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Not long ago CyanogenMod Nemesis Phase 1 was announced, spearheaded by a brand new camera app called Focal. It garnered quite a bit of excitement and demonstrated just how far the open source project had come. Unfortunately, one week shy of its 2 month anniversary, Focal has been officially removed from the ROM and isn't likely to make a return.

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Rumors of friction between the creator of Focal, Guillaume Lesniak (xplodwild), and heads of the organization have been circulating for some time now, but the official announcement of the new company brought the conflict to a head. We've reached out to the involved parties and learned that the details of the removal are mired in disagreements over dual-licensing now that the ROM may be sold commercially. Guillaume has confirmed he is cutting ties with CyanogenMod and will no longer be a contributor.

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Steve Kondik made the official changes to the code base earlier this afternoon, leaving two different comments that imply the discussions were complicated and did not end well. The initial commit message regards the app as unstable, but a comment left immediately afterward praises the app and then hints at the complications that would persist if it remained a part of the project.

In the wake of Focal's departure, it's not clear if a new camera project will start up or if the team will continue to rely on the AOSP-based camera. Focal will likely transition to the Play Store or may find a new home with projects like Paranoid Android or AOKP.

The loss of a high profile custom app is certainly a blow to the company. Whether this proves to be only the first falling out, or if more are looming in the future, we can't be sure. We will update if any new information comes to light.

Cody Toombs
Cody is a Software Engineer and Writer with a mildly overwhelming obsession with smartphones and the mobile world. If he’s been pulled away from the computer for any length of time, you might find him talking about cocktails and movies, sometimes resulting in the consumption of both.

  • ConCal

    I hope the incorporation doesn't breakup the CM community. This stinks.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      It will, to a degree, but since the leadership is very strong and committed, things will just be different, and you can bet CM will go on.

      I'm sure many contributors will stop contributing, but now that they have money and more people who can dedicate their time in full, they'll be able to make up for that using more conventional methods (fewer more dedicated workers, hiring more if needed - just like a proper company does business).

      After things calm down, I'm sure we'll still have a community that will maintain the myriad devices because in the end, CM has the strongest foundation to support so many devices, and people who don't care about the financial aspects, just like they haven't before (i.e. ones who aren't jealous right now) will continue to contribute.

      • EH101

        "...and people who don't care about the financial aspects, just like they haven't before (i.e. ones who aren't jealous right now) will continue to contribute."

        I'm not so sure I agree here. There's a big difference between freely contributing code to a project that practically no one makes money from, and contributing code to a project that will be attempting to profit off that code in some way, presumably with no means(read: plans) of compensating you.

        From what I've gathered in my Android time, most devs don't mind doing the work required to make non-OEM roms great as long as they aren't badgered about it, they get a few donations here and there, and they don't feel like they are being taken advantage of. I fail to see how the latter will not become an issue.

        So, with that said, I think contributions, or at least the number of contributors, will go down in the long run unless CM works out a way to pay them for their work.

        Of course, this is all speculation and we can do little but wait and see.

        • fonix232

          While I share your point of view on the developers current status, I think the incorporation won't make any huge difference for device supporters.

          The officially supported devices will be taken further by the company and its developers - but third-party, unofficial kang builds will definitely see the sunlight, especially as the official CM barely covers 10% of all released devices to date. From the remaining, about half has currently ongoing development/support, and about 3/4 of the remaining has stalled support/EOL releases. From the ongoing support, the company cannot make money unless they include the device as supported (and here they should include the developer in the paid devs, at least as a part-time worker, though the licensing kinda states that it is free to use by anyone, even companies).

          So in my opinion, no major change will occur. Currently supported (and future support) devices, like the LG G2, GS4, etc. flagships will get premium support, and fixes in no time (money is a great tool to make 'em brain cogs roll), while we will still enjoy the kang builds for unsupported devices.

        • dextersgenius

          @eh101:disqus I think everyone is forgetting that's pretty much how Linux (the kernel) works. Heaps of companies are making tons of money by building products around Linux, and yet, thousands of developers from around the world still continue to contribute freely to the Kernel, without any expectation of monetary compensation.

          CM isn't going away any time soon - the sudden loss of the number of contributors doesn't mean much to either CM or the community as a whole.
          Passionate devs will still contribute to the greater community (AOSP, Linux etc) which means the goodies will still find their way into CM.

