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With the announcement of the two leading-edge Android smartphones, the HTC One and Galaxy S4, in new "Nexus User Experience" editions, there really is only one remaining question: are you going to buy one?

The Nexified software experience has been something I've seen internet commenters clamoring for since the day I started writing for Android Police. And yet, somehow I feel pretty confident saying that these phones will fail to gain much traction outside a small, hardcore group of enthusiasts.

For years now, there has been basically non-stop negativity from Android fans about the proliferation of OEM software skins. They're ugly. They compromise performance. They ruin battery life. They make babies cry. Unfortunately for those who complain most loudly, though, many of those things are simply not true anymore, or are much less true than they were two years ago. Sense 5 and TouchWiz Nature UX 2.0 are arguably the most refined OEM software skins out there, and both of them are surprisingly enjoyable to use. In fact, I prefer either to the stock Android experience, personally. Both skins offer more features than stock Android, a gap that continues to widen with each passing iteration.

This, frankly, is what turns me off the Nexus User Experience devices. They don't add anything (well, more usable storage - that much is true). They actually just take a lot of stuff away. The HTC One NUE, for example, will lose the following: all HTC camera features (which is many), FM radio, the ability to toggle Beats Audio mode (it's just stuck on), IR blaster functionality, BlinkFeed (which I personally quite like), and all of the numerous Sense-specific settings and configuration options. Many of these things are a given, of course, for a device that runs stock Android. I'm not saying they're surprises, either - far from it. They're inherent consequences.

But it really is far from clear that these compromises are actually worth enduring. And those compromises will be even greater for the Galaxy S4, a device whose most ardent fans cling to its arsenal of software features as its defining triumph.

The one real benefit? Google controls the OS updates, meaning they'll come much faster. There's an unlocked bootloader, though, you say - that means ROMs, kernels, and all sorts of flashing galore! Well, HTC will happily sell you a One with Sense that has an unlocked bootloader already. For the same price. And Samsung will be offering developer editions of the Galaxy S4 that will ship with unlocked bootloaders as well.

So, after years of waiting for what many have proclaimed the holy grail of Android hardware - true high-end phones running stock Android, are you actually prepared to drop over $600 for the privilege? Or has the landscape changed enough now that the vanilla experience has lost its allure? Let your feelings be known in the poll, and the comments below.

Are going to (or if outside the US, will / would you) purchase one of the new HTC / Samsung Nexus User Experience phones?

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David Ruddock
David's phone is an HTC One. He is an avid writer, and enjoys playing devil's advocate in editorials, imparting a legal perspective on tech news, and reviewing the latest phones and gadgets. He also doesn't usually write such boring sentences.

  • Tommy Thompson

    I'm going to wait and see what XDA does with them and their AT&T/Tmobile equivalents first.

  • Jake

    I'm not sure, the HTC appeals to me very much, but I'd like to see what the next Nexus device has to give us before I take the plunge.

    Who knows who's making the next Nexus device? It could even be HTC or Motorola.

  • Justin Winker

    I wouldn't purchase a high-end device sold with features from an overlay basically rommed with AOSP because, as you point out, you lose a lot of features. I also like the new Sense 5 - it's smooth, looks better than AOSP I think, and, IMO, faster than the S4's Touchwiz.

  • Nicktrance

    If they were available in my country I would consider them, but it doesn't really matter much considering i'd still root and flash a custom ROM...

  • http://callumtaylor.net/ Callum Taylor

    I don't know why someone would buy a HTC or Samsung device from Google, when you can buy a Nexus for pretty much half the price

    • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

      Because the HTC ONE is superior in every single aspect? Perhaps. And S4 is better in every aspect but design.

    • Ronnie B Reiff

      The S4 has Better camera, micro SD, better battery life, faster processor, and a better display. These factors might not be big to some people but some people prefer them.

  • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

    I'm surprised and the amount of people answering no after complaining so much that OEMs sold phones with skinned android only. The new Nexus is going to be, probably, a low cost device just like the Nexus 4, with a lot compromises.

    Last year many of us would've been happy with an HTC ONE X running stock Android, this year we have an HTC ONE and a Galaxy S4 and we're not buying them? Whatever guys, if you represent the market in any way this idea of offering stock Android will die next year.

    • Mike

      It's the same story over and over again. Incessant whining about stock Android, locked bootloaders, and chest pounding about paying full retail for it, but when it comes time to put up the $$, no one is willing to.

      • TOMMMMMM

        Honestly, I'd get an HTC One Google Edition if it weren't for the capacitive buttons. I've used a Galaxy Nexus and now a Nexus 4 and really love the onscreen buttons and their customizability with custom ROM's.

        • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

          Nothing is stopping you from enabling on screen buttons in a custom ROM, on-screen button don't offer any advantage, including the fact that to get that kind of Nexus experience you just need to sacrifice for no reason a part of your screen.

          • TOMMMMMM

            For myself, I don't consider it a sacrifice to my screen real estate. TBH, I'm not really a fan of 16:9 and having on screen buttons present creates around a 16:10 aspect ratio. Also, I would be bothered with the capacitive buttons being there while I use the on screen buttons.

            I've used both capacitive, physical (ala GS3), and on screen and much prefer the latter. I might be making an unfair assumption, but it seems like people who haven't used a device with on screen buttons think they are a waste of space and that capacitive is better.

          • Wayne Peterkin

            they are. I have an optimus g and with the custom ROM I can enable or disable the capacitive buttons and when they are off you can't see them. but yeah they were taking up screen realestate. my brother has the nexus 4 and his screen looks smaller than mine because of the on screen buttons

          • squiddy20

            That's just stupid. The space taken up by the on screen buttons replaces the space taken up by the capacitive buttons. They take up basically the same amount of space. The kicker? Under certain apps, the buttons totally disappear (like with MX Player) giving you giving you the entire screen for watching videos. The same cannot be said of capacitive buttons, which never go away and do not rotate with the orientation of the phone.

            Also, with Paranoid Android's PIE controls, and CM's own implementation of the same feature, there's even more screen real estate.

          • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

            "That's just stupid. The space taken up by the on screen buttons replaces the space taken up by the capacitive buttons. They take up basically the same amount of space."

            Oh really? That's cute, care to back it up with empirical evidence? Because the Nexus 4 doesn't have the highest (and is closer to the average) ratio of screen area per phone area, even the Optimus G... the same phone with hardware buttons... has a higher ratio. And this is without even discussing the fact that the size of the screen alone doesn't determine the amount of content, the resolution is a much more relevant variable, and you're sacrificing space for nothing.

            "he kicker? Under certain apps, the buttons totally disappear (like with MX Player) giving you the entirescreen for watching videos."

            Oh, you mean like any phone with hardware button does all the time? That's remarkable!

            "Also, with Paranoid Android's PIE controls, and CM's own implementation of the same feature, there's even more screen real estate."

            This is not a real argument, because well, you can use PIE with hardware buttons, it doesn't make sense though, although it improves the situation in the N4 and GNex regarding how the screen its used the experience of using PIE is just... shitty, you could never sell it by default in a phone.

            "Finally, enabling on screen buttons on a phone that has capacitive buttons is not only redundant, but totally ridiculous as you would then be sacrificing a part of your screen for no reason."

            I agree, but is just as absurd as using on-screen buttons in your phone, you're just reproducing the idiotic experience of on-screen buttons.

          • squiddy20

            Go ahead and show me where I stated the Nexus 4 specifically, or any phone for that matter, has the "highest ratio of screen per area per phone area". I'm waiting.

