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Last Updated: October 11th, 2013

Several days ago, I started a series of rumor posts on my personal Google+ account discussing some Android rumors I felt were interesting enough to share, but didn't feel confident enough yet to do so here on the site. The posts were heavily prefixed with disclaimers that none of them may turn out to be true but that I had a certain level of confidence to talk about them in public unofficially.

After posting rumor #3 (the one that everyone got seriously excited about), I was able to get a second confirmation and now have enough confidence to promote it from Google+ to Android Police.

Disclaimer: No matter the confidence level, there's always a chance product updates, features, and some or all details will be changed or cancelled altogether. As with all rumors, nothing is 100% until it's officially announced.

We do not have possession of any APKs or unreleased devices, so please don't ask for them.

Confidence level

Based on everything I've seen so far, I'm assigning this rumor a score of 9 out of 10. I'm docking a point due to the lack of the release timeline. As far as rumors go, it's almost a sure thing.

The rumor

Hangouts, which has so far only successfully unified Google+ Messenger and Google Talk, leaving Messaging and Voice to co-exist, is finally getting SMS and MMS integration. According to sources familiar with the matter, the upcoming Hangouts version 1.3 has these features enabled and, furthermore, also allows sharing of videos via the Hangouts protocol.

Messages sent via SMS will show "via SMS" next to the timestamp so that you can always figure out the protocol used for each message delivery. You can request delivery reports for sent SMSes - a feature that is part of the SMS protocol that some of you may be using regularly (though if you are, please don't text me Update: I was actually thinking read receipts, which are apparently different from delivery confirmations and don't bug the recipient).

MMS picture messaging is supported as well, though I can't confirm sending of video via MMS at this time. There is a settings menu for wireless alerts as well as a toggle for auto-retrieving messages while roaming. Finally, you can opt out of SMS via Hangouts altogether.

Originally, I suggested that the stock Messaging app may be going away in favor of Hangouts, at least on Nexus devices. I am unable to confirm it at this time and won't be able to until we see final KitKat software. However, if I were to speculate, I would suggest that the Messaging app will remain in AOSP, but Nexus devices will skip it and ship with just Hangouts pre-installed. Once again, this part is speculation on my part.

Update 10/11/13: A confirmation from TuttoAndroid, which fully matches this rumor and suggests once again that Messaging is a goner.

Release timeline

I have no information at this point about a possible release timeline and correlation between KitKat and this Hangouts update. It's possible that Google will roll it out before KitKat but it's equally as possible for it to come out later if it's not fully baked just yet.

Evidence

We were sent several screenshots that support the above rumor and show the settings menu as well as a sample SMS conversation:

wm_hangouts1.3_2 wm_hangouts1.3_1

Mockup

Today, we were able to obtain some pretty compelling evidence, seen above, but we may not be able to post screenshots or photos for every future rumor.

Because of this, we're going to attempt to add mockups to illustrate such rumors instead of having you stare at a wall of text. This is one such mockup, created by our own +Liam Spradlin, based on the image above and using the previous leaked off-white KitKat colors in the notification area - consider this a practice round:

wm_hangouts1.3_mock_1

Mockup of the Settings screen in Hangouts 1.3

Other thoughts

When Google releases Hangouts 1.3, what used to be this before Hangouts:

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... and became this when Hangouts was unveiled in May (well, actually it took them a few months to get rid of Google+ Messenger completely):

2013-05-125-15.14

... will then become:

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Two down, one to go. Baby steps.

Thanks, Anon!

Artem Russakovskii
Artem is a die-hard Android fan, passionate tech blogger, obsessive-compulsive editor, bug hunting programmer, and the founder of Android Police.
Most of the time, you will find Artem either hacking away at code or thinking of the next 15 blog posts.

  • Guest

    WHERE'S MY GOOGLE VOICE INTEGRATION????

    • Robbie Amburgey

      Jesse Pinkman? Is that you?

      • 0vermind

        Breaking Bad reference?

        • Robbie Amburgey

          Yep... it worked better before 'Guest' up there edited his post. Originally it said 'WHERE'S MY GOOGLE VOICE INTEGRATION, BITCH???'

  • Kuro

    ¿The icons of the status bar in white?

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      Where have you been hiding in the last month?

      • boogie_monster

        Apparently he was hanging out with Waldo!

    • http://k3rnel.net Juan Rodriguez

      It is a known, KIt-Kahlessi feature.

  • http://www.youtube.com/kimirPORTALS kimir

    fucking finally

  • Michael Hilmer

    IT CAN'T BE THAT HARD TO INTEGRATE VOICE. JUST FUCKING DO IT, GAWD.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      It can be hard if there are two different teams working on it. But my guess is Voice doesn't have a very high priority at Google, so they aren't in any hurry.

      • Alex Mocaby

        I thought they merged the two teams?

      • shadowdude777

        I'm assuming CyanogenMod's Voice+ will allow for the use of Voice with Hangouts. It really can't be that hard when a plugin like that (presumably) allows for it to work, can it?

        • http://googleplus.VoluntaryMan.com/ William Thieme

          Voice+ will replace sms support with (somewhat spotty) voice support.

        • dogulas

          Ooh, you're right! Finally. I sure hope so.

      • 楓黒麦

        They both actually use the XMPP protocol for audio (and Hangouts uses it for video), so it's within the realms of "just waiting on it to get finished."

        • Nathaniel Webb

          I believe Google removed XMPP in favor of a closed source protocol, which is why 3rd party clients like Pidgin and Trillian don't support Hangouts anymore like they did G Talk.

          • 楓黒麦

            I know for sure the audio is still XMPP, but I haven't tested the video since I don't have a camera. I may just use hangouts in the browser and use Wireshark to catch the packets to see if it's still XMPP.

      • Shamu

        Any more rumors for G+ Artem?

      • nebula

        It isn't even available outside of the us

      • Jarrod Davis

        Actually, he has a good point. Whenever anyone (with or without a Google+ account) calls my Google Voice number, Hangouts notifies me of the call on my desktop. There's some basic integration already, and SMS integration is pretty much all that's needed.

        • NexusPhan

          I noticed that too recently. Very convenient.

        • bozs13

          And I wish I could turn that off sometimes. My work computer rings at my coworkers when I'm out and about. I wish I could turn off "ringing on computer" for when I leave my office.

          • Bren10

            You can

          • bozs13

            Please tell me there's a way to do it without closing my browser (open 24/7) or logging out (logged in 24/7)

          • Droidzilla

            Go to settings in Google Voice on your desktop and uncheck forwarding to Google Talk (still old-school labeled; I know). You should then have it only forward to your cell or other number.

