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According to Geek.com's Russell Holly, the successor to the Nexus 10 - which will be called the Nexus 10  - will be manufactured by ASUS, not Samsung. Holly bases his belief on information from "multiple sources" and an internal Best Buy inventory listing, a well-known Nexus retail partner. Here's that inventory listing, which has otherwise generic "placeholder" info (aka don't pay attention to the obviously-wrong release date).

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Now, my first thought was "well, this directly contradicts an earlier report from a reliable source," allegedly Google's own Sundar Pichai, as spoken to by the Wall Street Journal's Amir Efrati, who has since left his post at that publication. Here's the tweet, published about two weeks ago.

Call me crazy, but I'm not seeing a lot of room for interpretation there. As of this morning, though, there is apparently lots of room for interpretation.

Why the sudden change of heart 2 weeks after, I don't know, every single major tech publication posted that first tweet as a confirmation that Samsung would be the OEM? It doesn't really matter, because we can now basically toss that earlier rumor out.

Holly's track record with upcoming Android features and hardware has generally been pretty spot-on, so I'm not too inclined to skepticism here. It makes sense, after all, given the wide success of the ASUS-made Nexus 7, and the continued Google / ASUS partnership on the new Nexus 7, unveiled late last month.

Also, given some of the issues that continue to plague the Exynos 5-powered Nexus 10, the most notorious being random reboots, Google may not be feeling another Samsung partnership right now.

Holly says we can expect the device in time for the holidays, on the Play Store and at Best Buy. No details about the hardware itself were revealed.

Geek.com

David Ruddock
David's phone is whatever is currently sitting on his desk. He is an avid writer, and enjoys playing devil's advocate in editorials, and reviewing the latest phones and gadgets. He also doesn't usually write such boring sentences.

  • Nasko Hristov

    I hope Sammy to make the next nexus phone or Motorola in both ways better quality...like HTC One.

    • http://deviatedefiant.com/ Ralph Leo Bennett

      I for one definitely want to see HTC making Nexus devices again, definitely had the best experience with their hardware in the past. Sony would be great to see after the latest Xperias but unlikely at this point.

      I think there's little to no chance of it being Samsung this time round, Google doesn't want to add to their already insane market share in the android ecosystem. As for Motorola? Too soon, they're still trying to maintain a distance.

      • Greyhame

        Too soon? I don't know, it'll be over two years come the end of this year. How long should they have to wait? I think Google's ownership of Motorola makes it inevitable. And the timing would be perfect for those of us who went from OG Droid -> Galaxy Nexus and are awaiting their contracts to be up.

        I agree, it would be great to see an HTC Nexus again. A Nexus One redo. Makes sense even. But sometimes I wonder how good of an idea that is for the OEMs... manufacturing a brand new device for a company that isn't you, and that most likely won't be a big seller, doesn't exactly sound like a fantastic business decision. Samsung has the resources to do so. LG does as well (and they of course have to do everything that Samsung does). But for HTC, I think it's just easier for them to throw a stock ROM on their existing devices and call it a day.

        But Motorola.... different story altogether. Sure Google wants them to operate independently, but they're still the parent company. I.e., Google will obviously have some say in what Motorola does.

  • Jerry Gooch

    I owned the Asus TF200 back in the day. Even with its flaws it was a great tablet. I would be very pleased with a Nexus 10 produced by Asus.

    • Nick Klenchik

      I still do :P

  • andy_o

    Of course a google search of "X device problems" will turn up any kind of crap about any product. More specifics, maybe? I'll start, the FREAKING freeze/reboot issue! Hopefully this is addressed on 4.3, seen some anecdotes that it is "improved", but nothing too convincing.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      You mean the freeze / reboot issue I mention literally several words after the link?

      • andy_o

        Goddamn hope no one checks out my posting history calling out people who didn't read. Honest mistake, promise! But any word on it being fixed on 4.3?

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

          I think Google has claimed to have made "improvements" to prevent this behavior in every single Android update for the N10.