            The Optimus G is not "the same phone with hardware buttons" in comparison to the Nexus 4. Yes, they have the same screen, but they have different physical dimensions. A blind person could figure that out. That's what makes your statement of the Optimus G having the larger ratio true, and invalidates this other nonsense. If they were "the same phone", they'd have the same ratio, no?

            "Oh, you mean like any phone with hardware button does all the time?" No. Because as I said above, they don't disappear. They don't move. They're totally static and unchangeable.

            "This is not a real argument, because well, you can use PIE with hardware buttons, it doesn't make sense though" So then, why did you suggest to Tommmmmm that he do basically the very same thing? Hypocritical much?

          • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

            Ok, I'm gonna slow down, because it seems like even the slightest mathematization of an idea can be complicated for people.

            You said: ""That's just stupid. The space taken up by the on screen buttons replaces the space taken up by the capacitive buttons. They take up basically the same amount of space."

            This statement is true if and only if phones with on-screen buttons got a higher ratio of screen are by phone area, i.e. what I said is just a formalization of the idea that on-screen buttons allow you to fit a bigger screen in the same space.

            Then I said: "Because the Nexus 4 doesn't have the highest (and is closer to the average) ratio of screen area per phone area, even the Optimus G... the same phone with hardware buttons... has a higher ratio."

            Because it's falsified "phones with on screen buttons have a higher ratio", and since a condition like if and only if is true only if both are true, and since one of the sides is false, it follows that this "The space taken up by the on screen buttons replaces the space taken up by the capacitive buttons. They take up basically the same amount of space." is false.

            And this: "No. Because as I said above, they don't disappear. They don't move. They're totally static and unchangeable."

            Is absurd, yes, but they don't take any screen space, my screen is always fully available, the only thing your on-screen buttons do is hide when you watch videos, giving you back your whole screen real estate, they don't magically turn your phone smaller when needed.

          • Wayne Peterkin

            what about when u aren't gaming or watching videos? what about other apps, like say being on the home screen, browsing for example. unless you enable full screen when browsing, which I hate doing since I lose seeing what's in the notification bar, those on screen buttons do take up space

          • Jack

            Did someone say huge back bar at the bottom of the screen for apps that require menu button?

          • Matt

            But if you're going to root and flash a custom ROM, why pay the full price for a phone, when you can get one on contract and save $500 up front? Same end result, a lot less money spent.

            That's the main drawback to me with these user-experience phones - the price. I just don't see the justification for it.

      • http://techintherealwrld.com/ TechintheRlWrld

        Here's the issue: early adopters are the people most likely to be interested in a stock One or GS4, and would be willing to pay full price. We are also the people who have already bought one of those devices and aren't going to run out and buy ANOTHER phone. I bought my One the day it came out and paid full price. It'd be a different story if they came out the same time, but that's not what happened. Something to think about when you're giving people a hard time for not buying a stock One or GS4.

        • TOMMMMMM

          Also, a lot of people that covet stock Android are probably using a Galaxy Nexus or a Nexus 4. The demographic for the Google Editions is much more narrower.

      • dxr

        i bought my white gnex full retail. I'm waiting for the next nexus & new moto offerings because i prefer software buttons/the HTC1's top casing slit concerns me..my gnex is my first smartphone. the then-new aesthetics of ICS' UI & the physical design of the white gnex informed my purchase more than any other reason. That's why the Jolla device just might be my next as well.

    • Haunter

      Because people have no idea what they want... and just like to bitch on the internet. Last year, all you'd hear about was exactly what you mentioned (I want AOSP, there should be more than one Nexus device [remember the 5 Nexus rumor, which has technically come true now])... now all of a sudden we actually GET what we want, and now it's "If it doesn't have the Beats and Zoe from Sense, I don't want it" or "Why would I pay so much for it" without thinking about the fact that you're going to have that same $600 injected into your contract through a carrier branded One or S4.

      • Milad407

        As much as I hate contracts, I can't afford an expensive phone without them + you get talk time included in those "$600 you inject". Since Google is writing sources for HTC One and GS4 everyone with a carrier branded one will be able to build the rom for it.

        • Haunter

          Yes you can, you're just looking at it backwards. It's just like people who buy things through rent-to-own companies and end up paying more than what the device is worth. Buying a device upfront yields lower monthly payments with (in the long run) results in less money being spent over that 2 year period. It's just a matter of doing the math. But, that's how these cell companies are raking in the profit, because they've successfully convinced people "If I can spread it out, it's not so bad" which convinces you "I don't mind spending the extra $200+ in 2 year's time because it's only a few extra dollars a month". I don't know about you... but that money adds up, and I can spend it on something else I'd like.

          • lewishnl

            You do have to consider whether these people actually have the $500 handy, but I guess they could get a loan (though it would probably be a little awkward to ask for a mortgage to buy a phone...)

          • Haunter

            Which is kind of what I meant by looking at it wrong. These purchases should be looked at in the same light as any other tech purchase. For instance, when you buy a TV or a PS3 or an XBox, you walk up and pay for it upfront. While you could buy one through something like Rent-A-Center at an increased price, it's just smarter to buy it outright. Know what I mean?

          • lewishnl

            Yes, that's why I bought the Nexus 4 off contract and will do so in the future, but there are people that don't have the money to do that...

          • Adam Smith

            preach it!

          • Stacey

            Not necessarily. Most US carriers charge you the same per month regardless of whether you are buying a subsidized phone or using your own.

            You'd only save money with them if you chose to forgo a data plan, but most people want one.

            Of course there are other options like T-Mobile's monthly-plans or something like Straight Talk, but it all depends on where you live and the coverage in that area.

          • Haunter

            This part is true, when it comes to coverage. Sometimes all carriers aren't viable options.

      • dxr

        yr rite. the 5 build rumor was fascinating. However, stock android on phones with capacitive buttons is something I'm guessing none of us had in mind! Neither was paying double. (BTW, stock's camera app does improve iteration by iteration; i hope ZOE & touchwiz's erasing people functionality come to stock in one way or another)

    • Andrew

      It is about point of view. We do not have LTE networks in my country and 16GB is plenty of storage for me. I do not have much music or other media on a mobile device. So there were no compromises for me.
      There were some difficulties in getting Nexus 4, because Google does not sell it here, but nothing really hard.

    • http://twitter.com/eliter1 eliter1

      How can we justify buying a Nexus Experience device that has less features than the real one? For all intents and purposes, the Nexus 4 has all of the features these other Nexus Experience devices have. There are storage, display and other differences but I cannot justify a $300 price difference. I think that if you can get these phones for cheap or free on contract then that makes a big difference and I would consider them. I also think that we have to wait and see how these updates are handled. I think Google said "prompt updates" not "same day as Nexus devices" so we have to see how that goes. If Google doesn't subsidize the price of the next Nexus then I think we would all be more likely to purchase a Nexus Experience device.

      • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

        The Nexus 4 has the same version of the OS, that's it. The Nexus 4 is inferior in every aspect otherwise, the screen on the Nexus 4 is ok, it's not great (color calibration is actually fairly bad), it doesn't have LTE, the camera is between mediocre and acceptable, it only comes with 16GB of storage (and that doesn't cost 300, the 300 model is close to being a complete useless piece of plastic, I couldn't even sync my favorite playlsits from Spotify for online use and have 2 games installed at the same time), the CPU and GPU are slower, it has on screen buttons annoyingly taking space, the speaker is absurdly bad and it doesn't work on a flat surface, the design is good (I really like it, much more than that of the S4) but is also very, very fragile, and anything you can think of the One and the S4 come on top.

