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About a month ago, we found some enticing goodies in Hangouts' 1.2 update. Specifically, we found evidence of activity statuses - rich status messages that would allow you to set a status with accompanying iconography for things like biking, driving, laptop, tablet, and phone. Some of these, (like biking and driving) we predicted, may be set automatically by Hangouts. The teardown also revealed the possibility of moods, using the bouncy yellow fellow found on Google+.

Today, Product Manager Randall Sarafa shared a post on Google+ confirming features discussed in the Google+ event earlier this week along with statuses and moods. Statuses and mood icons are apparently set to appear next to a user's "read up to here" indicator.

Also of note is the fact that Sarafa indicated that Hangouts' update would be version 2.0, not 1.3 as previously expected. Additionally, he clarified that MMS would be present in the update for users running Android 4.0 and above, not just SMS. For Sarafa's full post, head to the bottom of this post.

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Nikhyl Singhal also shared an update on Google+ today, communicating progress on several key features of Google Voice, enumerating the things that still needed work to bring the service closer to Hangouts. Unfortunately, Singhal notes, the new Hangouts update doesn't work with Google Voice numbers unless you're a Sprint user with Google Voice enabled. Singhal indicates the team is "working to support SMS messages for all Google Voice phone numbers by early next year."

Singhal also notes that the team understands the importance of Voice numbers outside the US and the ability to send/receive MMS messages, something users have been waiting a long time for. He explains that this still needs some level of cooperation from carriers, which "can take some time."

Finally, the post notes that in an effort to make Voice as secure as possible, developers of apps that make "unauthorized" use of Google Voice will be notified that they must stop, transitioning users to a new implementation by May 15, 2014.

Singhal doesn't give a specific timeline for most of these points, but it's encouraging to hear that Google Voice's needs are still being attended to. For the full post, hit the link below.

Source: Google+ (Randall Sarafa, Nikhyl Singhal)

Liam Spradlin
Liam loves Android, design, user experience, and travel. He doesn't love ill-proportioned letter forms, advertisements made entirely of stock photography, and writing biographical snippets.

  • Anon

    Must.. have.. apk...

    • big ballsack

      ya come on obama give us the apk

      • John Longson

        Hey. Stop being such a big ballsack.

    • http://AndroidPolice.com/ Liam Spradlin

      You'll know as soon as we've got it!

      • big ballsack

        i wont hand out candy to any kids until i get my apk

      • LewisSD

        You should try to hit up ebay and find someone who has the N5 in hand. I tried with a few people and got confirmation that it is the new version, but they were not able to share the apk.

    • epsiblivion
    • LewisSD
    • Guest

      SORRY TO HIJACK THIS COMMENT...

      ...But I just figured out a way to get Google Voice SMS to come into Hangouts. I already sent the tip to Android Police, so here's hoping to they publish something!

  • aNYthing6

    Just frustrating they were able to integrate Voice into the iOS app already but not the Android app. Puzzling.

    • simp1istic

      They didn't integrate messaging into iOS.

      • Jordan

        They did integrate making & receiving calls though.

        • simp1istic

          That's been part of android since at least froyo.

          • Jordan

            No it hasn't. As far as I'm aware android has never had a VoIP offering for voice from Google on android. It is built into the hangouts app on iOS.

          • simp1istic

            Fair enough, not an official VOIP, but GV integration and free texting. It's trivial to set up something like GrooveIP.

          • Jordan

            People want it built into hangouts. A unified, seamless experience.

          • simp1istic

            Which would be nice sure, but it's not a huge game changer or advantage for iOS or anything IMO.

          • Josh

            I'd consider it a game changer. I would then be able to comfortably use the T-Mobile $30/month 5g pre-paid data plan which only allots 100 minutes per month. Testing on an old iPhone, I was able to reliably and consistently make and receive calls through hangouts using my Google Voice number. That could effectively replace using minutes and I want it on Android.

            What is stopping them from simply implementing the making/receiving calls functionality recently added to iOS? Yargh.

          • simp1istic

            I don't know what's stopping them, I don't work for google. Your VOIP integration options have been waaaaaay better with GV and android for years now though.

    • Itchy_Robot

      I hear you brother. I would like them to address this too. It is indeed puzzling, to say it kindly.

  • AshG

    Will the integration of SMS/MMS with Hangouts allow for their propagation across multiple devices? I'd love to be able to get a txt from my wife that I can answer from my tablet without having to rely on third-party solutions.

