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Dual OS devices featuring Windows 8 and Android are nothing new (if anything, they're becoming more and more common), and Samsung decided it was time to throw its name into the we can do two things at once arena with the just-announce Ativ Q. At its core, the Ativ Q is a 13.3-inch laptop/tablet hybrid, but the real allure here is its insane 275PPI display that runs at a massive 3200x1800 resolution.

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The Q is running on Intel's latest Haswell processor line, though it wasn't clear exactly which model is powering the device. It also packs an S-Pen, and – get this – will allow users to pin Android apps to the Windows 8 desktop. It's unclear if the unit is running some sort of virtualized Android environment (versus a local build, like with ASUS' Transformer Book Trio), though it's probably safe to assume that's the case.

Update: More specs are now available. Here's what the Q is packing:

  • 13.3" 3200x1800 display
  • Intel Core i5 (Haswell)
  • 4GB DDR4L RAM
  • 128GB SSD
  • 720p front-facing camera
  • 9 hour battery life
  • 12.87 x 8.57 x 0.55 inches
  • 2.84 lbs.
  • 1xUSB3.0, 1xUSB2.0, micro HDMI,RJ45 (dongle), HP/Mic combo, SD

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Past that, details were scant, but don't expect this to function as a "real" laptop – it's more of a glorified dual OS tablet with a pop out display and keyboard dock of sorts. Naturally, pricing and availability weren't announced, but we'll be sure to let you know as more details emerge.

Cameron Summerson
Cameron is a self-made geek, Android enthusiast, horror movie fanatic, musician, and cyclist. When he's not pounding keys here at AP, you can find him spending time with his wife and kids, plucking away on the 6-string, spinning on the streets, or watching The Texas Chainsaw Massacre on repeat.

  • Colin Kealty

    Hmm... Maaaaybe... Need more details, I'd say if the price is low enough sure, however I doubt this will be particularly low, that's an impressive screen, plus the processor and plus windows license means for a pretty expensive device.

  • Freak4Dell

    Does the screen part even come off? Depending on specs, and whether it really is running a virtual instance of Android (which means it's really running Windows in tablet mode, this could be really interesting. Then again, I don't want to give my money to Samsung, so what do I care?

    • Roberto Giunta

      It's because your nerd senses are tingling ;) Happens with me, too.

      And no, I don't think the display/screen can come off. Look at that thing, it's only a display without any parts in it. Although that hybrid seems so thin/light that you won't really notice any additional bulge if you use it in "tablet mode".

      • Freak4Dell

        Yeah, it does look pretty thin. I'd be more worried about weight, though. My current laptop is pretty light, but I wouldn't want it resting on my hand for long periods of time.

        Somebody will eventually get this things just right. Asus almost did, but their tablet portion doesn't run Windows, so it's not for me.

  • http://turbofool.com Jarrett Lennon Kaufman

    "but don't expect this to function as a "real" laptop"

    Why not? It's Haswell-based, well-specced, insane screen, convertible... It seems like it's in the Lenovo Yoga range in concept. Why shouldn't I consider it a "real" laptop? Or at least a "real" Ultrabook? This looks spectacular.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Cameron Summerson

      Spec-wise, it's on par with a laptop. I was referring to the funky form factor, which doesn't seem all that usable to me. The lack of an adjustable display is a deal-breaker - it just doesn't seem very practical or ergonomic.

      • http://turbofool.com Jarrett Lennon Kaufman

        The stand seems to have some adjustment room to it to me. The "floating" example implies to me there's a lot of wiggle room. It certainly seems more usable in range than the Surface.

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Cameron Summerson

          Maybe so. My initial reaction is to think that it's going to be awkward, but I could be wrong. Then again, I think the display nudged directly against the keyboard is weird in the first place.

          • Samuel Horne

            I have to agree. It's just downright awkward, exactly like the Microsoft Surface. I should be able to decide what angle I want my screen at for typing.

          • Justin Foster

            A more proper statement would have been, "It functions just like a laptop, besides the unconventional design." It's really a matter of preference.

            As far as functionality; I mean, it's even seen using Office in the screenshots. It doesn't seem to be lacking in that department. I just wonder how it'll fair with gaming.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Cameron Summerson

            I tend to think that a laptop's design plays a large part in how it functions. If this can't work on a lap (much like Surface), then I can't say it's much of a laptop.

          • Justin Foster

            Rofl, come on that is such a beat-around!!! We'll call it a Tabtop then. Functions pretty good on table tops and it's the combo of a tablet and laptop :D

          • Freak4Dell

            I don't think Surface was ever touted as a laptop, though, right?

