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The new Nexus 7 does not support Google Wallet - officially. Why? It lacks the hardware component necessary to securely store your payment credentials for NFC transactions, aka the "secure element." The AT&T and Google Play Edition HTC Ones don't have this element, either.

The latter, to me, is something I can understand finding a bit annoying. The former, though - that being the new Nexus 7 - really isn't. Granted, I do not own a new Nexus 7 or a Google Play Edition HTC One, nor am I anything close to Google Wallet's biggest fan. In fact, I've only ever even tried to use it once, and it didn't work, and so I never bothered with it again. But I can see that, on a phone, Wallet at least makes sense as an additional feature. You carry your phone with you at all times, like your wallet. But your tablet? I'm sure some people have a tablet with them every single day for most of the day, but let's be realistic: that is absolutely a minority. And I'm guessing those same people also carry smartphones.

But there is significant anger being expressed about a Wallet-less Nexus 7. The argument seem to boil down to "if this is a Nexus device, it should have Wallet - period." It really doesn't seem to be a matter of making a case for Wallet on the Nexus 7, but a simple sentiment that if Google develops a product or feature that works with Android, a Nexus device should have it, regardless of the usefulness of said product or feature on that device. I think this is reactionary.

Would I have rather have a Nexus 7 with Wallet than one without it? Sure, I guess. Let me explain the flaw with this line of thinking, though. Would you rather your car have 4 cupholders instead of 3? Well, obviously. Would you rather your small laptop have a CD drive than not? Of course. Would you rather your phone have two SIM slots instead of just one? Sure, why not? I think you may see where I'm going: with every product, the designers and engineers have to have a point at which they say "OK, we're not adding anything else." And the secure element was on the wrong side of that chopping block when the new Nexus 7 was finalized.

We don't know why that is, exactly, but there are two pretty good guesses we can make. First, Google simply decided it was not worth the added cost or complexity when weighed against what is likely near-zero usage of Wallet on the current Nexus 7. Let's be realistic: how many people have you ever seen paying with Google Wallet - not counting yourself - using a tablet? I'm sure one or two of you have, but you get the gist: it's a niche within a niche within a niche. Why add to the cost of the device to include a feature that almost no one is going to use? It's a fair point.

The second option is that Wallet will come to the Nexus 7. Google has, admittedly, done a pretty crap job getting widespread adoption on Wallet. Credit card processors don't really like it, wireless carriers in the US (aside from Sprint) definitely don't like it, and I don't even think many consumers are too enthusiastic about it. Wallet is in desperate need of revamping. I think it's entirely possible that Google is ditching the SE-based payment paradigm and trying to dream up something more radical (... like the now-dead Wallet card). Or perhaps Wallet will move to the SIM-based credential storage systems like Isis use.

In either scenario, I ask you: does it really matter, at the end of the day, if the new Nexus 7 has Google Wallet? Or is it that 4th cupholder - nice to have, but far from necessary? Choose you response in the poll, and elaborate in the comments section, below.

Does the new Nexus 7 not having Google Wallet really matter?

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David Ruddock
David's phone is whatever is currently sitting on his desk. He is an avid writer, and enjoys playing devil's advocate in editorials, and reviewing the latest phones and gadgets. He also doesn't usually write such boring sentences.

  • Shitiz Garg

    Aren't your weekend polls on Fridays?

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Not for a very, very long time.

      • Shitiz Garg

        I should pay more attention :P, the site's useless on Weekends anyway :D

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

          Not a lot of news over the weekend, thus the poll. Heck, getting me to do work on Sunday at all is like pulling teeth. :P

          • Shitiz Garg

            Time for a revolution, perhaps?

  • Bjajjull

    Not available in my country

    • BBull

      Yours and about 200 others.

  • Micah Madru

    I thought google wallet was a great idea....but Google is having a really hard time getting support for it. And now it's newest tablet doesn't even support it...

    • ddpacino

      Why would you be using a tablet to pay for something?? Honestly, to me, it's about as dumb an idea as people taking photos with a tablet.

      • JJ

        And yet nearly every tablet has a rear facing camera now, including the new N7.