          • bozs13

            What about Google Voice calls? Seems it always rings in hangouts even with this turned off.

          • Droidzilla

            That used to turn ringing in the browser off. If you have that unselected and it still rings in Hangouts, I don't know what you can do to turn it off.

          • hp420

            On your desktop browser, open voice settings. there's an option in there to disable it.

          • Dileepan

            Ok forget my suggestion at the top.

          • Dileepan

            you could just logout of hangouts when you're leaving your office :-/

          • MrWicket

            actually I want to say you can but don't know where it is off the top of my head, check Google Voices settings and if not there check Hangouts settings, on the desktop.

          • efl123

            you can. go to google voice settings. and remove your gtalk from ringing.

          • Brian

            Mute your audio when you leave your desk?

          • Woz

            It's easy! Log off the damned computer when you leave. :

      • Mark Leach

        Eric Schmidt uses Google Voice on a daily basis. I would say it is safe to assume Google Voice will not go away but only be improved as telephony switches to more of a VoIP. Right now VoIP is heavily used in the enterprise world. Obviously it is growing for home use due to Cable/Internet providers but it hasn't really gotten a strong push on the mobile side. If I am not mistaken the major services Skype, Facetime, Hangouts, etc. do not have a phone number associated to their user accounts by default. If Google brings this to Hangouts... you will likely see a new push for VoIP and likely even see Apps from telecoms allowing you to answer homelines from your phone to try to keep your on their ecosystem.

        //EDIT
        Just saw you are AP Staff. Sorry if I sounded condescending.

    • http://turbofool.com Jarrett Lennon Kaufman

      It can be INSANELY hard, consider it all has to happen on the backend between two MASSIVELY different cloud systems and architectures that now need to be integrated and eventually merged. And they're clearly not planning to half-ass it by just letting Hangouts access it, but merge the systems entirely. That's HUGE.

      • Michael Hilmer

        Hard is relative. Google has the resources to pull it off without much sweat. Heck, they've already done it.

        I get that Voice isn't a priority, but if there's ANYTHING Google can do to reduce fragmentation and confusion/overlap in an OS that has had troubles in the past, especially among its core apps, they should be doing it.

        • Xyrax

          They ARE doing it. 4 apps reduced to 2. 1 left, can you all stop your moaning for 2 seconds? Jesus Christ. The better it all gets, the louder you all scream.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/author/eric-ravenscraft/ Eric Ravenscraft

            I love you.

          • Michael Hilmer

            Considering how long it's taken since Hangouts dropped just to get SMS integration that was promised, no.

            Incremental improvements over the span of a year and a half instead of one comprehensive update incorporating everything they promised? As long as they're making money off ads targeted at me, I don't feel bad about my bitching.

          • http://turbofool.com Jarrett Lennon Kaufman

            I'd much rather incremental improvements over time, each of which works, and the bugs get knocked out of, than one major update that breaks multiple services simultaneously because they just weren't prepared. I'll take Google's approach over Apple's any day.

          • Michael Hilmer

            I would be less adamant about it if Google hadn't abandoned the Voice app in its entirety. We haven't seen a comprehensive update for it in many many months, and it's one of the few apps that has never met Googles own design standards.

            I know I'm in the minority, but they gave me the option to get a new phone number and use a lot of handy services around it. Its the only number that my hundreds of contacts have for me. As long as Voice is left to blow in the wind, I'm stuck missing out on features because I don't use my personal phone number for anything, purely because I wanted to put my faith in the service Google was offering.

            If the seeming abandonment is because they're focusing on integration with HangoutsnHangouts, then fine. I'm just overly anxious for results at this point.

          • abqnm

            I was losing hope for Voice as a product with Google's lack of updates and support, but when they recently refreshed the web interface, that at least provided some hope that they will continue with Voice. I still think it is a low priority as it doesn't really generate money for Google and for all we know, it costs them money to operate. I think it will be brought around sometime in the next 6 months, though.

          • Royal2000H

            Google Voice is/was actually very useful to Google. They used Voice to improve Google's voice recognition algorithm that's used for voice searches and typing.

          • abqnm

            Too bad they don't use those improvements in Voice's message transcription. It is horrible.

          • http://turbofool.com Jarrett Lennon Kaufman

            Fair enough. I rely on heavily on Voice personally. In fact, at the moment, I don't even know what my actual phone's number is. I'm impatient too. But I also have seen Google half-ass things before, and I'm not willing to see that happen to this. I'm betting on this integration as the reason the app has gone untouched for so long, which is exactly why I'm trying to be patient.

          • thewriteguy

            Actually, I recall that Voice was updated recently, just minor bug fixes, though.

          • Adrian Zugaj

            I don't think coding and merging backends work like you think they work. Much easier said than done.

            Also, a year and a half? You absolutely sure about that?

          • Bjajjull

            How do you want them to make money then?
            Buy an iOS device if you're not happy how Google make money, it's not our loss.

        • http://turbofool.com Jarrett Lennon Kaufman

          I think you and I have different definitions of "sweat." Just because a company makes something look easy doesn't mean it didn't take them months and hundreds of employees and hundreds of thousands of dollars.

          And what are you referring to that they've done before? The takeover of GrandCentral that, if memory serves me, was around a year before it became Voice? Or the fact that Messenger+ and Google Talk were merged after over a year of existing side by side?

        • jyrkesh

          Having worked at a large, established tech company, I can tell you that having massive resources does not equal instantaneous accomplishment. You don't realize the amount of logistics that goes into refactoring two massive code databases while simultaneously expending resources on fixing existing bugs, supporting existing customers, and making sure not break existing APIs (as much as is possible). Not to mention the fact that the logistics problem becomes harder as the amount of developers on a team grows, and they have to cooperate and write internal documentation for each other.

          This is not some one-man Github project. They ARE doing it. It's not going to happen overnight, be patient. These are brilliant people, and the company is totally onboard with reducing fragmentation, they're going to get there.

          Also, for the record, I use Voice exclusively for my personal cell phone number. I use Fusion Messenger and the Voice app side-by-side (I still like Fusion better than Voice+). I highly recommend it.

          • Jack Bunce

            When the hell did they start supporting existing customers? Google Reader? Google Maps for Android?

    • dhruva

      it will happen, relax. just like artem said - two down one to go.

    • dogulas

      Thank you for so perfectly putting into words the horrifying frustration in my aching soul, as well as the universe in general.

    • Level380

      google voice is a USA only thing.... SMS/Hangouts is a WORLD WIDE thing. There is more people outside the USA using the product than just you yanks you know. No one cares about google voice outside of the USA as the product doesn't exist.

