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Last Updated: July 24th, 2013

Yesterday's video for the allegedly "new" Nexus 7, widely speculated to be revealed at Google's July 24th event, was a bit low-fi to get the details. Today CNET has a new image, purportedly from the same source, that gives us a clearer image of that specification sticker on the back of the tablet. There's just one new piece of information that we couldn't make out before, under the "Memory" entry: DDR3LM 1600 256M*16.

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For those of you who don't obsessively upgrade your PCs, that's 16 modules of 256MB of DDR3 (fast) RAM each, totaling - wait for it - 4 gigabytes. That's twice as much memory as even the most high-end Android device so far. Of course, this is anything but official: the device in question could be a prototype, or the specification sheet could just be in error. But it's certainly encouraging. RAM is dirt-cheap these days, and there's no technical limitation that would prevent Google or ASUS cramming that much memory into a tablet. The sticker also indicates 32GB of storage.

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Again, I'd like to stress that the above photo is in no way a confirmation of the new Nexus 7 hardware. But since the Nexus line is designed to push Android manufacturing in the direction that Google thinks is necessary, it's not totally out of the question. 2GB is the new standard for flagship hardware, and it won't be too long before even that starts to feel a little cramped, what with crazy high-resolution screens and multi-gigabyte games becoming the norm. We'll be waiting on the July 24th event with bated breath.

Update: As pointed out by Fredrik Yngström in the comments, it turns out the memory nomenclature uses bits instead of bytes, so each stick ends up being 512MB rather than 4GB. The Nexus 7 has 2GB of RAM after all.

Source: CNET

Jeremiah Rice
Jeremiah is a US-based blogger who bought a Nexus One the day it came out and never looked back. In his spare time he watches Star Trek, cooks eggs, and completely fails to write novels.
  • afdaf

    what about the cpu? s4 pro or 600?

    • https://plus.google.com/u/0/108482452903817442299/posts Andrew Bone

      That is the question/deal breaker

    • Anonymous

      Why not Snapdragon 800?

    • Jason Bailey

      APQ8064 thats the S4 pro buddy.

    • lonesomerider

      It's Snappy 600 or 800, APQ8064 is not compatible with DDR3

  • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

    "DAAAAMMMNNNNNNNNNN GINNNAAAAAAAA" - Martin

    • Ryuuie

      ...You just made me upvote you on Guest THEN log in and upvote you on my actual account. THAT is how much I love this comment.

      Martin was such an awesome show. Thanks for the nostalgia. :D

      Oh...we're here for a tablet, aren't we? Uhhh...yay Nexus devices?

      • Liam Higgins

        I literally bought a PC, installed a Linux based OS (because fuck Microsoft and their peasantry), ported Google Chrome to my OS, went to this website, and logged in, just to upvote this comment. :)

        • OldDogeyes

          Just know that Microsoft already got paid by the OEM.. next time build your own if you want to cut Microsoft out...

          Oh yeah ... be careful which Android devices you buy... many mfg's have licensed from Microsoft as well...

  • Roberto Giunta

    My conspiracy theory of the day: This thing can dual boot into Chrome OS and that's why it has so much RAM, we all know that 2GB of RAM isn't enough for a Browser like Chrome to run very smooth. Even the Chromebooks with 2GB RAM aren't running very well.

    • Ryuuie

      I hope your conspiracy theory is true. :D

    • disqus_is_good

      But chrome runs fine on my Windows PC which has 2GB RAM with multiple tabs open.
      Why not chromebooks can run chrome browser well with 2GB RAM?

      • Sean

        Chrome OS, not just the browser.

      • Roberto Giunta

        I never really used one but Jeff Jarvis on "This Week in Google" said that Tabs on his Samsung Chromebook were reloading too often and that it wasn't the smoothest experience overall, even with the Exynos 5 Dual inside it (+ the 2GB DDR3 RAM the thing has)

        • Matthew Fry

          I've seen the same thing. It's a bit sluggish with several tabs open.