      • LazarusDark

        You are absolutely right. And Google agreed on the first N7, as they left off a rear camera, which I thought was fine. But now they have added a rear camera to the new one. So, obviously somebody wanted it. Even if you do look ridiculous taking pics with a tab, some people want it and Google should provide it. Not to mention that not having a rear camera completely gimps the tab for many AR games, scanning QR codes, or using Google Goggles or whatever. So, it turns out there is actually a good use case to have a rear camera on a tab. Then you throw in the few like me that want to replace our phone entirely with a N7 and the camera is now a necessity (besides, taking a pic with a 7" tab is not nearly as distracting or douchy looking as those parents taking video of their kids school play in the front row holding up a freaking iPad and blocking the view of ten people behind them).
        Which leads me to the question then, why REMOVE the secure element from the new N7. If there is a usage case, and there is, however small it may seem initially, and it almost certainly costs zero extra to include it, then why remove it at all?

      • lljktechnogeek

        There are at least situations where someone would have a valid reason for taking photos with the rear camera of a tablet. (For example, an inventory management system that uses matrix barcodes.) It's a lot harder to imagine a real-world situation where someone where someone would want to use a tablet to pay for something via NFC, although I'll freely concede that it's not impossible.

  • George Av

    What is Google wallet lol (Sarcasm)

    • Danny365

      Haha you so funny lol (Sarcasm)

      • George Av

        Yes i am (Sarcasm)

        • fuckingchristpeoplesometimes

          Please stop.

          • George Av

            Yes i will! (Sarcasm)

  • Morrissex

    Not available in my country either, but... Can't they make the encription software-processed?

    • Mike Reid

      That will open up holes for thieves/hackers.

      • Morrissex

        I could imagine it... :l

  • angel_spain

    Moreover, can be wallet be used outside US? Does it look like it is coming soon to my country? No, so don't care doesn't matter, althought I would like to use my Nexus 4 to do payments.

  • Andrew

    I'm not even in US, so I could not care less about Google Wallet.

    • https://www.facebook.com/max.chen2 MC_Android

      Yup, I'm from Canada and it's rare to even find stores offer Visa PayPass at checkouts. If Google Wallet ever does make a jump across the border, it won't be in our generation :/

      • Andrew

        In Ukraine I've seen few Mastercard's PayPass and Visa's payWave enabled POS terminals. Very few of them. But I've never seen actual NFC enabled cards. Couple of banks are advertising them, but even their stuff does not know much about these cards.

        • Chris

          Dude, I live in the US and it's barely supported here..... haha

          • Glenn

            in Australia Pay pass and pay wave are everywhere. It is more of a question where doesn't have it. In saying this I could care less for google wallet, even if it was avaliable here.

          • Andrew

            This should be very convenient: just tap terminal with your phone and payment is done. In theory, at least.

          • Andrew

            Well, this is unfortunate )

      • andreus

        Im from Slovakia, and there is PayPass common in every bigger store. So i would like to use Google Wallet..

  • Grimmjow

    Better question, is Google Wallet nearing its death?

    • http://www.ScienceProUSA.com SciencePro

      I don't see any signs that it is?

      • Justin W

        Put it this way - the only update it's had in recent months is a "holo-fied" update. It's still not seeing mass adoption, and several networks don't support it because it's "insecure on their network" or some other BS. It's either dying or they have a massive update in the works - hopefully a massive update, but I'm not so sure. Isis sure as hell isn't going anywhere (it's not going to stop and it's not able to expand to the mass consumer because it supports only one or two bank subsets of cards).

    • Freak4Dell

      I'm hoping it's nearing an evolution, not death. It's clear the current model isn't working. Google needs to shake it up and find one that does work.

  • AaronGingrich

    Who the hell uses their tablet to make payments anyway?

    • Fawoo

      "Who the hell uses phones to take photos"
      "Who the hell uses a tablet for work"
      "Who the hell uses the cloud to store documents"

      Oh wait, a lot of people do, and a lot of people will use tablets to make payments. That's not even including the businesses people who use tablets as their POS.

      Man, you would think android adopters would be the first people to be open to different views on technology and how we use that technology.

      • Babs Oyed

        Well said

      • AaronGingrich

        What makes Wallet so useful is that people already carry their phone with them everywhere. As a result, it's more convenient.

        I suppose you're a supporter of taking photos with your tablet, too. You early adopter, you.

