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Jun
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We have all been anxiously awaiting news of a successor to the Nexus 7, which is now a year old. Google I/O came and went with no announcement, leaving everyone a bit deflated. Now some regulatory filings appear to offer the first peek at what Google and Asus have up theirs sleeves for a new Nexus 7.

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The Bluetooth SIG includes a small image of what is apparently the new Asus-made N7, but from the front it's just a generic black rectangle. The product description is interesting, though.


This tablet features a 7” LED-backlit capacitive multitouch screen for easy carrying and fantastic multi-media experience everywhere. It is enpowered by Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 Quad-core CPU with the highest performance. Wireless networking ensures simple connection to the Internet without wires.

The Bluetooth filing lists K009 as the model number, which is the same identifier used in an FCC filing also floating around this morning. This has a little more data, but not all of it matches. We clearly see the Nexus branding used as a marketing name, so it's fairly certain this is not simply a random Asus tablet. Strangely, the FCC filing lists the APQ-8064 as the ARM variant in the device. That is a Snapdragon S4 Pro, not the 600 indicated by the Bluetooth SIG. It's not clear what this inconsistency could point to. Also in the FCC document we see both front and back cameras, a 4000mAh battery, and probably LTE support.

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We might be getting close, folks. Fingers crossed.

[Liliputing, Bluetooth SIG, Thanks, Adam Lange]

Ryan Whitwam
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  • Stephen

    Why the hate for Antarctica?

  • TY

    What if the next Nexus phone will be Intel-powered with x86 architecture...released together with Android 5.0 which is also optimized for x86? And the big tablet will be powered by Tegra 4.

  • Sean Lumly

    YES!! A rear facing camera! I hope that it is of a decent quality. I really wish there was a premium version of the N7 to complement the existing budget version. I would easily pay double for maxed out specs.

    • https://plus.google.com/106721695871122826476/posts?hl=en Aja Hemphill

      As long as you aren't using it to actually take pictures. People talk about Google Glass looking awkward but I contend that seeing people taking pictures with tablets is by far the most socially unacceptable faux pas one can do in the tech realm.

      • Sean Lumly

        I use my Nexus 10 to take pictures all the time. I'm very comfortable with myself and not terribly interested in the passing judgement of others. It's basic confidence and likely one of the reasons I have a model for a wife.

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

          I'm sure you're real fun at parties.

          • Sean Lumly

            Hahaha... I can seem to be a dick (I will be the first to admit it)... But I never, ever belittle others..

        • Sir_Brizz

          More like just inconsiderate of others. Holding up a giant 10" door for people to not be able to look through is just rude.

          • Sean Lumly

            Really? Why would this be a common problem? There are many other situations in which to take photos than in crowded areas.

        • Mastermind26

          Because carrying a phone in your pocket is so cumbersome?

        • Scott

          "It's basic confidence and likely one of the reasons I have a model for a wife. (Charm, wit, and wealth probably also play into that somewhat)"

          Instant douche.

          Seriously, who says that about themselves?

          • Sean Lumly

            Me. It's important to share the idea (especially with men) that being confident is a thing to be shared not to be ashamed of and that it's an expression of self-comfort and competence. Too many people confuse confidence with belligerence and get their "strength" by putting others down.

          • andy_o

            Someone who most likely is trying to convince themselves, more than others. Yup, instant douche.

  • Ryuuie

    NVIDIA processors seem to get crappier with time, not better. The Tegra 3 has been in the Nexus 7 for a year and it's already sluggish for some people.

    Though, 4.2 didn't really help.

    Also, from what I've heard, Snapdragon S4 Pro is a LOT easier to custom develop for than anything NVIDIA puts out.

    Also, the S4 Pro's GPU is pretty damn good on my Nexus 4.

    • TheDrizzle

      That is true, the Nexus 4 is super fast. But I have really enjoyed the Tegra 3 on my N7, I do think a lot of the lag is from 4.2. But with Seeder installed I have no complaints.

      • Simon Belmont

        I've enjoyed the Tegra 3 on my N7, too. No complaints for web browsing, gaming, videos, or anything.

        I notices some lag when Android 4.2 first came out, but Android 4.2.2 pretty much cleared that up. It was like using Android 4.1 again, at least for my N7.

    • Sean Lumly

      For what it's worth: I have found that on my N7 some apps were poor performing, and replacing them has made a ton of difference, as well as other easy tweaks.

