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Update: Director of Product Management for Google Wallet Peter Hazlehurst dropped by our comments section below to confirm that Wallet is not compatible with the new Nexus 7 for the same reason as the HTC One Play Edition – the device does not carry a secure element, the small bit of hardware required to store encrypted card credentials on a device. This is required in order for Wallet to function, well, securely.

If you're the owner of a 2013 Nexus 7 and if were planning on using Google's own mobile payment solution with the NFC-toting slab, you may be surprised to learn that Google Wallet is in fact not compatible with the latest seven-inch addition to the Nexus family. Not yet, anyway.

Last night, we received a tip bringing this to our attention, and it turned out to be true – Wallet can't be installed from the Play Store, and can't be installed using the latest APK either.

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Right now, we're not sure what the hold up is with Wallet compatibility, but we've reached out to Google on the matter for an official statement, or word on whether the service will ever live happily on the new Nexus 7. We'll keep you posted as we learn more.

Thanks Keith and Justin!

Liam Spradlin
Liam loves Android, design, user experience, and travel. He doesn't love ill-proportioned letter forms, advertisements made entirely of stock photography, and writing biographical snippets.

  • 16bitz0r

    OMG, what will I do now?!

    • pepinocho9

      :(

      • The Peanut Master

        LMFAO

      • hoosiercub88

        That's what I did.

  • Alex Mocaby

    I'm sure they had an update prepped and ready for the actual release date, you know...the 30th. It's been a weird week for Google.

  • Robert Goddard

    Have you tried placing it in the /system/app directory and rebooting?

    I know this requires root, but it's worth a shot.

    • http://AndroidPolice.com/ Liam Spradlin

      The problem with that would be that Wallet doesn't support rooted devices.

      • Robert Goddard

        Then unroot it when you're done?

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

          I think that should work. Works on my rooted 2012 N7, but in the past I've seen wallet bail completely when it detected what it thought was unsupported hardware.

          • wollac11

            Over at Modaco you can grab the Modaco toolkit which uses the Xposed Framework and provides a load of different options and customisations on any rooted ROM without flashing anything and one of which removes all country, device, root and carrier checks from Google wallet without touching the APK. You could give that a try. I use it for Wallet on my N4 because officially we can't get Google Wallet in the UK.

      • Nick Schiwy

        Technically speaking that isn't true, they just warn you that it isn't supported but you can still use it just fine :)

      • lordmerovingian

        Works on my rooted Note 2 and before that on my rooted S3 as well.

  • Zhuowei

    The new Nexus 7: inspired by Verizon.

    • abqnm

      Not enough logos for that.

      • Zhuowei

        Well, I've borrowed abqnm's ideas to visualize the Droid Nexus 7 Flo Incredible DNA 4G MAXX HD 330 PRO GEAR SPEC ThunderLTEBolt:

        http://i.imgur.com/Hfc2PbK.png

        • abqnm

          Please no. At least when I did it, it was on a device that they will spend 3 months after the other carriers launch it defacing it with their logos before actually selling it. Plus I didn't take the time to use transparent logos. Just MS Paint and about a minute. The way it should be. Haha

          http;//www.droid-life.com/2013/07/20/here-is-the-first-moto-x-press-render/#comment-970633519

      • SamsungFTW

        Agreed. A Verizon inspired device would look something like this...

        • http://AndroidPolice.com/ Liam Spradlin

          This is amazing.

          • SamsungFTW

            Thanks! :P

        • mgamerz

          I see some non bloatware apps on there, like chrome. Clearly this isn't made by verizon

          • Guest

            Good thing you pointed that out, I'm sure a lot of people assumed this was an actual photo of a phone. Thanks for the much needed clarification.

          • Daviljoe193 .

            Remember, us Americans were told, by Apple, "Do not eat iPod Shuffle", while others got told to "...not chew iPod Shuffle". We might not seem to bright, and we aren't, but we don't just assume that everything is real... okay, that might be a lie. ;)

        • ChalonR

          By a Samsung fanboy...

          • SamsungFTW

            Based on what? My username? And that would be relevant because...? Samsung and Verizon are not rivals.