        • Fawoo

          What's so convenient of a tablet (or a phablet for that matter) is you can actually complete work on it such as a presentation or a report. Neither of which you can do efficiently on a screen smaller than 5".

          So if you're a at a coffee shop you can stand in line, work on your report, and then tap and purchase your product. All without needing to fully stop working on whatever you're working on.

          No but of course, there cannot be multiple options because of your standards.

          • Paul_Werner

            On top of this I would think people that would want to use the LTE version and not carry a cell phone at all would hate that this is not included. Why else would there be a "significant anger being expressed"? It can't be that every single one is just saying "because it's a Nexus"

          • Chris

            Let me just point out that the majority of the nexus 7s that were sold last go around were wifi models, and that will also be true with new nexus 7. I think Google was looking out for a majority of it's consumers, not worrying about a minority, especially since Wallet is supported in very few places. You don't have to make a big deal about someone having a different opinion then you though.

            P.S. taking photos with a tablet is obnoxious, at my graduation people were doing that and blocked quite a few peoples views of the ceremony because of it.

          • marijan stojcevski

            And what about taking pictures at home, or when you don't block the view? is it still bad or obnoxious? you all whiners about tablets used for pics/recording think that usage will be in worst possible situations?

            Like people will ONLY use their tablet to block your precious view on concerts - or ceremony. For example, someone like me, who don't own smartphone (i prefer tablets) the camera is very welcome feature, and no i won't use it to take pics in front of people faces.

            Btw 5 inch phones also block the view in some situations, so your argument is invalid.

          • Chris

            It's not invalid, there's a lot more wiggle room with a smart phone since they're much much smaller. I'm not whining about anything, just saying that it's logical for them not to worry about wallet support when a majority of their consumers won't even use it, and it will make the price to produce more expensive, meaning also the price tag for us. You guys really don't understand business, do you?

          • marijan stojcevski

            So lets clear things out.

            You are against using tablets in front of people (blocking view) but using them in other scenarios is fine right? if not, tell me why is bad to use tablet in other scenarios for taking pics?

          • Chris

            Let me make this clear, i'm stating my personal opinion, it in no way, shape or form affects you or your life in any way. I think using a tablet to take pictures is completely and utterly stupid considering how bad the camera quality is, and also just how it's much easier to use a smaller device that can do the same job but better. I personally think people look like idiots using tablets as cameras. If you do it, that's great, but don't get all butt hurt because i don't share the same opinion as you.

          • marijan stojcevski

            Ah, after all you are trend follower mainstream hater, nuff chat with ya.

          • Chris

            Lol so i'm a trend follower for having an opinion? That's great buddy.

          • Fawoo

            Your anecdote is just an anecdote and nothing more. It was obnoxious TO YOU because of the situation. Stop using that situation to say "all tablets are obnoxious and you shouldn't use them to take pictures".

            Google wasn't looking out for the majority, they were forgetting about their service, which if they don't want to support it then no one else will.

          • Chris

            lol no, it is an opinion of the majority that using tablets to take pictures is pretty obnoxious and dumb looking. A majority of people DON'T use wallet, and it would just make the tablet more expensive for everyone else for the minority to be happy. You just seem like a snob who has to have everything his way...

          • didibus

            I admit, photos taken with a tablet, when someone behind you is trying to look at the show, is annoying, though, even using a phone for that is annoying, but a bit less. Yet, there is a lot of other situation you could take a pic with a tablet, and it wouldn't annoy anyone.

          • sweenish

            Your example is ridiculous. You sound like the type of person who talks on their phone when checking out.

            Just because a thing can be done, doesn't mean it should be.

          • mustbepbs

            Dumbest argument I've ever read. You can't drop your work for less than 5 minutes to stand in line? Sounds like poor priorities.

          • Fawoo

            Sounds like you've never had a job which actually has you complete various assignments hours before needed.

          • mustbepbs

            Maybe you shouldn't be spending that time in a hipster coffee shop and instead in an environment which is conducive to actual work, like an office perhaps?

        • hoosiercub88

          It would be more useful if I could actually use it on my phone, Verizon won't let me and Google won't force them to.

          My tablet should though, since it's strictly a Google product and such.. doesn't.

    • Karlo

      Agreed!!!
      You would look retarded like people taking photos outside whit tablets.

