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Update: Well, it seems someone at Google was a bit confused, as LTE has been added back to the European specification of the new Nexus 7, including band 20. Crisis averted.

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The last generation of Nexus devices was stuck with HSPA+ mobile data, but with the new N7 Google has stepped into the 4G world. However, it seems like that world may be smaller than we previously thought. The specification page for the Nexus 7 has been tweaked to remove LTE bands from the European version, leaving it with only HSPA+. The US variant still lists both LTE and HSPA+.

2013-07-29 11_10_40-Nexus 7 - Google

Google has never publicly discussed the European Nexus 7 with LTE, but the specification page did list LTE 1/2/3/4/5/7/20 until recently. Even at the event Google only mentioned US support for LTE. When the specs went up online, many took that as confirmation of a Euro LTE model. Perhaps that was just a mistake on Google's part.

According to the specs currently listed, the US model will have support for LTE bands 1/2/3/4/5/13/17, which will link up with AT&T, T-Mobile, or Verizon LTE networks. Both the US and EU Nexus 7 will have HSPA+ 1/2/4/5/8. We've reached out to Google for comment. We will update if we hear anything back.

[Nexus 7 specs via Mobiflip]

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  • http://www.Nave360.com Sebastian Gorgon

    I bet it will still cost more after price conversion. Google Logic.

    • Muhammad Zohaib Rizwani

      Nope its Rip off Britian logic, every company does this -__-

      • Hans Pedersen

        It's called: One country posts prises including VAT another posts them without. Deduct taxes and small fees for translations and additional certifications, and you'll find that prices are fairly equal.

        Though, I think it's a bit odd that they're not enabling LTE. The Snapdragon S4 Pro supports European/global LTE bands as far as I remember.

        • ProductFRED

          Yes, but it's not necessarily a matter of support. It could be [lack of] certification by the government (whatever is the equivalent of the FCC).

          • Ryan Stewart

            This would be my guess. Its the same reason support for cloud services, for pay services, etc are always staggered roll-outs. Google Books didnt take 2 years to get to India because Google hates Indians, its probably because regulations in the US and contracts negotiated with content creators in the US dont apply to India and it took 2 years to work through those same things in India.

            International business and magnets, how do they work?

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      You know, I get a little miffed when I hear people complain about this, because it's not as simple as 199 EUR != $229, or 199 GBP != $229. There are actual economics to consider.

      Some companies really do use the exchange rate to screw people, but oftentimes, it's just not that simple. Selling any product in multiple countries results in different overhead for each of those countries, especially around tax / shipping / import duties / tariffs / regulatory compliance etc.

      If you're a business, do you make all of your customers pay for the cost of sending that product to other countries and price equally worldwide around a rough exchange rate, or do you price it regionally? Most companies choose the latter, because it leads to better sales in markets where the cost of selling the product is lower, while still remaining competitive in markets where the cost of doing business is higher.

      Would it be nice if Google sold the Nexus 7 for 150 GBP (roughly $230) in the UK instead of 200 GBP? Yes. Is that ever going to happen? Hell no.

      • http://mwinter.in/ Yan Gabriel Minário

        I'm not going to complain about my country but... this doesn't apply to my country. Sometimes it is cheaper travel to USA and buy the damn gadget than just buy it here. How do you explain the fact that a personal import of a single product is going to be cheaper than large amounts of this product being imported by one big name (basically this happens more with cars and Apple sheet).
        Google said that he wasn't selling subsided its products on Play Store, instead, was selling without lucre. That explains a lot the price outside Play Store, because people who buy outside it is going to pay for people that bought on Play Store. Very similar to what happens with the car industries, they assumedly said that sell at larger margins at emerging countries (more specifically, Brazil) than they do at Europe and USA.
        This is how they make money, and seems like El Goog is following they.
        PS: Sorry for my poor grammar, English isn't my native language and learnt English by myself on the internet.

        • Ryan Stewart

          VALUE ADDED TAX/IMPORT TAX.

          Its a pretty simple concept. You, crossing the border, are not paying any middleman or regulatory fees. It would be the same reason that people cross the border here for booze and viagra, they can bypass all of those laws and taxes and get it cheap. It doesn't automatically mean the producer is screwing people in any given nation.