        • Kevin N

          I like Jeff but when it comes to tech he is in the weeds

        • FritoDorito

          I don't know about the Samsung Chromebook, but I personally use the Acer C7 Chromebook and I've NEVER had a tab reload on me (the most tabs I've had open was probably about 7 or 8). It has only 2GB of RAM, but in my experience, Chrome OS really barely needs it. I don't know if the ARM processor would make a difference, but the web experience is pretty much flawless on this Chromebook.

      • valapsp

        Not at all. It's the best browser but hogs memory.

      • Brandon Watkins

        I use my Samsung Chromebook everyday, its my secondary device for when i'm not at home. I'm here to tell you can open a hell of a lot of tabs and still be okay. The only problem it really has is videos, its needs lots of work in that subject. I really think the huge thing is optimization. Before the chromebook was a little on the slow side, now through with the constant updates to chrome, it runs pretty fast. For 250$ it very impressive.

    • Steve Freeman

      If so...I hope our friendly dev community comes out with something to remove the Chrome OS crap. I only want pure Android on my tablet!

      • OldDogeyes

        It is obvious that you haven't ever used a Chrome OS device... they are awesome for a 3rd PC... love my Sammy ARM Chromebook... it just works...

        • Steve Freeman

          And that's great. For a Chromebook. This is a 7" tablet, which doesn't come with a keyboard (and I don't plan on USING a keyboard with my tablet).

          • OldDogeyes

            ...

          • OldDogeyes

            You disparaged Chrome OS in it's own right "Chrome OS crap" ... Chrome OS is a very viable alternative to Windows and OS-X for certain types of users. Also, it's too early to tell how well Chrome OS will work with a touch screen. AFAIK there is only one touch screen Chrome OS device.

            People gripe about lack of innovation and now we have the potential of a cool new innovation and you're griping... lol... ...

          • Steve Freeman

            "Chrome OS is a very viable alternative to Windows and OS-X for certain types of users." First, yes, for productivity minded users. If you're trying to use a Nexus 7 for productivity purposes, you're doing it wrong. Second, on the 32GB model, it would be OK-ish, but on the 16GB model, hell no. When I travel with my 16GB Nexus 7 now, I already have to pare down what I'm putting on my tablet. If Chrome OS is on there also taking up even more of the already limited space, and if it's not possible to remove it completely, I would be pissed.

            Also, putting two OS's on a tablet isn't exactly innovative. At best, it's a niche idea, which would only be lightly utilized by most new Nexus 7 owners.

          • OldDogeyes

            Umm... huh? We are talking about the Nexus 7 v2 -- not the one you have now... how would you know how anything works. AFAIK none have showed up in the wild yet...

          • Steve Freeman

            Unless if they make vast changes to the new Nexus 7, as well as Android in general, a 7" tablet is not even close to ideal for productivity of almost any kind. That's how I know. It's great for media consumption, and some gaming, but even with a Bluetooth keyboard productivity is limited by the smaller screen and native resolution/DPI.

          • OldDogeyes

            Your experiences are different than mine ... anything larger than 7 or 8 inches is too big for me. We have two iPad 4's and I hate them.. the N7 is the perfect size...

      • Matthew Fry

        While I salute you in your desire to make the device what you want, it's hard to believe anyone would knowingly remove choices (unless Chrome OS takes up most of the space).

        • Steve Freeman

          Yes, a lot of people may like Chrome OS on a screen that's about half of what Chrome OS was designed to run on. I just happen to not be one of those people.

    • RedPandaAlex

      I'd say it's more likely we're getting multiple apps running simultaneously on tablets.

  • Joon Sunn

    Happy to see 4GB RAM on this device (whatever this device eventually turns out to be). More RAM is an eventuality. On to 8 next!