      • marijan stojcevski

        That's classic inferiority complex if you think that people look retarded while taking pics, does that make you feel special because you take the pics with your phone?

        Let your ego don't be a kid, don't follow the mainstream hate, "oh look hes using the tablet to take pics" he must be retarded, lets make fun of him....

        What is the difference going from 5 to 7 inch regarding taking pics? it does not look nice? who cares? should we all follow the hate and just copy others opinions? did you ever stopped and think about this? your all just following trends, and don't use your brain.

        • Steve Freeman

          That's classic denial. If you're taking a photo with your tablet, you DO look retarded.

          • marijan stojcevski

            Nope, that's classical kid thinking, or -hate - trend follower.

            Anyway, could care less what you or any other think about taking pics with tablet, i tried to explain with no use, so ill just give up, and let the hate flow freely.

          • Fawoo

            You DO look retarded (hate that word) with that shirt you have on. You DO look retarded with that haircut.

            Oh you're going to say it's personal taste? Well.. we could say the same about using tablets to take photos.

          • Steve Freeman

            The only people who don't think taking photos with your tablet is a douchey thing to do are douches. Sure, using a 7" tablet is a LITTLE better than using a 10" tablet, but you're still 50% douche. It's like the people that walk around with a bluetooth on their ear all day every day. Yeah dude, you're not cool, you're pretentious.

  • http://www.ScienceProUSA.com SciencePro

    As many others have said - I use Google wallet all the time on my GNex. It's super convenient to whip it out at a vending machine, for instance. Using a tablet to make a purchase? Who would want to do that? Never used Wallet once on my Nexus 7. It's no real loss, but still bad press for Google since it's kinda embarrassing they were too cheap to include a secure element with the new N7.

    • psychoace

      Also since it is a wifi only tablet, wouldn't you have to connect to some kind of internet provider (store wifi or tethering) in order to use it? That becomes a big slow down if so.

      • efan

        you didnt have to on the original. you'd have to turn on and sync up the wallet app before leaving, then when you got onto wifi again it'd send everything out.

    • Steve Freeman

      "they were too cheap" Let's not forget (though it seems like you already have) the awesome specs the N7 flo has, for UNDER $300.

  • blubb

    Google introduced a new KeyChain API in 4.3 which allows secure key storage for non system apps. This could even be a first step to enable wallet on a lot more devices / carriers.

    • Mike Reid

      Hmmm.

      Maybe Google is "backing away", hoping ISIS etc. use this API, then eventually releasing their own app using this API...

  • ProductFRED

    Considering most people aren't buying the LTE model, you'd have to connect to Wifi in order to make a payment. And even then, you're more likely to be carrying your phone or your wallet than a tablet into a store.

    So while it would have been nice to have, it would have been completely useless for 99% of situations or people. On the other hand, we gained wireless charging, which is super useful.

    • Eric Jones

      You don't have to be online to use Google Wallet, just to set it up initially. Once you have a card setup, you can do it offline. I don't remember if switching between multiple cards works, but I know you can use at least one of them.

      • ProductFRED

        So how exactly is the transaction processed without a data connection then? If it just caches it until there's a connection in the future, couldn't you just do wipe the cache/dalvik cache to erase the transaction?

        • Andrew

          The tablet sends the virtual credit card number to the merchant, and the merchant processes the transaction with their network.

          • ProductFRED

            Ah alright. Awesome, thanks for clarifying. I keep forgetting it's not processed on the network side. I still would rather use my phone or wallet, and I think most people can agree they wouldn't use a Nexus 7 or any tablet for mobile payments. But I know I don't speak for absolutely everyone.

          • Andrew

            Yeah, I would feel pretty ridiculous using my tablet at store as well. As long as my phone continues to support Wallet, I'll be happy.

  • Cory Wilson

    I think the only people who care are those who are buying an lte enabled nexus 7 and wanting to use it as their main device. As for me, I got an old school nexus 7 and a nexus 4, both have wallet, and I use wallet all the time on my 4, never used it on my Nexus 7. It's not a deal breaker. Even if you are using it as your main device, finding the nfc readers are few and far between

  • Eric Jones

    I'm sure Google has the back end statistics, and knows exactly how many people use Google Wallet from a tablet, and how often. My guess is that most people didn't even use the free $10 that the Nexus 7 originally came with on wallet. Of the ones that did use it, I'm guessing a very small fraction of them used it beyond that. I know that's all I used mine for. Better to keep the cost down by skipping a redundant (since most people also have phones), hardly used hardware component.

