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On April 11th, the Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 officially went on sale in the US in a Wi-Fi only flavor. I can tell you this already - if someone were to offer me one of those or a Nexus 7 3G, I'd take the Note 8.0 no questions asked. I think it's probably the best all-around Android tablet currently on sale, squeaky plastic and giant-Note II look be damned.

That said, it also costs $400! Now, that nets you 16GB of built-in storage with a microSD card slot, 2GB of RAM, a rear camera, Android 4.1.2, and a digitizer-equipped 8" 1280x800 display with a smart stylus. But for $100 less, you can get a Nexus 7 with 32GB of storage, Android 4.2.1 (with a near-guaranteed and likely fast upgrade to the next version of Android), 3G connectivity, and the comfort of knowing a whole lot of apps have already been optimized specifically for your device. Since the Android 4.2 update, though, I've become rather disenchanted with my Nexus 7 - it's slow, twitchy, and the battery life isn't great.

The question on my mind, as I think is the case with many other people, then, is this: how much cheaper would that Note 8.0 be if you took the whole 'Note' aspect out of the equation? Drop the digitizer and S-Pen, and keep the same 1280x800 LCD panel (which actually looks pretty decent), along with everything else. Would it be $350? $330? $300? I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd be pretty willing to drop three-hundred bucks on a de-Noted Note 8.0. It weighs as much as a Nexus 7 but is significantly thinner (by 2.5mm), has a larger battery, and is noticeably quicker. Sure, a refreshed N7 could make some of these pros moot, but I also just like the size of the screen - an 8" tablet seems optimal to me. I just couldn't care less about the stylus.

However, there are those out there who rather vociferously disagree with me on this issue, and praise Samsung for being the only major manufacturer to stand behind building a consumer-friendly, stylus-optimized tablet. My answer is generally that Samsung's Note tablets are catering to a non-starter market, because the number of stylus-optimized apps - which is what really matters - remains extremely low on Android. Even Samsung's own stylus-based apps don't come near supporting the supposed 100+ levels of pressure sensitivity the Wacom digitizers in its Note devices are capable of detecting.

Adobe has all but nuked its creative aspirations on Android, and while AutoDesk's SketchBook apps remain very popular, there simply hasn't been an explosion of stylus apps on Android. Why spend the extra money on something that is largely unsupported? Microsoft built a stylus-enabled tablet with hardware palm rejection that pretty easily bests everything on the market but pro-level dedicated Wacom surfaces. It's pricey, but it's also pretty hard to argue that, if you're a serious artist or draw as part of your profession, that there's much of a reason to look down market to Android for your mobile sketching needs. There are simply much better tools out there.

Anyway, I'm now asking you: do you want to pay more for a tablet just because it supports a dedicated stylus input option? Or is Samsung (basically the only company doing it) limiting itself to a niche market by marking up otherwise good tablets to arguably uncompetitive price points? Make your vote known, and sound off in the comments below.

Is stylus support on an Android tablet actually worth paying significantly more for?

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David Ruddock
David's phone is an HTC One. He is an avid writer, and enjoys playing devil's advocate in editorials, imparting a legal perspective on tech news, and reviewing the latest phones and gadgets. He also doesn't usually write such boring sentences.

  • Jachym Kokesh Lukes

    Actually - what stops you from using capacitive screen compatible stylus on any device?

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      The fact that they kind of suck.

      • Kokusho

        they don't suck more than the S-Pen.

        • http://www.facebook.com/Rayun.Mehrab Rayun Mehrab

          Umm, yes they do and S pen don't suck. If you have never used one on a daily basis, you wouldn't know.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500035698 Robert Lee Traughber

      Use both and then ask that question. It's pretty much night and day.

    • Aincalandorn

      I've got a capacitive stylus and I hate it compared to my NoteII's. The difference is, as Robert Lee Traughber said, night and day.

    • Joshua Barta

      Imagine the difference between using a crayon versus a mechanical pencil.