            I wouldn't consider myself a Samsung fanboy, I used that name when I created my account because the original reason I created it was to post a comment on an article about Apple patent-trolling Samsung. I like products by Samsung, HTC, Microsoft (about half the time), Nokia, Google, etc. In fact, I like Android as a whole a lot more than I like Samsung's version of it. If you were to call me a Verizon-anti-fanboy that would be a bit more accurate. Let's not make assumptions based on usernames.

            What type of fanboy are you?

          • woofa

            Ah, and you think that response proved you aren't a fanboy? Calling Apple patent-trolling? You don't even understand a patent troll. Patent trolls are patent buyers that produce nothing, invent nothing and try to enforce patents they bought because they really are worthless except for extortion. What am I a fanboy of? That's the point. I'm not a fanboy. I typically don't like anything I get enough to be a fanboy because I'm so critical of it all. This article is about the Nexus 7 and Google Wallet. It's not about Verizon and t's not about Apple.

          • SamsungFTW

            No, I don't believe my opinion "proves" I'm not a fanboy any more than I believe posting E=mc^2 "proves" I'm a physicist, but I'm still entitled to express it. You are obviously free to agree or disagree.

            You seem to have "patent troll" confused with NPE. You see, the absence of a marketed product is not a requirement of a patent troll. The specific term for that is NPE, which stands for "non-practicing entity". While many patent trolls are also NPE's, they don't have to be an NPE to be a patent troll. Patent trolling refers to a practice of abusing the patent system by pursuing rights to absurd patents for the purpose of monetary gain and/or creating a monopoly. This would accurately describe Apple's actions in the Apple vs. Samsung lawsuit. That is not to say that Samsung was innocent, but Apple was clearly not interested in intellectual property nearly as much as they were interested in crippling their biggest competitor, hence the focus on some quite absurd patents (mixed in with some valid ones). If you think that Apple's highest legal priorities are protecting their intellectual property, consider looking up information on a Polish online supermarket with the domain a.pl (.pl being the designated domain for Poland) that Apple sued for having a URL that too closely resembled the word "Apple".

            It is interesting how quick people are to scream fanboy, when the reality is that I have no allegiance to any company. I do usually like Samsung products, but not more than I like products by most of their competitors. I dislike Apple and Verizon because they are both manipulative and unethical, but I don't think disliking a company automatically makes me a fanboy of their competitor; furthermore, Verizon is not a competitor of Samsung - they SELL Samsung products!

            You are correct, this thread has gotten a bit off topic, the article is not about Apple, but neither was my original post. This article IS in fact about Verizon (though indirectly) because Verizon is 33% of the reason that Google Wallet is not as successful as it should be. Whether or not anyone thinks I am a Samsung fanboy is not relevant to the original post because being a Samsung fanboy would have no relation to my liking or disliking of Verizon. So I say I'm not a fanboy, you say I am, at the end of the day, what's the difference?

            The point of the original post is still valid, and that is that Verizon aims to make as much money as possible regardless of how it negatively impacts consumers. This is evident both by the fact that they have severely crippled a superior product (Google Wallet) from being more widely used and by the fact that they make most of their devices walking advertisements.

          • woofa

            It's clear. I'm dealing with an idiot.

          • SamsungFTW

            And I'm dealing with a troll (though in this case not a *patent* troll). Kudos on your well thought out response, I'm sorry that you were not able to actually formulate a logical argument. Better luck next time. You can just reply to your little heart's content, but it looks like I'm all out of troll chow, so don't expect a response. Good day to you.

            ~.^

          • woofa

            No, my response is an indication of I'm not about to waste my time with some fanboy kid who spent time today "Googling" what he thought was an intelligent response.

            Better luck next time to you.

          • http://evildevnull.com/thinktank/index.php?action=collapse;c=14;sa=collapse;d227fb2388ec=9e8bb86861f0686e54bcbaae99929bbd#c14 George Leon

            Yes, but you realize it now & have admitted it. That is the first step in getting the help you need to overcome being an idiot.