        You're basically comparing a middle-high end phone with the highest-end phones in the market.

        • http://twitter.com/eliter1 eliter1

          I thought that was what I did. I still think that you get more bang for your buck with the Nexus 4 though. $300 vs $600-$650... The better screen, processors, speaker (Which is the only thing I REALLY HATE and LOVE the HTC One's) and storage (I have the useless 8GB peice of plastic and I have never had a problem with storage) is not worth $300-350 more, especially when stock android doesn't take full advantage of either the Galaxy S4's or HTC One's hardware. Crazy as it may sound, I think the point I am trying to make is that stock android is not always a good thing, at least on these two phones.

          • Ivan Myring

            Exactly right. Thank you sir!
            The N4 processor is still more powerful than any one really needs and the difference between 1080p and 720p Is too small to notice

        • lewishnl

          Frankly, I know I may be in a minority, but I've bought an 8GB Nexus 4 and consider it to be the best device possible. The screen is great, I really don't care if the colours aren't the best (How long do you stare at your phone screen?) and the camera is fine for what I need. LTE being missing is a little annoying, but since I probably couldn't afford an LTE contract in the UK anyway, I don't care. The CPU and GPU may be slightly (and it really is slight) worse than those two phones, but it's still damn good (can handle like 20 chrome tabs alongside like 20 other apps fine). It may only be 8GB, but I use Spotify and have data most of the time so I'm good there. Design is really nice and I've got a good case for it so that's cool.

          I understand what you're saying about it being inferior, but it's really no big difference. I wouldn't pay a penny more for an improved phone, it handles everything I'd want beautifully, it doesn't have any bloat and stupid gimmicks (well maybe photosphere and daydream are kinda, but no major ones like the S3 and One) and I get fast updates.

    • naysayer

      The poll doesn't take the actual Nexus line into account. Therefore it under-reports the number of stock Android lovers.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      I would if it came in a 5.5"+ variety. The Note II has spoiled all smaller sizes for me. So that's why I said no.

    • https://plus.google.com/u/0/114994124650840583731 Phil D.

      Because we bought a 'skinned' OEM phone - rooted it - put AOKP/CM/CustomROm onto it - and are happy

  • selonmoi

    I have a Nexus 4, and no desire to replace it any time soon. Even if I were buying today, the Nexus 4 looks like much better value.

    It's not a perfect phone, there are trade-offs, but there are with the GS4 and One NUEs, too. Most obviously the hardware buttons.

    • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

      Calling hardware buttons a trade off is absurd, one decision beyond all stupidity was the decision to block a percentage of my screen drawing hardware buttons on screen.

      • mintvilla

        Thats your opinion, the buttons on a GS4 are stupid, try turning your phone horizontal, and play a game, its all most impossible you will hit the menu button.

        On screen buttons are a great idea in my opinion, they vanish when you dont need them like in videos, and its hardly like the take up screen space? like when? when your reading? you cant read the whole screen at the same time.

        • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

          It's not my opinion. It's a fact that on-screen buttons don't offer any advantage.

          "try turning your phone horizontal, and play a game"

          As opposed to accidentally pressing a useless on screen button that takes away a section of my screen while I play? Nothing is as fun as playing a downscaled game in a 4.7" screen.

          "On screen buttons are a great idea in my opinion, they vanish when you dont need them like in videos, and its hardly like the take up screen space? like when? when your reading? you cant read the whole screen at the same time."

          You mean that when I watch videos (which is quite frankly practically the only time they vanish) I get to use my whole screen? You mean, just like in any phone with hardware buttons? And the rest of the time when "I need them" they take a constant amount of space?

          Man, that sounds great.

          • Mee

            Hardware buttons take up space that could be used by a bigger screen. You could argue the same with that hardware buttons take up space and are always there.

          • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

            Except that's not true (I've made the operations before, the Nexus 4 isn't the phone with the highest ratio of screen and area, nor was the GNex). In fact, even the Optimus G had a higher ratio of screen per area of phone than the Nexus 4... despite being basically the same phone and the G having hardware buttons...

          • Stacey

            The on screen buttons only activate if you swipe in from off the screen. If your finger slides down to them in game from another part of the screen, they won't trigger. Capacitative buttons don't have the same mechanism to prevent accidental presses.

            Besides, you can enable expanded desktop and hide them completely whenever you want.

          • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

            Capacitive buttons do exactly the same... except, of course, they don't take a piece of my screen.

          • Stacey

            Oh my mistake. They didn't do that on my old HTC Desire HD.

          • mintvilla

            wow, what a dick you sound.

            No its not a fact, its your opinion. Learn the difference.

            Hardware buttons are much easily accidently pressed then onscreen ones, i can assume youve never had a GS3 or GS4 otherwise you wouldnt be so pro hardware buttons.

            Other downpoints are hardware buttons are they are not versatile, if you rotate your phone, the buttons don't rotate... they stay the same position and the icons dont rotate either, this is obviously not as good as onscreen buttons who can move around the screen and still be the same .

            Also if google changes the UI of android, then onscreen buttons are future proof.

          • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

            Again, nothing you said constitutes an advantage... my buttons don't rotate... let's sacrifice a percentage of my screen so a drawing of hardware buttons can rotate.

            "Hardware buttons are much easily accidently pressed then onscreen ones"

            This is just false, I mean, I've owned phones with software and hardware buttons, and is just no true, I'm sorry, and all reports on the web match my experience, yours is only matched by Google's fanboys that can't admit Google can screw up (even when Android pre-4.0 was a complete awful unbearable disaster, from design to buttons).

  • Guillaume

    "Touchwizz" and "enjoyable to use" just don't go together

  • Daniel

    I already have a Nexus 4 so I don't see the point. I will just wait until the N5 comes out.

    Only reason I am getting one that soon is I dropped my n4 on to the cement and it cracked a small amount of glass. Nothing major, just a little fracture in the corner but it still bothers me... I like nice perfect phones...

  • Metallinatus

    Only Nexus are Nexus...
    'Nuff said....

    • Haunter

      What exactly makes them "non-Nexus", besides a name?

      • Metallinatus

        Hardware buttons...
        Yeah, I like the virtual keys more, and yes, they are a deal breaker for me...
        Personal taste, of course....

        • Haunter

          That does not mean it's "Not a Nexus". The entire point of Android is to have choices... which now (finally) means a choice in Nexus devices.

          • Metallinatus

            No, a choice on pure Google experience, which is indeed great, but don't forget that Nexus is a brand...
            The Galaxy S and One X are other brands, it is not just a pure Android that makes a Nexus device....

          • Haunter

            Nexus is a program not a single brand. And the point of the Nexus Program is to guide and lead the way of Android with requirements being Vanilla AOSP (check), Google updating (check), unlockable bootloaders (check), and minimum hardware requirements (check).

          • Metallinatus

            Friendly price to make it easy for developers to buy? (check not)
            Yes, Nexus is a brand....

          • Haunter

            >Friendly price point

            That has NEVER been a thing until the Nexus4. The NexusOne was around $500 at launch, the NexusS, and the Galaxy Nexus were all $500+ at launch. Doing it 1 time does not guarantee it as a staple.

            Your inability to understand that it's a program (a program the Motorola Xoom was a member of) doesn't make it any less of a fact.