    • Nathaniel Webb

      When you become responsible for the user experience on millions of phones, i bet you'll be a little more cautious.

  • Jesse Pinkeman

    Where's my Google Voice, bitch!?!?!

  • Glenn

    Isn't it amazing that they've taken this long to implement it, when Facebook Messenger included it months ago?

    • TheOozyMan

      Yeah and facebook still sucks

    • Alex Mocaby

      Facebook Messenger has SMS as a separate thread. The implementation everyone wants would be similar to iMessage.

    • Mobile Phones Fan

      OK, but Facebook has lots of extra manpower to throw at messaging since they spend practically no time on their Android app...
      .

    • selonmoi

      Look at the Facebook app. Now look at the Google+ app.

      Now hold up your hand, roll your fingers forward to make a fist, squeeze tight, and punch yourself in the face.

  • heyfrightnn

    its easier to eliminate Google voice than messaging app. all Google has to do is remove Google voice app from playstore and add the feature to hangouts(they can also initiate an uninstall for all devices). but getting rid of messaging app is a different story. its a system app and every OEM has different app with different signed apk. so getting rid of it is not possible.

    • Phil Oakley

      You don't understand. Hangouts won't replace the messaging app in AOSP - it can't. But what Google can do is replace the messaging app with Hangouts on Nexus devices, just like they've done with Chrome and the AOSP Browser.

  • Josh Brown

    In the mockup "Delivery reports" is duplicated/mislabled

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      Whoops. Fix in a moment.

  • ADent

    Well, if they really do that, discard the plain vanila SMS Messaging, like they discarded voice calls from Talk, by by Android, hello Windows. Enough is enough.

    • Thomas’

      Bye!

    • Mobile Phones Fan

      Well, good luck correcting your messaging issues via a switch to WindowsPhone. After all, WP lets you have only one ringtone for everything. :-
      .

    • Justin W

      I think you are missing this. OEMs will likely still use the old messaging app, but Nexus devices may not include the AOSP messaging app (which OEMs would be using to make their own version of the SMS app anyway). Also, switching to WP won't help much with that problem.

    • esper256

      You can just install any SMS app you want from the Play Store. Welcome to Android, choices welcome.

  • Alexei Watson

    Still can't do video calls on stock galaxy nexus. force close - EVERY time.

    even tried a new factory image. fix that shit google

    • Alexei Watson

      well here's a heads up - Google actually responded after many months. video calls in hangouts crash if you have an animated .gif as your G+ profile picture.

  • Nick Giulioni

    Do you think that you will be able to send SMS from desktop browser? Would be much nicer than going through the occasionally janky mightytext

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      I have no idea, sorry.

      • Nick Giulioni

        I appreciate all your hard work. Fingers crossed!

      • codemonkey85

        If they're not integrating Voice yet probably not.

        • Brad

          I'd think maybe... since you can "text" from gmail...

        • http://randomphantasmagoria.com/ Shawn

          I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Google just gives up on Voice altogether a-la Reader. Google has made it abundantly clear through their actions that Voice isn't a priority for them at all, and who can blame them? They probably don't make a dime off of it. The only way to make money on it would be to charge for it. If they did that, though, it would cost them an enormous chunk of their user base. Let's be honest, most people only use Google Voice for free texting because they're on some legacy plan with their carrier that doesn't include unlimited texting.

          Without free texting, there's no real need for Voice unless you have multiple phones that you want to control with one phone number. Most of us aren't in that boat.

          I'm completely indifferent about whether Google Voice lives or dies, honestly. These days, cell carriers are understanding that charging people for data and throwing in unlimited talk and text as "value adds" is a great revenue stream and is widely embraced by customers. So if people are getting "free" texting through their carrier as part of their regular plan, there's really no need for them to have Voice.

          • Roberto

            Um... I use Voice as my voicemail app. It works great, sends me an email transcript of messages, etc. Also, I can text from a browser which is much faster than on a phone.

          • http://randomphantasmagoria.com/ Shawn

            How is the voicemail transcription? The last time I tried it (maybe 6 months ago) it was still pretty awful when compared side by side to the actual message. Has it gotten any better recently?

          • quidpro

            It's still terrible, but show me one that's good for comparison. Some people speak clearly, some people mumble, some people have accents. The transcription is not why it exists, however. In terms of delivering my voicemail and allowing me to find it anywhere, it works great. I never text with Voice. SMS texting needs to die. "Free" or otherwise. voice plans? data plans? text plans? They're all data. Who are the providers trying to fool?

          • Adam Margeson

            No, I don't use it for the texting. No, I don't use it for controlling multiple phones. I use it as a spam number that I can give businesses (and people I don't trust) so that if I start getting calls from people I don't want to talk to, I can relegate that caller to spam (either "This number is not valid" or straight to voice-mail) For that reason alone, I hope Google Voice stays around for a long time.

          • Hio

            I actually would be very sad to see it go. I sit in front a desk almost all day, and have multiple cell phones through work. I don't pay for anything so the "free" aspect isn't important to me. Most traditional IM clients have died off in favor of people passively messaging each other with SMS or Facebook. Most of my friends just don't sit in front of a computer all day anymore unless they're IT. So the ability to control all that from the website works very well. The widget in Chrome is also useful.

            Its extremely convenient to have all your personal messages in one place on any phone you want. I've used my GVoice number as the primary number for years and its the only number people know. Anytime I switch carriers, move, its still just the same number. Plus I'm bouncing between multiple phones.

            As long as I can still keep my Gvoice number, and receive all my SMS through any phone or web browser, I'm golden.

          • Ashley

            Speak for yourself. I have a cheap hotspot. I text with Voice from my Nexus 7, and at home, Voice has replaced my house phone, which I cancelled when Voice came out. It saves me some serious cash, man. I love Voice.

          • http://mwinter.in/ Yan Gabriel Minário

            I really love how the rest of the world is not a priority for anything at all.

          • http://randomphantasmagoria.com/ Shawn

            Sometimes it isn't that simple. When you launch Google Voice internationally, you are dealing with an absolute nightmare of regulation.

          • http://mwinter.in/ Yan Gabriel Minário

            No, I'm not talking about it. I'm complaining about the fact that if something isn't good for US, then no one should get it. Like 4G Nexus 4, Google Voice, etc.
            I know Google is 'murican, but, hey, money is money, doesn't matter where it comes, right?

    • Mastermind26

      with Gvoice you can do that now.
      So I would say yes.....shortly.

    • Thomas’

      Hm, sounds unlikely. You'd need to choose which device should send the SMS, then Google needs to send your message onto your device first such that it can forward it as a SMS. That's not very reasonable.