            Read your responses & the posts by SamsungFTW. Clearly there is some knowledge & intelligence in half of that bickering duo while the other participants (your) posts are simply opinions & insults, a clear indication of ignorance at the very least.

          • woofa

            You should try making sense George. Nothing you said is an applicable response to mine.

  • Mark

    Vaporware. Google Wallet is as dead as the Nexus Q. It was a nice play trying to be a leader on this, but they received no support and network heavyweights boxed them out.

    • http://blog.jalcine.me/ Jacky Alcine

      What are you saying? I use Wallet any and every chance that I get.

      • Idon’t Know

        Oh because YOU use it then it must be successful. Right. It's been an abject failure for many reasons and not just because of the carriers.

        • PhilNelwyn

          He didn't say it was successful.
          He just replied to Mark's wrong statement that it's as dead as the Nexus Q.
          As far as I know, Google Wallet hasn't been shut down yet...

          • SamsungFTW

            True. And though he did not say it was successful, let's take a look at how we define success. Based on number of downloads, Wallet is 100 times more successful than the app that is keeping it off the market (ISIS). To me, that is successful. Even if it fails in the end, it won't fail as miserably as ISIS and as long as it exists people will continue to root their phones to install it, which will also allow them to break free from the restrictions the manipulative carriers try to place on them. That in itself it a huge win.

          • http://blog.jalcine.me/ Jacky Alcine

            Precisely man! Google Wallet doesn't only do payments, it's like an awesome coupon book!

          • hoosiercub88

            And Google Wallet as an entity probably never will be, because of it's web presence. Google Wallet isn't just NFC payments ya know.

          • http://blog.jalcine.me/ Jacky Alcine

            Thanks for the wise input!

        • http://blog.jalcine.me/ Jacky Alcine

          Talk about a flawed use of Modus Tollens.

          Google Wallet does have the Offers perk that I exploit every *day* here in New York.

        • enomele

          Well shit since YOU say its a miserable failure then it must be. Its one of the two payment methods that is accepted at most online marketplaces.

    • http://www.nerdshowandtell.com nerdshowandtell.com

      Use it all the time.. You live out on the farm or something?

      • Mark

        Americans: 5% of world population, 95% of the arrogance.

        • woofa

          Irrelevant comment and used only by those just as arrogant.

          • http://GPlus.to/Abhisshack Abhisshack

            i like the Irony in your comment ;-)

          • woofa

            Irony? There's nothing ironic there.

        • mldi

          What a bullshit and hypocritical comment. If you have a product where a gigantic portion of your marketshare can use a specific feature, then it's completely relevant.

      • Nick Schiwy

        Mark is right. I wouldn't be surprised if Google is discontinuing support of the Wallet app on purpose and having it go the way of Reader. They are purging money on this project because they can't get the data that they wanted to from people's purchases.

    • Mark

      ARTICLE UPDATED: "the device does not carry a secure element, the small bit of hardware required to store encrypted card credentials on a device. This is required in order for Wallet to function, well, securely."

      Now play along, folks. Lets rank, on a scale of 1-to-10, Google's commitment to Wallet when they've just excluded the key hardware component from they newest of the Nexus line. Anyone?

      Here's some help. The Nexus is essentially Google's method of providing a beta for testing its newest OS before it's real customers, the OEM's, use AOSP on their own phones. Google's equivalent of Apple's developer releases. This is where they show off the cutting edge capabilities of the platform. It shows the world, and the OEM's what you can do with AOSP. And they left Wallet at the curb like the compost. Google has just waived the white flag of surrender in the war of mobile payments.

      • SamsungFTW

        Or perhaps they realize that it is better used on phones... how often do you see someone holding their tablet up to the payment terminal? Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's much more practical on a phone, which you probably always have in your pocket, like... well, a wallet.

        • ThomasMoneyhon

          Your comment would make sense if the cost between the chip with the secure element and without had some huge difference in price but its probably closer to a fraction of a cent in cost to ASUS. Its more a matter of principal not practicality. Google did wave the flag.