    • vgergo

      Also, Samsung Note (1/2/10/8) s-pens are stored inside the device, which means you always have it at hand. I'm yet to see a Note 8 demonstration where somebody uses the s-pen to take real notes, not just scribbles "Hi!" on the screen with large letters. A real demo like that would convince people who ask questions like these.

      I use my Note I to take lecture notes. I am able to write 6-7 lines of text on the 5.2" screen about one quarter to one third of a letter size printed note page. I can sketch diagrams and even include related images from the web as the teacher speaks.

    • Andrew Findlay

      If you want a more technical answer - Pressure sensitivity and acuity. Varying line weight/transparency/thickness based on the force you're using is pretty much necessary for graphic design purposes or detailed illustration. In addition, a digitizer-based stylus is going to be a whole lot more accurate and precise than a big lump of rubber on the end of a capacative stylus.

  • http://silverfang77.tumblr.com/ Silver Fang

    I don't see the point of a stylus except for sketching.

    • StriderWhite

      you're right

    • Juvenall

      There's simply something about hand written notes that work really, really well for people like me and that's the market the Note series is trying to target. After all, where do you think they pulled the name from?

  • s44

    I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the Tab 3 is going to be.

  • Tony

    To me, the Note 8.0 is great because 8 inches is a great size and also I like that it's built for portrait mode use and it comes in white. Hopefully the new nexus tablet addresses these issues and also a smaller bezel and I won't have to get a Note 8 or 10 as I prefer stock android. Either way it's good to have choices :), and as far as stylus support I've never had one with it but not being artistic means I'm not sure what I'd use it for?

    • Google_is_the_Higgs_Boson

      I am artistic, and see no need for it...

      • http://www.facebook.com/Rayun.Mehrab Rayun Mehrab

        That's because you've never used it. Once you start using any Note product, you'll never be able to go back. You don't have to be artistic. I love using it to just jot down notes to myself, and I love it!

        • Google_is_the_Higgs_Boson

          I'm sure your right... But as far as being a artist, and using this, I see it being much more of a pain in the ass, then using a pencil and paper, from a artists perspective...

  • http://twitter.com/TwinShadow_SH Ryan

    I have no care for Samsung, so I never bother to look at their products much anymore. The Nexus 7 has done me good and I haven't updated it to 4.2.2 currently and plan to keep it at 4.1.2 for now. Stylus can be nice in certain things, but the general user isn't going to use one to begin with. They're really only useful for artists who do digital drawing or those who do 3D models for a living or as a job for a company.

    So, I'll favor my Nexus tablet over anything from Samsung. Besides, they've flooded the market with "Galaxy this" and "Galaxy that", I'm sick of the name already.

    • Andrew Findlay

      Out of curiosity ,why won't you be updating to 4.2.x? I can see very few reasons not to - I did at the first opportunity and have never regretted it. That said I do tend to live on the bleeding edge ( as it were) and update products very often, so I'm curious.

      • http://twitter.com/TwinShadow_SH Ryan

        It keeps wreaking havoc on my settings that I have my tablet set on. Plus that multi user 'feature' is messing with the sd card in ways I don't want it to. I did try it for a couple days until it started doing weird things that I fully gave up on it entirely. So, for the least trouble, I'll just stick to a version that actually does work.

        • Andrew Findlay

          I see, thanks.

    • Google_is_the_Higgs_Boson

      Why not update it? It would add multi user support... Edit, I see why below...

      • http://twitter.com/TwinShadow_SH Ryan

        Yeah, that was one feature I could of done without on Android. I can't name very many people where it would be useful to begin with. It just doesn't work for me on my Nexus 7, but if a device came with it, then I can make do since well.. it's already there so I can do what I do for config and such.

  • Christopher Robert

    Love my stylus. It works great adds some great features. Great for writing and drawing. Wish it came on all phones and tablets.

  • begadkepat

    I used my GN 2 to take notes in class once when all of my writing utensils failed me. I got some weird looks but at the end of the day I still had the notes I needed.