      For one, I have gotten rid of the stock launcher and replaced it with Nova Launcher (no more random reloading). I have also replaced Chrome Beta with Dolphin Beta (which is extremely smooth). I have disabled Google Maps and any other app that refuses to cache after it loses focus. I have also wiped my cache partition (and erased app cache), and have at least 2GB free (which seems to improve things for the Nexus 7 oddly). My tablet is very, very responsive with these changes, and a pleasure to use. Without them, it was extremely frustrating.

      • TheDrizzle

        Yes, making sure you have greater than ~1GB of internal memory keeps it fast. Apparently there is a problem with Asus memory that causes extreme(!) lag when you are below a certain threshold of memory, usually around 1GB.

        • Sean Lumly

          Indeed! I'm not sure why that is... It's the strangest thing...

        • Simon Belmont

          I think people were having that issue originally with the 16GB version. It was different from the 8GB and 32GB NAND.

          Either way, I think one of the updates mitigated that issue. I vaguely remember reading that somewhere (probably here).

      • dhruva

        please recommend..

    • a.d.AM

      My N7 is lag city all the way. I cant wait for this to drop.

  • https://plus.google.com/106721695871122826476/posts?hl=en Aja Hemphill

    it's not using an S4 Pro though, right? It's using the new Snapdragon 600 chipset (1.9 GHz Krait 300 quad-core CPU, Adreno 320 GPU). Even if the Tegra is a little better at this point, I would say that snapdragons are in more devices at this point and you are more likely to get your game optimized for it and released quicker for Qualcom devices.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      BT SIG says S600, FCC says S4 Pro.

      • https://plus.google.com/106721695871122826476/posts?hl=en Aja Hemphill

        Let's hope for 600. Call me petty but I'd hate to buy a brand-new tablet and have a year old processor powering it...

        • Bloodflame87

          In either case, both carry the Adreno 320, so gaming performance would be the same regardless of the CPU. Also, the S4 Pro is still pretty damn respectable, as it just flies with the N4 and other current devices. Sure, the 600 is a nice choice too, heck - why not throw in an 800?! To bottom line is, this is definitely an upgrade over the current N7 offering, and Google needs to shut up and take my money already! If I had to guess, I'd say it will have at least 2GB DDR3 (if not more) and the screen will be 1080p. Now Google, listen closely: we love our storage - give us 64GB and 128GB options! (also because we know you won't give us the microSD option)

    • TheDrizzle

      Depends on which filing you believe. The FCC says S4, the Bluetooth says 600. I had heard S4 first, but I guess we don't know for sure. My main point is that it is not the Tegra 4.

  • Floris

    What's interesting though: on the first source link you can see the tablet has been filed as an horizontal tablet http://liliputing.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/n7-fcc.jpg

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Indeed. It would be a bit of a shocker to me if Google markets it horizontally - I can't stand using the N7 in landscape.

      • Sean Lumly

        At the very least, it should retain its portrait/landscape functionality, and the camera appears (from the picture) to be on the top.

        If the back logo were landscape, it wouldn't be too tragic.

      • PhineasJW

        I never use my N7 in landscape.

        And, a Snapdragon S4 would be a pretty disappointing cpu to launch with at this point. It should be a Snapdragon 600.

        • Andrew

          Odd that one states the Snapdragon 600 and the other states Snapdragon S4 Pro

        • mechapathy

          The S4 pro and the 600 are more or less equivalent. The largest major differences are clock speed (1.7GHz vs 1.9GHz), and memory bandwidth and speed. They're the same chips with the same amounts of cache on board. You're only gonna see the difference in a benchmark, and not the real world.

          EDIT: The CPU listing shows the model number for the S4 Pro (APQ-8064), not the model number for the 600 (APQ-8064T)

      • Simon Belmont

        Weird. I use mine in landscape pretty often. Especially if it's leaning against something so that I can read articles on a website or watch a video while sitting down at a table.

        I'd still say I use it in portrait slightly more than landscape though. Maybe about 60/40? Either way, to each his/her own. I find both orientations to be useful.

        • Danny Kees

          Landscape for me every time. I can't stand portrait.

    • lorenz

      Have you ever seen a horizontal tablet with cam on side? So calm down and hope for a nexus 10 or 8 Form asus
      Greets Form Germany

  • siddharthbandhu

    Tegra's pathetic. Rumors of Google ditching Tegra have been floating since months.