          • Metallinatus

            It happened with the Nexus 7 and 10 too....
            If Nexus is a program, so why there are nothing less than 6 Nexus branded devices and even a Nexus branded stemware already?

          • Haunter

            Because nobody chose to opt into it until now (except for Motorola with the Xoom). Google gave away Android for free and allowed manufacturers to do anything they wanted with it. Manufacturers wanted to make a name for themselves by modding Android with custom GUIs like Sense and TouchWiz (which was around before Android), etc.

            Also, the Nexus7 and Nexus10 are in the same product cycle as the Nexus4 (which puts them into the "first time this has happened" category). If you think pricing like this is going to continue forever, you're going to be in for a surprise.

          • Metallinatus

            Let's wait too see how the prices are gonna be this year...
            And the reason doesn't change the fact: Nexus is a brand with branded devices, these "Nexus experience" devices are a project....

          • Haunter

            It has been called the "Nexus Project" since the very beginning. You still haven't said 1 thing about why they're not Nexus devices besides "It doesn't say Nexus on the back", despite EVERYTHING being the exact same. I guess some people just don't get it (maybe refuse to understand it).

          • Metallinatus

            I am telling you that Nexus is a brand and these devices are under another brand, that's why, there is no need for another reason, Nexus is a brand, the Galaxy S is other and the One is another, Google is working with Samsung and HTC to make "Nexus experience" editions of phones under these brands, but they are still Galaxy and One branded, that is the reason, it is that simple, you are the one that is refusing to understand....

          • Haunter

            Which makes them a part of the Nexus program, therefore, Nexus devices.

          • Metallinatus

            Did Google, Samsung or HTC ever call them Nexus devices?
            No? Oh, okay....

          • Haunter

            Yes, by calling them Nexus experience devices... which is a Nexus device. This really isn't rocket science.

          • lewishnl

            Fuck off Haunter. Nexus is legally and definitely a brand. Tell me, do you see the HTC or Samsung listed here: https://www.google.com/nexus/

          • Haunter

            They're not even listed on the Play Store yet. By your logic, not being on the Play Store page means they don't exist.

          • lewishnl

            I would respond but since I live in the UK, I can't prove otherwise. But I'll be very clear, these devices are not Nexus devices. They aren't officially and they aren't technically or any other -lly. They are Google experience devices (like the Motorola Xoom and the original T-Mobile G1/HTC Dream) but not Nexi since they weren't designed with input from Google and they aren't sponsored/supported by Google (hence the huge price difference).

          • Metallinatus

            There is a reason... why they use the word "experience"... and not just "Nexus"... when they talk about these "Nexus experience" devices....

          • Metallinatus
          • Haunter

            An editorial piece (opinion piece) is not definitive proof of anything other than someone sharing your opinion.

          • Metallinatus

            But it was my last attempt to make you agree with me...
            But this topic is clearly leading us to nowhere, so....

          • lewishnl

            There is actually a response to your bullshit here. Nexus is not a program. OEMs must be chosen to develop a Nexus device not the other way round. Google has some pretty major things that they've consistently done (because they do the hardware design too for Nexus devices): 1. Dropped SD card support (all since the Nexus One I believe, it improves the user experience because it clarifies the storage situation). 2. Google supported (you call Google if you have problems, I don't believe this to be the case with Nexus experience devices). 3. Always unlocked and sold via Google direct only (at least for the phones).

            It's a fucking brand owned by Google dude.

  • Humberto Hernandez

    No, because i DONT have +600$ to spend in a phone. I'll buy Nexus 4

  • http://www.Nave360.com Sebastian Gorgon

    No...
    Because i already have a HTC One and i love HTC Sense 5, can't live without it.

  • Erstam

    If I didn't have the Nexus 4 already and wanted a phone right now then yes I would. However, I don't think this is what people wanted with sock android phones. These phones weren't designed for stock. That's why these won't be that popular. Plus price compared to nexus 4. I'm waiting for the Motorola phone Or next nexus.

  • bimsebasse

    "The one real benefit?" You're downplaying it a bit - it's a huge one, it's the one overshadowing reason I have a nexus device and not a HTC One or a Galaxy S4.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Isn't the magnitude of that benefit inherently reduced by the fact that there's a phone that costs basically half as much that also receives that benefit, and probably an even greater level of attention in the update process? My point is that compromises, benefits, and alternative options considered, the quick update / stock aspect loses a lot of its steam.

      • bimsebasse

        I can imagine wanting the nexus updates + the HTC One build quality/design (I get nervous whenever I let my nexus 4 out of its case) or the flexibility of S4 (manually add storage/change battery) enough to prefer either over the nexus 4, despite the price bump.

      • Luis Augusto Fretes Cuevas

        The Nexus 4 is cheaper, that's about it. I don't understand how people is comparing a phone that is clearly inferior in every single aspect (including basic stuff, like LTE, not to mention storage, "half" is only if you think 8GB are worth something, which I don't think any of us believes.) to the flagships from this year.

        • WestIndiesKING

          yeah man im beyond confused on this. Take away the IR blaster, beats which the speakers are still functional and the camera software its still blows the N4 out of the water. People complained about not having options and now they have one and they still complain.

          • lewishnl

            People don't need the best though. They need great. The Nexus 4 (I can tell you as an owner) is great. I wouldn't spend more money on best. I only need great. None of the things that the One and S4 sell on are deal breakers. Phones with better cameras have been around for years. People just don't take that many photos with phones and really don't care about the quality. People don't need the fastest phone ever, the Nexus can handle whatever I've tried throwing at it with ease. People don't need the biggest/best/highest-quality screen, they might be happier with it, but that's really not worth $300. Few people care much about storage these days with cloud storage and Google knows this.

          • WestIndiesKING

            ummm are you nuts? the camera on phones have been crap for a long time and really up until the last generation have been decent. Part of the reason most people get smartphones are for the cameras and the N4 camera is alright at best and complete crap in low light situations. And seeing the sales of these other phones in comparison to the N4 people do want the best. You are comparing yourself to the average user. Most people dont have a clue of what cloud storage is dude get a clue. N4 is dated and sure its a great phone but the HTC One is better then it plain and simple. If you dont want it dont buy it as for me, i want it.

  • Andrei

    It's funny how I've always liked Sense, from the first version up to 4+, and a lot of people here at AP kept saying bad things about it, and now I can't stand Sense 5 and you people love it, lol.

  • begadkepat

    No, because I don't usually buy phones off contract anyway since I'm on a family plan and don't travel out of the country -- i.e., I gain no benefit monetarily from purchasing a more expensive, off contract phone, and lose quite a bit. Since I don't usually buy phones off contract for such a premium, I don't see any incentive to buy one of these phones. The only exception I've made is the Galaxy Nexus, and that's because it was "only" $350. The other reason is that I'm happy with my GN2.

  • mintvilla

    My main gripe is timing. I think alot of people do want these devices, the trouble is they are not sold subsidized... thats about 90% if not more of your potential customers gone. The second is these phones came out and have been out a while before it was announced their would be google editions, so alot of people who wanten one already have one and then have just flashed a custom rom onit.
    The third is that the nexus 4 is still available, people who would buy a phone unsubsidized to get a an AOSP phone already did that 6 months ago when they got the nexus 4, that is only 6 months old, and has specs that are comparable. It would be a big ask to spend 600 bucks when only a few months previous you spent 300 bucks to get a phone thats more or less as good.