        • mustbepbs

          Honestly, 4.3 made the N10 worse for me. Instead of the memory leak that prevented you from multitasking at all after a few hours/days, now it closes apps way too aggressively. 4.3 also made my N10 super slow. Aggravating to say the least, especially when people say the "fix" is to wipe the tablet out. Some "fix".

          • Greyhame

            Ouch. Shocking that Google isn't tripping all over themselves to fix this flagship device.

          • mustbepbs

            It's weird, because the new N7 is amazing. I was literally jealous of my wife seeing her use it and how fast and fluid it was while I was sitting there stuttering around on my N10.

        • jordanjay29

          !@#$, andy_o, read the damn post, will ya?

          There, I think you're even. ;)

    • http://www.modminecraft.com/ Nick Coad

      It's weird - I keep seeing all these complaints (and I believe them because they're all very similar) but I must be the luckiest son of a bitch in the world, because my experience with the Nexus 10 has been flawless.

      • andy_o

        It seems to be exacerbated by Chrome, both "stable" and beta, but I still get them occasionally, after the N10 has been up for a couple of days. I suspect it's a graphics driver thing or some such...

  • DanSan

    oh yea because i believe every screenshot of best buys RSS system to be 100% true ....

    /s

    • jordanjay29

      Look at that angle, it's clearly a photo of the screen of a CRT monitor. That's totally legit. ;)

  • wideopn11

    For the love of Android, Please let it have front facing speakers!

    • The Calm Critic

      If anyone ask me, anything over 5" these days should get front facing speakers.

      • Frekko

        whats wrong with 4" ? why not those

        • someone755

          Because then they'll have the body of a 5-incher but the screen will be 4-inch.
          If anyone asks me, when did speakers on the back become so bad? Every phone until the HTC One has had them on the back, and now suddenly everyone's going crazy about that.

          • Justin W

            Because it just makes sense. Why have speakers facing away from you when the bezels on the front are generally already big enough to hold them anyway? On top of that, HTC did it wrong in that they made their device much taller than they needed it to be. They could have fit a 5" screen on their device easily (using on-screen keys) and still had room for the front-facing speakers.

            While others may have done it before, HTC's the first to push it on their flagship smartphone. Tablets should always have them on the front since they generally have massive bezels anyway.

          • Brandon Watkins

            Cough cough, nexus 7 (2013)!

          • The Calm Critic

            Well I use an S II GT-I9100G w/ the standard S II single back loudspeaker setup that's just horrendous even compared to a lower segmented Sony Ericsson Live http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_live_with_walkman-4111.php ~ trust me I already did a personal side by side, lengthy comparison listening test. The Live blew me off my left sock. Not necessarily audiophile standards of course but I kid you not at better clarity for loudness levels.

            Point is no one is saying that any (arguable) acceptably priced phablets (OK above 5" smartphones can?) w/ single speaker makes for a de facto deal breaker just that for the asking price it shouldn't be any crappier than a friggin' SE Live fcol.

  • Humberto Hernandez

    Amazon please =(

  • bolehland

    If Qualcomm are going to be an issue like with the new Nexus 7 with the device binaries, I hope it's going to be back again on Nvidia processors then.

    • Hans Pedersen

      Does the Tegra 4 work without active cooling? I noticed it is needed in that gamepad thingy, or maybe that's just because it's overclocked there?

      • bolehland

        The upcoming Asus Transformer also apparently is Tegra 4 and doesn't have active cooling.

      • Cory_S

        The Shield only has active cooling because it is designed to game for hours on end without throttling. Tablets and phones have never been meant for that.

    • Matthew Fry

      The only reason Qualcomm is used so frequently is because they have LTE support on the SoC. If the new Nexus 10 (which is listed here as Wifi) doesn't need LTE, they could use NVIDIA or even Intel.

      • bolehland

        Then they'd have to use a seperate LTE chip like Apple does (Qualcomm modem paired with an A4/A5 chip in Apple's case).