    Snapdragon all the way.

  • Zach Mauch

    Chances that the package shipped to Google Glass owners is the new nexus 7 have now officially risen. In my opinion, this is where I would put it.

    Was: 5%
    Now: 30%

    Honestly though, wouldn't that be an amazing way to announce a new product and OS update (4.3)? Just send it off and let people discover things for themselves. Then a few days later after blog posts and partial reviews have gone viral give the official press release.

  • Danny Kees

    Please have front facing speakers like the nexus 10. That's really my only gripe with the my 7.

    • Sean Lumly

      This. Front facing speakers are really great. It would also be nice to be able to boost the volume in software. Some media is so quiet on my N7 that it requires a very quiet room, or headphones.

  • stevee

    I would like it to have heptic feedback like the Nexus 4 so I know when I've made a press.

    • Daniel DS

      Actually haptic feedback uses a lot of power from the battery so I'd skip that, not a must

      • bloomtronzero

        I disagree. That haptic feedback is pretty great, and you really miss it when it's gone. I have a Galaxy Tab 1 10.1, and when I installed an early 4.2.2 CM port on it, the stock keyboard didn't work and I started using Hacker's Keyboard in its place. That keyboard lacked haptic feedback at the time, and man did I miss it. I'd make far more mistakes, and generally be less comfortable. I'll gladly take the battery hit. Those that don't like it can easily disable it.

  • Kenton Douglas

    The Tegra 4 isn't very power efficient from what I've read. Wouldn't be ideal for a 7" tablet. The 4i (with it's software defined radio) would have been ideal, but it won't be ready until next year. Nvidia look like they have problems.

  • Bob G

    Because it is true.

  • Matthew Fry

    The Mali in the Nexus 10 is quite the workhorse too.

    • Joshua Hill

      Mali's been behind the eightball for a while. Here's hoping they step up their game.

  • http://twitter.com/phonecount StalkyTheFish

    What is this strange black magic!

  • heat361

    I think I see smaller bezels lol

  • Sriraj G

    Snapdragon's good.. But it cant bring out the effect of tegra.. That too tegra 4 ..needn't say

  • HerX

    That's not for you, but for ppl who have to approve it ;)

  • Bruno Castañares

    Es una mierda, eso es!

  • Mystery Man

    4000 mah battery lame

    • Sean Lumly

      I would have preferred the battery actually get larger. If this was done for weight/thickness, in my opinion it wasn't necessary. I have the very thin Nexus 10, and the thicker Nexus 7, and to me the difference in thickness is irrelevant.

      One can only hope that the Snapdragon 600, screen, and other aspects are more efficient, yielding better battery life, despite the capacity reduction.

  • Zach Mauch

    So I did a little color work on this picture and found what I believe to be the edge of screen/beginning of the bezzel. I've also added the original nexus 7 with equalized screen size for comparison.

    • Bloodflame87

      cool story bro

    • Sean Lumly

      Awesome work! Smaller bezels/devices (IMO) are a very good thing and should make the device a hair more pocketable, though I do prefer the vertical symmetry of the original N7 (if your picture indeed reflects a slightly smaller top bezel).

      • bloomtronzero

        I don't think it is showing a smaller top bezel, just the softkey/navbar area making it look that way.

        • Sean Lumly

          The original image screen outline seemed to show a bit of a vertically offset screen. Though Zach Mauch has updated the latest.

    • Zach Mauch

      I reworked it. I think this one is a little bit more accurate.

  • Sven Joy

    Please don't be that good, i don't want to spend money on another tablet.

  • RaviShah

    And i know what my next tablet will be

  • Nexus7Forum.com

    I'm not convinced this is the Nexus 7. it could easily be the Asus MemoPad HD (7 inch) in one and the MemoPad FHD 10 (10inch) in the other...which would explain the horizontal labeling and Asus logo but no Nexus logo. Both are Asus Memo Pads that were introduced at the recent Computex and the processors match what was unveiled at Computex. The MemoPad FHD 10 comes in two varieties...Wifi and LTE. The LTE comes with the Snapdragon S4 Pro like the filing above...and it looks just like this tablet with the Asus logo horizontal. The Bluetooth Sig of the 7 inch tablet could easily be the Memo Pad HD 7 inch tablet also introduced at Computex.

