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Jul
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Google is set to (probably) announce the new and improved Nexus 7 tomorrow, but we've been taking a look at the device ahead of time. Some of the specs from previous rumors were dead on, and some not so much. We've got all the details and benchmarks right here. So let's dive in.


Hardware

As expected, the new Nexus 7 has a 1920x1200 screen (reported as 1200x1824 because of the on-screen nav bar) That should look great on a 7-inch device – it works out to 320 PPI. Inside is a Snapdragon S4 Pro quad-core clocked at 1.5GHz. If that sounds familiar, it's probably because that's exactly what the Nexus 4 runs. Something else the new N7 and N4 have in common is RAM. Yes, the rumors were off in this case. The new Nexus 7 has 2GB of RAM.

Update: We've confirmed that NFC is present.

Update #2: 3,950 mAh battery (Up to 9 hours of active use), Qi wireless charging, 802.11a/b/g/n dual-band Wi-Fi, 0.64lb, 114 x 200 x 8.65mm.

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The device codename this time around is Razor (last year's N7 was Nakasi). The board ID is Flo, which is the replacement for Grouper from the last Nexus 7. You can peruse the full build.prop right here. The bootloader version is FLO-03.05 on the retail device (see below).

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The new Nexus 7 runs Android 4.3 out of the box (build JWR66N). One of the first things we wanted to find out was whether or not Google fixed the audio latency issues in Android. Well, it has been improved, but not to the point that it's usable. Current Android devices see latency in the neighborhood of 80-90ms. The new N7 is sitting at about 40ms as tested in Caustic 2. You really want things to be under 10ms for good music apps.

Benchmarks

AnTuTu is a full system benchmark that takes into account processor speed, storage, memory performance, and graphical power. Phones running newer Snapdragon chips, both S4 Pro and S600 are pulling in overall scores in the neighborhood of 16,000-22,000. The Nexus 4 is usually smack in the middle with 18,000. The HTC One pulls in about 22,000, but that's not surprising with the Snapdragon 600.

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Where does the new Nexus 7 fall? Right about where you'd expect at about 19,000-20,000. Just a little better than the Nexus 4. The floating point calculations are a bit diminished on the Nexus 7 compared devices with newer chips, but that's not really going to affect your life.

Quadrant is similar to AnTuTu – it checks CPU, I/O, and 3D graphics. It's a bit more outdated than other apps, but the numbers still provide some interesting comparisons. This test was unkind to the Snapdragon S4 Pro in the Nexus 4, but does the N7 fare any better? The Nexus 4 gets about 4,200 in this test, while the HTC One hits 11,000 (likely a throttling issue with the Nexus 4 in this particular test). The New N7 pulled in about 5500, as you can see below. So still a strangely low score on this test. More reinforcement that this is going to be kind of like a bigger Nexus 4.

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3DMark is still fairly new to Android. This graphics benchmark aims to see how many pixels a device can push and how fast. This affects gaming of course, but also has a lot to do with the smoothness of the UI. 3DMark renders an OpenGL ES2.0 action sequence at 720p and 1080p – we ran the 1080p "extreme" version on the Nexus 7. The updated N7 clocks in at 7,188 and manages to keep frames per second at nearly 30, with occasional jumps higher. That compares to the Nexus 4 at roughly 6,300. The HTC One only does slightly better. That shouldn't be too surprising as both the Snapdragon 600 and the S4 Pro run the Adreno 320 GPU. Last year's Nexus 7 could only pull in 1,877 on the 3DMark Ice Storm Extreme test.

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So that's what we've got. The new N7 is more or less like we expected after all the leaks. It has similar internals to the Nexus 4, which is probably fine. The screen is much higher resolution, though. It's a bummer the rumor about 4GB of RAM didn't pan out, but 2GB is nothing to sneeze at. The updated Nexus 7 performed on par with, or slightly faster than the Nexus 4. Hopefully this version of the Nexus 7 ages more gracefully than the old Tegra 3 Nexus did.

The device will be official tomorrow, and probably up for order shortly thereafter.

Ryan Whitwam
Ryan is a tech/science writer, skeptic, lover of all things electronic, and Android fan. In his spare time he reads golden-age sci-fi and sleeps, but rarely at the same time. His wife tolerates him as few would.