    So while i can see alot of people wanting to buy one, i cant see many people actually buying one.
    Also its america only, so thats a huge chunk of the market.

    If i wanted to buy a HTC one, i would just buy the normal one, then flash the offical image for the google edition one, so i could have updates from google, and it would be unrooted so my apps that dont work with root access will continue to work.

    Similar to the xoom, the american one was a google edition, but the international one was a motorola device that i dont even think had any updates, or took about 12 months to get ICS, so many people flashed the international version to make them google edition versions.

    • chandradithya

      ^Exactly. I was just about to say the exact thing.

      tl;dr of mintvilla : Prices are too high & one could get a N4 for half the price with similar specs , and one could rather buy the skinned version and flash the google edition image to it for paying that much.

      • Haunter

        You realize that you're still paying $600 with a carrier, right? It's just broken down and hidden in your bill during the 2 years... but you're still certainly paying $600 either way. Actually, you're paying more in the hiked bill than you would off contract.

        • Marcus Lee

          Well, even if you get an unlocked / off-contract phone, you're still gonna need a data plan anyway to use it.

          • Haunter

            Which are cheaper when you provide your own device. I've been off-contract for years and I've saved tons on my billing cycles.

          • Marcus Lee

            How much cheaper is it?

            Where I'm from, the contract price is influenced only by the amount of data / calls / sms you want. You don't get a discount if you use your own device - you still pay the same monthly price as someone else who got a phone on-contract.

          • Haunter

            Just on the plan alone I save over $100 a year, which comes to $200+ over the span of a 2 year contract. That's without the added fees of a subsidized phone.

          • mintvilla

            I live in england, in england thats true, its cheaper if you go sim only. However i have heard that in america on some carriers and on the main carriers, it doesnt matter if you have your own phone, you still pay the same.

            Heck in europe we get the phone for free, and still pay cheaper per month, never mind having it subsidized and still paying $199 for the phones.

          • mintvilla

            Hang on

            Thinking about what you just said, if you save $100 a year by buying the phone seperate. Surely your losing money?

            Pay $600 for phone then X for the contract

            or

            $200 for subsidized phone, then X + $100/year for the contract

            over 2 years, wouldnt that mean you were $200 worse off?

          • Haunter

            That's why I mentioned without the added subsidization fees. For instance, before I switched to off-contract, I noticed that there were additional fees being charged (to pay for the "cheaper" phone) after some combing through the details. Does that make sense? When I was with AT&T I paid around $95 which roughly comes to around $2280 over 2 years. Then, I had a buddy who worked for T-Mo and told me about the "provide your own phone" thing before it was their main business model. Now, I pay roughly $60 a month which is $1440 over the same 2 years. Which comes to a saving of about $840, which is that $600 phone plus the $240 I save in the plan. Now, these aren't all exact numbers since I don't have my bills (new and old) in front of me, but does that kind of explain what I'm saying?

          • GazaIan

            Contracts were designed to screw you over.

          • dxr

            i bought my gnex for 450$ (shipping included), since owning the device i have prepaid T-Mobile: 70$ once(unlimited+5gb), 30$ twice(100m+5gb), & 60$(unlimited+2gb) eight times. ~55.50$/month vs a typical, comprable US contract plan @ 100$/month. 1100$+200$(for some on-contract device)-$610+$450=me saving $240 with one month to go (another 70$). Another reason to wait until a device I truly love is released: the longer I hold out, the more beneficial my full-retail purchase becomes.

        • Cory Wilson

          If your on any carrier other than tmobile and your happy, there's no reason not to upgrade. Using an unlocked phone on say at&t is a waste of money, because you're just going to pay the same amount and continue paying more to subsidize everyone else's phone

      • WestIndiesKING

        similar specs are you on crack? the processors is better, camera better, more ram, more storage. What is similar about these specs?

        • John Dove

          The processors are faster, the S4 does have a better camera but the RAM and storage are the same unless you count the S4's SD card support. Overall, not worth the $250-$300 over the N4.

          • WestIndiesKING

            minus the ram then. Still worth it. i own a nexus 4. Lets not forget the better display,bigger battery, double storage, LTE support and those heavenly speakers. Definitely worth it to me.

          • Cory Wilson

            Yeah I'd pay $100 more for a one or s4 with stock, not $300

        • mintvilla

          they are similar, the snapdragon 600 is basically just a renamed s4pro, all three have 2gb of ram, yeah the nexus has a lower screen res, but as its scientifically proven that the human cant see individual pixels over 300ppi its all abit irrelevant, the battery size is also irrelevant as they have to push those extra pixels, and either way the things that are better are only slightly better, which is why i said similar. The only big difference will be camera, but we'll have to see how good the aosp version of the one and s4 are before we can compare, after all the one is only a 4mp camera, these phones wont have all the added bells and whistles of the existing phones

    • Derail Doax

      *I'm sorry to the people who have seen this comment before, I'm going to copy and paste this till people stop complaining so much.*

      Remember how T-Mobile stopped subsidizing all of their phones and went with a cheaper monthly plan business model? Through this you can essentially buy the GS4 Google Edition subsidized. T-Mobile and Straight Talk are both $60 per month if you bring your own device, or if you buy a GS4 directly from T-Mobile outright. The Galaxy S 4 Google Edition is only $30 more than the stock T-Mobile GS4. So check out this math.

      GS4 purchased from carrier
      T-Mobile $630+$60/mo(24)= $2070
      AT&T $200+$90/mo(24)=$2360

      Google Edition GS4
      T-Mobile $650+$60/mo(24)=$2090
      AT&T Straight Talk Sim $650+$60/mo(24)=$2090

      For either carrier my idea for the Google Edition is $270 cheaper than getting a subsidized GS4 directly from AT&T. And it's only $30 more than buying a GS4 directly from T-Mobile. Either way this isn't worth all the complaining.

      I'm not going to get drawn into the Nexus 4 vs GS4 GE arguments because that's not my point. Whether or not the Nexus 4 is way cheaper or not, when you compare Apples to Apples the carrier subsidized GS4 isn't really that different than a Google Edition GS4 money wise over the course of 24 months.

  • chris125

    Nope since not on verizon

  • LiiIiikEaBau5

    I'm Norwegian and you know the story! If not...we can't buy mobile/tablets from Google Play Store!

  • Andrew

    I do not see, how any of this new "nexuslike" devices are better than my Nexus 4. We do not have LTE networks in Ukraine.

    So I'll wait for next generation of devices, that will provide new features or experiences.

    UPD: But, if I did not have Nexus 4, I'd definitely buy HTC One

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Sunghwa-Woo/542631978 Ray Sunghwa Woo

    I would like it Google version but I can't afford the full retail price up front.

  • 9squigz9

    I just bought the original HTC One yesterday because the nexus edition isn't available where I live but I am really hoping that the fact that this exists will make the development of stock android for the original much easier in the future.

  • Michael Amaral

    +1 to this!

  • tbealmear

    I would, however I just cannot justify spending at least $600 on something like this. Now I could see spending $300 on a "true" Nexus phone so we will see what happens with that down the road. My HTC One XL with CM 10.1 is doing very well for me right now so luckily I don't have to worry about this just yet.

  • RitishOemraw

    same here

  • Krzysztof

    I already have HTC One and I love the new sense 5. So much better than the standard android which I had on nexus 7.