          Finally, it's silly to think that CM would pay contributors for their work. They have no obligation to pay anyone - that's how the GPL licensing and open-source works, as there is no restriction preventing others from making money off the code, as long as you make the sources available.

          BTW, CM Inc still being the good guys they are, are actively hiring talented developers who have contributed to the project and wish to be part of the new company.

          • EH101

            Well, firstly, you're entirely wrong about the way Linux kernel development happens. Yes, there are quite a few independent developers but they are an extremely small group by number of contributions. Let's take the figures released by the Linux Foundation (LF) just 5 days or so ago.

            In the top 10 contributors by number of contributions:

            The none group; those with no affiliation to any company, contributed 13.6% of changes to the kernel over the past year (roughly). That is still mighty impressive and enough to claim the top spot, but still leaves over 85% of contributions.

            Another group, labeled unknown because the LF couldn't determine if they were or weren't linked to any company, contributed 3.3%. For the sake of argument and simplicity, we we'll just lump them together with the none category. So that makes 16.9% by individuals doing it for free.

            The other 8 groups in the top 10 combined equate to 38.8%. That's about 2.3 times more contributions compared to the 16.9% for the merged none and unknown group. Furthermore, all other contributions come from a company, and they make up 44.3%. All together, that means a staggering 83.1% of contributions to the Linux kernel over the past year were done by someone who gets paid to do it by their respective companies.

            This is why the Linux is still alive and still being upgraded so quickly (at an average of 70 days between the last 11 releases; amazing). This is also a luxury CyanogenMod does not have. CM, by comparison, is nearly 100% done by individuals not being paid to contribute (pre-CM Inc announcement). Let that sink in.

            Even if all the independent Linux devs suddenly quit, the kernel would still get along just fine. Why? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of companies who have a vested interest in seeing the kernel improve. There are precisely zero companies who have any reason to see CM continue, minus maybe Oppo(who probably doesn't care either way).

            CM will fail if they lose contributors. There is simply no way around it. The relatively small group they have made the core team, would both not be able to maintain all the devices they support today, nor gain support and maintain future devices. This implies fail to assume a fairly broad range of meanings, so to clarify: they will likely not fail as a company, but they would have to downsize on the number of devices they support at any one time.

            Now, rom-wise, CM is practically set in stone. I mean, when was the last time they made any significant changes that didn't come from an upgrade to the latest AOSP base? CMAccounts is all I can think of. In that sense, they picked a good time to make this change. You don't need all those free contributions when you have a fairly stable rom that doesn't change very much.

            This, however, effectively negates your claim that "the sudden loss of the number of contributors doesn't mean much to either CM or the community as a whole." Yes, it does mean a ton to the community, but probably not much to CM. If you like having stable releases for your device, you should care. There's a pretty good chance the person who made it possible for your device was not included into the core team. Does that mean this person is just going to quit contributing? Well, that's where the wait and see bit comes into play. I suspect most CM contributors will need more than a few days to figure out how they feel about CM Inc.

    • Joseph Cascio

      I hope this this doesn't cause issues for the ROM flashing community. I think the process that they are trying to make simpler is a great filter for those who shouldn't be doing it. Imagine how many more "noobs" there will be when flashing ROMs is only a click away. There are AIO toolkit but there is still a process and those are nearly as universal as Cyanogen's is going to be. I really hope it doesn't make the carriers and manufacturers now realize ROM flashing is an issue because of this change.

      • fonix232

        It won't be an issue. As per the statement, Cyanogen wants to work with manufacturers to enable flashing CM, and thus the carriers can have no word.

        The flashing procedure will probably be fool-proof. A service running on the phone as root, using flash_image to update recovery to a custom one (not necessarily CWM!), then an automatized update script takes over, reboots the phone, updates everything while saving user data (basically keeping most of /data, only removing major incompatibility issues e.g. dexopt files, etc.).

        And bam, without wiping (or even with a wipe), you have a clean ars.... new system without all the carrier/manufacturer crap.

        • Joseph Cascio

          The carriers would never be on board with what Cyanogen is trying to do. Let me repeat. Never. In fact, they will do anything in their power to make this not be available on any of the devices they carry, unless specifically sold with Cyanogen already flashed. Think about it, why are there no Google Editions being sold by carriers? A) No Bloatware. B) Google doesn't jumps through hopes to please the carriers. C) All software must be tested and cleared before being released to any carrier bought device. (Meaning no frequent updates).