      On the other hand, if SMS are send via a Google gateway, this shouldn't be a problem. But that's even more unlikely.

      • Sarah

        FYI each phone number has an email address of sorts. You can open any email, type the correct address and have your friend receive the message as an sms. Pretty sure this is how your carrier texts you about your bill or upgrade options
        Also, I believe this is how "my sms" works.
        This is an app that does just what several comments onthis are hoping for : acts as a chat app on your phone that sometimes uses Internet chat and sometimes uses sms to reach your friends and can be used exactly the same way from a computer. I can log into the my sms website from any computer and send sms messages to any of my friends. Even the one lingering non smart phone user.

        • Thomas’

          Email gateways are not really standardized. For my provider I'd need to activate it and then pay 0.20€ for each SMS received which is ridiculous. Actually, paying for receiving SMS is rather unknown outside the US.

    • http://turbofool.com Jarrett Lennon Kaufman

      Very unlikely, at least not for now. It would have to communicate back to your phone to do it, and I don't think they'd find that worth it. Once they add Voice, sure, since that's already possible. But not with your phone's number.

      • Ryan O’Neill

        Isn't that what iMessage does? Use the phone to send texts from a different device?

        • http://turbofool.com Jarrett Lennon Kaufman

          Does it? I've never used it.

        • bozs13

          iMessages are just like using Google Hangouts in the aspect of it being a chat protocol. So yes, just like hangouts, you can do it from your computer as well. But you can't send texts from your computer...I've had people try it and get some fails.

          • thelicoriceman

            You can if the other user has an iPhone, but in reality that doesn't use the SMS/MMS protocols.

    • Michael

      It's possible! I can with my Moto X via their software!

      • chriscarver

        He isn't talking about proprietary software.

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/author/eric-ravenscraft/ Eric Ravenscraft

          TIL Google doesn't make proprietary software.

          • chriscarver

            It's Motorola. Still not Google.

          • mike livingston

            Motorola is Google minus Android team.

        • Dmitri Smirnov

          Hangouts is proprietary. So are all google apps.

          • chriscarver

            Tell that to the guy below me.

    • Roberto Mezquia Jr

      So Hangouts is already available via desktop, I think its pretty safe to say you can send IM's easily enough... Via SMS, not likely because normal Hangouts works just fine!

    • bprichard

      If you want to do that right now, you can use Airdroid, which is pretty awesome on a lot of levels. Nice for installing APKs and messing with files, too.

    • Cincybearcatfan

      Yeah what they said ^, I can do this with my Motorola Droid Maxx as well. I know, it's Moto not Google. That's like Dr. Jekyll saying it wasn't me, it was Mr. Hyde!

      The nature of app development is consumer feedback.It's not "entitlement". That's why the Play Store has a "comments" section so that we "the consumers" can give our feedback on the apps we use. We have the right to install or uninstall them as we find them useful or not useful. So if the developers goal is people using their app, they should listen to their feedback. This feature "SMS Integration" has been THE most requested feature of this app. It is, I would guess, by far and away the reason why MOST people that do not use Hangouts regularly, don't use it. It's inconvenient to use two different apps that could be integrated into one.

  • Brad

    I am so ready for this... Hopefully it picks the best path to deliver based on who you send it to. Though some of my friends might be annoyed if they have to go into hangouts to get my texts.

  • ithehappy

    Great, seriously. I just hope it won't turn out to be a 'US only' thing though.

    • Trevor Kinsie

      Well SMS is universal, so they wouldn't really need to do anything different for different parts of the world.

    • Thomas’

      SMS are send from your device, not via a Google server (my guess from looking at the screenshots). I don't see a reason why this should be US only then.

    • http://turbofool.com Jarrett Lennon Kaufman

      Why would it be? It's just phone-level app stuff. It's the Voice aspect I'd be more concerned about here.

  • http://www.ScienceProUSA.com SciencePro

    Still no Google Voice integration? Honestly, I would have expected that long before native SMS integration. It just makes sense.

    • http://turbofool.com Jarrett Lennon Kaufman

      While it makes sense, I imagine the backend changes required to pull it off are MASSIVE compared to mimicking the simple functionality even Facebook Messenger added of handling basic SMS on a local level. Voice integration requires them to merge or integrate two completely unrelated systems at the cloud level. We're talking easily 100X the cost and workflow. Probably more.

  • TY

    IMO you should place a huge watermark on the mockup saying "MOCKUP!!!", or else people will start spreading the picture saying it's 100% confirmed.

    • Justin W

      That's going to happen anyway. A lot of news sites don't even read articles in whole before they write about it.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      Good idea for next time. Too late now really for this one.

  • Thomas’

    Which former messenger allowed to call landlines/mobile numbers? Google Talk?

  • VS980

    I can confirm this is true .. I have heard about this as well

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      Who are you, who is your daddy, and what does he do?

      • VS980

        If this is true I might be your daddy !!!. Just mark my words buddy

        • Scott

          Apparently you missed the Kindergarten Cop reference.

  • Scott

    I'd be okay with this so long as hangouts messaging functions just as google voice messaging, in that I can send and receive texts via my google voice number. Tat function has saved me lord knows how much money on a prepaid plan.

    • Justin W

      I'd be fine with that, but I hope beyond hope that it doesn't retain Voice's horrible threading. It would be nice if all texts from one person were in the same thread, regardless of what friggin day I sent it.

      • Tony

        My god Google Voice's threading or lack thereof is my biggest hate of it!! Glad I'm not the only one going crazy with 5 different threads all by the same person!!

  • CodingSquared

    I can't see who is ONLINE! :(

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      You can, since 1.2.

      • pfmiller

        Only from the contact list. Not from within the conversion threads, the place people actually spend most of their time when chatting.

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

          Fair enough.

          • http://www.bordersweather.co.uk/ Andy J

            I've never understood this complaint - when you say "not from within the conversation threads" I can only assume you mean the actual conversation - the one where the little squares of the people light up when they are active and go grey when they aren't? It's not possible to do "online" and "offline" because there is a Chrome Extension which means when the computer is switched on and connected to the internet - the associated Google account is ONLINE even if the person isn't actually using the computer. The Glorious Google Talk everyone always hold up in such high regard when attempting to compare Hangouts was in reality utter tosh in this regard - You were "online" when your phone screen was on and "away" when it was off - you were "online" when active at your computer but "away" after a short time of not using your computer - not one of my friends with an Android device was ever offline unless they lost internet access.

        • Stacey Liu

          Yes you can. Hit action overflow inside the conversation, and then "People & Options." Bam. Hit back, you're back in the convo.