          And many nations have protectionist policies in place that make things made in other countries to be horribly expensive.

          • Guest

            Actually, we pay taxes if the purchases are above X USD when we travel. My point still valid.

          • http://mwinter.in/ Yan Gabriel Minário

            And, if you look very close, you will see that the New Nexus 7 isn't made in USA, so it is going to pay taxes even to be sold in the USA.

          • Ryan Stewart

            But we dont have the same protectionist taxes that many other nations have (which many argue is why nothing is made here). Its the reason we have had this huge increase on stuff coming in from China, we dont tax it to make it expensive so its always going to be cheaper.

          • http://mwinter.in/ Yan Gabriel Minário

            Watch this video (it has captions) and you will understand better what I'm trying to say. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvzk5W4Df_Y

      • Roberto Giunta

        Well, it's definitely not 'shipping' because I don't think that shipping from China to the USA is that much cheaper than shipping to Europe.

        In the EU we have the CE certificate that can costs 'only' a few thousand Euro (most I read were in the 1500 - 3000 Euro price range) and you have to do that only once per SKU, I guess. Divided by the number of devices Google sells that's nearly nothing. Otherwise I don't know of any certificate you have to have in Europe, at least that certificate is what makes usually problems with shipping certain electronics into Europe (Ouya and Pebble had problems with it).

        What I could see you have to pay a maximum amount of ~9% of sales tax on your stuff, depending on in which state you live but overall I can't really see how you can justify a high price like that. I mean, years ago nobody knew what prices were in the US but thanks to the internet, we can find out and give crap to some companies - but seeing how the masses don't complain it doesn't seem to be that much of a problem.

      • Toblerone

        Does this apply to the Nexus 7? Where is the Nexus 7 manufactured? Asus have their manufacturing facilities in Taiwan, China, Mexico and the Czech Republic (Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus#Operations). And I believe the shipping would be about the same to Europe and USA.

      • ahem

        Right. They need that extra money to build nets at their factories to prevent over-stressed workers from killing themselves.

    • goldilocks

      Very simple economics: the Nexus 7 is not a commodity good and therefore its price point at any location will be entirely divorced from its production cost. And if they believe that they can employ price discrimination to increase long-term profit, why wouldn't they do so?

      Google is a business which means that it is always going to act in a way that maximizes its profit. That's not only because you, me, and everyone else likes to get paid as much as they (legally) can, but also because as a publicly-held company, Google has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize its value.

  • Redspeed93

    No LTE for EU? Well, guess I'm not getting a Nexus 7...

    • Stylus_XL

      Yeah, me neither - overpriced super-fast broadband paired with a paltry data cap is an essential combination for me.

      • Sam

        Who doesn't love paying £40 a month for 500MB 4G instead of £12 a month for unlimited HSPA+?

        • Daniel

          Use Three UK.

        • jurrabi

          Nice. No unlimited options here in Spain.

          Max 3GB/month for new 4G plans (and this the biggest ever provided).

          Just shit. Why would I want a plan that can be consumed in 5 minutes...

      • Redspeed93

        None of those problems exists in Denmark, where I live. You can easily get 20GB of traffic a month for less than £25/$35/€27. On my phone I have 10GB a month for £16/$25/€19.

    • http://dabuxian.com/ Dabu

      Yeah, I'm considering iPad mini at this point. Not only because of working LTE in EU, but also how much struggle Google has with adding Play Store content in Europe, while Apple supports everything except TV shows. Usually I prefer Android, but what's the point of a tablet without access to movies or magazines... so I guess N7 isn't for me, shame.

  • Josh Phillips

    Would the US LTE version work on an LTE network in the UK? If so, I'll just ship one to my dad over there. He was really looking forward to it...

  • Simon Lightfoot

    The EE Network (T-Mobile UK and Orange UK) uses band LTE Band 3 according to the Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks Which should mean the US LTE version will work in the UK.

    • Chris Nicholls

      Exact same question i was about to ask, i hope so i have just sold my old N7 on Ebay for £150 towards this bad boy

    • Mikkel Poulsen

      Just by scrolling down the list almost all the countries listed on that page have LTE band 3 with at least one carrier.