          • fonix232

            You speak right, but you forget the pushing force behind the carriers :)

            They will of course never agree - but if a manufacturer decides to make it mandatory that all of their devices are CM-compatible, meaning, the tool works on all of them, a carrier either rolls with them, denies the device, or adds an extra package that will be flashed (their own apps). I could actually see carriers working with CM, testing their prototypes, then agreeing on a final release. CM is always fast with it, and small, device-unrelated bugfixes can always be incorporated without the carriers 50+ developers tearing it into pieces.

            This way everything would be faster. Plus, carriers could give the freedom of choice to their customers (a big plus!), getting more of them, mostly picking up the ones the other carriers (who denied CM availability) scared away.

          • The Calm Critic

            "but if a manufacturer decides to make it mandatory that all of their devices are CM-compatible, meaning, the tool works on all of them,"

            That's a huge "if" buddy if we're to go by say Samsung's track record of giving CM the middle finger at all things Exynos so far.And that was when CM are more than glad to help out for free?

          • Joseph Cascio

            The only manufacturer that has that type of power over the carriers is Apple. Every other manufacturer is held prisoner to the carriers wants. Again why do you think carriers don't sell unlocked bl devices anymore. Now you have to purchase a separate developer device for full retail. This is because carriers won't sell devices that are easily rootable/flashable.

          • The_Chlero

            In that sense, iPhone could NEVER be sold in the states. I think is more about pressure from the manufacturers. Apple since the beginning said their rules and their rules were no changing the experience in ANY Apple product, with Android, because fragmentation, there's not a "union" between manufacturers as they are competing each other.

  • yodatom10

    there's gonna be growing pains. hopefully this is the most painful. its best to get them out of the way early. :(

  • Devorak

    Okap

  • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

    They're shooting themselves in the foot. The way I see it, they should be managing themselves in a democratic manner (using Range or Schulze for voting, take a hint from truly gigantic open source projects such as Fedora and Debian) to avoid conflicts as much as humanly possible.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      I think it's more of a transitional set of issues - it's not something that happens every day when it's business as usual. I imagine when what are big companies now were not companies yet and were just going commercial, a similar fallout occurred. It's impossible to make such a transition without some collateral damage.

      • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

        Open Source projects can suffer from the fork-syndrome and the let's do "everything 100 times slightly differently syndrome" if they can't maintain a feeling of cohesion and a high degree of satisfaction among contributors.

        These kind of projects are the perfect example of what could be trivially run as a cooperative with a modern voting system (preferably range voting).

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

          Unfortunately, when you suddenly introduce a number of people who are now part of a "core" team and, more importantly, another set of people who put significant amounts of cash on the line, the cooperative principles go out the window. What you're describing would be very rare and almost utopian.

          • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

            It's not utopian... Debian and Fedora are run democratically despite the fact they get funded in many different ways, and both Debian and Fedora are way bigger than CM is, way, way bigger (and older).

            Moreover, I hope you know the combined revenue of the biggest 300 cooperatives is around 1.6 trillion dollars, right? (That's bigger than the economy of Canada) XD.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

            Once things calm down and the project (and its members) matures, years down the road, that may very well end up being the case. But there's always bound to be a rift in situations like these. Someone is always going to be left unhappy.

          • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

            I know, I just worry that if they piss off too many contributors CM will ended up being forked, and forked, and forked, I've seen it happen in the Linux community so many times I already lost the count.

          • Scott

            You're talking Linux, the redheaded step child of the computer OS world.

          • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

            Android is a Linux distribution.

          • mgamerz

            See: Nokia employees leaving when Microsoft took over, many other aquisitions

    • PhoenixPath

      Done.

      Conflict avoided and they don't get flamed for taking the work of others.

      All parties involved can now succeed or fail on their own... Without the drama.

    • Brad

      This is just the aftershock of the announcement... people are butthurt that they're not part of the core team... it's like when a manager leaves a business and a bunch of people quit. Same exact thing.

  • Ark

    "Focal will likely transition to the Play Store"

    ...and to complete anonymity and eventual oblivion.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "anonymity."

      • Ark

        I don't think you understand metaphor

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

          I'm pretty sure I do. Do you?