    • mechapathy

      I used that $10 on my Nexus 7! I had to tether to my phone in the store and the cashier thought I was nuts, but you better believe I used it!

      • Eric Jones

        You don't have to have an internet connection as long as you have at least one payment option set up already. The transaction is processed by the stores card reading machine.

        • mechapathy

          I don't remember why, but I know that I needed a connection on my N7. I tried without, and wallet wasn't happy.

  • Thomas

    Not a dealbreaker for me, even if we did have google wallet support I certainly wouldn't use a tablet for it.

  • JJ

    Here's my thoughts on this: I don't have a phone with a secure NFC element so if I want to use G Wallet at all it has to be through the only device I have that supports it: the original N7. Now if I upgrade, I won't have any device with this service, making it completely useless to me.

    The second issue is that since the Nexus line is supposed to be a shining example of everythign that Android's OS is capaple of, yet now there's a device out there that is "handicapped" by Google right from the start. So if a dev wants to incorporate secure NFC transations into their tablet optimized app, they'll have to look for a device other then the N7 to test it on.

    Maybe that's not a real concern for devs as IANAD, but it does seem like it could be an issue for some. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

    • Thomas

      As far as i know the secure element is not really exposed to Android APIs, and while they can probably get access somehow (how else would Google Wallet do it?) most developers likely won't be in the situation where they need to use the secure element at all.

      Not that it devalues your current situation of course, but it seems your only real alternative is to get a phone with NFC/Secure Element :(

      • plaisthos

        The keystore to store certificates normally also uses the secure element if it exists aka stores cerficates in a hardware keystore.

  • Phillip Booker

    I think it matters for things like sending money via email and what not but overall I've never walked into Walgreens and logged into their wifi just to pay for anything.

  • Cody

    Can I still install the app to see transactions and such?

    • Justin W

      No :(

  • Thor Sigurdsson

    a) Apparently the poll "autoanswered" for me, since I didn't vote but got the second option marked bold (like that was the option I chose).

    b) I'd see the exclusion as EXTREMELY important. It's not about wether I'd use my tablet to pay for goods (I wouldn't) - it's about:

    b-1) Google actually backing their own platform
    b-2) Me using the tablet as a development device for the wallet service

    For what it's worth - I frown upon companies telling me what to do and what not to do. That's why I dislike Apple with all my might. And if Google is going to tell me they know what's best for me? Then I'd tell them to sod off.

    • naysayer

      The Nexus 7 isn't just a developer device. It is supposed to be a cheap yet capable tablet that paves the way for the rest.
      It's not a case where Google tells you what to do. Without the secure element, Wallet doesn't make sense.

    • sweenish

      Google can back their platform and still keep Wallet off of a tablet.

      Just because their vision and your hypothetical situation don't agree doesn't mean that they're not backing their platform and services.

    • Milla

      Maybe someone else with your IP already voted?

  • Rajiv

    Using Google Wallet on your tablet is like taking pictures on your tablet. Its a tablet not a phone!

    • Fawoo

      As the line continues to blur between phone and tablet, your point continues to get weaker and weaker.

      People can do what they want with a 20 inch tablet or a 2 inch tablet, it doesn't matter.

      Remember when people were saying "you shouldn't bother taking photos with a smartphone because they're awful and DSLR's are better!" Well, look at how that turned out, most people these days take photos with their smartphones - that will continue to grow due to products like Honami and the Nokia 1020. So don't knock something just because you don't like it.

      • Freak4Dell

        That's a terrible analogy. Phone cameras were pretty bad at first, but now they've gotten better, so it makes sense that they're more popularly used now. DSLRs still produce better pictures, but they're a pain to carry around. You know what else is a pain to carry around? A tablet. Tablets also have terrible cameras. Taking a picture with a tablet is like taking a picture with an old phone inside a DSLR case. You get all of the drawbacks and no benefits.

        • Fawoo

          So you're saying tablets won't get better? You're implying that the drawbacks won't be worked on? You're implying tablets won't get lighter and have better camera capabilities?

          Oh please give it up your reasons are the worst reasons I've heard in the tablet photo debate.