He's the author of a sci-fi novel called The Crooked City, which is available on Amazon and Google Play. http://goo.gl/WQIXBM

  • mgamerz

    Weren't you the ones who were speculating that it had 4GB of ram? And then people debunked it in the comments? I saw nowhere but here it had 4GB of ram.

    • aNYthing6

      No, the rumor started when the sticker on the back of a pre-production Nexus 7 said it had 4 GB of RAM.

      • Garrett

        No, the sticker did not say it had 4gb of RAM. The numbers were just interpreted that way.

    • Elias

      Sticker had a part number, which searched on google said 4 gigabit of ram. Divided by 8, we have 0.5 gigabyte of ram (512 megabyte). If it has 2GB of RAM, obviously there are 4 of those chips inside.
      People debunked this mistake in the comments, but I didn't see AP staff correct the article. It makes me confused and a little pissed off.

      • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

        I just went back and updated the article. We should have done it sooner, that's not right. I wish someone brought this to my attention sooner.

        • someone755

          Wait, you guys read every single comment of ours?

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

            I have a filter set up on every comment that mention my name or replies to my message.

          • someone755

            Yay! :D But mgamerz or Elias didn't mantion your name...

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

            Someone did in another thread.

    • Fredrik Yngström
  • aNYthing6

    Aw man, I was really hoping it had 4 GB of RAM. But still a great value for $229 / $279.

  • http://www.twitter.com/andrewpalozzo Andrew Palozzo

    Anything new to report on Android 4.3?

    • Brendan Owens

      Personally, I think that anything new from Google will come in the form of app updates tomorrow, notably Google Now. This is really the direction Google is heading with updates (camera is no longer part of the os but just a built-in app, nor is keyboard)

      • http://www.twitter.com/andrewpalozzo Andrew Palozzo

        True, but I think stuff like notification syncing across chrome / tablets needs to come in the form of OS updates..

        • Brendan Owens

          Yeah, that would be an os thing. I'm also really excited as reports show that all devices upgraded top 4.3 had a performance boost. My nexus 7 is ready for the speed boost, as I'll just be getting the Moto X rather than the new nexus 7

          • http://www.twitter.com/andrewpalozzo Andrew Palozzo

            Will the moto x ship with 4.3?? The leaks showed 4.2 if i recall...

          • Brendan Owens

            Yeah I heard that, but I'm hoping that was just a pre-release test model running 4.2.2 since 4.3 wasn't officially out yet.

        • ercl

          FYI notification sync does work between my N4 and N7 (opening a notification removes the other device's entry)

        • Phil Oakley

          That could actually happen in Google Play Services, I think.

        • http://www.bordersweather.co.uk/ Andy J

          No.... that uses the new Cloud Messaging service that is part of Google Play Services. Device to Cloud messaging also uses Google Play Services. It's better to do it this way because they can within a few weeks support back to Android 2.2

    • Guest

      FYI, it's the same build ID and kernel build date as the leaked Nexus 4 build. Looks like that was the final build after all.

  • MeCampbell30

    11:33 ET? Do I smell a breach of a confidentiality agreement?

    • navjot

      This is from someone that managed to get their hands on the retail version

      • Walkop

        By "got their hands on", you mean he walked past a Staples, saw them stocking up the new Nexus 7, broke in and stole one for sheer excitement, and posted it all over the internet for all to see and bask in his glory! :D

  • Jay T

    I WANT!

  • Walkop

    I'm really liking that audio latency decrease. A seemingly minor thing, but it effects basically everything that you interact with on the device. Great work!

    Otherwise, performance looks to be solid. I couldn't ask for more on a sub-$300 device.

    • Adrian Meredith

      The caustic number is generally higher than the real latency. My galaxy nexus also gets 40ms on 4.2 I'll bet that it gets much smaller on 4.3. Google were saying at io that they've already got output latency to <10ms but they've made little progress on audio input latency yet so that might be why caustic is reporting a much higher number.

      we'll see soon!

      • Al

        The caustic manual (http://www.singlecellsoftware.com/docs/caustic/caustic_2_1_0_manual.pdf) says it "calculates the device's audio output latency based on the size of the minimum output buffer allowed". Actually, it seems to divide the "AudioTrack MinBufferSize" / "Sample Rate".