          • Ark

            Sure, I'll explain.

            When I said anonymity I meant going from "The guys that make Focal for CM" to "The guys with one of a million camera apps on the play store".

            See, I used the word as a....metaphor...for going from the spotlight to a position of functional nonexistence to the average user.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

            The word you were looking for is obscurity.

          • http://mrmcpowned.com mrmcpowned

            Kind of ironic how obscure "obscurity" is.

          • drawkcaB

            Props to you for actually catching this one. You make a sharp editor unlike many many publications today.

    • chosen_one1

      Doubt it .. It will be prop show up in one of the other roms as suggested

    • tylerbrainerd

      Anonymity and unknown are not the same thing.

  • my95z34

    I'd be more than happy to have Focal on AOKP!

    • Liam Higgins

      Which is based off of cyanogenmod anyway...

      • my95z34

        Point?

      • PhoenixPath

        Based off AOSP, you mean?

        • Guest

          Nope. AOKP uses cyanogenmod's code as a base for their ROM.

          • http://twitter.com/rohanXm Rohan Mathur

            I mean, I'm on AOKP's team, and we don't use CyanogenMod as the base for our ROM. We only use hardware enablement from CM aside from the random patch here and there, and we take pride in that, as CM is great for hardware enablement - they do it best!

          • PhoenixPath

            They do pull from CM, as do many others, but they are not based on CM.

          • cy_n_ic

            Derp x2...

          • Aymen Fadhel

            Not really. AOKP, Paranoid and most AOSP roms are CM based on Samsung smartphones.

          • cy_n_ic

            You need to do more research. You are grossly misinformed

          • dude

            Samsung fanboys can be relentless.

          • http://GPlus.to/Abhisshack Abhisshack

            Please dont do drug before posting comments

          • Justin

            drugs are fine in moderation.

      • Guest

        Except, you know, its based off AOSP with only hardware enablement + the random patch here and there taken from CM?

        • Liam Higgins

          What's hardware enablement? Do you even know what you're talking about?

          • Krzysztof Jozwik

            Clearly you don't, and you also don't know how to use Google.

          • http://george.merloc.co George Merlocco

            @Liam, Rohan knows exactly what he's talking about. He is a very talented member OF Team Kang / AOKP. In fact, the unofficial FLO (Nexus 7 (2013) WiFi) builds that I've recently released were 'enabled' by him, and before that, CM.

            In the spirit of open source, we use CM's device/hardware trees, but AOSP as a base for the ROM. This has been no secret of ours as devices on AOKP.co proudly recognize it:

          • jeff

            Your ROM is the bomb diggity, BTW.

          • http://GPlus.to/Abhisshack Abhisshack

            but do you !!!???? facepalm

      • cy_n_ic

        Derp...

  • herbivoor

    And so it begins.

  • PhoenixPath

    Smart move. If he wants to stir up drama, fine. Distance him from the brand.

    Excellent bit of damage control.

    Thank you, Steve.

    • chosen_one1

      Stir up Drama.. It stated he was not happy about the licensing that would need to be placed on the app/code. With CM going corporate he either felt he would be left out in the cold and the apk slowly taken away from him or that it would be in his best interest to take his code elsewhere

      • PhoenixPath

        Have you seen wild's posts?

        If he posts here, click his alias and read back in his post history. The moment the Inc. news hit, he went on an immediate tear...

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

          Pretty sure he's been holding it in, it wasn't a sudden outburst or knee-jerk reaction in his case.

          • PhoenixPath

            That's not how i would describe what I saw in the comment thread from the announcement from Steve... but I'm sure I didn't see everything.

            Who knows. All I know is the comments I saw being made...

          • Guillaume ‘XpLoDWilD’

            I was aware of it for some time. It was being discussed for a long time, without finding any compromise, and the drama frustrated Steve who just wanted to stop dealing with it.

            I wrote a post about the full story since Focal development started, to give you exact reasons on why this happened, and why multiple contributors already left: https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs

          • PhoenixPath

            Thanks. Sheds some light on the background. Looks like assumptions and maybe some mis-understandings may have caused a lot of that drama.

            Well, what's done is done, right? I do wish you and the CM team both the best. I've used focal as it came with one of theCM builds I tried out recently and it was an amazing piece of work, so there's definitely that to look forward to in the Play Store if that's your plan going forward.