  • abqnm

    WHO CARES. ITS A TABLET!

  • s_bomb

    I always anticipated an update to Wallet that would enable person-to-person money transfers via NFC, so in that sense I would be less embarrassed to pull out my tablet to send a friend $20 for dinner or something along those lines. I also would be unlikely to use a tablet to purchase something at a store, but the option is nice (realizing you forgot your wallet but have your tablet in a bag/purse/etc).

  • Ivan Myring

    Nien! Das Google wallet est sheisse!

    • thegermanguy

      Trying to speak German? Funny. Absolute grammar fail, should be : "Nein! (Das) Google wallet ist scheiße"

      • Ivan Myring

        I don't really care. It was just a joke.

  • ScottColbert

    People love to whine about anything and everything. Get out of the basement and live a little. It's a tablet for Pete's sake.

  • Ivan Myring

    Nexus 10 ftw

  • Nathan Borup

    The only thing I wish it had was haptic feedback

  • bobbutts

    For me, wallet is useless on my phone, which makes it less than useless on the tablet. I find wallet to be much less convenient vs. a plastic credit card, so I've never used it after my free $10.

  • Grant H.

    It's probably Verizon that has to do with this. Last year, the HSPA+ Nexus 7 with AT&T/T-Mobile support had the secure element baked in. And now that Verizon is onboard as an carrier for the new LTE Nexus 7, the carrier was and still is really snotty about Google Wallet and how it accesses the secure element (B.S. exuse for blocking Wallet). Verizon is just trying to make ISIS more popular by blocking Wallet which is totally unfair for the consumer.

  • GazaIan

    It doesn't actually matter, but I don't like to feel left out.

  • http://digishock.ca/ Gabriele Mollica

    I think the real issue here is the "why" of the article. With Google recently discontinuing their support for their RSS reader, is the wallet next and this is the writing on the wall? I know it seems like a big jump, but is it? Who wouldn't want people using their wallet service if all it was going to take was another hardware module to make it happen. Seems a bit suspect to me.

  • Troy Leonard

    I don't know of any retailers in my area who accept Google wallet. As far as I am concerned it is a pointless feature on anything.

    • psychoace

      If you live in the US the reason is because you haven't looked. If you have a Walgreens then you have at least one place that accepts Google Wallet

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=708741524 Robb Nunya

        Or a McDonalds, Whole Foods, Texaco, Taco Bueno, CVS, Home Depot, 7-11, Wendys, etc...

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  • LazaroCasanova

    First world problems

  • payaxy

    I'm going to post my comment from previous Wallet article here as well, hoping for some real life opinion on Wallet and competing solutions.

    The way I see it, Google Wallet was blocked from the start from massive market
    penetration due to design decision to use secure element in the phone,
    instead the one that is the most universal one (on the SIM card). So
    you'd need to be buying phones from Google from now on forever if you
    want to keep using it. That's quite a disadvantage IMHO, just a
    different kind of lock in... I'm sure Google had their reasons for this,
    but it doesn't change the fact.

    Which brings me to the second point. I'm not from the US, so I was wondering. All this
    hate I see here directed towards ISIS - does ISIS work on Nexus phones?
    Is there someone who actually USED this service and can COMPARE based on
    real life with the Google Wallet? I mean to use other reason for
    dismissing ISIS other than 'you mess with Google, you mess with us'
    attitude that some people here seem to be exhibiting? :-D Or any other (universal) payment solutions working already somewhere?

    • Thomas

      Why is the SIM secure element the most universal secure element? A SIM card or NFC for that matter does not equal a secure element.

      The secure element has nothing to do with google devices, so I could ask the same question, why the hate against google with the irrelevant nonsense?

      To answer your question though i think the hate is directed towards Verizon for their anti-competitive tactics and not the product itself.

      • payaxy

        Secure element on SIM card is the most universal because, quite simply, every phone must have a SIM card in some form. And most of the time, the SIM cards are the one part that you can easily take out of the phone and put it in a new one. Therefore, if you had a secure element on a SIM card (which is very much possible, I assure you), you would not be locked into using specific device, or even specific OS in your phone, and still be able to use the payment service when/if you ever decide to change handsets.