          • PhilNelwyn

            Probably?
            Well, your comment probably makes sense then. ;-)

            Seriously though, not only does the price make a difference, but the availability too.
            You often see devices delayed because of a component shortage... who knows?
            If the new Nexus 4 comes without a secure element, I'll admit you were right.

          • SamsungFTW

            Not necessarily disagreeing with you, because I don't know how much the secure element costs to mass-manufacture, but if you have info on that I'd like to check it out. To me it seems more like something that would cost a few cents a unit, which would certainly add up when making millions of units, and if it is hardly ever used on tablets it wouldn't seem worth even the small investment.

            Another possibility is that they are looking at other ways of implementing Wallet that don't use the secure element - which would not be a bad idea as the secure element seems a bit temperamental. Apparently if you factory reset your phone without resetting Wallet, it permanently breaks the secure element.

            Anyway, it is of course all speculation, but there is more than one possible reason for their decision to exclude it.

        • oldarney

          Difference is, the N7 is a pocketable device, unlike the iPad mini. Every one of my pant pockets fits it, even the the skinny jeans.

          • JJ

            I was going to up vote your comment until you said you wear skinny jeans. I'll call it a wash and neither up vote nor down vote it. :D

          • PhilNelwyn

            Do you make phone calls with your tablet?

          • SamsungFTW

            It is possible to make calls with a tablet using VOIP, though most people do not use them for that purpose. VOIP uses data so if you have a limited mobile data plan you'd probably end up paying a lot anyway if you use it heavily.

          • PhilNelwyn

            Yeah, I just wanted to know if he has a phone.

          • SamsungFTW

            "Difference is, the N7 is a pocketable device"

            That depends largely on the pockets... for example, a relatively large man with loose pants would have no problem fitting the N7 in his pocket while a petite woman with form-fitting pants could barely fit the N4. I see you say you wear skinny jeans, but I would hypothesize (and I promise you I don't mean any offense by this) that you are above average in stature. The only reason I say that is because I am a little above average weight and wear comfortably fitting jeans, and anything bigger than my S4 wouldn't fit well in my pockets. I would agree that in general the N7 could probably be considered pocketable, but not universally, and because it is larger than most phones and won't make phone calls (that is to say, won't make phone calls without some complex configuration), it will probably spend a lot less time in a lot less pockets than a phone would.

            But I'll stop nitpicking, all I'm trying to say is this: though it's small, it's still technically a tablet. If Google has made the decision to include the secure element in phones and exclude it from tablets, pocketable wouldn't matter at that point - it would unfortunately miss out simply because of its form factor.

    • Huton Gergö

      Soo if google wants to not be dead make it not US ONLY

  • GuestOfTheBest

    Doesn't Google Wallet need a data connection to function? Most folks won't have a wifi connection when they're trying to make a purchase.

    • cynojien

      Nope. The only two times where an internet connection is required to use Wallet are the initial setup and card switching. Otherwise it works just fine offline.

      • Guest

        So if I were to set up wallet, them go buy something expensive without having data connection, and I never connected the tablet to data ever again, I'd technically have that expensive purchase for free? How will it actually charge my credit/debit card if it can't use data?

        • votdfak

          Let me try to explain.

          You set up your wallet, add your cards. After, there is no difference between your phone/tablet or actual plastic. You wont get anything 4 free, because POS (Point of sale) will contact your bank, and if you have enough money, transaction will succeed. You don't need data connection. That's about it.

          Pros are multiple. Imagine having all your cards @ one place. Your device as your wallet. I love the idea. I would like to get rid of my wallet and carry just one device to authenticate myself.

          I don't know the reason, but for a long time now, there aren't any news from Google Wallet crew. I don't like that @ all. I hope they'll not kill this project.

          Also, it would be awesome if they could expand across US borders.

        • http://about.me/jargon Jargon

          Nope. The retailer is the one running the transaction, not you. All Google Wallet does in this instance is provide the payment info. After all, you don't need an internet connection to swipe a debit card, do you?

          • votdfak

            You just swipe your Nexus. It's so cool looking @ clerks while you're doing it. :D

  • Brian Tate

    To be Honest.... WHO CARES?

    • rootarded

      Makes buying apps/music/etc a lot easier.