  • robert wilson

    i would if it had cdma, was s-off, and included access to full source code for *everything* (including bootloader, radio, and the actual kernel that's shipped with the device instead of kernel source with some features removed/broken and comments stripped).

    but i know that's not going to happen.

  • sc4fpse

    Not buying one. It's not that stock Android is not extremely attractive. It's just that I don't want a giant phone like the Galaxy S IV, nor do I want an ugly HTC device. Sorry - neither of those phones were attractive to me, though I realize I am certainly in the minority with these opinions. I want my damn Motorola phone already. Come the eff on, Moto. You've been sitting on your asses for far, far too long.

  • http://twitter.com/zackeryfretty Zackery Fretty

    Eh, I prefer to buy the Nexus devices from Google.

  • Stocklone

    I will if I can somehow convince my wife to spend $600 on yet another phone.

  • 윌 스튜어트

    I genuinely like some of the features Samsung has added on top of Android.

  • SAMSUNGSHILL

    Would but I already got the S4

  • DrM

    Already got the One, now every other Android seems inferior to me.
    And yes, I have played with the "octa" S4.

  • bitbank

    One of the other benefits of the "Nexus experience" is being able to tether without paying an extra fee to the carrier. I had a T-Mobile HTC Sensation. It was a terrible phone in many ways, but the two worst things about it were the constant restarts of Sense due to it being a memory hog and the inability to tether without paying an additional monthly fee.

  • David Margolin

    here are my thoughts:
    if I'm going to buy an s4 or a one, I will buy them with touchwiz or sense simply because this day in age, touchwiz/sense offer more features than stock...
    But if I want a holoyolo experience, I will buy a nexus 4...
    unfortunately I won't be buying a new toy anytime soon due to financial matters but those would be the criteria if I had some cash...

  • Milad407

    Rather buy the HTC One on contract, when sources drop i will get the aosp update in no-time anyways..

  • Cory Wilson

    For what they a charging I'm failing to see any real benefit. I mean if you pay full price unlocked it's the same price but without their respective software tweaks, your getting a phone that costs twice as much as a nexus 4 and is only a little bit better, worse in some aspects. For example, the one's ultra pixel camera will most likely be downgraded to a mediocre 4.3 mp shooter without sense.

  • cas_e

    I'm waiting for whatever it is that Motorola put out.

    • WhyWai

      best of two worlds, motorola's nexus device.

  • Ramsés Gómez

    Well all I have to say is I got a Galaxy S4 on Friday and it went right back on Saturday, I couldn't handle touchwiz to me is the crappiest carp ever, I know it adds some functionality missing from vanilla android but it also breaks or limits other I came to love, for example you could only have locked screen widgets if you do not have a locking password or pattern that was bad and the way gallery handles the album from g+ for your uploaded photos is a mess to say the least. The phone looked great, fast, light, great screen, so I might consider a "Nexus" Galaxy S4, touchwiz big no for now.

  • Justin Case

    I'll probably pick one up to replace my Galaxy Nexus as my travel phone. Having a S4 with all the bands would be pretty kick 4rse.

  • Marcus Lee

    I think the best thing about these two "Nexus experience" phones is the fact that they have access to pure AOSP straight from the source. If I was in the market for a device right now, I'd serially consider getting the Touchwizzed 64GB S4 on a carrier contract (ie cheap) and then flash the ported ROM from the NES4 when it gets released. Imagine - no more buggy custom ROMs if I wanted pure Android, ever. And on a higher capacity phone which I could get at a lower price than the lower capacity one from Google Play.

  • bukowski

    i simply don't see the appeal of a nexus experience device. if you want the nexus experience, buy the phone at a subsidized price (or even full retail off contract if you're so inclined). when these nue devices drop, you know damn well there will be ports available in a very short time span. you can root and flash and try out the nexus experience, and if you don't particularly care for it, go back to stock. you'll get the best of both worlds. no brainer.

    even bigger no brainer, if vanilla android means that much to you, save yourself 50% of the dough in your wallet, and just get a nexus 4.

    these nue devices just don't seem to have a place in the market, as far as i'm concerned.

  • Andy_in_Indy

    No, I am not going to buy one of the "Nexus Experience" versions of either phone. Neither one has compelling enough features to warrant paying the full off contract price for them, and neither work with LTE on my 2 networks, Verizon and T-Mobile (yet - the S4 is said to be unlockable) However, I fully expect to make use of the "Nexus Experience" files and source code to make and use my own custom ROMs on . I cannot support them financially (No "donate" button on HTC.com like xda-developers) so I will just support them emotionally.

  • Elias

    If I were to choose between a regular non-subsidized s4/one and a Google experience one, I'd choose the Google one. Fast android updates are much more relevant than gimmicks, and once these nexus experience devices come out we'll probably be able to rip&sideload the apks with the desired functionality (IR blaster, camera, etc) or there will be third-party apks to do the same things.

    That said, I do have a N4. I prefer a true nexus device with google-subsidized price than paying outrageous amounts of money (to a carrier or upfront) for a device with silly capacitive keys. Only thing that pisses me off with the nexii is the lack of micro SD. Seriously, Google, pull your head out of your ass and learn from what your customers want. If the nexus had the same hardware and was the same price as the nexus experience phones I'd get a S4 because it would have micro SD.
    Anyway, I'll probably skip the next nexus phone and upgrade only after that.

  • Max Barlow

    Where's "Thinking about it"

  • RainMotorsports

    Unfortunately the Nexus 4 was not what some previous Nexus owners, hopefuls wanted it to be. Basically these phones are unlocked or unlockable versions of what some people are already planning to buy and put Cyanogenmod on. So for some of us its perfect. Especially those with full access to LTE :p

  • Semlie

    If I could get one on Verizon I would.

    The inability to use the Nexus/Google Play phones on Verizon's CDMA network is bumming me out but I'll deal with it to keep my superior service and unlimited data.

  • http://www.beling.de/ Thomas Beling

    As others, I'm waiting for the next Google nexus device.

  • ehEye

    as with all polls the "none of the above", and "no because" 's are both missing; an explanation is always required to make sense of the vote [and of course, being always different, cannot be counted].
    As an owner of two Nexi, 4 and 7, i have no need for another "highEnd" phone, the Nexi do all i ask of them and more; also i like to have a slight jingle when i slide my hands into my pockets to keep them warm.

  • Josh Simpson

    No, I already have a GSM Galaxy Nexus and the new phones cost to much with little gain over the Nexus 4. I am waiting for the Nexus 5 before I upgrade.

  • jeffmd

    I am pretty happy with sense. Havn't tried samsungs interface but it looks allright, better then vanilla ICS.

  • Great

    Google phones need to run on the largest carrier, Verizon. That's an untapped market.

    • Jadephyre

      It would have been better for the US not to take on the CDMA Standard, then there would have been no problems, but the Carriers had to go with the "newest and shiniest" thing out there... big mistake from where i'm sitting.

      If I ever come to the States, then it's AT&T for me, i'm not taking anything that hasn't got a SIM in it, i'm simply not willing to give up that sort of freedom.

    • southernfanboy26

      Verizon had their chance and blew it.

  • ericl5112

    Not likely. I'm still happy with my Nexus 4, and the next nexus will probably have most of the newer specs these guys have at half the price.

  • Veridor

    Plan on selling my SIM-unlocked Note 2 to get an HTC One Nexus Edition.

  • serotheo

    I've got a Nexus 4 and an S3.

