Belmont

    Oh, good. That Osiris guy from the other day can finally turn off his anger machine over the MMS bugs. See: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/12/06/developer-changelog-heres-every-aosp-code-commit-from-android-4-4_r1-to-android-4-4-1_r1/#comment-1153568178 .

    That said, I had an issue sending MMS' every once in a while. So, I'm glad for the update, too.

    • osiris355

      Wow just a little sh*t talker aren't you?

      • Simon Belmont

        I call them how I see them. And your crass reply here adds to my credence.

        You were overly belligerent towards other commenters, and it's not something people will forget. Saying you'd knocked back a few beers and that explains your conduct is nothing more than a cheap and childish excuse.

        • osiris355

          Are you really making this big of a deal out of this? Its a forum dude. No ones cares. I looked in your post history and you have posts attacking other posters. For you to still be bringing this up and linking to it shows how big of a drama queen you are.

          • Simon Belmont

            I have never "attacked" anyone for their opinions and I'd love to see you prove that I have. I call people out on being jerks when I have to and when people are legitimately giving false information, and that's it. I can't view your history because you're too afraid to show it. But from what I've personally seen, you don't like people who have opposing opinions, and you tend to lash out about it.

            It seems like you're the one making a big deal out of this and I'm sure you'll reply again to get in the last word. Have fun.

    • David Buse

      MMS is still buggy.

  • kentholio

    Are actionable notifications included? Its such a great feature of other Google apps, and I never understood why they weren't included in the first place.

    • didibus

      OMG, that was such a regression, the old sms app had them.

      • Stacey Liu

        No it didn't, IIRC. They CyanogenMod version did.

        • didibus

          Hum, you sure 4.3 did not have it? I remember my notifications having a reply and a read button on them. But I might be confusing with Cyanogen Mod or some 3rd party app I had installed.

  • yochanan

    Anyone else not seeing the APN option like in the screenshot? Nexus 4 on stock 4.4.1.

    • Stacey Liu

      Same here. Are you on AT&T?

      • yochanan

        No, I'm on T-Mobile.

      • yochanan

        No, I'm on T-Mobile

    • yochanan

      Oops. Replied to myself.

  • deltatux

    Just updated my Hangouts but I'm missing some MMS specific settings like the APN settings and Group Messaging for some reason.

    • Ryuuie

      Same here

    • DoctorRabbitfoot

      Yup, I don't see those settings on the right at all.

    • Taomyn

      Same for me, I updated and the only change was to import SMS. I have a Nexus 5 on 4.4.1

    • http://www.12v.dk/ CarstenLorenzen

      Same here, Nexus 5 - 4.4 :-/

  • bikermunda

    The only issue for me is the MMS takes long to sent some times and if i am on wifi then it will not even go :( so it defeats the purpose

  • axel

    They haven't fixed the MMS slideshow. Whenever my friends send me multiple MMS in a slideshow form I'm unable to see them in full screen. I can see the pictures arrive but when I click on them to view full scree or to save them it takes me to another picture rather than the slideshow pictures that I'm trying to view. So instead I have to go back to the stock messaging app to save them. BTW I'm on Nexus 4 stock 4.4

    • Sir_Brizz

      Uh, I hate it when people do this. Use email if you have nothing else, for crap's sake.

    • Stacey Liu

      Wait really? I used to get them on the old SMS app, but now multiple images actually show up as multiple images for me, and I can save individual ones. Hmm.

  • Brad

    Wonder if this addresses the only being able to send one text long texts that sprint is having...

    Edit: nope.

  • NWSD

    How about voice calls over Wi-Fi through hangouts like iOS got a couple of months ago? Recently replaced my iPhone for the nexus and love it but I sure miss that feature.

    • MindFever

      I can do voice chats via hangouts on my nexus 5...you mean google voice integration?

      • didibus

        Really? I can not do voice chat on the Nexus 4 via Hangouts, I can only do Video chat.

        • Alex

          You can start a video chat, then while it's still ringing cancel the video by pressing the video camera button and you end up with a voice chat. It's certainly not as convenient as a direct button, but works.