            Re: CM licensing; not sure what everyone's big gripe is...CMI can make money off of customizations *they* do, but any OEM could still modify the "core" themselves, just as folks like PA and so on can still pull bits from the "core"...so supporting at least the "core" as a full-fledged OSS project still makes sense in my mind.

            Google makes money off of Android...not on AOSP, but because of their services. Sounds to me like CM wants to go the same direction. In my mind that equates the CM core to AOSP. If you philosophically support one, the other should be equal.

            Ok, I'm rambling now....I'll shut up (Yeah. that'll happen...).

            Good luck, everyone. :)

          • jerdog76

            CM licensing is ok as long as they don't violate their CLA as well as the license of the product itself. You can't dual-license it. Period. They wanted to relicense not sublicense and that violates their CLA as well as the license Focal was created under.

            CM wanted to close source it so they could make money from it. Plain and simple.

          • afazel

            Mind if I ask why you didn't decide to join the new company? You could still produce the code with an open source license and get paid for it as well. I realize there are other factors to consider in a change in employment, but I guess that's why my question centers around :)

          • Guillaume ‘XpLoDWilD’

            I did, at first. As mentionned in the story post, they contacted me to get a contract for me, to work with Cyanogen Inc. on Focal. But he declined the offer shortly after, either leaving no news, and then declining by saying "This is too much drama".

          • afazel

            Ah, I must have missed that. Thanks.

          • Brad

            no, but the few I saw made him look like a baby... I understand how much heart goes into a project - but damn!

  • Cherokee4Life

    @xplodwild, I love your app.

    Note to self. Backup the APK for this app so when i install the new nightly I can reinstall this app! :)

    • http://flavors.me/sabret00the sabret00the

      Just done that.

  • http://androidforums.com.br/ Rafael

    Some devs just don't like the idea of incorporating...

  • John Hotdog

    https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_packages_apps_Focal

    Shows the focal app as a GPLv2 application, this gives the option to CM to use its source code, to download it, redistribute and modify it as long they provide the source code and contribute back the changes. If they don't like how he changing the code they can even fork it with that license.
    1)The CM guys just wanted to leave the issue alone and keep the dev happy. The CM Team is above him.
    or
    2)They plan a closed model for their new company, which I doubt.

    • jerdog76

      It's more #2 than #1. The core CM team do not like the GPL. Period. They are not fans of copyleft and the GPL as their own team has said before:

      “Open source gives me a warm fuzzy feeling sometimes. But I still think GPL is lame.”
      Source: http://goo.gl/dvC4SI

      Yes they can modify, redistribute, etc. But they cannot relicense. That's what they wanted to do and they wanted Xplod to CHANGE the license to something that was friendly to their desire to close it up and repackage.

  • https://plus.google.com/108596272537415356460/posts Jason Farrell

    I sure won't miss Focal, for two selfish reasons:
    1) It still doesn't support saving to externalSD like the CM stock camera does.
    2) The only real reason to use Focal was "PicSphere", imo, but it never worked for me (on a SGS3). It was also harder to use (had to tap to take each image vs auto), and was MUCH MUCH MUCH slower than Google's own PhotoSphere when stitching the final sphere (before it crashed).

    • atlouiedog

      I was trying to remember why I tried but didn't use Focal when it first became available. Your post reminded me. It was 1, but I also experienced 2.

    • Andrew Dodd

      Keep in mind that Focal pretty much has barely been touched since mid-late August. And reason 1 was a small contributor to what just happened.

  • shonangreg

    Whether this proves to be only the first falling out, or if more are looming in the future, we can't be sure.

    Don't you mean, "Whether this proves to be a somewhat isolated incident, or if more are looming in the future, we can't be sure." ?

  • Handis

    I am kinda glad. Never liked focal, they should instead improve the aosp camera. Sad that Guillaume is leaving though

  • HolyFreakingCrap

    CyanogenMod trying to do the corporate thing is going to kill the project all together. Steve and Koush got dollar signs in their eyes and that is going to fk up everything else.

    • Mike Reid

      +

      IMO now they will have many of the problems that every "normal business" does.

      I'm surprised at the business move, but that's their prerogative, and more power to them. I might'a done the same and maybe I will'a some day.