  • Marc Edwards

    so basically what is being said is that this phone will have higher spec than my laptop. upgrade time much?

    • Andrew

      it's a tablet, not a phone, but yeah, time to upgrade!

  • MagnificentN

    This is why Sundar Pinchal is announcing it , he is the head of Chrome and Android , therefore dualbooting the tablet with Android and Chrome OS Is perfect....

    • Thomas’

      I don't think dualbooting is anything close to "perfect". Dualbooting means you need two half-arsed products, because both of them are not good enough. A little exaggerated on my part.

      • Labrat

        What about the notification API rumors floating around for Android 4.3?
        Couldn't both OS run side by side and share data and notifications?

        And wouldn't 4 gigs of ram only really be needed to run both OS in parallel as 2 gig for Android is currently plenty and 2 gig on Chrome OS is being shipped in many lower end devices?

  • Thomas’

    Flash ram by Kingston. Does anyone know if its better than the ram used in the current Nexus 7?

    • SetiroN

      It's a new 19nm module, which I haven't seen anywhere yet. It could be slightly faster but who knows, it's eMMC 4.5 anyway so don't expect crazy differences.

      • Kansja

        It's a 19nm module = Will wear away faster

  • ModXMV

    How is the quality of the flash controller on this?

    • SetiroN

      It's embedded into the NAND; latest gen Kingston with 19nm chips, should be decent but we're far from good random write performance, we need to ditch the eMMC standard for that to happen.

  • tbealmear

    Two speakers!?! Front facing!? Sign me up!

    • Sean Lumly

      Serious question: where did you notice front-facing speakers?

    • PhoenixPath

      ...where do you see "front facing"?

    • tbealmear

      I guess I should have made it a little clearer... sorry I got excited. I don't see anything specific to front facing. However, since it has two speakers listed I was more so hoping that they would be front facing. *goes back to dark hole*

      • Sean Lumly

        No worries.. I would have been equally excited if I had noticed that :)

  • http://www.anivision.org/ Christopher Bailey (Xcom923)

    4GB I would give up my infinity for 4GB of RAM expecially if there is a 64GB version

  • vegeta

    It is over 9000!!!

  • Alex Vainshtein

    Is Snapdragon S4 Pro compatible with DDR3 memory?

    • SetiroN

      Yes.

  • Sean Lumly

    Wow.. 4GB is as much RAM as my desktop, meaning there is now zero (and I mean zero) reasons why this tablet couldn't run similar workloads (albeit at slightly slower speeds). I just hope that the justification for 4GB isn't to enable software memory bloat -- ahem, Chrome.

  • Fredrik Yngström

    Probably not 4GB, but rather the sticker tells you the device uses 512MB DDR3LM-1600 chips. It does not, however tell you how many of them it uses.

    What you are reading on that label is more likely the arrangement of the memory cells in the chip(s) used in the device. In this case, each chip is 16 bits wide, and holds 256M of these 16 bit arrangements, thus being able to store 512MB (16 bits = 2 bytes, multiplied by 256M).

    Now, depending on the width of the memory bus from the SoC/CPU, a number of these chips must be used in parallel to achieve full bandwidth.
    Without knowing the exact bus width of the chip being used in this device, I'd venture into guessing it's 64 bits wide, as I don't think anyone else has gone to 128 bit width yet, except for Apple, when it comes to Arm. So, with 16 bit wide 512MB chips and a 64 bit wide memory bus from the CPU, we need 4 chips (4x16=64), meaning 2GB (512MBx4) of memory.

  • Sarcasm

    Whaaa?!
    Just 4GB of RAM?
    I expected at least 10GB, with the processor clocked at 800GHz.

    • Sean

      Unfortunately there's currently no battery on the market that can provide the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity required to run that configuration.

      • Donatom3

        That's because in testing those 1.21 gigawatt batteries kept disappearing everytime someone took it with them in their car and hit 80 mph.