  • peter steffek

    I think this would be a great tablet if 1 it didn't cost so much and 2 it had a better resolution screen. $400 for a tablet of this size and the screen is the same resolution as my phone? No thank you

    • RaptorOO7

      The screen and price is competitive against the iPad Mini which everyone seems to fawn all over. But again it needs a minimum of 32GB internal for Apps plus the expansion slot. Available in the EU just not US.

  • GraveUypo

    the only reason i voted no is the lack of app support. if there was a desktop photoshop for android i'd pay double for it.

  • Edward Smith

    The problem is that there are really no dedicated artist tablets out there. Some tablets have the stylus pen feature but the os doesn't support photoshop unless its a laptop hybrid that cost a arm and a leg. Honestly even though I really don't like Windows 8 because it was a huge failure for mobile/desktop convergence, I am waiting for Adobe to keep their promise and release a wacom portable tablet later this year. Now that will be worth every penny.

  • Dima Aryeh

    Hey David, I notice you saying that the Note 8.0 is faster than the Nexus 7, and that your N7 doesn't work well after the 4.2 update. I had the same issue, with the battery lasting a day and a half untouched with serious performance issues after the update. I suggest doing a factory reset (you can backup apps without root using Carbon), it'll help its speed a lot. It pretty much equals the speed of the Note 8.0 then, maybe becomes a tad smoother (not sure). But I do agree with you, the tablet is pretty fantastic, if not a bit pricey. S Pen is great.

  • A

    If I had a device with one, I'm sure I'd find reasons to use it, but right now I'm perfectly happy with my Bamboo stylus for the exceedingly rare occasions when I have need of it.

  • Boothy

    I use my Note 10.1 and note 2 constantly in client meetings to mark up PDFs and sketches, provides instant saved record of very fluid fast creative discussions - cannot go back to not having a S Pen ! I use the idea note all the time. I agree that there are frustrating little decent business apps alround not just for S Pen use.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ericinvalpo Eric Leonard

    I use the stylus on my original Note quite a bit. All of our techs in the field use it for signatures on work orders, credit card payments, and the like. It's a lot easier for most people to sign with a stylus because it's just awkward to sign a screen with your finger. The Note 8.0 would be even better with the larger screen size.

  • Omar Sa’d

    I just prefer nexus everything, would consider other tablets but definitely not a Samsung tablet

  • ins0mn1a

    strangely, i thought the target group for tablets w/ active digitizer is pretty clear: anyone who uses pen and paper regularly. for notes that can't easily be typed (e.g. math, science, engineering...), sketches and ideas of art or any other kind of projects. clearly one can not expect to use such (relatively cheap) devices for high level, detailed artwork, but for sketching and just scribbling on the go, they are a godsend.

    think digital moleskine, but searchable, cloud-uploaded, always accessible, modifiable, easily shared, labeled...

    i got the note 8 and i am very happy with it. i have a million complaints (not-exactly-spectacular resolution, awful home button, too thick a bezel, lack of 3G/4G connectivity, ridiculous price, samsung's inability to create usable software, immaturity of third-party apps...), but at the end of the day it is a giant improvement over that intractable pile of papers that i am normally surrounded by, or thick notebooks that i often need to carry.

  • http://profiles.google.com/diegopadron05 Diego Padron

    I think stylus support would only be sufficiently useful for me in a large, 10" tablet. If I could get a Nexus 10 with stylus support, that would be my tablet of choice, no questions asked.

  • Freak4Dell

    I think the stylus is definitely worth the extra cost, but none of the current devices with styli are worth the price for other reasons. If HTC makes another tablet with a stylus, then I'll probably consider it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/PaulStJohnMackintosh Paul StJohn Mackintosh

    Why worry about dedicated stylus support anyway when the most important use of a stylus - handwriting recognition - is already available through third party apps like 7Notes? I'm always happy for anything to drive stylus usage further, but the fact remains that almost all touchscreen devices do anything a dedicated stylus could anyway. I write constantly on my Nexus 7 using HWR and have never felt the lack of a dedicated stylus.