    Asking this is almost identical to reviews for the S4, its really a marginal upgrade from the S3 to the S4 - there are better specs, but that doesn't warrant that much attention when your device is already amazing and a flagship, the cost to upgrade, buy a new device that "feels" marginally better isn't enough.

    At this point I think we're at the convergence of hardware performance being nearly the same and that's enough for a lot of people, now that doesn't mean you should not upgrade from say an HTC First but if you already have a flagship of last year the differences aren't yet worth the change - its just not that drastic.

    If the S3 isn't entirely worth an upgrade to an S4, what makes the Nexus 4 (a device that is better than the S3) worth an upgrade to these Google Editions?

    Also, price. :D (I had to.)

  • Matt B

    I'd love to get an S4 "Nexus" but Google seems to just forget Canada exists.

  • Jadephyre

    If the phones would cost maybe just 50 Euros more, i'd think about buying one, but since they don't, and since i'm still quite happy with my GNex, the answer is no.
    I'd much rather wait for the next official Nexus device, because of newer hardware.

  • Zech Zimmerman

    To me the only advantage of these NUE devices is that now the CM devs have access to all of the binaries already working with vanilla android. I've got an unofficial beta cm10.1 on my sensation 4g but because no one has access to binaries for jelly bean the experience can get frustrating. Having Google updating these phones will make cm possible fairly easily. In 3 months we'll have cm10.1 running flawlessly on the one and s4 thanks to these NUE devices. So why buy it now, wait and get it subsidized then root and flash your favorite ROM.

  • Danny Theriault

    I'd of gotten the HTC one NUE, but the camera broke it for me. If the stock 4.3 camera (rumored overhaul, right?) is a lot better, I'll just root and flash Cyanogen or PA.

    If I wasn't desperate to drop my venerable Optimus S, I'd just wait for the X Phone or a potential fall nexus...

  • JG

    I'm currently looking to upgrade my phone ASAP, and have them on my short-list (as well as possibly the X Phone, depending on it's actual specs). They're great phones, and I would love to have a device I don't have to wait 6 months to a year (or longer) just to get a minor update (if it comes at all), but realistically, I probably won't.

    The main drawback is they're GSM only devices, which means I'd have to switch from Verizon. I could live without my grandfathered unlimited data, but AT&T's coverage around here, while close, isn't as strong or universal as Verizon's. There are a few little dead-zone bubbles around town. Not enough to completely rule out a switch, but .... Of course the last time I had an AT&T phone to test the network was like 3 years ago and I know they've upgraded it since (we went from 2G only to 4G HSPA+ last summer) [Verizon is currently 4G LTE]. When the N4 was announced, I checked T-Mobile's site for local coverage & we're listed as "acceptable" (aka "You can usually connect outside, and maybe in some buildings and cars") so not too crazy on them at the moment...

    Instead, if I don't do the X Phone (which I've been hearing will be on all carriers, and also running stock Android updated by Google) I'll probably stay with Verizon and just flash CM or AOKP onto a Verizon Galaxy S4 or maybe a HTC DNA or whatever else launches this summer... It won't get updates as fast as a Google Experience device, but it'll be a lot better (and hopefully less laggy) than my current Droid X that's still rocking 2.3.4....

  • Doan

    I would consider them if I could buy subsidized.

  • Cherokee4Life

    My only complaint (which isn't that bad since its my only complaint) with AP is that there are not enough options for the poll's.

    How about:
    a) YES
    b) I would if I was up for an upgrade
    c) Undecided still
    d) NO
    e) No, but I want one

    just sayin. I hate saying "no" without the reason why because I do want one

  • Nig Fury

    I voted no, I'm not buying one. however, if I had the money just burning a hole in my pocket I would have picked the GE S4 up already. Chances are that the X phone will be somewhere in the Nex4 price range which is a whole lot more affordable and comes with KLP.

  • nsnsmj

    If one of them had software buttons, and I had the money....yes.

  • andrew__des_moines

    I replace Nova Prime on a new phone immediately, so it makes little difference to me.

  • http://www.toysdiva.com Toys Samurai

    I would, if I had the choice -- but I don't since neither the S4 nor the HTC One Nexus Edition are available on Verizon.

    I can only pray that the tweet I got from VZW's support last week actually meant something. When I tweet to them saying, "You get us one stock Android phone, and we're talking", I got a response from them saying, "I hear you! While we don't have info about future devices, I trust that we'll soon launch a phone you like" (https://twitter.com/VZWSupport/status/340587212192247809)

    What that actually means is opened to interpretation -- hopefully, that means they will release devices that address the preferences of people who likes stock Android.

  • mrjayviper

    I would buy it if I could but Google stupidly decided only its home country is getting it :/

  • Babs Oyed

    I'm waiting for the Note III.

    Nexus devices are certainly smoother and have a more aesthetically pleasing interface but they're clearly less functional.

    The Note II is not the phone with the best resolution or fastest processor today but it supersedes all others by a country where it matters - functionality and exceeds most in battery life.

    If you actually use a Note device there's no freaking way you can tolerate any other device. The S Pen and S Note and multiview etc makes the Note II unrivaled.

    Once you go note, you can never go back and it's not because of size here, we're talking functionality.

    • Mandeep Singh

      And the s pen shortcuts
      Nothing can beat them

      • dxr

        worth investigating

        • Mandeep Singh

          Yeah 100 percent

  • Tyler

    This pole should have been do you like the nexus experience idea. Personally I'm on Verizon and these are GSM phones. Should one come to Verizon I would be interested. The only thing I think is better about their skinned cousins is the camera software. Everything else I am willing to live without.

  • Gilbert Gonzalez

    The biggest problem with these NUE devices is the price. 600 is a FAR cry from the price of a N4. On all carriers you either have a subsidy or a sown payment w/monthly payments. Meaning your not shelling out 600+ right then and there. That's simply too much money for what you get. Especially when you can get the Sense version and just slap AOSP once the Rom is pulled from it.

    If they really wanna get this ball going they gonna have to lower the price. PERIOD!

    • southernfanboy26

      keyword SUBSIDY. $600 is the norm retail price for a smartphone. just as if you wanted to buy the same phone for a carrier and aren't due for an upgrade they'll charge the full retail price. With the N4 you get 16gb of storage for 350, HTC One Nexus 32gb $600

  • Booyabobby

    I like to but those phones are not on Verizon! Until that happens, I'll be sticking with my Galaxy Nexus.

  • Carlos

    I'm waiting nothing...
    BECAUSE I have Galaxy Nexus and I don't need new phone.

  • skeeterfood

    Screw the "Nexus Experience", It's a real Nexus I want.

  • Noreen Dyer

    I won't be purchasing the S4, nor the HTC One "Nexus User Experience" smartphones. I'm using my GSM Galaxy Nexus, (which I still love) and have enjoyed receiving the OS updates directly from Google. However, I crave the size of the Note II. ( I'm a bit envious whenever I've held the two phones, side by side, in a size comparison.)

    I hope to be able to purchase the upcoming Note III. (I'm saving up the money!) Or, could there ever be a Note-sized Nexus? There are plenty of Android smartphones to choose from. The world of smartphones and the ever-growing technology involved is always amazing and improving!

  • missinginput

    No 1700 support makes this essentially a ATT phone since if you want Tmobile is only gets 4g in the refarm areas.
    Funny as a manufacture I would have tried to market my non subsidized phone to a company that doesn't use subsidies anymore.