        Nexus 7 /2012 / Android 4.2.2 and 4.3: 3072/44100 = 69.659... caustic says 70ms
        Galaxy Nexus / 4.2.2: 1728/44100 = 39.182... caustic says 40ms

        However, that's not relevant. More important are the numbers given by the AudioManager properties:
        N7: 512 frames/44100Hz
        GN:144 frames/44100Hz

        Also see https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d3kfEeMZ65c at 29 minutes 28 seconds. With native code / OpenSL, you need at least 2 buffer, there might be another hardware buffer =>

        GN: 3.26ms * 3 = 9,78ms (Google claims they are below 10ms, so that might be right)
        N7/2012: 11.6ms * 3 = 34.8ms

        Since caustic shows the same 40ms as the GN, we might expect similar latency as with the Galaxy Nexus. But that's a guess.

        @androidpolice: don't trust numbers given by others that you don't understand, measure yourself. BTW: caustic seems to be slow. Use an app that supports the audio fast path, ideally use midi via usb (that's faster than a on-screen manual if done right) and measure the difference between the start of the sound pressing a key on a midi keyboard and the start of the apps sound.

  • Ray

    Please be available to us Aussies via the Play Store.

    • mrjayviper

      knowing Asus made it, it'll be available at all the leading electronics soon. UNLIKE the Samsung's Nexus10!!!

      • Ray

        I really hope you're right. If not the Play Store, then yes, at least the local retailers.

    • http://the-jade-domain.com Jaime J. Denizard

      According to this morning's presentation, it will be in the coming weeks. :)

  • Brandon

    How is the bezel compared to the Nexus 7? Same or slimmer?

    • miri

      Looks taller vertically and narrower horizontally.

  • ZepNexus

    Does the tablet have haptic feedback or vibration?

    • newnexus7

      there's no haptic feedback or vibration.

  • qu4ttro

    so no word on wireless charging, hdmi out? I don't see any pogo pins so my stand is out...Guess we still have to wait for some info...

    • http://www.facebook.com/lucyparanormal Daniel Tiberius

      I'd be they're sticking with MiraCast instead of doing hdmi out sort of stuff, but of course I'd rather have both options. Wireless charging would be great, that'd really tempt me to pick one up since I have the orbs for my Nexus 4.

      • Nexus7Forum.com

        It supports Slim Port for video out.

      • Andrew Bockus

        I'm almost certain they've mentioned a couple times that this has SlimPort connectivity for HDMI out.

        And yes, it's supposed to have Wireless Charging as well. But, all of this, as you state, is still unconfirmed in the ACTUAL product. Haha

        • cosine83

          I wish SlimPort adapters and cables weren't stupid expensive still.

          • http://the-jade-domain.com Jaime J. Denizard

            $30 for the adapter is not that bad IMO.

        • http://the-jade-domain.com Jaime J. Denizard

          Confirmed as of this morning's presentation.

  • MacW

    Any chance you can post the new wallpapers?

    Thanks.

  • Benjamin

    S4 Pro does not support DDR 3 Ram, so this has DDR 2 Ram which is lame.

    Tech Specs
    Processor

    APQ8064
    PM8921+ PM8821 (PMIC)
    WCN3360 (WLAN/BT/FM)
    WCD9310 (Audio)
    WGR7640 (GPS)

    Graphics

    Adreno 320 graphics processing unit (GPU)

    Display

    10.1” 1366x768 display
    True multi-touch capacitive touch screen

    Video

    1080 High-definition video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
    Stereoscopic 3D playback via HDMI output

    Camera/Camcorder

    Rear 13MP camera w/flash (1080P 30fps)
    Front Facing 2MP

    Audio

    Surround sound stereo speakers
    7 microphones for FluencePRO & Ultrasound

    Memory

    2GB LPDDR2
    32 GB eMMC

    Connectivity

    WiFi 2.5GHz/5GHz, BT, FM (Rx), GPS

    • Tyler James Edward Hills

      um what device are you describing?

      • Benjamin

        I'm not describing any device, this is the exact specs qualcomm lists for this processor. It doesn't matter what device it's in, that's completely irrelevant.