        The issue here is Qualcomm appears to be open source friendly, but doesn't play ball with Adreno drivers which apparently is the case with both the new N7 and the old N1.

        • Matthew Fry

          Yes. But if you are trying to make a tablet that doesn't cost 500 dollars you need to cut costs and the added value of the Qualcomm LTE on board is apparently enough to sway them.

        • The Werewolf

          Reading skills are useful.

          "If the new Nexus 10 (which is listed here as Wifi) doesn't need LTE, they could use NVIDIA or even Intel."
          So it *wouldn't* use a separate LTE chip since it wouldn't have LTE. They could do what Samsung does - use one chipset in the WiFi only model and the other in the LTE version.

      • dalingrin

        Qualcomm still can't be beat in real world performance/watt by any other SoC regardless of LTE.

      • EH101

        I honestly hope for an Intel based Nexus device soon. Not that I like Intel over any other company, but I think the variety would be great for consumers (maybe not for developers) and maybe having Intel x86 specific optimizations in AOSP will help android move into the desktop/laptop arena.

        • Justin W

          I think it would also be good for developers (especially in a Nexus device), since it would help them in giving that device compatibility as well as optimizing it for that hardware.

          • EH101

            You're probably right; I was thinking along the lines of completely different architecture requiring code changes to make apps run correctly/smoothly, but I really don't know how a move to x86 would affect applications.

      • Mike Reid

        LTE is not the only reason for Qualcomm.

        Qualcomm was pretty darn popular before their SOCs had LTE.

        Overall, Qualcomm has many things going well for them; it's the whole integration picture.

  • Kenny O

    If this is true.
    Asus, Please make a keyboard dock for it.
    Google, please make said dock available at launch.

    • Cory_S

      It be against the spirit of a Nexus device to have accessories available at launch.

      • yuppers

        They have to come out like 6 months after the device is launched and only after a bunch of third party products are already in the market.

  • http://www.binarytuberculosis.com BinaryTB

    Front facing speakers and non-Tegra and I'll buy the new Nexus 10 as well! (currently loving my Nexus 10 2012).

    Bonus points if they release a "smart" cover for it or any cover UPON RELEASE. I'm currently using a Poetic Slimline and it's perfect. Has the iPad-like folds with magnets, exactly what I need, it just took a couple months post-release to get it though for the current Nexus 10.

    • someone755

      Non-Tegra? That leaves with what, Qualcomm? Maybe you aren't concerned that Qualcomm don't like releasing binaries, and thus factory images for Nexus devices? Hmmm... Interesting...

      • http://www.binarytuberculosis.com BinaryTB

        The current Nexus 10 is running Exynos, I'd be OK with that, it runs the tablet beautifully. I'm just not a fan of Tegra-only games and the fact that some apps/players can't use Tegra acceleration right away or at all (e.g. DraStic emulator).

        • someone755

          AFAIK ASUS would never buy anything from Samsung. The T4 would also run beautifully, only better. If you refuse a better spec sheet because sone app developers don't support it, then...

          • Justin W

            .... tell those app developers to fix the problem! @BinaryTB:disqus :)

      • Matthew Gardner
        • someone755

          Oh, I see. You're not worried by the fact that Qualcomm have already been jerks with not one, not two, but three Nexus devices.

    • Justin W

      I'd love to have another Tegra device (especially if it has T4). My N7 ran beautifully while I had it, and I loved the tegra-exclusive games (but I wish they weren't exclusive).

  • Matthew Fry

    That's all well and good except we've never found evidence of a Samsung issue. We've (not Google) identified a bug in their Location Service (which we got Google to fix) and we've (not Google) identified a bug in the Mali driver (which we got ARM to fix). If they want to distance themselves from the first Nexus 10 by using a different manufacturer, power to them. As far as the Nexus 10 users are concerned, our hardware was never faulty.

    • Matthew Fry

      Also, thank you David for mentioning the prevalent Nexus 10 issues. It sure feels like nobody cares.