        Secure element in form required by Google Wallet has everything to do with Google devices, since it is a required HW for Google Wallet function and, as far as I know, only present on Google Nexus devices - some of them, anyway ;-) For Google wallet solution, you need not only to use the specific OS, but also devices from specific manufacturer to be able to use the payments. Hence my remark about Google's design decision blocking the market penetration.

        Still, I would like to hear from anyone who could compare REAL LIFE USAGE of these competing payment schemes. Anyone?

        • Thomas

          I know what is possible, by the looks of your argument you appear to be thinking that a SIM Secure Element provides extra functionality that it doesn't.

          What a SIM Secure Element provides over the embedded Secure Element is portability, there is no more or no less access to the secure element regardless of whether it is embedded, on a SIM or a MicroSD card.

          Obviously Google's only possible solution is using an embedded chip because they don't support MicroSD nor would any carrier likely agree to give Google access to tye secure element on their sims.

          The wallet supported devices give an insight into what devices carry the secure element, in reality more may have it but it is by far not a "nexus-only" thing, which is why your rant makes little sense:

          HTC One® on Sprint
          HTC EVO 4G LTE on Sprint
          LG Viper 4G LTE on Sprint and Zact Mobile
          LG Optimus Elite on Sprint, Virgin Mobile and Zact Mobile
          Samsung Galaxy Note® II on Sprint and US Cellular
          Samsung Galaxy S4 on Sprint, US Cellular, and Google Play
          Samsung Galaxy Victory 4G LTE on Sprint and Virgin Mobile
          Samsung Galaxy SIII on Sprint, MetroPCS, US Cellular, Virgin Mobile and Boost Mobile

          I'm not sure why you insist on a comparison between the two services as the Secure Element is supposed to be transparent to the end user, so ISIS could use the embedded Secure Element and Google Wallet could use the SIM Secure Element, and the respective programs would basically work the same to the end user.

          • payaxy

            1) Never in my comment I make an argument that SIM embedded secure element gives you any advantage apart from more flexibility when changing your handset, i.e. we are saying the same thing. As I said, I'm sure Google had their reasons for choosing their way of doing things, presumably for reasons you mention - negotiation with the telcos would be a pain.

            2) As I said, I'm not from the US, so I'm not so familiar with various devices US carriers customized, so I stand corrected on Nexus only point. Still, the list of devices you provide are quite limited to number of models and specific carriers, not to mention it's US only; so far from universal reach that would be ideal for spreading the mobile payments idea.

            3) I 'insist' on comparing real life usage viability of Google wallet and ISIS, or any other working payment scheme for mobiles, just to satisfy my curiosity. I'm interested in this technology, and I wanted to know real life experiences of people actually using it. The way they utilize secure element does not come into play here for end user, so it's not so interesting for me either.

            I would still love to hear from anyone actually using more than one payment solution with real life experiences.

            PS: never meant to 'rant' at any point, so let's not go there, eh?

          • Thomas

            You'll have to remember that all non-US devices are automatically deemed incompatible as the service is only live in the US.

            Infact, you'd probably be better off making a list of which NFC device doesn't include an embedded secure element as the smart card alliance suggests that most NFC devices already have a secure element embedded.

            Which is why i have a hard time understand why you are bringing up the SIM Secure Element if, as you say, the Secure Element is not interesting for you, yet you're stil busy arguing that the SIM method is better because the embedded secure element is hard to come by, when in reality it's probably the direct opposite.

            The Secure Element is prevalant in most NFC phones today, and when NFC-based payment takes off there would almost certainly not be anyone making NFC-based phones that lack this element, whether they use Google Walet or a carrier solution like ISIS.

          • payaxy

            Unfortunately, support of embedded SE is far from universal, as a rule the further you get from high end devices (which are niche market, relatively), the less likely your device will support embedded SE even if it supports NFC. In fact ISIS uses SE on SIM card regardless of embedded SE in some of supported phones.

            There are some ways around this problem, for example host card emulation. Might be that even Google is planning to go this route if new features in 4.3 are any indication.
            But I did not want to discuss technical details here, just trying to get some real life experiences...

  • david coffey

    No. When I rarely use my Google wallet, I use my nexus 4. Never, ever would I want to lug my tablet to a 7-11. Ever.

  • Alex Coldstone Simon

    Not that I'm going to do this but when the LTE model does come out, wouldn't one be able to put their secure SIM from, say Verizon, and use isis?