  • mrwirez

    If/when individual messaging and G voice are combined with Google+, I may as just install ROMs without gapps. I'll be forced to use third party apps. I hate Google+ and Facebook for that matter. Not everyone want G+ for all their communication applications. Google is fkn up by doing this. Why can't they add these functions to Hangouts, and leave the individual apps alone?? How lame.......

    • Justin W

      NEXUS devices. Besides that, you probably won't have to use it.

      The reason they are pushing for everyone to use G+ is because that is one of their largest potentials for personal data, which helps increase the accuracy at which they target the correct groups for advertisements. I'd rather use G+ than FB any day, the only reason I don't is because not many people I know are using it yet.

  • http://www.smsnetwork.org/ Mikael Jakobsson

    Not a day for late, and its awsome get remove some apps some can keep in hangouts.
    Give easier why to keep everything in one spot and that is awsome and good controll over once phone.

  • wilflare

    Please have a Dark Theme to go along with this release... darn I was thinking of uninstalling Hangouts to minimize wake locks

    • vyktor

      no.

      • http://www.standupforkids.org blackroseMD1

        I'm sure a lot of people, myself included, would enjoy a dark theme.

      • wilflare

        no to what? haha I hope you are referring to the wakelocks bit!

  • deltatux

    As long as I can backup my SMS with Hangouts I would switch over, without it I won't switch over and would sideload Messaging.apk if it disappears in future updates. That and I still need my SMS delivery confirmation because SMS has known to not send properly on my carrier and/or friend's carrier before so it's pretty important for me.

    • Thomas’

      I'm not completely sure about that, but isn't the SMS database unbundled from the messaging app anyway?

      • deltatux

        Point is all I want is an ability to backup and restore them, don't really care if the backup is on cloud or local, as long as there's a way to back it up, I'll be happy.

        One thing I like about Windows Phone is the fact that Microsoft backs up your SMS threads via the cloud, surprised Google hasn't done this seeing how Google's suppose to be the "King of the Cloud".

        • Thomas’

          Just use one of the googillion SMS backup tools from the Play Store.
          There's a permission to access your SMS, you don't need to backup the messaging app for this.

          • deltatux

            We don't know if Hangouts will use the same SMS database as the regular Messaging app does. iirc, Facebook Messenger doesn't use the SMS database for SMS...

          • Thomas’

            That's because the facebook engineers are fuckin' retards (and I'm not exaggerating on this. Take a look in the git commits of Android 4.3 for more details...). Google's engineers will hopefully be more reasonable.

          • deltatux

            Well, until the app is released, I'm not going to put my hopes too high up. We'll see how this plays out. One thing that I still need even though I can backup my SMS is having delivery confirmations just like the Messaging app currently has.

          • Thomas’

            You mean like the "Delivery report" checkbox in the options above?

          • deltatux

            Derp, didn't see that =P. Thanks for pointing that out, hopefully it'll work exactly like the Messaging app.

          • Thomas’

            :p

  • https://twitter.com/Jasonreloaded Jasonreloaded

    So if they're getting rid of the standard messaging app- does this mean that Hangouts will work like iMessage? PLEASE SAY YES! And if it does, would it only work w/ other android devices or could we expect iOS support? ( which I doubt because of how strict apple is).

    • http://rootzwiki.com/news Max M.

      Yeah Hangouts is already on iOS so I don't see why this should change it.

      • https://twitter.com/Jasonreloaded Jasonreloaded

        Well I mean would the SMS/MMS support work with iOS devices.

        • David Thoren

          Probably only android as iOS likely has the ability to send sms restricted.

  • Hélder Ferreira

    The Hangouts app need lots of improvements.

    The interface is bad, very heavy app. So if they want to merge the SMS / MMS app into Hangouts, they need to change the interface to something really better, really user friendly and consume lots less resources.

    What about introduce the Blink Engine in the Android default browser?

    As Google told, they don't want to turn the Chrome as default browser.

    As all know, the Android browser is very weak and very slow...

    They need to show something really really great in the Android 4.4 or Google will be heavily criticized.

    From 4.2 to 4.3 don't have nothing really new or really usefull, beyond the permissions manager and app verification system.

    It's time to Google give some more color to Android too, the Holo UI is light but not beautiful.

    I can compare Holo UI with the Windows Phone UI. Both are light, but without color, very boring and monotonous.

    Because this, is why I like the TouchWiz.
    I know many do not like, but only are opinions, I have mine and others have theirs.
    Every one likes what they wants.

    • basteagow

      cool story bro

    • Gnex

      You are a fucking moron.

      • woj_tek

        lol... constructive on your part =,=

    • Zack Whitfield

      Holo is the best design out there, across anything pretty much. The stock Android browser isn't bad, and they won't bother with it because you can just download a new one.

      Whatever Google release will be fine, it's a point update.

  • ConCal

    *big sigh of relief *

  • Ashish

    Is this really the integration everyone has been waiting for? Just to simply have 1 app instead of 2. I'm on a limited text plan I was hoping something like iMessage was in the works.

    • Ben

      I agree. I was waiting for hangouts to auto-detect if the other user is on android, and convert the message to data instead of sms and send it as a hangout with read receipts and typing notifications

      • Thomas’

        You agree yourself?

        Anyways. Hangouts already has some kind of "auto-detect" - that's why it's asking for confirmation of your phone number when starting the first time.

  • Gnex

    Fun with screenshots

  • mcored

    This is the best news I heard for this month so far!

  • JPB

    Yes, please!

  • mlj11

    Suggestion: It'd be cooler if the mock-up displayed the next Android version (ie 4.4), like how Google does it with their own promotional screenshots.

  • PiLoT .

    INSERT >GENERIC RANT DEMANDING APPEARANCE OF FEATURES, ALL IN CAPS, WITH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FALSE ENTITLEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Defenestratus

      Well played sir. Well played indeed.

      Android users are pretty snobby when it comes down to it. Google gives us what we've demanded since the beginning of time and all we can do is complain about it.

      • Zack Whitfield

        That's because when they complain, they get. Unlike a certain fruit-y userbase.

        • perfectlyreasonabletoo

          So brave. So powerful. So insightful.

          • thwap

            Lol.

    • dhruva

      its not entitlement. people are passionate.

      • PiLoT .

        there is a difference between

        "Michael Hilmer

        IT CAN'T BE THAT HARD TO INTEGRATE VOICE. JUST FUCKING DO IT, GAWD."

        and

        "ConCal

        *big sigh of relief *"

      • Plazmic Flame

        ...or absolutely nuts

    • Jeremy Martin

      Cannot really use the false entitlement argument here like you can with free apps or free ROM's. If you bought your phone then you really do have a right to gripe when something you like and use changes that originally came with the phone.