    • Nathan Borup

      yes it will. for now you can use mightytext though, i use it on all of my devices

    • infogulch

      This! And will it come with synced notifications?

    • IamTheFij

      If it's your wife, why not just have her use Hangouts herself? Unless she has a BB or WP device, she should be able to.

      My wife uses it on her iPhone since I use GV and don't have MMS.

      • AshG

        She *just* got her first smartphone (and not by choice, hah). I'm trying to train her to use Hangouts instead, but man is it ever slow going.

        • IamTheFij

          Hah. Well hang in there, and good luck!

    • mystilleef

      Google Voice Integration would have made this possible. :sighs:

  • andy_o

    VOIP? How come some Google apps have more features on iOS than on Android? I mean, there's gmail with the print option, G+ with the ability to link to original post on a reshare, and now Hangouts with VOIP.

    • IamTheFij

      Woah, never realized I couldn't print from the Gmail app...

      • DonHo

        What is this "printing" thing you all are speaking of?

        • andy_o

          Is something that, combined with a scanner app, is better than this thing called "faxing" that them olds tell me about.

      • andy_o

        You can print only attachments through the share menu (to Cloud Print or similar) but there's no print option for the email itself like on iOS. Besides that, even when you print to Cloud Print, the app requires you to download the attachment to then upload it again. On iOS, as on the mobile gmail site, you can just print it directly from the cloud, since, you know, it's already there.

        • IamTheFij

          There is no share option from in Gmail too. I was thinking this was a workaround until I went digging for Share.

          • andy_o

            You have to download the attachment. It also depends on the app that you're using to view it, but stuff like jpegs you can see from the gmail app, and share them from there once they're downloaded.

          • IamTheFij

            I see what you're saying. But no way to print the email itself.

    • infogulch

      Well google just fixed the print problem on the android side: http://developer.android.com/about/versions/kitkat.html#44-printing

      • andy_o

        It remains to be seen if gmail will use this properly, which seems ridiculous if they didn't, but then again, they haven't implemented the print option for years now.

  • IamTheFij

    "transitioning users to a new implementation by May 15, 2014."

    So... are they going to release an API for developers to actually transition to?

    • http://AndroidPolice.com/ Liam Spradlin

      That part (and what an "authorized" alternative would be) wasn't really explained, unfortunately.

      • IamTheFij

        Well, one can hope. I kind of feel like this whole thing has been a game... I've been sucked in. Google Voice, Chromecast, Android, etc... now Google is pulling the bait and switch. Dropping developer support for all 3 by making everything proprietary.

        More and more of Nexus is going closed source every update. Chromcast is limited to apps from big players. Google shutting down 3rd party GV apps.

        Getting tired of it.

  • mystilleef

    Google Voice integration in Hangouts is likely not happening on Android. iOS has voice calling with Google Voice. So I don't know what carrier approval has to do with any of this. The fact they're giving lame excuses points strongly in the direction what we want is possibly not going to happen. Carriers are never going to approve what we want from Google Hangouts with Google Voice integration. So bad news everyone it's not happening. You'll just have to keep using kludgey third party apps that manage to give us what we want without “carrier approval”.

    • simp1istic

      So, you read an article about how GV integration is coming to hangouts and your takeaway is "GV integration isn't coming guys, deal with it."

      • mystilleef

        Yes, it's not coming. I want to be wrong. But it's not coming. If they are "awaiting carrier" approval, then they'll be waiting for ever. Mind you this feature is already available on the Desktop and iOS. Why is conveniently missing from Android? And so far Google has been coy about giving a direct straight forward response. So it's probably not happening and if those happen it'll be a half-assed solution that pisses even more people off. Like they'll say it's Nexus 5 feature only or some shit like that. Hey, I want to be wrong, but things aren't looking bright.

        • simp1istic

          What is missing from android? You've been able to use your GV number as your android line since froyo.

          • imnotmikal

            Why do you keep spamming this. People aren't worried about being able to call via their GVoice number. They're wondering about using Hangouts WITHOUT the Google Voice app, but still using your GVoice number. Not just making a called via GV number.

          • simp1istic

            Apologies for having discussions in the comments section.

          • mystilleef

            You can't use Google Voice with Hangouts on Android, PERIOD. Nobody spamming anything.

          • imnotmikal

            I was referring to simp1istic saying "its been in android since froyo" that I've read at least 3 other times in the comments section. :P

          • mystilleef

            Oh ma bad. :-)

          • simp1istic

            Ok, and the big motivator is.....?