            I agree with you that not being able to adjust the angle is a poor design choice.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Cameron Summerson

            Nope, it wasn't.

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Cameron Summerson

          I watched a couple of hands-on videos, and unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. Looks like it will only work (well, at least) in the four pre-defined positions. That sucks.

          • Justin Foster

            Hmm.....bad Samsung. They should have made the screen more flexible and detachable...I dunno if this is a dealbreaker or not for me though...

          • PhilNelwyn

            Well, I watched a couple hands-on videos too, and while the inclination of the screen is limited compared to a "regular" laptop, it's certainly not restricted to 4 positions.

    • Casin

      An important point is that this Q is not a dual boot device. It runs Android simultaneously like how one would switch back and forth between desktop in Metro in Windows 8.

  • thtechnologist

    Seeing as it supports Win 8 and not RT, how would it not be a "real" laptop? If they can stay in Vaio DUO 13 pricing territory, this may be my next.

    • TylerChappell

      You'll have to forgive the author's shortsighted, naïve point-of-view, and being so quick to dismiss it without even having used it. But this appears to be a direct copy of Acer's similiar "floating" design with the Aspire R7. But this is what we know Samsung to be best at, spending ad dollars, and copying the competition. I do love them for throwing all those colors out there though before the iPhone 5S drops in the fall, lol.

      • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Cameron Summerson

        Forgive my shortsighted, naive point of view? It's pretty clear that Samsung designed this with four primary usable positions, which means it's not going to function as like a laptop. Sure, it will be as powerful as one, but the overall design is still that of a tablet with a slide-out keyboard, something like the ASUS Eee Pad Slider from a couple of years ago.

        • http://www.modminecraft.com/ Nick Coad

          I still can't wrap my head around what you mean by "function" when you say it won't function like a laptop. For every valid definition of the word I can't see why this device would not be considered to provide the same functionality of a laptop. You keep talking about the four predefined screen positions as though that is somehow relevant to its ability to be able to function as a laptop - provided one of the screen positions is similar to the default angle most people tend to sit their laptop at (and one is), what's the problem?

          Edit: to put this another way, what specific functionality are you talking about that this particular device doesn't serve, and what is it about that functionality that has made you decide that it is a requirement before something can be considered "functionally" a laptop?

          • TylerChappell

            I think what he really means is that it will just be "awkward" to most people at first because of how close the screen is to the keyboard in the position that most closely resembles a laptop, but that in no way means that this device wouldn't be able to function as a laptop. It probably offers much better "laptop" functionality than any big, cumbersome 17.3" laptop.

          • Jordan

            He is referring to the fact that with fixed positions for the screen, you have fixed positions that you can use the device, unlike a laptop that can be used in many different positions optimally because the screen can be tilted in any position from almost closed to (in some models) almost 180 degrees.

  • Sean Lumly

    Dual OS can only mean one thing -- Android's invasion onto notebooks...

  • didibus

    So, does it Dual Boot into Android? Or is it only Windows running a Android VM? Because every laptop can be made into the latter.

    • Cory_S

      It's a VM..but from the videos I'm seeing on youtube it's far faster than any VM I've seen before.

  • Samuel Horne

    First off, having an adjustable screen is a must for any productivity/extended use. When I write, I tend to adjust my position fractionally throughout any extended writing with a keyboard, so adjusting the screen is a must to avoid glare and reflections. Secondly, the tablet side of it then becomes bulky because of the extra depth associated with the keyboard, making it heavier/bulkier to hold. Essentially I see it as a jack of all trades, king of none.

  • vasras

    At 1.3 kg it's not a tablet, it's a draglet.

    • Leif Sikorski

      Doesn't matter much at that size. Even 10" Tablets get mostly used on the legs or table. 7-8" (book size) = mobile tablet, everything bigger is made for the desk or couch.

      • Travis Jennings

        A really light 10" tablet is the fundamentally correct direction for tablets. Job site reference, contract signatures, movies, magazines, all better on a light 10"

        I agree this is a draglet.

    • identity

      How much does the 13inch Macbook Air weight? Oh right, it weights 1.35kg.

      • Stacey

        How is that comparable? You're generally not holding an ultrabook up with one hand.

        • thtechnologist

          It is comparable because it also has a keyboard. This isn't "just a tablet" it is another class of device, it's closer to a laptop than anything.

      • http://www.modminecraft.com/ Nick Coad

        Bear with me here: the Macbook Air is not a tablet.

  • GraveUypo

    it's not nearly powerful enough to do anything that would justify that screen resolution.
    i don't get these tablets at all...