  • Matt Sokolinski

    http://www.asus.com/Tablets_Mobile/Nexus_7_2013/#specifications this spec sheet says something different

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      It does, but Google specifically changed its own product page in a way that now contradicts what is an older ASUS page. Also, I'll trust Google before I do ASUS - Google is the one actually selling the product and making representations to consumers.

      It's probably safe to say there are / were plans to sell an LTE variant in the EU, but that based on what the Play Store says, this may have changed. We're still waiting to hear back from Google, too.

      • Kenton Douglas
        • PrinterElf

          I couldn't give two hoots about 4G as long as there's a mobile radio in it, which none of the others have!

          • Kenton Douglas

            Couldn't agree more.

      • Swedish turnip

        Atleast here in sweden google doesnt sell any nexus devices at all. The nexus is listed on asus swedish homepage, and warrany repairs etc mean you send it to asus, not google. So atleast here i would say i would trust Asus before google.

  • Nasser

    There will be an LTE EU model. However, I believe they removed the specifications from the US page because the US model when used abroad LTE connection would not work since US uses different bands than Europe and only HSPA+ would work.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Not exactly ringing true for me. Band 20 support is necessary in a lot of mainland Europe for LTE, but Band 3 and a couple others are also used in other places in the EU. I see what you're saying, though, and maybe Google is just being careful with what they promise.

  • NathanDrago

    Am I the only one that doesn't care the slightest? LTE is not that big deal. HSDPA is more than enough for my everyday needs. I actually am always in 3G to save battery.

  • Alex Stansfield

    Don't care about LTE as it's stupidly expensive, do care when this will be available in the UK.

  • RealTNT

    Although I'm sure there are going to be people that need mobile internet and fewer that actually need 4G, personally, I don't want to have another monthly payment for a data plan, especially when, at least in the UK, you have open WiFi networks at almost every coffee shop, supermarket, fast food, pub and even at my local golf club! For the odd occasion that I don't have access to open WiFi my Nexus 4's tethering works just fine with my unlimited data connection.

    Plus, the WiFi-only model will be available here sooner! ;-)

  • ins0mn1a

    i would guess google figured that at this point supporting LTE in europe is not worth it, since the LTE there is underdeveloped and expensive. not a terribly big problem i would say since hspa+ in europe is generally more than adequate. the way i understand it this is also the reason for slow LTE deployment, there is just no burning need for it, yet. they'll get to it in a year or two i guess.

    • Daniel

      It's nice to be future proof.

    • LTEnerd

      The "European" LTE version doesn't just work in Europe. It covers Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, and some networks in South America - all places the US version doesn't.

      In fact, it also works most of the networks the US version works with the following exceptions: AT&T, Verizon, some smaller regional US carriers and Bolivia (Uzbekistan is a special case where the US version works on on band and the EU version works on the other). Since the European does work on T-Mobile US (neither works on Sprint), you could easily make a case that it has a much larger potential market than the US one.

      Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks

  • marijan stojcevski

    So in short, HSPA+ 84 Mbit download and 10.8 Mbit upload, is now considered slow? :D

    Dear god...

  • wfq

    Now the Google fanboys will tell us, "Its a licencing and regulation issue. Please be patient".

  • Adkl

    This is keeping in line with Google's f*** the rest of the world policy.

  • Chev Chelios

    The LTE option is back. They probably just updated it to be more precise and listed the frequency bands. It now says...
    GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
    HSPA+: 850/900/1900/2100/1700/2100(AWS) MHz (Bands: 1/2/4/5/8)
    LTE: 800/850/1700/1800/1900/2100/2600 MHz (Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/20)

  • Squirt

    The LTE option for EU is back. Google was just updating their website... chill!

  • devoncatt

    Too much tech seems US centric and ignores the rest of the world. Why no EU 4G LTE?

  • Jace Cole

    It supports the bands that work in EU , doesn't mean it won't work!

  • Nasser

    The specs were updated. They returned EU LTE.

  • jurrabi

    For me that could have been a buying factor, since 4G is just getting started in Spain and I don't have any compliant device.

    But I guess google doesn't want me to buy it, again...