      Life goes on, change is normal, and healthy.

      • http://www.toysdiva.com Toys Samurai

        You are saying it like open source projects won't ever have many of the same problems. The fact is, whenever there's something involve more than 1 people, there is a chance drama like this would happen. Sure, there are many successful open source projects that many people contribute, but there are equally that many "normal business" that hire many people.

  • Jadephyre

    Oh joy, just after I decided to finally bump my GNex and N7 to the latest nightlies... could have stuck with 10.1.2 stable, the feature set is almost the same without Focal.

  • LeoN N

    i hope codeworkx doesn't leave CM..xplodwild is already a very big blow

  • Medic583

    Could it also be because FoCal is a software company specilizing in lens calibration for Canon and Nikon cameras?
    Guessing they wouldn't like their name being ripped off by another business?

  • Brian Walker

    Unfortunately, I have to say good riddance to Focal. I really wanted to like it, but I just couldn't bring myself to use it full time. The action to swipe away the preview is the exact motion to delete a photo, and there's no undo. I accidentally got rid of a really awesome picture of my wife and kids because of this, and it made her really sad.

    • Sam Sexton

      Too right, really excited to get my hands on it but it's a burden, it has a poorly designed user experience and I cringe whenever I just want to take a quick photo but cant. Swiping down to view a photo is a terrible idea and goes in the face of an entire generation of interface design.

  • eilegz

    how to get the current focal camera

    • Justin

      get a former milestone RC or nightly, get Titanium and backup the app

  • Sir_Brizz

    This isn't surprising. I expect to see a number of FOSS developers abandon CM after this.

    • Jachym Kokesh Lukes

      ... and users also.

      • http://GPlus.to/Abhisshack Abhisshack

        i abandoned it long before for AOKP and i'm glad that i chose AOKP

        • Hal Motley

          I feel the only way I could abandon CM is to fork it myself and make a ROM of my own from there. I have tried out AOKP and PA, but CM is what I like best.

          • http://GPlus.to/Abhisshack Abhisshack

            Why ? i just want to know what Good thing CM has that AOKP does not have ? never used PA though

  • Dmitry Makovey

    why the drama? code lives by the license. Nobody is changing that. I have not heard of any single developer getting upset with redhat packaging/shipping their software and making money. That is how most OSS licenses work - it's about the freedom of code and less about individual developer. Merging and forking/splitting is ingrained into OSS community nothing to see here, move along.

    • mkln

      and by the way, if I were an early contributor to CM I would now be angry: others will have the chance to profit from their investment while my early investment will go to waste. While it is true that donators shouldn't expect profits from the money they give, I also think they could feel cheated now that CM became a company.
      Think about what a $5 donation to Google in 1998 would be worth today if those $5 were buying you stock into the company.

    • jerdog76

      Sure - however what they were doing was against the license itself.

  • SetiroN

    The real problem is how they handled the incorporation: keeping the community, including most contributors, in the dark, was a dick move that will bite them back in the ass.
    Transparency is key in open source projects.

    • The Calm Critic

      Transparency is key in closed source projects even. To the ones involved at least..

  • Rovex

    I dont see CM lasting long now. A few million downloads doesn't equal 'millions of users', like they think it does, the 2 are not equivalent. Besides a few Million amongst a Billion isnt that much. As soon as the element of money is brought into it people will stop using it.

    • Jachym Kokesh Lukes

      those usage numbers are active devices. If a device doesn't report for 90days, it is removed from stats. http://stats.cyanogenmod.com/

      • Rovex

        Even so its still a tiny number of users using for free. Are they expecting it to increase when its not?

  • Jachym Kokesh Lukes

    If CM goes commercial, I'm moving to other AOSP ROM.

  • Jon E

    Tried it, it didn't work for me so no big loss there.

  • G

    I don't care as much for the loss of focal as I do for the loss of Xplodwild for CM, he is a great developer and the device maintainer of many devices which run on CM. So if I read it right andX plodwild is leaving CM behind: this is a dark day for CM, because they lose a great developer, and also they are on the brink of tumpling over if this is a new trend...

    • Ταξιάρχης

      Propably that means no CM11 for many samsung devices!

  • Pedro Carneiro

    Xplod is addressing the whole issue here: https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs

  • Ταξιάρχης

    Steve Kodnik YOU SUCK, you just destroyed the biggest project. Nbody is going to seriously contribute for free.