      I personally am looking forward to a one stop shop kind of setup with hangouts but hangouts needs work still in my opinion. With that said if they release this and away goes the stock Android text app then there will be upset people. Not everyone likes hangouts...and if you paid for something (the phone) and then they changed something in the OS (removing the default text application) then you certainly have the right to complain as you are entitled.

      We dont know what the plans are...They will probably keep both applications and allow you to merge your texts into one app if you choose by a setting. Sort of like what they did for Google Voice and the stock text app. Until then its all speculation how they are going to handle it.

      • PiLoT .

        you got it wrong. my poke was at those who are demanding NEW FEATURES to be added and whoe are getting impatient with intergration.
        Not those who want the SMS app to stay

        • Jeremy Martin

          Ah understood :)

  • wilflare

    and we can finally say goodbye to Facebook Messenger (on my phone at least)

  • Martin S Shepherd

    My issue: Will "Hangouts" support group SMS messaging... I use group messaging to send messages to private contractors at the rate of 115 messages out at one time (six different groups). Then receive upwards of 20-30 responses. Which prompt an update of another 115 text messages....

    It is not uncommon for me to send 500 SMS messages within two hours...

    If "Hangouts" can't support sending messages by groups - then, it won't matter how "great" it is....

    • Mackster248

      I would be very surprised if it didn't support group messaging.

  • Kevin Slawinski

    So what happens in this scenario:

    - Friend uses Google+/Gmail/any other Hangouts-compatible Desktop client, but do not use Hangouts on their Mobile phone (be it iOS or Android).
    - I go on Hangouts (on my phone) and decide to message said friend.
    - Hangouts sees that they're technically online because of being signed in to their desktop site(s) so it sends the message via the Hangouts protocol and never gets to their phone.
    - I sit and wait for them to (possibly never) respond to the Hangouts message (happens a lot irl), when in reality all I wanted was a SMS message to be sent.

    There should be a way to force SMS, whether that be specific to messages, contacts, or something else.

    • Kenny Griffin

      I'm wondering the same thing. My iOS friends use Hangouts on desktop, but not on their phone.

    • thelicoriceman

      Well just because you have Hangouts open on your desktop does not mean you're online. Hangouts marks you as "offline" after a period of inactivity.

    • Tyler

      I think its time to do some convincing for this hypothetical person to download it on their phone.

      • woj_tek

        you are aware that not everyone has smartphone nor want to use any IM on their smartphone yet they love and use sms?!

    • Zack Whitfield

      What a dumb comment/scenario. The person on the desktop just replies via Hangouts on Desktop. You're only classed as online if Hangouts is up and running, meaning your message would appear on screen. Being signed into Google in-browser doesn't mean you're online in Hangouts, you have to be on the Hangouts site in that case.

  • dhruva

    google should do thorough testing before integrating messaging with hangouts. when people get messages its like an email list, chronologically. im very interested how they will implement this.

  • andy_o

    You know those mockups are gonna end up on some other sites as the real deal. Maybe put a visible "mockup" watermark on them?

  • DJ SPY

    This is a legitimate question, why do you want so badly to do away with text messages? Seriously? I have hangouts disabled. Non of my friends use it. If they merge the apps that means I'll have to be signed in to Google while hangouts, just like every other Google app sucks up an enormous amount of resources and battery.

    • David Thoren

      This isn't talking about getting rid of text messages, but rather being able to send sms text messages from hangouts.

      • DJ SPY

        Yes it is. Look at the last three images. Two down, one to go.

        • David Thoren

          ..yeah.. getting rid of separate apps for messaging. Getting them all unified under one heading. In what way is that "getting rid of text messages"?

          • DJ SPY

            My fault for the confusion. I meant why do they want it to be unified? Did you read the rest of my comment?

          • David Thoren

            Benefit: Unified messaging so that if you can have all of your conversations in one place.

            I adore hangouts. I can have multiple people in a hangout with me, see where each person has read up to, and keep a conversation going between my smartphone, and any computer I happen to be at without duplicate notifications. If I can have my conversations in one app, one thread, one place, vs what I have now, I welcome it. I have been looking forward to SMS integration into Hangouts since El Goog made the first steps by unifying Google+ Messenger and Talk.

            Just because you don't like it/care for it, doesn't mean it would not be a substantial benefit to others.

          • varun

            Yeah, but not everyone likes Hangouts. Some of us do use small things like status messages, for instance. I have Hangouts disabled, too, and use IM Pro+ as my Jabber client. If SMS gets swallowed, then that's going to make it seriously hard for me to upgrade.

          • woj_tek

            well, you can still get another app for sms, like go sms pro or something similar

          • varun

            Yeah, but if I'm in the boat of stripping out everything Google-related, I might as well switch to another OS.

          • woj_tek

            I'm slowly getting there :)

          • David Thoren

            Sounds like it. If you haven't bought-in to the google ecosystem, and the google services... why are you using an android again?

            I mean it as a serious philosophical question, not in a "why are you still here" attitude. What keeps you using android, what makes you an android fan such that you spend time on an android blog discussing unannounced updates to an android app?

          • varun

            It could be that I enjoy the customizability of Android - and enjoy mixing widgets, apps, contacts, and all manner of other things on a single screen.

            Or it could be that I've seen Google slowly taking the best parts of Android out of AOSP and putting it behind the Google certification wall, which means alternative distros based on Android are becoming less and less capable for individuals, while doing nothing to slow down the awful skinning of companies like Samsung or LG.

            But really, it is that there was a point of time that Google used to make delightful products that were fun to use, not products that you had to fight to get to behave the way you want. And then they decided to monetize everything and I was already locked in.

            And my point was to show you that plural of anecdote isn't data. Just because you love Hangouts doesn't mean all of us do.

          • David Thoren

            Google has been taking things out of AOSP and putting them on the play store so they could be updated separate from the ROM itself. It's their way of fighting against the "FRAGMENTATION!!!" issue. How many people have a brand new Calendar Client on their phone because they can update from Play rather than waiting on their manufacturer to update? Or the Keyboard?

            As for the monetization... They are google! They make their money off of ads! If you didn't see the monetization of an OS that they GIVE AWAY FOR FREE coming... I honestly don't know what to say.

            I still enjoy android, I am bought-in to the google ecosystem. I think Hangouts is a great product and adding the ability to send SMS is a great thing.