        • Tyler James Edward Hills

          Ah okay I see. So this was just proof of the processor using DDR 2 RAM? The rest of it threw me off. Like the 10.1 inch display at 1366x768 resolution and the 13mp camera

          • Benjamin

            Yes, actually there is a ton more specs, I just copied the basics.

          • Benjamin

            They list the maximum this processor is capable of, DDR 2, 10.1 inch display etc.

          • Tyler James Edward Hills

            yeah when you said it was the specs that qualcomm listed for just the processor, I understood. The resolution part threw me off as well since i knew this n7 and the xperia Z both have 1080p displays

          • Benjamin

            I'm not sure how that works out, its still better than the old nexus 7, although not using the 600 is disappointing.

    • Benjamin

      4 down votes for listing the exact specs for this processor, lol ok.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii
    • Fredrik Yngström

      It does support DDR3, as stated in this Anandtech piece:

      http://www.anandtech.com/show/5118/qualcomm-announces-a-bunch-of-krait-based-snapdragon-s4-socs

      "Although it's not new, the APQ8064 is also on the roadmap. The 8064 is a quad-core Krait SoC, clock speeds are once again limited to 1.7GHz initially (the SoC will eventually scale to much higher speeds). The memory interface grows to support standard DDR3-1066. The SoC also has on-die SATA and PCIe controllers, making it an obvious target for Windows 8 based systems."

      Later revisions (which this device likely has) of the chip would likely support more and/or faster memory as well.

    • Robert Sydbrink

      Its not qualcomms tech sheet and it looks like the specs for a device which is just plain stupid to link.

    • Mr. Mark

      Yes, it certainly does support DDR3. There are two SoC's for the S4: MSM8960T and APQ8064. That latter supports dual-channel 533MHz DDR3, but doesn't support 3G/4G/LTE. The former supports only DDR2, but has cellular support.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_%28system_on_chip%29#Snapdragon_S4
      http://mydragonboard.org/apq8064/

      • http://the-jade-domain.com Jaime J. Denizard

        By "doesn't support" you mean the SoC itself doesn't have an integrated LTE modem or that it won't play nice with one? Because one of the new Nexus 7s has LTE. Are they using a different CPU?

  • Meganubis

    could we get some physical measurements?

    • lamenting

      That's what she said.

      • Meganubis

        I would like that if I could XD

        • Simon

          You can upvote.

    • JohnnyV

      7.5" long

      6" circumference

      Oh, you wanted measurements for the Nexus? Sorry, no idea...

  • Ryuuie

    Someone's gotta say it so I'mma do it.

    THIS IS JUST A BIG NEXUS 4. WHAT THE F***.

    ...There.

    With that being said, I want one. :3

    • Elias

      Big nexus 4 but with dual speakers, no haptic feedback, option for more storage and greater screen resolution. Oh yeah, and a nasty bezel.

      • Mkvarner

        The bezel is amazing because you can hold it so comortably without covering the screen.

        • Krzysztof

          I never held my thumbs on the bezel of my old nexus 7. It leaves fingerprints and sweat marks and just looks nasty when you put it down. The smaller the bezel the better, ipad mini looks great when it's put next to nexus 7.

          • Mkvarner

            The new one is going to have a antifingerprint and scratch-resistant glass. So it probaly won't be a problem.

  • Benjamin

    The 600 with DDR 3 is a lot better.

    • gabriel de leon

      No shit Sherlock.

  • marijan stojcevski

    So, the new Nexus 7 scores better then old one in the 3D Mark Extreme tests, even the test was done on 1080p instead of 720p, which was the resolution the original was tested with, i'm right or? that's impressive!!!!

  • Ian

    More google surprises about the device. =) this is a new s4 pro processor customized for the nexus 7. Just watch out as sundar and hugo will feature all the good stuffs about the new nexus 7

    • Benjamin

      Its not new, its a pretty old processor actually.

  • Nexus7Forum.com

    Can you confirm Slim Port support?

  • spade

    Ok, no 4GB of ram.....what about the battery..?

    • http://www.googlepants.com/ Wizard of Odyssey

      You know that more RAM = more power consumption, right? You could build a rocket tablet with better specs than a desktop workstation but a battery life of 10 seconds. It's all about balance.