  • Sirko Brose

    This is not the first fallout, search for pulserg2 and you will find a nice rant about the behavior of certain developers..

  • aprilius20

    Hmm. I tried Focal but didn't really like it- I'm more than happy enough with my default slow-to-boot Xperia cam and ported HTC One Play Ed cam.

  • eu

    Time to use another ROM

    • Cuvis

      Why?

  • topgun966

    I think its going to get far worse before (if at all) better. One of the main prides of CM was it was a true community based roms. Now that its getting corporate, a lot of commits will just go away. Its sad, I have been around CM since the start contributing to GIT every now and then, but I don't want to work for free if someone else is making a profit.

  • Scott Hendry

    i don't understand why incorporating would cause the developer to leave...

    Stable Paycheck? No thank you. Chance at making big bucks potentially selling CM to phone makers? Nah, I'm good bro.

    Anyone got more insight than me? Maybe it's just the coffee.

    • Cuvis

      Some people are stubborn.

  • Brad

    Eh, good riddance... it was too buggy to use and I didn't like it being forced upon me. Maybe I'll try it later on - but it'll be my choice

  • KingRando

    I'm going to save myself the stress of worrying over this and just go back to stock. Literally the only custom feature I'll miss is the ability to customize the notification bar but I'm sure there's an app for that.

    RIP CM

  • Scott

    Focal sucked anyways.

    • Jachym Kokesh Lukes

      I don't think so. It was just not totally finished/tested.

  • mrjayviper

    Never used it. I've stuck to the normal camera app. Nice and simple

  • drawkcaB

    I wonder how this is going to affect the community. ROMs continually cherry pick from each other will CM still allow that? What about devices that arent officially supported will people still be able to port? Look at the moto defy maintained single-handedly by quarx (who got a nex 7 from xda for his work) he got cm 9 10.1 and 10.2 to the defy along with 7.2 also i believe. Is the the end for the legacy devices?

    • Björn Lundén

      Based on the public statements made so far, the answers would be yes to cherry-picking, yes to ports by people outside either the CM team as a whole or the company and no to "the end for legacy devices".

  • CJ Vanilla

    I wonder when CM asked for $$ donations to get new servers if he had already known he was going to incorporate the org... Just a random thought.

  • Razo_E

    Focal never really worked right on any device I had it installed on. Still, it's sad to see "I'm going home and taking my ball with me" type scenarios.

  • Vetal

    I have been using cm on my nexus 4, 9/19 nightly focal was crashing the camera. Needed a reboot

  • The_Chlero

    to be honest, I dont know why is the upset from the community about this incorporation, i mean, those contributors need some income to eat or maintain their families. Most of the times, as project increase in complexity, they need more time a day to finish they work, leaving them with the choice of working in a job or develop for the community.

  • mydroidhaswood

    I hope PA take him up!

  • Zak Taccardi

    Focal was buggy, an alpha product. I couldn't take a "picsphere" of an apartment I was checking out for a friend because of it. And it ripped through a large portion of my battery because of it.

    I'm glad it's gone. Will they add photosphere back to the stock camera on nexus devices in CM?

  • DopeJam

    They plan to remove root as default? wtf? This was my favorite custom rom...and th eonly I ever used :)

    • Nick

      It is the only way they can get Google's Apps (Read: Play Store) in to their rom with out some questionable work-arounds like have to be done now. It is the right move if they want to continue down the path they're head.

  • didibus

    I hope focal will become a play store app, I'd like to use it on stock. Also, did they go Non For Profit like the Mozilla foundation, or they turned into a for profit company making a forked Android OS?

  • Chris

    Shame to see it go, but currently I'm running another rom that includes focal. When it works, it's stellar. Most of the time though, it just doesn't work. :(
    It's a shame because I really love the app

  • Mladafronta

    I don't give a shite about focal. Never liked it, too bloody comlicated to use it. First thing after installing cm nightly I am remains focal and apollo as they useless for me.

  • Low IQ

    Children play nice!, otherwise no cookies!

  • http://jamick.me/ Jack Micklethwaite

    A shame, but hardly unexpected.

  • Charles Sweeney

    "Whether this proves to be only the first falling out, or if more are looming in the future, we can't be sure." I'm sorry but how are the two different?