          • mystilleef

            You can't make voice calls using Google Voice on Hangouts on Android. You can on Hangouts on the Desktop and iOS. And you can't use sms/mms on Hangouts if you're a Google Voice customer.

          • simp1istic

            I realize this. It's just a non-issue for me. I guess if you're limited on minutes it helps...

          • mystilleef

            It has nothing to do with that. I'm a paying Google Voice customer. How is that all these years I can't make phone calls via Google Voice on hangouts but iOS users can today. Doesn't make any sense.

          • Nathaniel_G

            All these years? Hangouts hasn't even been out a year you jackass...

          • mystilleef

            It was called Google Talk, asshole.

          • Nathaniel_G

            And iOS just got the feature on the 18th of October, chill the fuck out...

          • mystilleef

            Look iThug, it's a feature Google has been promising for years. They're the ones who hyped hangouts as the be all communication app. All these years, I still can't make Google Voice calls on Android, unless via crappy 3rd party apps, and then they go release it for iOS first, just to say a big fuck you to their Android customers. No wonder developers release for iOS first, if Google threats its own community as 3rd class citizens. It just sends to wrong message to the community. And if you're not up in arms about it, well they'll just keep playing you for a fool.

    • Jordan

      Carrier approval refers strictly to MMS. & its totally understandable why they need that just because of how janky MMS is.

      • mystilleef

        So why is voice calling missing again? It's on iOS and the Desktop. This is a feature that would have been released already along with iOS if they wanted to. I don't think they are going to.

        • Jordan

          The team that works on the iOS app isn't the same team that works on the android one. I'd assume the latter has had their hands full.

          • mystilleef

            That's even more bad news if the Google Hangouts team is fragmented by platform. I hope not.

          • Nathaniel_G

            You do realize all Google apps have different development teams for iOS and Android?

          • mystilleef

            Where's the proof? And if that's the case, it's a bad idea. Surely, the one the best software development companies in the world knows the perils of fragmented software teams.

          • Nathaniel_G

            Why do you think iOS Google apps have been getting better lately? Google has in house iOS development teams for their apps.

            http://www.google.com/about/jobs/lifeatgoogle/ios-mobile-apps-team.html

          • mystilleef

            Of course they have iOS developers but that doesn't exclude them from being a part of the Hangouts team. There's a single Hangouts teams. Some developers will work on Android, some of iOS and some on the Web. It doesn't make sense technically to have 3 different Hangouts teams for different platforms. There was a tactical decision to leave GV integration out of Android. As a matter of fact, Android has never been able to GV calls ever! Now, it exists on iOS. And it's always existed on the Web. Third party apps on Android already do it. So the decision has absolutely nothing to do with software developments teams or any software technicalities.

          • mgamerz

            I'd bet more along the lines of hangouts isn't installed by default.

  • Peter Kelly

    gvoice for Canada?

  • mgamerz

    I don't see how hangouts can take so long for google voice. You already have a working send/receive mechanism...

    • CoreRooted

      Actually, they don't. There's a lot of the old GrandCentral framework still in use on the gVoice platform.

      • mgamerz

        mmm, forgot about grandcentral.

        • CoreRooted

          I remember it fondly... Those were the days... lol

          • mgamerz

            I was a day 1 gvoice user, never would let me into grandcentral. Scored a great number for my area.

          • CoreRooted

            I still have my old GC number and I use it often. I ALMOST lost it when they got bought out, but luckily, it's still there. It was hilarious back then telling people I had a "virtual" number. The lack of imagination just a mere 7 years ago!

  • Brendan

    Wow. Today is a good day to be a Sprint user with an HTC One.

    Yay! Hangouts updates+GVoice AND my phone will have 4.4 in under 90 days? I'm in heaven!

    • asdfasdf

      yeah but at the end of the day you're still on sprint :/

  • LewisSD

    I have been asking people on ebay who have the N5 in hand all day for the APK with no luck.

  • JensAstrup

    Sigh. So the update essentially doesn't do much for me. I only use my Google Voice number :(

  • WHO?

    Just saw this as i just got the new APK 2.0.012... No use for it. I have sprint and still cant do MMS or Emojis. Damit. No need for a update "for me anyhow"

  • wtf

    "still needs some level of cooperation from carriers"

    Most countries on earth, dont use this bullshit carrier system. Give us the fucking update.

  • Tietäjä

    Meh, sms/mms is ancient past. Just give us Europeans voice!

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