      • spade

        replied to wrong post?

  • Israel Lai

    Too bad it's only an S4 Pro. But it's a budget device, and this CPU was once dream hardware not long ago, so I'm ok with that methinks.

  • Roberto Giunta

    No 4GB RAM? B-but my conspiracy theory...? :-(

  • Dylan Patel

    Please run T-Rex HD off screen 1080p. It is a better benchmark than Ice Storm Extreme (shows difference between different phones much better and translates better to what games actually will demand.)

  • ye91

    Have LTE or not? No mention

    • Mkvarner

      Probaly not.

    • http://the-jade-domain.com Jaime J. Denizard

      Yes there's an LTE variant of it.

  • David Margolin

    Looks like I will be updating next year instead... Its not too far an upgrade compared to my old one...

    • Mr. Mark

      more than double the screen resolution, almost 50% increase in dpi, a
      gpu that performs almost 600% better, a cpu that is more than twice as
      fast as the previous version, shipped with the latest version of android
      that fixes bugs that are present in the previous version for only $20 more isn't
      far from an update compared to the old nexus 7? you're basically getting more than twice the product you
      purchased last time.

      • Sorian

        Mark, it all depends on usage. If you use the N7 for web usage, reading books/mags, listening to audio, etc (not power intensive), you could keep the "old" N7 for another year.

        • Mr. Mark

          while your statement is true (you could keep the N7 for years if only using it for browsing/reading, and audio), David said the new version isn't much of an upgrade from the 1st version, which simply isn't true.

  • marijan stojcevski

    So for someone who doesen't know how 3D Mark Ice storm extreme exactly works, are the scores which i'm looking at correct? 7.xxx for the new one, and only 1.xxx for the old one? that's huge difference, and amazing improvement, yet people whine?

    • cosine83

      The difference is the architecture. Nexus 7-1 used Tegra 3 and the Nexus 7-2 is using the Snapdragon S4 Pro/Adreno 320. The Tegra 3's chip is based around older ARM specs and isn't as fast or powerful as newer ARM specs. It's a huge jump in graphical and processing power as well as power efficiency.

      • marijan stojcevski

        Thanks, so the scores really are like 4x higher in 3D Mark Extreme, or i'm reading it wrong?

        7,188 vs 1,877 ?

        • cosine83

          You're reading right. My current Nexus 7 gets that if it's lucky and on CM10.1. My Nexus 4 or S4 get in similar ranges as the new Nexus 7.

          • marijan stojcevski

            Thanks bro, i really cant understand people whine when we get such a huge upgrade regarding specs...

            Nexus 7 vs Nexus 7 v2,

            RAM: 1GB ram -- 2GB ram
            CPU: Tegra 3 -- Snapdragon S4 pro/
            Display: 720P -- 1200P
            Charging : Cable -- Wireless + cable
            Video output: No -- 1080p silim port.
            Camera : Front 1.2MP -- Front 1.2MP + rear 5MP@ 1080p
            Connectivity: Wi-Fi + 3G HSPA -- Wi-Fi + 4G LTE
            Storage: entry level -- Kingston
            Notification: No -- Led.
            Speakers: 1 mono -- Dual stereo

  • minion

    4gb ram for 32 bit os..? yea right..Google is not that stupid

    • Benjamin

      Not only that but Qualcomm is obviously not going to redesign an old processor so it could support 4 gb of ram, especially when the 800 is a brand new processor on a brand new core and it supports 4 gb of ram.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      What's the problem with 4GB in a 32 bit OS? 32 bits fits 4GB memory addresses just fine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM_limit#32-bit_x86_RAM_limit

      • Fredrik Yngström

        Yes, but you would waste some of the RAM as not all of it would be usable.
        Why? Because the peripheral devices (GPU, USB controllers, SATA/Flash controllers, etc.) take up address space as well.

        In a desktop device, that's somewhat ok, because the extra 1-1.5 GB (if we're talking 2GB vs 4GB here) might be worth it.
        On a mobile device it's a different story. Having (partly) unusable chips is bad since they still draw power, which is one of the key design points for mobile devices.