  • Paul_Werner

    If I didn't already have a Nexus 4 then I'd say I wouldn't because I'd be waiting for the next Nexus. I can't see myself wanting anything but a Nexus

  • NemaCystX

    I'll just get the HTC One and let the developer community do its magic. With a stock running HTC One with similar hardware, the possibilities are endless as far as running vanilla vs sense now. The only thing holding us back is the locked bootloaders on carrier models.

    I said no mainly because of the price and that I can get the same functionality because of the above statement.

  • Michael Ta

    No, budgeted. And I find it makes more senses to get a subsidized phone. Nexus 4.

  • Patrick Hermey

    nope. why lessen the smartphone experience with nexus software? why would i possibly want to downgrade my phone? if i want stock, or a near stock experience, i will slap a rom on it. but generally speaking... stock android is a bore.

  • drew

    Way too much money. Takes away the point of a Nexus device.

  • funkmon

    I like the camera features on HTC phones too much to lose it when normal Android features aren't far beyond the stock features of my phone. If KLP has a killer app, so to speak, and it'll take HTC somewhere close to 10 months to update their shit, then I'll go for the nexus experience. As for now, give me sense.

  • Sootie

    I'm still going to by the xperia z nexus experience or not (I know there are reasons not to but it is the device the makes the most sense to me)

  • Hubird

    There are a lot of reports of the S4 being lagy and I know from experience the S3 has some annoying touchwiz bugs. Most of the features we lose are a non issue and some don't work reliably anyway.

    A Nexus experience phone offers the best performance, quickest software updating (for longer) and user have the choice to pick and choose apps from Google Play to fill the gaps as they see fit.

    • Patrick Hermey

      in my experience, choosing apps to fill the gaps introduces lag and causes more issues than they solve. but i will agree... the gs4 is quite laggy and slow to respond.

  • candlejack

    If they release it for Verizon I'll be MORE THAN HAPPY to shell out for one. I abhor Verizon's bloatware. It makes me sick.

  • Hubird

    I think those saying they would not consider buying one are brand snobs (TouchWiz / Sense fanboys).

    • Patrick Hermey

      flip side: those not considering could very well have owned a nexus and are immune to the hype that surrounds the nexus name because they have a 'been there done that, can go back to it whenever i please on my current phone' mentality.

  • MeCampbell30

    Verizon: It's a trap!

  • Vijay Yalamanchili

    I would prefer a stock phone over HTC sense / Samsung Touchwiz but I don't want to pay 400$ premium for that. You might argue that I could go prepaid and save money in the long run but I have a family plan and it is almost the same price as the best prepaid plan out there. I wish we had more and cheaper prepaid options.

    • Mandeep Singh

      Nexus 4 in india costs 540$
      And this would cost 600 or so
      So I would buy this instead of nexus 4 any day

  • tony

    if there was an xperia nexus i would without doubt

  • Mandeep Singh

    S4 international model already comes with and unlocked bootloader

  • an observer

    I'd like the lg optimus g pro in a nexus version. With an sd slot.

  • https://plus.google.com/111019692970182387850 Carlos Sarthou

    I've been pondering something. Assuming both of these devices won't be different hardware-wise from their non-NUE counterparts and that, by essentially being Nexus devices update-wise, Google will make their factory images available online, wouldn't it be possible to just flash those images onto the regular S4s and HTC Ones via fastboot or something? At least on the ones with the same internals.

  • Sergio Vázquez

    I think the answer should be: "Would you prefer buying any Android experience device over its OEM equivalent at the same prize?" Then the results would be slightly different... I'm pretty sure most of the people are telling "no" won't buy the original HTC One either. Besides that, I think Google is loving the multi Nexus Experience way which is going on right now, and I'm confident they will do the best to bring Android the best features OEM are offering and you'll loose going to stock: Better sound, camera options, IR functionality, pen integration, etc. For the rest of software advanced options you have launchers which won't keep you away from latest Android updates...

  • http://twitter.com/IanMedina_ Ian Medina

    Guys!! Just wait for the next Nexus device. Same price and hopefully a microsd slot or 50gb of Google drive storage. i'm gonna be happy with that =)

    • perfectlyreasonabletoo

      "microsd slot"

      Keep dreaming...

  • HonestOpinion-plsdonthateme

    I think the major reason people won't buy it because the on-screen buttons are far more important than you think. Using up onscreen buttons while having capacitive buttons is just horrible imho. If a high end phone like the s4 or htc one comes out with a true nexus (let's call it that?) experience I would definitely buy it. I bought the Xperia Z because so far it comes the closest to what I/we want in a high end stock android device.

  • Steve Freeman

    I really don't know how many people truly want a "nexified" phone, as far as the software goes. We want a "nexified" phone as far as the unlocked bootloader goes, so that we can easily load custom rom's and kernels.

    • dxr

      for now, i have both & want that in the future

  • Ivan Myring

    Waiting for the nexus 5.
    Don't see why people say the N4 was limited, its six months old, FFS

    • perfectlyreasonabletoo

      I'm beginning to wonder if these ARE the "Nexus" devices for this generation. Not really that much point to having a single "Nexus" device if these other have the same features.

      • Jaymoon

        Good point. It's always been rumored that there will be multiple "Nexus" devices from different manufactures. Now it makes since why they are releasing these variants.

  • GazaIan

    If I hadn't already bought a Nexus 4 last month, I'd be after an HTC One from Google Play.

  • radiotrib

    I'm happy with my HTC One and Sense 5 thanks

  • perfectlyreasonabletoo

    I'm starting to think the Nexus program has run its course. If we can get good phones with the option to flash stock AOSP legitimately, then we've got what we wanted in the first place.

    I mean... suppose they release a "Nexus" phone later this month. What are we expecting exactly? Probably a minor hardware variant on an existing device like before:

    Nexus One -> HTC Desire
    Nexus S -> Samsung Galaxy S
    Galaxy Nexus -> (no equivalent really... what other devices used TI OMAP?)
    Nexus 4 -> LG Optimus G
    Nexus 7 -> Asus MeMo Pad (original version was canceled after Google convinced Asus to make it N7)
    Nexus 10 -> Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 (different screen and CPU, otherwise very similar)

    Take away the "minor hardware variant" part and and what's the difference? If anything we get better hardware reliability because the OEM spends most of their time testing the device they want to sell themselves, not the small-run Google variant. OEMs are the ones with hardware expertise not Google, and sometimes it shows.

    The main selling point of Nexus devices is supposed to be timely updates, right? How's that helped Nexus 4 owners so far? All we've got are couple of minor updates, one of which was to correct a bug Google introduced in the previous one.

  • Luis Pérez

    I would, but I dont like physical buttons so I'll stick to nexus

  • http://www.modminecraft.com/ Nick Coad

    I've been considering purchasing the HTC One NUE purely because it's stock Android, I wouldn't have considered purchasing it with Sense. I don't have any major objections to Sense (not these days anyway) but I can't stand the massive wait-time on updates. And say what you will about being able to flash custom ROMs, but ROMs based on recent updates are almost always unstable and buggy, so you would really have to wait for them as well anyway.

    I agree about the hardware features, it sucks that they will not be available. Although now that Google is starting to take this interesting new approach of selling stock Android on devices that weren't MADE for stock Android, they may start building a wider range of drivers into the base operating system for manufacturers to take advantage of while still keeping the stock Android experience.

  • Mike

    No. I'm waiting for the Moto X or the next Nexus phone.

  • http://battlecougar.com/ James Sugrue

    Why buy a "Nexus experience" for twice the price of experiencing a real Nexus?