  • Ethan Senator

    It's on the list of google wallet supported devices: https://support.google.com/wallet/answer/1347934?hl=en

    • http://AndroidPolice.com/ Liam Spradlin

      It's likely that that list is referring to the old Nexus 7 (which is compatible), and simply hasn't been updated to reflect the new device yet.

      • Mike Reid

        The hazards of 2 devices with the same name, LOL.

    • mcored

      Seeing how both Nexus 7 (2012) and Nexus 10 (2012) devices supported Google Wallet, arguments like "it is awkward to use Google Wallet on a tablet so that is why Google removed Wallet support" become kind of invalid.

      I personally find it very distressing that Google is removing support for Google Wallet in their own devices and I am afraid that in the future NFC support will be dropped altogether from Google Wallet before it even comes to Australia. I am quite confident Google Wallet will continue to work as a payment method on the web and in Google Play.

      • SamsungFTW

        "Seeing how both Nexus 7 (2012) and Nexus 10 (2012) devices supported Google Wallet, arguments like "it is awkward to use Google Wallet on a tablet so that is why Google removed Wallet support" become kind of invalid."

        That's not necessarily true. Perhaps Google did not know how people would respond to having the option of using NFC payments on a tablet, and wanted to give consumers an opportunity to determine whether or not it was useful. In this scenario it would seem that it wasn't being used on tablets nearly as much as it was on phones, which would be a reason to discontinue it if the omission of the secure element could help keep the production cost down. It does not seem practical to replace a 3x4 wallet that will fit in your pocket with a 5x8 tablet, but perhaps Google was initially hoping that there would be potential for it on a tablet as tablets are more commonly unbranded (and thereby not blocked by "The Big 3").

        Of course, that's all speculation, but the point is that a low adoption rate is a valid reason to omit rarely used hardware, and it certainly seems Wallet has a lower adoption rate on tablets than it does on phones.

  • suprime
  • Malufor

    I know, this is off topic but i just can't find an answer. What does PSA mean? On Topic: Wallet isn't avaiable in my country, so meh... But still a strange course google is going.

    • CoryDobak

      Public Service Announcement

      • Malufor

        Thanks, now i feel a little less dumber.

  • Guest

    I don't see the big deal about Google wallet on a tablet. If it's compatible, great, if not, no big deal. I'm not going to be taking my tablet around to pay with it. It makes much more sense on a phone. As long as it's compatible with the new Nexus phone that will come out later this year, I'll be happy.

    • LazarusDark

      Unless you are like me and considering replacing your phone entirely with the new 4G Nexus7 when it is released. Then you would really want it to work (If you want to use Wallet that is). Though I am obviously aware that this is a very tiny niche within a niche.

      • pepinocho9

        why?

        • LazarusDark

          I already carry my OG wifi N7 literally everywhere in my pocket, but I have to carry my Gnex ALSO for its camera and to tether my N7 for internet access. A 4g N7 with rear camera can replace both of them, and I then only have to carry one device. I only make actual phone calls maybe ten minutes total a month, I don't need a phone, the tab is far more useful, and I can use a bluetooth earpiece if I need to make a call on the 4g N7.

      • oldarney

        Actually, I replaced my phone with the N7 3G. It's pocketable, and everything is easier to do on the N7. Typing, research, games and maps all work better with a bigger screen.

        The idea that typing on a smaller screen is easier, is sorely mistaken, im typing this on a Nexus 10, portrait.

    • GazaIan

      Personally, I like it because I can see my entire transaction history that I've made using my Google Account, which includes NFC and debit/credit payments (assuming they were done from my Google account). I could be a total weirdo and use it for payments, because the expression of disbelief from the employees is just worth it.

      • FrillArtist

        Haha. I'm going to walk into a McDonalds and try it now on my 2012 N7 just to see the look on the cashier's face.

  • Ben Bethel

    This has got to be in a future update, I'm imagining... it's one of the main reason's I bought the new Nexus 7 yesterday, and I was surprised too... that and whatsapp don't work on the new Nexus 7, at least not yet. It is pretty fantastic though... very happy with it so far... ordered 3 Chromecasts and hope the Nexus 7 will act as a great alternative to a Logitech Harmony remote, which costs a lot more than the Nexus 7.