  • Vinnie

    What about battery life?

  • eddiea

    I'll take one indeed.

  • Jonathan Reid

    What is the slot on the side? SIM support?? Which carrier?

    • marijan stojcevski

      I would be interested as well, please someone confirm or deny this!

      • newnexus7

        Don't know where you saw this, but there's no slot on the slide. only audio, power, volume rockers, mic hole and microusb.

        • marijan stojcevski

          :(

    • Idon’t Know

      I hope so because the Nexus 7 really needs LTE. An LTE iPad Mini is a great device and will be even better when it ships with a retina display.

  • Boudin

    Upvote if you are getting one :D

    • Elias

      And fuck you if you are a upvote whore. Go back to YouTube or Facebook.

      And no, please don't upvote me. I don't need it.

      • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

        I upvoted you. Deal with it!

  • Elias

    Seeing specs for the new X phone, the not-so-new N4 and the new Nexus 7, I'd say Google really liked the cost-effectiveness and processing power of the S4 they used on the N4 and are basically saying "We realized people prefer affordable hardware instead of expensive top-notch hardware. 2gb of ram is plenty for everyone, and nobody needs more than 4 cores of processing power. We're confident we made enough optimization on the OS so these hardware choices should be enough for at least one generation. Also, if you want a microsd and front facing speakers you'll die waiting because we are scumbags."
    And for those who like top notch hardware, I'm guessing the N10 might come with a Snapdragon 800.

    • marijan stojcevski

      The S4 pro is great budget chip, which is numerous time faster then the Tegra 3 in gpu based workload, and around 50% in cpu based ones, on top of that you get 2GB ram, 1200p display, 5MP camera, 4G LTE, notification led, stereo speakers....all this for only like 20-30$ more compared to the older models, yet ppl whine.

      The new Nexus 7 will be amazing for the price, period.

    • Adrian Meredith

      or hopefully the new exynos chip. It probably wont be announced until september however...

      • hasan

        Exynos has poor support for developers. Too many binaries and even then not very friendly. Reason why CM had issues supporting exynos based samsung phones. I hope its snapdragon instead.

        • Adrian Meredith

          Personally I'm happy with stock, and I'd want the n10 to have as much performance as possible. I'd imagine this one should be a bit easier for devs as its almost a stock ARM soc. If its still hard to dev for then thats more ARMs fault than samsungs.

      • Sean Lumly

        Indeed. It would be nice if the N10 had a LARGE SoC like the new Exynos 5420, but with a beastly Mali T678 MP6. Oh, and I would more battery cells, and faster charging (parallel?). Oh, and some ultra-low power, always-on sensors.

  • mat

    Why all the Tegra bashing all the time? My N7 works great and performs great!

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      Because it doesn't for many.

      • someone755

        But it does for more.

      • Sean Lumly

        I can appreciate (and at times agree with) the Tegra-3-is-crap sentiment. As a SoC, it certainly performs less well (CPU/GPU) than the hype it got. However, my N7 runs very well with carefully selected apps, and a careful monitor of filesystem capacity and I/O writes (eg. an overactive MediaScanner process, or apps that won't DIE).

        This implies that the problem is likely not with the T3, but with Android, and the Nexus 7's IO perf. Certainly there is much to optimize and many bugs to be removed from Android that can improve performance, and I hope that this new Nexus 7 (as wonderful as it looks), isn't throwing hardware to mask software problems.

        (A simple solution would be to bake a tool in Android that warns users of Apps that are slowing down their systems or that continue to userp resources even when they lose focus.)

        This is primarily what I'm looking forward to gleaning from today's announcement. That and any news regarding furthering of Renderscript (or the inclusion of OpenCL however unlikely).

  • Jerry Suppan

    No external MicroSD slot? Once again, handicapped to what's offered as internal memory. Will stick with the 64GB iPad as the better alternative for the interim.

    • Fredrik Yngström

      A USB OTG cable and a flash drive might work for those files (videos and such) you don't need to be constantly available on the device.

      • http://the-jade-domain.com Jaime J. Denizard

        Has it been confirmed that OTG is enabled on this device? I'd love to know because that's an important feature to me.