  • MrWicket

    it matters about as much as if it has a rear camera IMO.. still I'd rather have it than not.

  • fzammetti

    Wallet is an interesting idea who's time hasn't come yet. Far too many people aren't comfortable with it, and even more don't have access to it anyway. I don't, therefore, think it missing from the N7 matters in the least. I know for me, I'm about as technologically savvy as you can get, and for me, I just don't really care about Wallet. Maybe I will some day... I'm certainly interested in the IDEA of it... but I'm just not there yet. I disable it on all my devices anyway, so it not being there in the first place makes no never mind to.

  • faceless128

    in a phone, it's a big deal, but what weirdos out there are using their tablets for google wallet purchases? they probably take pictures with them too and not ironically...

  • armshouse

    So for this to be useful the person needs to meet the following criteria:
    1) Use Google Wallet
    2) Want to pay using their tablet
    3) Always carry their tablet with them
    4) Do not have a phone that has Google Wallet
    5) Purchase something in a store that accepts NfC payments
    6) Live in the US

    It's just so many conditions for it to be useful that I prefer they kept the price down rather than add a redundant feature which few people want to or have the ability to use.

    The Nexus devices are now maturing and turning into mass market products. The move to not include it theregore makes perfect sense to me!

  • NathanDrago

    Or, maybe, this is just Google dumping Wallet for good.

  • Garrett Bridges

    I have my tablet with me 95% of the time, but if I'm in a store it's probably staying in the car. My GNex has Wallet, so that works fine for me. The only way having Wallet on this would make sense is if the LTE version also let you use it as a phone, and I just used it as a massive phablet (which I would totally do).

  • lol

    Awww! Now America feels like the rest of us. No Google Wallet.

    • Chris

      its nothing special.

  • http://www.mobileosworld.com/ Xen Lee

    Nexus 7 has many other features that are too good. So with one feature not present in Nexus, we cannot back out from it. Look at the tab Man! Its awesome! iFixit has tear it down and it is easily repairable too http://www.mobileosworld.com/2013/07/new-nexus-7-gets-cracked-open-by-ifixit.html

  • MeCampbell30

    I use it on my GNEX which is nice because most places in NYC (including Taxis) accept it. I just don't want this to become grounds to drop it with mobile phones. I would like to see google put more effort into the project (especially if the carrier versions never materialize).

  • someone755

    Seeing as most of the world doesn't even support Wallet, why would it be an issue? Also, who goes shopping, and at the checkout, 'Oh, wait a sec, gotta get my HUGE-A** electric wallet out.'...

  • Guest

    Nope. NFC is still very new and not many places have it. Plus like someone bellow said, if you are gonna PAY with NFC then wouldn't you use your phone?Makes much more sense to grab your phone out and "Tap" the card reader then to get out a huge tablet thats likly twice the size of that card reader anyway

    http://youtu.be/be7kyyTcp0w

  • Chris

    Nope. NFC is still very new and not many places have it. Plus like someone bellow said, if you are gonna PAY with NFC then wouldn't you use your phone?Makes much more sense to grab your phone out and "Tap" the card reader then to get out a huge tablet thats likly twice the size of that card reader anyway

    http://youtu.be/be7kyyTcp0w

  • http://www.Nave360.com Sebastian Gorgon

    I sideloaded Wallet once on my first gen Nexus 7 and got a free McDonalds meal out of it, so yes it would be a big deal if Google still gave $10 free.

  • PhoenixPath

    Only inasmuch as it apparently means Google isn't even interested in pushing it any longer....

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=708741524 Robb Nunya

    On a tablet? Nah. On a phone it would matter. And yes, I use wallet with NFC.

  • Ethan Bissette

    Who gives a fuck. If you see someone in public taking pics with a tab are you really going to go out of your way to tell them......in public......THAT'S being a douche.

  • Liquidretro

    I actually used my Nexus 7 at Home Depot twice to use up the credit Google gave out at first. Home Depot has free wifi in my area. Worked pretty well. I would use my phone if Verizon didn't block GW.

  • Mie Mohd

    Either NFC payment, phone conversation & taking photos with tablet was not useluss a gimmick, it is prove useful just like 'rediculous ' smartphone browsing like the old time, doesnt matter us but it should be welcome at any device,