            As for the "plural of anecdote data" BS, yeah... I know. I never said you had to love it because others love it. All I said was that even though you don't see a benefit, others do. What the hell was wrong with that?

        • selonmoi

          Look at the previous image: "Turn on SMS / Send and receive SMS with Hangouts." If you can disable using Hangouts for SMS, it seems like you're golden. You can ignore Hangouts completely, use it just for IM, or use it for IM and SMS. Your choice.

          Even if Google stops shipping the existing Messaging app on Nexus devices, you can bet that someone will package it from AOSP for installation from the Play Store.

          • Zack Whitfield

            You hit it on the head; "just for IM" or "for IM and SMS". Where's "just for SMS"?

  • Mayoo

    So will it stop saying (Replaces Talk) in the title? We know it already!

  • whispy_snippet

    This is brilliant.

  • duse

    Don't really care about this because if I was using standard SMS/MMS, I would just use the Messaging app all the time and forget Hangouts, since everyone uses SMS and the Hangouts app is slow and crap. Why bother with anything else when SMS is universal and allows for picture messaging as well.

    However...I don't use standard SMS, I use Google Voice. Because of this, what I really want is 1) GV integration with Hangouts so I can abandon the crap GV app, and 2) MMS over GV, so I can actually send picture messages and doing everything else from the same phone number.

    Without this, I am seriously considering just porting my number out of GV and forgetting about it.

  • john

    Ok cool, but no one is on google plus. viva la facebook messenger.

  • hp420

    I'm a little confused. It says in the article that nexus devices may use hangouts instead of the stock messaging app. I would assume that means that hangouts would send and receive sms/mms with the phone number registered to my sim card. This would add a lot of confusion if they integrate google voice, though, because that uses a different phone number. So which number would hangouts use, or would it uise both, and if so, how would I choose which number to send a message with?

  • Willie D

    The day Google integrates voice is the day I leave Google as a platform provider.I keep my account separate for a reason.

    • Arthur Dent

      Cool story, bro.

  • Itchy_Robot

    If they release this thing without group text messaging... I'm going to pull my hair out.

  • peterfares

    I think they'll kill Voice before it gets integrated.

  • tery_cota

    Thanks +Artem. When ever yo share news that really mean something.

  • LockesKidney

    is it me or is this what FB messenger is already doing????

    • GreenyO

      Not really I guess. You can send and receive SMS via FB messenger, but they're in a separate thread even if the contact is the same.
      The way I see Google integration is more like Apple's (via iMessage) : one thread by contact and both SMS and hangout listed there switching automatically when you're connected to Internet or whatsoever.

  • https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=iWizard Bikram Agarwal

    Mandatory rant - will they ever bring the "hangout to hangout voice call" and "offline" status mode to hangout? Without these, I'm not "upgrading".

    • Paul Taylor

      Yes, it's really stupid. You can easily get voice-to-voice by launching a video call and then you both tap the camera 'mute' icon to make it audio only. So the functionality is ALREADY THERE but your average user isn't going to think of that. They should make a dedicate voice-calling button.

      • https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=iWizard Bikram Agarwal

        Not sure whether you were making a dig at me. So, I am going to assume you were genuinely trying to help.
        I'm aware of the video call and 'mute' video option. But as you said, non-geek users won't like that. A simple solution is needed; tap the mic icon to initiate voice call, tap camera icon to initiate video call.

        • Paul Taylor

          Sorry, not at all having a dig... I shouldn't have put the capital letters, they were aimed at Google not you. I'm 100% in agreement with you.

  • http://scribblepeople.net Mike

    I do not see a reason to keep google voice, I do see a reason to keep messaging, for MMS

  • MrWicket

    do we think they'll fully merge voice and hangouts? I mean, Voice is still great for voice mail (I suppose why not have that in hangouts) and a phone number which isn't something everyone uses so I'm not sure all of voice makes sense to be fully merged. Getting SMS and MMS into hangouts I think is the biggest step, anything after that is just icing on the cake IMO.

    • Paul Taylor

      Voice isn't available in most of the world anyway, so I guess SMS was a higher priority. But their aim ought to be a fully unified communications service, and Voice should be a part of that imho.

      • MrWicket

        yeah, I suppose there's no reason to not have it all in one but do you get voice mails in imessage and bbm? that's why I think Voice will live on as just being for voice mail which is what most people use it for anyways.

  • woj_tek

    funny enough I got rid of hangout and got a regular IM client (IM+) for gtalk... Hangouts was getting reeeeaaaalllyyyy slow (imagine thousends of messages) and it insisted to split conversation with one person to two separate threads/hangouts, which was both retarded and schizophrenic (removing both of them or archiving didn't solve the issue) O_x
    another annoyance is that I wasn't able to use iOS client without getting G+ (which I don't want) and OS client is tied to chrome, which is tied to the synch account, and I use IM on my personal domain hosted in gapps... which makes it even easier to jump ships with the current state of "improvements" made by google (I'm down to calendar and gmail, but the latter sucks balls more and more)

    • Zack Whitfield

      should go before the rant, and after, gawd.

      • woj_tek

        lol... it was empty tag (i.e. "" but it seems that disquss wants to be smarter...

        nevertheless a punchline - "I'm just trying to fit google's half-assed regard for standards, i.e. let's f*ck everyone and do whatever we want" :p

  • Bleakvision

    So what was the point of shipping this unfinished mess in May and taking away the perfectly fine Talk app?

    • http://www.free-clan.org/ NHLfan

      Hangout works great.
      I don't miss Talk a bit.

      • woj_tek

        no, it doesn't...

      • Paul Taylor

        In that case I assume you only ever used the subset of Talk of functionality that has been made available in Hangouts, and never used the rest...

        • http://www.free-clan.org/ NHLfan

          sure I used Talk

          • Paul Taylor

            That's what I said. But you obviously didn't use the parts of Talk that have been dropped. Otherwise you would miss them.

  • Andrea

    Does this mean that main phone account will be always online on hangouts? I mean.... this new update should send a SMS only if the receiver doesn't have hangouts installed, am I right?

    • Paul Taylor

      Or if you have lost your 3G/wifi signal but can still send texts. Same for their reply, it might send their reply via Hangouts or via SMS, but you'll not want the conversation thread to be split (assuming you've opted into this). It would be nice it was all seamless - apparently iMessage does it for iPhones. Still, we'll see.

  • Raffy Carabello

    I honestly don't understand (read: don't kill me) how this is different from this:

    • Tony Sarju

      That's a feature which is tied to Google+. When people message you via G+ you can have the message sent to you via SMS. It's not the same as replacing the stock SMS app which handles SMS from all sources including G+.