    • someone755

      Why do you need more than 32 gigs of space? I have 720p movies, student's books for school, pictures, videos, practically everything I have on my PC. And I still have a spare gig or 3...

      • Jerry Suppan

        Space needs / requirements.... perhaps a very subjective matter, by individual.

  • Bleakvision

    I hope they use todays occasion to bring the Play Store for devices to more contries.

    • someone755

      Eversince the Nexus One, they've been 'working on it'. IF you can believe that.

  • shaurz

    The Nexus 4 code name is Occam, the new Nexus 7 is Razor... not likely a coincidence :-)

    • someone755

      For anyone that might ever think of downvoting this post, have a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

    • http://the-jade-domain.com Jaime J. Denizard

      The Nexus 4's codename was Mako which OK granted if you say it backwards it's sort of like Occam but it's not the same. Nice catch though!

      • shaurz

        CPU-Z shows the model as "Nexus 4 (occam)" and the official firmware images also have that name: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images

        • http://the-jade-domain.com Jaime J. Denizard

          Yes this was my mistake. Apparently mako was the codename for some software on it.

  • Colin Whiteside

    Could we get an Androbench IO benchmark vs the Nexus 7, please? To confirm if the UI issues of the original model are resolved on this one.

  • armshouse

    I was hoping for better specs. It has the same specs as the nexus 4 which was released almost a year ago. Probably will still get it though!

  • Tech4

    Why can't we get a true upgrade from old N7. The new N7 does not beat my scores enough (Antutu 14656, Quadrant 5077, & 3dMark 2363) to justify purchase. I was expecting a 7" Tegra 4 tablet similar to what Nvidia was using for demo at computex. Have to wait a little longer I guess.

    • tom

      what you talking about?!

      (!!!) 300% more powerful graphics is not enough upgrade for you? Are you joking?

      • tom

        Not mentioning about huge res 1920x1200

        back 5 mpx camera gratis

        lighter and much thinner

      • Tech4

        300% off a $229 is free, will you be giving away your Nexus 7.1? 1080p video on a 7 inch platform is nothing to jump for joy about, imagine a Tegra 4/ S800 Nexus 7.2 having enough juice to run Keylime and dual boot to Ubuntu Touch. I doubt the playstore will have games that I am unable to play and my 7.1 runs XBMC just fine, not to mention splashtop.

    • someone755

      Finally, someboedy that agrees with me!
      It's not that big of a deal, really, since a quad-corer will always be a quad-corer and will be able to last quite some time in the mobile world. The Tegra3 is still powerful enough, and the S4 just isn't much of an upgrade. Now, Tegra4 or S800 on the other hand...

    • Detonation

      The resolution is enough for me. I have a Nook HD+ and the clarity and crispness of that screen makes my N7 look awful when switching to it right after using the Nook.

      • http://www.googlepants.com/ Wizard of Odyssey

        I tried the Nook HD+, which indeed has a beautiful screen for reading. Unfortunately the Nook is just not fast enough for games, which is an important thing to me. The current N7 is brilliant at 3D and emulation. Specs are nice but what I really want to see is the new N7 running TIE Fighter in DOSbox Turbo!

        • Detonation

          That's why my GF gets the Nook and I use the N7. I like the size of the N7 anyways, the Nook is a little to big to easily hold one handed while gaming for a while.

    • http://dylricho.com/ Dylan

      One word, which sums up why the benchmarks are relatively low compared to what you were expecting - resolution.

  • dpg

    is there gonna be a new nexus 4 either today or in october?

    • http://the-jade-domain.com Jaime J. Denizard

      My money is on October/November just like it was for last year's Nexus 4.

  • http://towo.eu towo

    The interesting question, of course: does it have the shitty storage from the old N7, which is the assumed reason for all the slowdowns?

    • someone755

      Shitty storage? Slowdowns? What the heck?
      Are you not a XDA member? Seeder, plus MUCH more to keep any bugs away. Though I didn't have any even on the first boot...

      • http://towo.eu towo

        http://www.xda-developers.com/android/entropy-seed-generator-not-all-its-hacked-up-to-be/

        Seeder's just a placebo, the actual problem is that ASUS built in pretty crappy flash storage controller: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/18/googles-nexus-7-tablets-dying-early-possibly-due-to-cheap-memory (yes, I'm rather flabberghasted that it takes a source like appleinsider to get a decent write-up of the issue).