        • andy_o

          It's 88. Your nerd credentials have been suspended until further notice.

          • Matthew Fry

            May I approach the bench? ... As Donatom3's lawyer we are requesting a temporary suspension of no more than a week. You may not realize Donatom3's livelihood is based upon his nerd cred (just go with me Don). Please consider that he did get the reference, he just made a mistake. We all make mistakes your honor.

          • Cory_S

            Denied. We have a zero tolerance policy for this kind of thing.

        • Matt

          Jiggawatts*
          That's how it sounds anyway in the movie...

          • Bloodflame87

            In related news, they forgot to include the Flux Capacitor in the spec sheet

      • Jose Torres

        ...WHAT THE HELL IS A GIGAWATT?!?!

  • lensgrabber

    Still no definitive word on a S4 Pro, S600, or S800? Nothing about POGO or 1080p either?

    • http://twitter.com/phonecount StalkyTheFish

      The sticker says WUXGA in the LCD bit. That's 1920x1200, IIRC, which is the 16x10 variant of 1080p. Think of it as full 1080p with room for on-screen buttons in landscape.

  • Jaime

    yesterday news on ign...

    http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/07/17/new-nexus-7-specs-price-possibly-leaked-ahead-of-google-event

    but you are still my favorite Android site AP! ;-)

  • Abhinash Khanal

    Which arm processor is it rocking? If it's still a 32 bit architecture, it cannot support 4GB memory.

    • Bjajjull

      32-bit support up to 4GB. It's probably a Snapdragon S4 Pro or Snapdragon 600.

  • SetiroN

    I am very let down by the probable S4 Pro instead of even a 600, 4GB is overkill for current ARM processors IMO, with maybe the 800 or quad A15s being the exception.

    There is a BUT tho: It'd be very cool to have the whole system copied onto the RAM, with software measures (caching) to overcome the NAND bottleneck. One can always hope.

    • Gnex

      The Snapdragon 600 is just a re-branded S4 Pro with better power consumption.

      • perfectlyreasonabletoo

        Snapdragon 600 is quad-core. S4 Pro is dual-core. Aside from that they're very similar.

        • Gnex

          How about that Nexus 4? lol

        • JeffPowell

          Wrong APQ8064 is a quad core S4 Pro

      • SetiroN

        Not really.

        • Gnex

          Four Krait 300 cores, Adreno 320 GPU. The idea of having a newer SoC just makes spec junkies wet themselves.

          • SetiroN

            The S4 Pro (APQ8064) and the 600 (APQ8064T/AB/Pro) have two different spins of Krait, only the latter has Krait 300 cores and there is a substantial difference in terms of performance, power consumption and achievable frequencies.

            Being a smartass and upvoting your own posts isn't going to make your arguments any less false.

          • Gnex

            Calm down dude I wasn't even talking about you. And no, I'm not upvoting my own posts.

  • http://trapchan.blogspot.com trapchan

    Whoa 7" WUXGA, not bad but not 4:3 :(
    Cmon Google, give me proper 4:3 screen, I want to read books.

    • Thomas’

      Keep it 16:9 / 16:10, i want to watch videos and play games.

      • EH101

        And I can still read books in 16:9... Go figure?

    • ElfirBFG

      I want one with an e-ink rear, so that [i]I[/i] can read books!

      #ridiculousdemands

  • Matthew Fry

    Front and back cameras! This is good news for my wife's school!

  • Jeff

    Hard to be sure, but it looks like the eMMC is KE4CN5B6A with 32GB. Doesn't really tell much, but hopefully this is the lower end model and the options will be 32 & 64GB versions.

  • Lastb0isct

    I'm surprised no one is interested in the storage controller, since that was the issue with the N7. Does anyone have any experience with this storage controller type?

    • perfectlyreasonabletoo

      That was debunked. Storage and/or storage controller isn't an issue in N7, just typical XDA speculation gone wild.