  • Frekko

    I want a Asus Nexus 10 and Moto Nexus 5 both with front face speakers and min 32Gb memory. PS it would be pleasant if google integrate The Always on voice feature in Nexus 5.

    • https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=iWizard Bikram Agarwal

      Agree with everything other than always on.

      • JonJJon

        Ditto, don't want always on here either.

    • exynos5450

      While that would be nice. The 32gb being the minimum seems a little bit of wishful thinking. Google likes to push you to its cloud services by providing devices with small internal storage.

    • freakism

      I'm kind of thinking that the always on voice feature won't be wide spread across android just yet. Google Now works English only. This makes me think that this is one the reasons Moto X is US only. But what do I know, just guessing...

      • Frekko

        English is a world wide known language. It is not the problem

        • freakism

          Yes. But to use Google Nows voice feature, you have to switch between languages. Tried it myself , went back to Finnish cause I need it more.

        • someone755

          It is a problem. You're somewhere outside and you start yelling English into your phone in Albania. Or Russia. Or Kazahstan. Or I don't know, South Korea.

      • John O’Connor

        It is available "in the America's only" also known as the entire Western Hemisphere (North, South and Central Americas) and they certainly do not all speak english natively.

        • freakism

          That of course makes a big hole into my theory:)

          • John O’Connor

            Hot Dog down a hallway?

          • freakism

            Plate's always empty when I arrive.

  • hp420

    if it's made by asus, that means a qualcomm chip and yet more issues with factory images!! get ready for the sh!t storm, people!

    • Matthew Fry

      AFAIK every Asus tablet has used a Tegra chipset. I will say this again, the reason LTE enabled devices use Qualcomm is because they are the only ones with LTE on board. There have been a few non-Qualcomm LTE devices but they've required a secondary chip for the LTE.

      • someone755

        Every? Do you even 2013 Nexus 7? :3
        Or perhaps BOTH PadPhones, or whatever they're calling the phone/tablet transformer...? Or maybe every tablet that isn't from the EeePad or the MeMo Pad line?

        • Matthew Fry

          My mistake. My point was that every Non-LTE Asus tablet that I know of is *not* Qualcomm. The padfone doesn't count cause it's a phone.

          • someone755

            Yeah, well ASUS only uses 2 different manufacturers for chips, and those are Qualcomm and NVidia. And since no Tegra SoC actually had an LTE chip (HTC put an extra chip inside the One X+), ASUS never bothered to include one.
            What about the FonePad? :P

          • Justin W

            Um... The 2013 MeMoPad 7" HD uses a MediaTek.... So there's that. Now we have 3 potential options for the Nexus 10, and just to narrow it down, the device probably won't have MediaTek, and unless nVidia gets an integrated LTE modem working with their full-powered Tegra 4 (not the 4i),then I doubt Google will go with that.

            We also can't forget OpenGL 3.0 support - the Tegra 4 doesn't have that yet either, which was a big part of the 4.3 upgrade (it probably wouldn't matter if it wasn't a Nexus device, but it is, so it does). We are likely looking at Qualcomm again, possibly a dual core with two Krait 400 cores (possibly a quad-core with 4 of those cores, but I doubt it will be a full-blown Snapdragon 800 due to the cost).

          • someone755

            I thought 4.3 brought OpenGL to every device. So that would make the T4 compatible.
            MediaTek, nope. Google would never do that. So what if they take the T4, how much does an LTE chip cost anyways? And I thought the T4 had an LTE chip...?
            S800, nope. They couldn't even do that with the new 7.
            I'd say either T4i or a Qualcomm S600, maybe an S4 Pro (like in the 7). (BTW, did you know that the new N7 actually comes with an S600 processor? Wikipedia says so)

          • Justin W

            The new N7 is a tuned-down S600 (lower clock, lower bin), so it doesn't "qualify" for an S600 moniker. 4.3 does bring OpenGL support, but only to those devices that support it (the Adreno 320 graphics chip supports it, the Tegra 4's graphics chip does not). The LTE chip actually can cost quite a bit (and has a negative effect on battery life). The Tegra 4i does have an LTE chip it ships "with", but it's not integrated like the Qualcomm LTE chip is.