          • PaulDavidSantana

            Can you call normal phone numbers? I believe that is the difference.

          • Alex

            Ah right, not through a data connection in the app, as far as I know. You can call someone from an SMS thread but it makes a regular phone call. Looks like you can only make a VOIP call to a phone number from the desktop. I'm based in the UK, so don't usually use Hangouts VOIP anyway (it's only free to US numbers and I've received comments about the poor audio quality when I've tried this, which I don't get when using Skype).

      • NWSD

        No. With the iOS hangout app you can call any phone number over Wi-Fi.... landline or cell. This isn't hangout to hangout. Very handy for me at work where I don't have good cell reception but Wi-Fi is everywhere in the building. You don't need a GV number to use it but you can integrate it so it will ring the hangout app if someone calls your GV number if you want. Google did a nice job with the iOS app and hope they step it up a bit for android.

  • Rav

    Question: To send a picture through hangouts to another hangouts user, does that picture first have to be uploaded to Google+? Or does it simply work like MMS?

    • Brad

      works like MMS but it uploads it to a spot on G+

      • didibus

        I disagree, I believe it first uploads to G+, than from G+ to your friend. I remember trying it with someone who did not have Google+, but did have hangout (before they made G+ mandatory for all google accounts) and he could not see my picture, he was asked to sign up for G+.

  • fzammetti

    Biggest thing I dislike about Hangouts SMS: it just stops you at the character limit... it doesn't automatically break your text up into multiple messages like most SMS apps do, and it doesn't even given you any indication that you hit the limit, it simply stops accepting input! Terrible UX from Google there either way.

    • DoctorRabbitfoot

      With you there, bad feature.

    • Brad

      Mine alerts me... says "sms 0" next to send. I've read that this is a sprint specific bug, though... so hopefully after the update rolls out.....

      • fzammetti

        Hmm, interesting... I am on Sprint so you may well be right... I wouldn't have guessed carrier would matter though since it's a Google-supplied app.

        • Brad

          I thought the same thing when I read about it... Especially since other sms apps have zero issues splitting.

          • fzammetti

            You know what though? I did the update today and it does now show when you reach the end. So, not as good as splitting, but the UX issue at least is resolved for me :)

          • Brad

            4.4.2 upgrade? or the hangouts upgrade?

          • fzammetti

            Hangouts

          • Brad

            Ah, yep... still an issue with both updates anyway :-

    • enoch861

      Really? I haven't run into this yet and I write some long text messages at times.

    • CoreRooted

      I've never encountered this limit and I've been known to send some long texts.

  • therealbiglou

    I wanted to like Hangouts for SMS, but I have since switched back. There were too many notification issues and it ran much slower than AOSP messaging.

  • PuzzledObserver

    Can you please show me how to start a voice conversation without video? Currently I start a video call then disable the video afterward. I would like to start a voice call directly. Hope this is possible. Thanks

  • Tay

    There is a huge difference between imessage and hangouts sms inteegration.

    If i text an iphone user who has the hangouts app the conversation could be split into two different apps for them.. One on hangouts and one on the messaging app.. The same for android users who hasn't enabled sms on hangouts.. This is pretty inconvenient and can be confusing.
    Thats why they've threaded them differently..

    Imessage does not need that distinguishing factor because its an apple exclusive feature and only works in the default messaging app. Everyone uses the same app both for sms and imessage. No confusion

    • RamitSuri

      iPhone users are anyways using different apps for SMS and Hangouts, so doesn't matter. On Android people who are using Hangouts app as SMS app as well will get all the messages in same conversation and the ones not using it for SMS are again like iPhone users with separate apps already. The only people who see the dropdown to select the mode of sending are the ones who use Hangouts for both the things and are the ones who want them to be merged.

  • Jon Brashear

    Hope this fixes the duplicate sent sms/mms issue.

  • JonJJon

    I wish it didn't make a sound when in a thread chatting with someone EVERY time they send a message. I'm in the thread watching them come through, I don't need a sound as well.

  • Fiorta

    Any chance the horrendous screeching echo for video chat has been fixed?

  • Adrian

    Add the support for extensions hangout as it is in the PC version of an.