    • Nexus7Forum.com

      Here is a link to a cnet article about the MemoPad FHD 10 which looks an awful like the picture above. http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/asus-memo-pad-fhd/4505-3126_7-35782641.html

      The 7 inch version...the Asus MemoPad HD could be the 7 incher above as well. the K009 designation could be for MemoPad. As far as the Nexus designation...that's what's hanging me up, but I do know that Samsung called either its Galaxy Note 10.1 or Galaxy Tab 10.1 (one of them I remember) a Nexus as well in an FCC filing so perhaps it's a similar chipset thing or something.

      It's possible it's the Nexus 7...just seems odd the label placement would be horizontal and the chipset seems to be not the 'latest and greatest' which is what you'd expect.

      • Nexus7Forum.com

        Also, original Nexus 7 and Nexus 7 3G had model # ME370T and TG. K009 doesn't sound like a sequel to it. I would expect something along the lines of ME***T. Finally if you look at the FCC pics of the original Nexus 7 it is shown in portrait mode with the FCC sticker being put on the bottom. Decidedly different than what is being shown here. Here, take a look. http://liliputing.com/2012/10/asus-me370tg-hits-the-fcc-meet-the-3g-nexus-7.html

        • ercl

          What about the Asus K008? There's a 7-inch and a 10-inch K008, both with landscape labeling. God, this is confusing.
          http://www.androidauthority.com/7-inch-asus-k008-android-4-3-jelly-bean-tablet-spotted-bluetooth-sig-224452/

          • Nexus7Forum.com

            Yes, that is what I'm saying. On the fcc paperwork you'll notice the full device name says MSQK009. MSQ is what all Memopads have been called. The original Memopad 7 was MSQK001. Nexus 7 on the otherhad uses ME### as the model format. So this an Asus Memopad FHD 10. and Memopad hd. Neither is the Nexus 7.

          • Nexus7Forum.com

            The original Nexus 7 had device is ME370T. The 3g version was ME370TG. We'll know we're looking at the new Nexus 7 when we see a device following this naming convention. Something like ME470T etc. What we see above in this article are the two new Memo Pads that Asus introduced during computed. Not the new Nexus 7. Sorry folks.

  • Joshua Hill

    I for one wont miss developer exclusive titles that are not optimised for tegra. They run just as well on competing hardware but they lock it out anyway. I own lots of nvidia products. They provide good performance but their exclusive deals are bad for everybody that likes gaming!

  • Nexus7Forum.com

    This an Asus Memopad tablet, not the Nexus 7. If you look at the fcc site, the device id it says MSQK009. MSQ is the Memopad prefix. Check out past Memopads and you will see. Nexus 7 models start with ME###, not MSQ.

  • Nomaan

    No offense but exynos galaxy s2 and s3 plays every game better than tegra 3. Even tegra exclusive games work at higher frame rate on mali 400mp4 with all the additional effects using chainfire 3d or some file edits.

  • SetiroN

    No snapdragon 800? :(

  • Stacey

    The Tegra 4 has an 8W TDP. It's better suited for 10 inch tablets.

  • TylerChappell

    Based on the timespan of events, I am sure it was probably to originally include the S4 Pro, but then they decided not to announce it at I/O in order to have time to revise it with the new Snapdragon 600. But when you think of when the Tegra 3 was first released with the Transformer Prime, and with the Nexus 7 arriving 6 months later with the same Tegra 3, the S4 Pro matches up fairly consistently, but more than likely, I am expecting it to have the new Snapdragon 600.

  • BreadedVirus

    Any idea on how much RAM it's going to come with? I think 974MB of ram was kind da small for a tablet like the Nexus 7.

  • BreadedVirus

    Any idea how much RAM it's going to come with? I think 974MB of RAM was kinda small for a tablet like the Nexus 7.

  • Nexus7Forum.com

    I'm curious to see what the back material/finish will be like and if it'll differ from the original Nexus 7.

    • Nexus7Forum.com

      Also, will we get an HDMI out?

  • Evaris

    The GPU on the Snapdragon 600 is supposed to be about as strong as that in the Tegra 4i or slightly faster.

  • Andrew T Roach

    The GPU in the S4 Pro is the same Adreno 320 found in the S600 and is basically on equal footing with the iPhone.

    In fact the improved Adreno 320 GPU is the biggest difference between the S4 Pro and the older Dual core Krait performance wise.

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