    • Raffy Carabello

      You get down votes for having an honest question? Unbelievable.

  • mauric

    I hope they update the interface too. Still get lost in the swiping pool there.

    • Paul Taylor

      Definitely! Hangouts is one of the only Google apps that doesn't have their lovely navigation system with the sliding navigation panel. I wish they'd change it.

      • http://my.opera.com/rafaelluik Rafael Luik

        What would be the point of a sliding navigation panel there? What would be the items in the panel list?

  • Dmitri Smirnov

    I doubt they'd do away with SMSes. For one simple reason: many countries here in Europe, where internet is cheap and SMS-es are pretty costy, so I'd rather have their management separately.

    • Paul Taylor

      Well you know that they won't do away with it completely, otherwise that checkbox "Send and receive SMS with Hangouts" wouldn't be there. They don't force you to tick it. The worst they might do is no longer ship the stock SMS app, but even if they don't ship it they might still leave it in the Play Store, and there are others such as Textra that work well.

  • dontsh00tmesanta

    Android version of face time coming?

    • Ryan Steddy

      Hangouts are centred on videochats, that is their version of face time.

      • dontsh00tmesanta

        Sweet finally can't wait till it combines Google voice now my work texts will come to one place no more seperate apps

  • Mantas

    Is here anyone who remebers and wants video call ("3g video" I think) compatibility in stock android? I had it on my samsung galaxy s+ android 2.3 back in the day, and don't say that's sammy feature, because many manufacturers did offered this and carriers let video call over 3g and greater network.

  • Cory Wilson

    Yeah but will this allow me to receive text messages on tabs and PCs too?

  • http://www.LOVEanon.org/ Michael Oghia (Ogie)

    Hmm... I actualley like having the Messages app separate (IMs and SMSs are two very different services), however, I find it really odd to have the Google Voice app separate.

    • QwietStorm

      Well it hasn't been integrated yet.

      • http://www.LOVEanon.org/ Michael Oghia (Ogie)

        And I hope they don't. But integrating Voice into Hangouts seems like a no-brainer.

  • https://plus.google.com/u/0/108482452903817442299/posts Andrew Bone

    The real question for me is, will I be able to send and receive texts from my computer and tablet?

  • Sahil Chaturvedi

    Finally, I'll use Hangouts for something.

  • Miah

    I still don't think it will gain users like WhatsApp; I tell you why: The way WhatsApp gains its users is by phone number, and Google method is an Google Account.

    • Fresh2infinity

      couldn't agree more!

    • Alpa

      I still dont know anyone using whatsapp

  • Troy Leonard

    I am still waiting on the long promised but never delivered ability to send and receive mms via Google voice. This is great but for me the voice integration is more important. All my messaging and calling goes through voice. So right now I a crippled from using mms. But am too dependant on voice to ditch it. 'sigh' I guess. I'll just keep waiting maybe sometime in 2015 they'll Springfield g clean away voice all together.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/barronlroth Barron Roth

    Somewhat doubt it will replace the Messaging app, simply because the name "Hangouts" in no way suggests text messaging ability for average users.

  • chadstone30

    "You can request delivery reports for sent SMSes - a feature that is part of the SMS protocol that some of you may be using regularly (though if you are, please don't text me)."

    Why not? Is there a privacy concern with delivery reports? Just curious. c

  • Bud Lutz

    good god Hangouts is such an absolutely horrible name......"Talk" was bad, but not near as bad as Hangouts.

    Google....just get smart and copy Apple's messaging system. And give it a normal name. I've been using an iPhone 5C for a few days now before going back to my One, and the messaging is one thing I will for sure miss. It's so simple.....

  • MikeCiggy

    It should have the name changed to Messaging and only Android to Android messages be called Hangouts. Maybe just small labels with-in. Kind of how iPhone is normal text messaging but with apple to apple it's considered an iMessage.

    I can't imagine my parents looking at their phone and knowing the 'Hangouts' is used for texting.

  • Joshua Bluehawk

    I don't want my "messaging" app to go away. -.-

  • Scott Hendry

    i love the consolidation part at the end

  • alpa

    If they want us to take their security efforts seriously they should be integrating OTR and giving us full access to make our own apps over the protocol.

  • Jake Lewis

    MMS has always been Achilles heel of Google Voice so I'd be pleased to see that they got it right for Hangouts.
    Currently incomming MMS to my gVoice number just get lost in some black hole with neither party informed of the failure. It's gotten more of a problem recently as many of the newly fashionable group SMS products actually send the data as MMS.
    I hope the work done on this new Hangouts release will transfer across to gVoice.

  • Michael Pahl

    Finds obscure app in Play Store, thinking he stumbled on a jem.. "Artem +1'd this."

    • someone755

      This guy is a legend.

  • Patrick Torossian

    Hey Liam Spradlin, what tool did you use for the mockup? It looks great!

  • u251

    Would this sync sms messages accros devices or would they be device-specific e.g. would i see messages sent to my nexus 4 on my nexus 7?

    Also would there be a way to transfer my old sms messages from the messaging app to hangouts?

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  • Vasilis K.

    Intergrate voice for God's shake!!!

  • JonJJon

    Glad to see the authenticity of the back arrow still having the missing pixel in the mock-up ;-P

  • cabbiebot

    This is how you know Google Voice itself isn't long for this world...check out Google's solution to Voice calls ringing in Hangouts: https://support.google.com/voice/answer/3140178?hl=en

    Basically, they tell you to not use Hangouts if it matters to you. Combine that with knowing Hangouts is the future, and you get a pretty accurate picture of how they see Voice: instead of working on the problem itself, they are bypassing it completely with the intention of integrating all the Voice functionality into Hangouts. That's what I think is taking so long for this Hangouts update to get to where we all want it...it's not just the SMS/MMS integration, but also the phone call integration which is far more complex. Even political, given how carriers look at VOIP on their networks. Just my two cents.

  • Ashley

    It's clear to me after reading nearly all of the comments here that a lot of people really don't understand Google Voice and how fantastic it is. I save SO MUCH money having it. Smartphone people pay upwards of $100 for what I can do with a $35/mo hotspot and Nexus 7. Not to mention I don't need a home phone any longer as I can make and receive calls with Voice.

  • Rehaan

    Nice. A suggestion (to prevent collateral damage & tons of misunderstandings from people who don't read) : when doing "mock ups" that look pretty damn real, please indicate so on the image. Thanks.

  • Dave

    Boaring

  • Colin Richardson

    Next task will be to save the SMS apk file, so when it does disappear, I can reload it back in. I like SMS in SMS, I like Chat in Chat.

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    A year later:
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