  • http://www.emuparadise.me/roms-isos-games.php rarely online

    There are better SMS apps.

  • Alex

    Has there ever been any news on whether Hangouts will archive SMS in the cloud? I don't believe that it does this at the moment (at least, I can't find them). I know there are apps that already do this, and I currently use one (SMS Backup+), but it would be nice to have it built in to Hangouts.

    I'd also like to be able to read and clear SMS notifications by reading the SMS on the desktop or another device, but I don't expect this will happen, particularly as it could be confusing if you're unable to respond to the messages on the desktop.

  • eric1743

    VICTORY! I went in and manually added APN settings for Verizon and I can finally send and receive MMS messages. I'm not sure where the hangup was previously.

  • NikhilW

    Updated, but I don't see the option for group messaging... Import SMS is there though.. Nexus 4, 4.4.1 here..

  • Arghhhh_google

    Have they fixed the issue where you can't send or receive content in MMS with the nexus 5? I attach a picture, hit send and it fails about 5 minutes later. people send me messages and it says "touch to download MMS message" but doesn't download ever.. hangouts is my only sms/mms app.

    • Elle

      Do they have data? People without data cannot receive MMS and the message appears as "touch to download MMS"

      • Arghhhh_google

        yep unlimited data, didn't work with at&t or t-mobile

        • Elle

          Thats really odd. I hope it gets fixed. I hace the nexus 5 as well and I never encountered that issue. Maybe its at&t/t-mobile? But try the update first

    • Elle

      It doesn't even work if they have wi-fi on

  • RickyGrundyJr

    well now at least the return key, will actually keeps the new line after text is sent.

  • David Buse

    MMS is still buggy as hell on my Note 3.

    Is it really that difficult Google??

  • Marcus

    Why can't I open the APK on my Nexus 5?

    • http://twitter.com/anishbhalerao Anish Bhalerao

      Probably because of the whitespace(s) in the filename of the file pulled from AP mirrors.

      Rename file to one without space and try again.

  • bat0nas

    Still slow as hell and can't be used as a SMS Messaging replacement on devices like Galaxy Nexus?

  • http://planetmew.com/blog/ Christopher Glass

    Does it still screw up Visual Voicemail? If so, I'm not using the SMS integration.

  • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

    What about SMS Export and Cloud Backup? Is that ever coming to Hangouts? It's a pain in the A$$ now if I am to factory reset the device or flash factory image

  • estrongs

    what about quick reply / call like it was in AOSP?

  • Chris

    After downloading the APK I´m still missing the "Group messaging" Button Greeting from Vienna, Austria - Note2(4.1.2 STOCK)

  • Owewil3225

    i was using hangouts on my HTC one but i couldn't receive picture messages. I would click and it would say its downloading but it never completed. I can send pics though. any ideas?

  • Justin Howell

    All I want is to be able to send a reply directly from the notification. Then this will be my king.

  • Midas

    I don't have the group SMS setting, but am running 2.0.2.

    Any ideas?

  • meelyg

    Sure I'll start using hangouts.
    Just as soon as they add the option to

    - customize the app...
    - turn off swipe to archive
    - simple contact list UI
    - Hide the stupid swipe right to view contacts
    - speed up the contact list statuses
    - fix the bug where contact list friend statuses refresh everytime you swipe to the contact list even if you just swiped out of it 5 seconds ago.

    No biggy

  • Rafal Gradziel

    Strange - I've got this update, but I cannot see in "Group messaging" option under "Advanced settings".
    Tried switching language to US English (from Polish), but still nothing...
    Why is that?

  • Matt

    Is there a way that if I receive a SMS message through the Hangouts app it will alert me with a badge on the icon? I would prefer to use hangouts as my messaging app...cannot stand the default messaging app on the Galaxy phones. Sorry...newbie here.

  • Brunobliss

    Why must group messaging be considered MMS? Why on earth should I have to install third party apps when I simply need to send single SMS for members of a group???? This has been overlooked since android 4.0!!!!!!

  • MP

    does the phone icon beside the persons picture mean they are using hangouts at the moment?