        • someone755

          It says there that the performance boost is in the CPU. Reading the first few sentences of the appleinsider article just makes me laugh. I am also ashamed that an Android fan would even think of looking at an apple-oriented site, which, of course, says everything bad it can about any Android device.
          If you think your issues are so big, don't compain and simply RMA it.

          • woodie

            Denial is not a river in Egypt.

          • someone755

            Nor is it in Italy. As said, most users don't have issues. If you're not one of them, go complain to Asus or Google, not the community or AP.

  • Rauel Crespo

    It's gonna be tough to pick between a 32GB Nexus 7.2 or nVidia's Sheild. I play on PC alot and the streaming is going to be great when I want to play a PC game in bed and don't want to bring the laptop with me. I love my current N7, and game on it as frequently as I do on my PS Vita and 3DS(well, my Vita's been getting most of the love lately, but the N7 is close). Since they are so close in price ($270 vs $300) can we get a camparo between the nVidia Shield and the Nexus 7.2?

    • someone755

      I'd take the Shield. You get a joystick, so it's like a real console + better graphics and processor. Smaller screen, but the smaller the resolution, the better the GPU performs ;)

  • Paul

    Somebody please do a side by side comparison with the current iPad Mini. Price, resolution / ppi, processor, GPU, heh.

    • someone755

      Now now, we don't want to COMPLETELY embarras Apple. :P

  • Idon’t Know

    Still will be grossly outsold by the iPad Mini. There just isn't enough here and upside smartphone apps can't compete with Apple selection of tablet apps. Maybe at least the next Nexus 10 won't be a Samsung made POS.

  • GFXBoy

    ro.opengles.version=196608
    is that OpenGL ES 3.0? :D

    • http://the-jade-domain.com Jaime J. Denizard

      Yes it is. ^.^

  • angel_spain

    I wonder why so much difference in benchmark with the N4. My N4 running the 4.3 leak doesn't bench near 20.000. And I don't think it is a throotling issue since I don't see it in Trickster.

  • Eldorath

    Actually.. during the presentation.. didn't I see that the cpu is clocked at 1.8, and not 1.5??

    • http://the-jade-domain.com Jaime J. Denizard

      No, 1.5GHz, which is 1.8x faster than the old one, according to the slide. Also Hugo totally said 1.4GHz lol

  • http://dylricho.com/ Dylan

    Of course Quadrant will be slightly off. Bare in mind the resolution of this thing. If you could take the resolution down, it would be much better than the Nexus 4. My S4-powered HTC One S gets 6,700.

    • someone755

      And that's with an Adreno 225 GPU! With a qHD screen. Comparing that to my Adreno 220 + 720p Xperia xD

      • http://dylricho.com/ Dylan

        It's pretty good. What did you get with your Xperia?

        • someone755

          A lot less. Can't remember for sure. Though, interesting enough, I got a higher score on CM10 (where video drivers are broken) than on stock (with, as Sony calls it 'working' drivers).
          Even though the 225 is just a slight upgrade to the 220, it still performs a lot better. Plus, the 720p screen of my Xperia kills the 2011 chipset. ;-;

          • http://dylricho.com/ Dylan

            I guess the Krait CPU cores are the main reason here. I assume your 2011 chip has Scorpion cores (S3 Snapdragon?) That's the same as the S3-powered One S (MSM8260) and it scores over 2000 less. Memory bandwidth performance shows a dramatic difference - 12,500 for the S4, 3,500 for the S3. And yeah, the extra pixels are always another factor. :)

  • Kingstee1e

    The latency still seems to be an issue. I have a nexus 7 and find it absolutly useless for music production. I was really hoping they would have fixed it for this new release. I guess I should wait to see what people can do to improve the performance of it for live music use.

  • Ciaran Murray

    looks key! definitely looks as though its worth trading in the old one http://www.versus.com/en/google-nexus-7-(2013)-vs-google-nexus-7-16gb

  • Sivam07

    hi, can i root and enable the nexus 7 3g into a voice-capable device?

  • Michael Pahl

    Points per dollar 3DMark (32gb)

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