    • Frekko

      factory images are already out

      • hp420

        Yeah, that was a quick damage control action, IMO. The execs saw JBQ's rage fit on twitter and they knew they had to do something....that's most likely the reason he tweeted what he did. He knew it would force them to take action, and he had nothing to worry about since he had just resigned.

  • androo

    Please Google don't play Apple and bring back a micro sd slot !

    • someone755

      NO! Please, Google, DON'T!
      There are reasons they don't use those. And I think they justify it well.

      • NEXI or NEXUSES

        I agree, I've had so many issues with Micro SD cards it's ridiculous. Not long ago my 32GB card bit the dust, not even a year after purchase. I think I'll stick to devices with a high on board storage from now on.

      • The Werewolf

        Ok.. seriously - how to you rationalize that logic?
        If it's there and you don't want to use it - assuming it doesn't add much to the price - then how does it even *affect* you? You just don't use it.
        On the other hand, for those of us who think it's absolutely essential, we discard this choice because it's not there.
        The best compromise is to put it behind a hatch on the back or do what Samsung does - have it recessed with a flush plug. Don't pull out the plug and you won't even know it's there.
        Seriously - people who argue they don't need or like a feature so it should be removed from a device - unless it lowers the cost significantly or makes their use of the device impossible to do - really need to get a grip.

        • dli7319

          exFat tax to microsoft

          • yuppers

            Also AOSP wasn't designed with an external SD component in mind

        • Floss

          It does lower the cost of the device, and as a developer I'm tired of dealing with problems that arise from crappy slow SD cards.

        • Justin W

          The most expensive piece of a device typically costs around $20-$30, with everything else under that. That means what's cheap to you and me could potentially reduce the cost of the device significantly. On top of that, there are taxes and fees and what-not you have to pay for licensing a file-system like that.

          • John O’Connor

            My thought on the entire thing (I am pro-removable storage myself but don't mind this if the device has a reasonable amount of built-in storage to begin with and most have not until recently)

            Licensing concerns are not necessarily an issue if you use another type of filesystem (which you can code into the android kernel to maintain plug n play capability.) Google could also place minimal specs for supported memory types (and not necessarily proprietary like Sony has done in the past) to make this a viable option if they choose to keep devices on the low end of capacity.

            8GB or 16GB certainly do not cut it as technology moves forward. If they want to do without external storage capabilities they should look toward a 32GB minimum option considering any OS, OEM or carrier overhead that reduces available space substantially. I have had a hard time with my Note 2 because of limited memory after all of the overhead (10-12GB if lucky) before actually placing programs and their associated data onto my device.

            Some may say that is overkill because Google is pushing for "the cloud" which I hate to break to anybody is not necessarily ubiquitous yet in addition to the inherent problems of data cache (google play music, videos, tv, books, etc) taking up more precious resources on the device. Once you start utilizing your smartphone for more than just "the basics" you will quickly run out of storage. I have cut back substantially on what is kept on any of my limited memory devices because of this problem (not to mention the system slowdowns when you start reaching 10-15% space available)

      • Justin W

        I'm amazed at the number of people that agree with this... I haven't used a Micro SD slot since I had my bionic last year and I could care less if a new phone has one (I use a lot of cloud storage anyway, so it doesn't make a difference to me), but I still am surprised you weren't downvoted into oblivion.

        • someone755

          Same, but I always buy 32GB devices, so almost no cloud is needed. And yeah, I thought I'd have -100 votes by now.

    • Anfronie

      If they stop making SD card slots then they need to make 32 GB the minimum for internal storage!

  • Gaurav Ganoo

    Did anyone check the "Street Date" or "Out of Stock date" in this photograph?? both of em are old! Typo??

    • CA719

      Did you even read the article?