    • FrillArtist

      WhatsApp requires a phone number to work which the Nexus 7 doesn't have. Unless it's the sim card version? Not sure.

      • Ben Bethel

        Interesting... I know I can use MightyText on the Nexus7 to view and respond to all of my text messages... wish WhatsApp had the same option...

  • Idon’t Know

    I think Google Wallet will be going away soon. It's cost Goigle a lot if money and is getting no traction.

  • Yep

    Not compatible with HTC One Google Edition either, wtf? Oh well, I haven't seen even a glimpse of it here in Scandinavia anyway. (But we do have some similar nfc payment service that seem to have quite some momentum.)

    • WestCoastr

      Whats the name on that service?

  • Peter Hazlehurst

    Hi folks, there is no Secure Element in the new Nexus 7 (or the HTC One Play Edition) which is why Google Wallet isn't supported.

    Tx

    P

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      Thanks for stopping by to confirm this, Peter.

      (I've also verified this comment and his identity personally.)

    • JJ

      This begs the obvious follow up question: Why not? If Google had Asus build it into the original N7, why remove that feature on the "new & improved" version?

      • Kenton Douglas

        Because they wouldn't be able to get a LTE version on the ISIS carriers.

        • oldarney

          The logic does not follow, the first N7 was on AT&T, an isis carrier. Maybe Verizon had something to do with it. Im just amazed at the flippancy with which they killed one of the flagship features of the N7, particularly on the cellular model, without telling anyone.

          Im seriously reconsidering my purchase of the LTE model, I love wallet. Any plans to make it work without the secure element, it seems pretty pointless for root users.

          • Kenton Douglas

            The last N7 would work on any GSM carrier (globally) not just At&T, while LTE devices need specific bands. I think it's an achievement to get LTE across 3 carriers from a single device (Qualcomm RF360?), but the victim is Wallet :(

    • ThomasMoneyhon

      Oh yes wallet is not a resounding success but there was no reason to use the chip without the secure element on the wifi model. On the LTE if you want to bend over to Verizon and AT&T thats your companies prerogative, but don't skimp on the model you retain full control on.
      Thats quite literally several steps forward one step back from the 2012 model.

    • Tim242

      That is completely inexcusable. Google Wallet needs to $hit, or get off the pot. It's bad enough having to hack it on my Verizon devices, but not supporting it on your own devices??? WoW.

  • dhruva

    i hope they are changing course with wallet...before i/o it was reported that larry page scrapped the wallet card. make this thing useful or scrap it goddamit.

  • wollac11

    Maybe it just lacks the secure element? Without it Wallet would not work. Given the Nexus 7 is a tablet and therefore a rather award card replacement due to its size, it is quite probable that Google could have choosen an NFC chip without a secure element as it is effectively a waste. Just a theory though. The new Nexus 7 may have secure element for all I know - I believe the old one did. However, it would not surprise me if that is the reason for the new one not being supported.

    If the new N7 has the secure element then I am sure Google will push out an update to the app shortly.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      That's what Peter said.

  • Ruben

    I thought Google Wallet wasn't very popular and just like any other unpopular Google service, Google would pull the plug...

    • Tim242

      Google Wallet is used for Play Store purchases. I doubt that plug will be pulled.

  • Anthony Tyson

    Next Google service to get the ax. Calling it now

    • abqnm

      I don't think so... They transitioned all the developer payments and checkout to Wallet which shows they are putting a pretty good amount of stock in this product. Sure it may (d)evolve by losing the tap to pay ability or something or get killed off in a few years when even Wallet gets merged with Play. I don't see it going soon though. Picasa and Orkut are likely to be the next to go. They will be completely transitioned to G+.