    • Rovex

      i5 Haswell not powerful enough? Really?? Sure its only got intel graphics, but even that is quite enough if the application can use quicksync, which slaughters anything nVidia or AMD have for video processing. Gaming? Maybe not, but who really games on these devices anyway?

      • GraveUypo

        can you read? it's not powerful enough to do anything that WOULD JUSTIFY THAT SCREEN RESOLUTION.

        it's crap for working with video / image / CGI or any other complex software, which is what that resolution would be useful for. it doesn't matter which cpu it has if it only has 4gb of ram and shitty integrated graphics. for all the other stuff which this would be plenty, there's no use for the resolution. gaming? this probably struggles to run anything at 720p, let alone this resolution. it's not even worth mentioning.

        • sguyx

          bad for you then!

          i have a zenbook with hd4000 (plus gt650 which is turned off) and i have been doing real work for six months in a real life. Okay, it has 8gb ram and 256gb ssd, but come on! for most of us new i5 is enough, hd4400 is enough, 128gb ssd is enough, 4gb memory is enough. if you need special tools for special work, then you need to buy a device suitable for this kind of job. you cant expect to get it all on every time with new devices!

          If the device is now around 1800 euros (?), which would be a quite high prize, what would you expect it to be with these special extra stuff you need or want? better graphics +200 euros? more memory +200 euros? bigger ssd +200 euros? i7 +300 euros? and finally you need a better battery +100 euros? and most of the extra stuff would be waste of money for most of the buyers anyway. of course we want more and better, but we wont pay for it - get it!? most of us wont pay for these cool extra hardware. it would be a suicide for the company to put too much on high prize, because only small dedicated group would be the only marketing area then.

    • Stacey

      I don't think you get the point of these high resolutions… They are not there to add any additional working space. They are there to make text and images clearer. At 3200x1800, the device will probably give you 1600x900 (exactly half) of working space, and then scale everything up 200%. It's dragging performance down but it's making a common task on these devices…reading (webpages, books, whatever)…a pleasure.

      • GraveUypo

        what you said is what one would expect this to be for, but that pic up there is actually showing off the bigger workspace with tons of browser windows open...

        anyway, it's too early for this high a res on such a small panel imo, specially in the laptop formfactor. 2560x1440 would be more reasonable and would still have pretty much the same "holy fuck this is sharp" effect for reading.

        • Stacey

          No matter what Samsung shows, you can just go into settings in Windows and force scaling yourself… and bam… you have ultra sharp 1600x900.

          Yes a full 3200x1800 of working space would still be sharp, but everything would be too damn small to really use on that screen, especially with touch.

  • Christopher Robert

    hope this means Samsung is releasing the sPen functions for stock android 4.2.2

    • Rovex

      Pointless if you dont have the hardware.

      • jammer

        Not pointless if you want to run CyanogenMod on your Samsung note device.

  • http://www.bordersweather.co.uk/ Andy J

    Engadget showed an interesting feature - you switch to Android from a Windows Icon on the "TIFKAM" screen and in Android when you press and hold an app icon in the app tray you are presented with an option to "pin to windows" (Google+ was used as an example) sure enough a G+ icon was visible on the TIFKAM screen.

  • velija cohodar

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C06AcAHJ4-s

    android central guys did a hands on at the event if anyone wants to see how the dual function switching works

  • sguyx

    Well, im using Galaxy Note 10.1 3G as my phone and tablet, and having an external keyboard and a mouse, i use this much more than my new Zenbook. I love the combination of note 10.1. So for me Ativ Q sounds almost perfect - yes, almost! - if only t was also capable to make calls and had 3/4G. Then it would be a perfect device for doing everything at any time. Probably it is asked too much ;( 13.3" device with a pen and all these three possibilities (win, android and a phone) inside would be so awesome and must have!

    Althought this device sounds so cool to have, im not probably buying it. 1800 euros is too much because i already own a Zenbook and Note 10.1 3G devices. If it only worked as a phone too, then it would be number one purchase in a category "everything you need to own". So i think im waiting, who is going to be the first manufacturer to make the perfect device: win, android, phone and a having a pen! Will it be Samsung itself (i hope so!) or is Asus going to knock out Samsung by some kind of Padphone? Maybe someone else?

    Well, we will see it! Atleast Ativ Q is opening new competitions and makes the game more interesting! Can't wait to see more!!

  • Norizan Hassan

    I am interested to purchase the Samsung ATIV Q but I have a question. Can I make a phone call with this device ? Thanks.

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