      >Here's that inventory listing, which has otherwise generic "placeholder" info (aka don't pay attention to the obviously-wrong release date).

  • someone755

    Yay! I've been waiting for this! A relatively cheap, yet powerful 10-ich tablet by ASUS! (I love Asus's tablets and PCs, I just do.)
    I wonder if the display's getting upped and if it'll have a Tegra 4! Though I'd live with an Adreno 330 GPU ;)

    • Nomaan

      The cpu in tegra 3 might be good but IMHO the GPU was horrible.

      When I ran some gameloft and glu games on HTC ONE X and Exynos GS2(mali400mp4) and a Adreno 220 device , the framerate on T3 was much lower than the gs2 and adreno 220 phone. Also I found out that some games uses lower quality graphics on t3 to keep the game playable. Most gameloft games had extra light effects, lensflare, havok engine, ragdoll effects disabled on one X while more was enabled on adreno 220 and everything was enabled on GS2. Even with so much disabled T3 had lower framerate than "every effect enabled" GS2.

      And for THD games, i modified some game files and/or used chainfire on gs2 and adreno device to enable the extra effects and they played those game at much better fps than t3.

      • someone755

        Hmm, I too tried with a GS2 and an Xperia S (720p screen). The Nexus won, but in the 3DMARK benchmark, the Sony won by a couple of points.
        Put Franco.kernel there, OC thhe GPU to 700MHz and the T3 is a beast.
        And yes, CF3D's plugins do enable some effects.
        NVidia has a strategy to make some games only available to it's chipsets, so that people would buy devices with those chipsets, even though other SoCs can run those games. Can't blame them.

        • Nomaan

          but then again Mali 400 mp4 can be overclocked...

          • someone755

            Yes, and I tested with both stock clock values and overclocked. The T3 won the OC round, but it lost by a few points to the Adreno 220 in the UC round. The MP4 couldn't come close to neither. At least that's my tests...

  • Hans Pedersen

    I guess this is great news at least for the buyers. ASUS seems to be more willing to compete on prices than Samsung. Though, I'm not entirely sure if it's great news for the ecosystem in the long run. other 3rd party manufacturers might lose interest in releasing Android tablets if there's no profit to be made.

  • deltatux

    Please ASUS, don't f**k it up like you did with my tablet, the TF201...

  • Phill_S

    Given the problems of both Nexus 7s and past issues with the Transformers - should people actually be excited about this?

    Edit, I skimmed like an idiot so will edit to hide my idiocy, no one will ever know...

  • The Werewolf

    You mean issues like the GPS failures happening on the ASUS N7 2013?

  • Nick

    Asus' N7's have had LTE support... I hope this is a sign LTE will make it to the N10 this go around. Also hoping we don't take a downgrade on the beautiful screen.

  • JazzEspresso

    Asus + Google + Nexus 10 = Perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Guest

    I know hearsay isn't worth a lot, but a coworker who has friends at Google had a test unit at his house last night. Was able to confirm that the manufacturer is Asus.

    Take it with a grain of salt if you must, but between this report and the word of a friend, I'm convinced.

  • Adrian Meredith

    damn was hoping this would use the new exynos with the mali t628

  • HellG

    The only reason google went with samsung was because of that screen, now that asus has a similar one that will debut with its new high-end tablet line up, there's no reason to go with samsung, anyone who had a nexus 10 must know about all the defects that screen had anyway, it would be a huge mistake to go with samsung again

  • mjku

    I had the random reboots, mostly when using Chrome, but ever since updating to 4.3 I've yet to run into a random reboot (it'd happen every 1-3 days previously). I don't want to get my hopes up, but I'm crossing my fingers.

  • Majdy Abu Sondos

    please take a look at the in stock and out of stock dates, it reads:

    01/01/2013 - 01/02/2013 !!!

    so this is obviously an error made by the whoever was filling this information,, he was filling information to get the nexus 10 to get it back to inventory and so ignorance that he doesn't know by what oem it was made!!!! plz don't make a big fuzz out of nothing