  • Cory Wilson

    I love wallet but finding retailers with nfc readers is rare. I bought a chromecast at best buy and I was surprised to see they had nfc readers but when I tapped my phone, the cashier informed me that payments were disabled. It is weeded that a nexus device wouldn't support it, but doesn't matter much, I've never tapped my tablet to pay

  • mystilleef

    I'm pissed about this. Wanted to use the Nexus 7 as my phone and only mobile device. Google fucked up here. I don't think I'm going to get the Nexus 7 anymore. I use Google Wallet a lot. Was going to get the LTE version, but not anymore. :-(

    • ThomasMoneyhon

      Thank the carriers for that. I was submitting several FCC violations on Verizon for lying about blocking wallet (claim they don't block, works fine on that device if sideloaded, google wouldn't block unless a carrier requested). They are not allowed to do that on the LTE galaxy nexus because its a C block device. Those complains have got nowhere unfortunately.
      Also note it was double standards to allow ISIS to thrive and block wallet. Which is anti-consumer. Maybe I should have complained to the BBB as well as the FCC.

    • Chris

      7" phone would look great.

      and you use google wallet a lot? I guess your town has businesses who all have NFC.

  • deltatux

    I would love seeing Google Wallet working outside the States. I've been waiting for it for years.

    In Canada, the only thing closest is my PayPass tag on the back of my phone. It's not secure and would love to see Google help change that by launching Google wallet in Canada.

    I would also agree that it would be very awkward to use a Nexus 7 for NFC payment. I use it all the time, and it would not fit in a couple terminals I can think of (due to the PIN pad shields that some retailers installed so that it helps customers cover the pin pad while they enter their PIN during credit/debit card transactions)

  • payaxy

    The way I see it, Google Wallet was blocked from the start from massive market
    penetration due to design decision to use secure element in the phone,
    instead the one that is the most universal one (on the SIM card). So
    you'd need to be buying phones from Google from now on forever if you
    want to keep using it. That's quite a disadvantage IMHO, just a
    different kind of lock in... I'm sure Google had their reasons for this,
    but it doesn't change the fact.

    Which brings me to the second point. I'm not from the US, so I was wondering. All this
    hate I see here directed towards ISIS - does ISIS work on Nexus phones?
    Is there someone who actually USED this service and can COMPARE based on
    real life with the Google Wallet? I mean to use other reason for
    dismissing ISIS other than 'you mess with Google, you mess with us'
    attitude that some people here seem to be exhibiting? :-D

    • Thomas

      How so?

      There are other vendors implementing the secure element, they need NFC either way so using the SIM as the secure element wouldn't work unless they got NFC support anyway.

      • payaxy

        All these payment apps need from HW point of view 2 things - NFC support on the phone, and some place to store sensitive data - secure element. It can be in the phone itself (Nexus/Google Wallet approach), or it can be on separate storage device (typically SIM card, but it can be also on SD card). Google chose approach that locks you into using very limited subset of devices on the market, as opposed to ISIS which in theory should be much more flexible with secure element on SIM card. After all, every phone has a SIM card in some form or another. Of course, SIM cards are usually property of the telco providers, so this way Google doesn't have to deal with them. Also the reason why providers push ISIS, apparently ;-)

        Still, theory and practice are usually two different things, that's why I asked for someone who has experience of both systems.

  • mgamerz

    Well we know what product will likely get axed sometime soon...

  • FrillArtist

    I don't see what the big deal is. I use Google Wallet on my phone a lot but never used it on my 2012 Nexus 7. I can't imagine carrying an 8 inch plus device (counting the bezel) around just to pay for things at a store.

  • money

    Not American. Dont care.

    • mldi

      Don't care? Don't comment.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ninjustin ninjustin

    Well the era of pulling out my phone, unlocking my phone, then putting my pin into Google Wallet is finally coming to a close over pulling out my wallet and swiping a card.

    I liked the idea but in practice it didn't make anything easier. Still needed the cards and it couldn't replace my wallet completely. There was no Google Driver License app.

  • hoosiercub88

    So we can't even sideload :(

  • SirCharles

    does the Headphone jack now allow a Microphone or is it still output only??????????

  • barbara

    i have a my play tablet and it is not compatable with Google wallet so i cant download paid games from my Google play card any suggestions

  • http://www.unexpectedparameters.com Aaron Hurt

    This was "fixed" by 4.4

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