  • Sergii Pylypenko

    Stylus is very useful for remote PC administration, it pretty much replaces mouse. It's still a pain, but already not a misery.

  • Kokusho

    Yes I would pay more for a good Stylus on an android Tablet...However, I would NOT pay any dime for the shity Samsung S-Pen which is an insult to the Wacom name.
    The Note 10.1 have a dreadfull capacitive touch screen and the stylus is garbage.

    I want to see what Wacom have in store for their own tablet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/luu.h.binh Luu Huy Thai Binh

    At first I bought note 10.1 because it's spec, but there are somethings really amazing that only the stylus could do and now I think my answer is YES

    • RaptorOO7

      I had the GN10.1 but the screen resolution just wasn't something I could live with. Now that they put 1280x800 on an 8" screen its more palatable.

  • Faiz Abideen

    Stylus support would be awesome, but if you're gonna give me the Note 8, I'll gladly pass.

  • Google_is_the_Higgs_Boson

    I Still don't see the need for a stylus, but wouldn't mind having one, but wouldn't pay more to have one!

  • Jr

    For me it cost more because it worth more. Wacom digitalizer alone make it worth the price. I can imagine lots of things i would do with a galaxy note tablet while other tablets would be useless. And I love the fact this version don't have on screen buttons, seriously this is the worst part of Android IMO, what a expensive waste of screen space.

  • http://AndroidPolice.com/ Liam Spradlin

    I definitely favor stylus support if the digitizer is excellent, based on the potential it would hold for future applications. For example, I would love to be able to hook a 10" tablet up to my laptop or desktop for some precision input in illustrator or photoshop, barring an app that has the same design functions I need.

  • whoknowswhereor

    Is a car worth it? Wtf kinda poll this...

  • GazaIan

    Honestly I don't want to pay millions more just for stylus support, but considering that's pretty much the only option, I would do it. They're absolutely the best to use, and I wouldn't mind replacing my notebook with them.

    • squiddy20

      Millions? Unless you're talking pennies instead of dollars, you don't pay nearly that much more...

      • GazaIan

        Exaggeration, my friend.

      • http://www.facebook.com/sugihc Sugih Cah

        Well we do pay in millions, on the other side of the globe.

        • http://trapchan.blogspot.com trapchan

          yeah ... in some region it's millions

  • Alvin Brinson

    I don't draw, and I don't feel any need to revert to handwriting notes.... Plus, when I've tried the admittedly inferior capacitive styluses, I had a hard time imagining a use case where I really needed it. So, I while I wouldn't mind stylus support, I would not make a purchasing decision based on it, and would not pay extra for it.

  • Brandenlee

    It's not just the stylus, it's the s-note feature.

    • Quint Stoffers

      Pretty much any note taking app has stylus support, s-note is just one of them.

      • RaptorOO7

        This has the Wacom digitizer support which is far more than just using a basic touch screen with a stylus supporting app.

        • Quint Stoffers

          I'm well aware (I own a Note II and a 10.1), there are plenty of apps that can use the additional features (like pressure sensitivity) besides S-note. "Papyrus" for instance.

  • Tyler

    Nexus 10 + $15 stylus pen ... couldn't be happier.

  • I Like Games

    I use a normal stylus with my S3 and i'm very happy and that only cost me $2 so no I would like a stylus but I'm sure as hell not paying anything over $2 for what is really just a plastic pen that can write only a touchscreen.

    • Andrew Kachaniwsky

      Yet another case of somebody else who hasn't spent much time with an S-Pen, comparing it to a capacitive stylus. They are worlds apart... you just can't compare.

  • ElfirBFG

    I would buy one in a heartbeat if it had at least 512 levels of pressure sensitivity and I could use it like a mini Cintiq w/ PS or AI on my computer. It'd be better if they stepped up the res a little bit, but it's still usable in its current state.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Rayun.Mehrab Rayun Mehrab

      Hopefully the next Note 10 inch would come with some more improvements.

  • http://twitter.com/stevenkw stevenkw

    Pressure sensitive stylus would be awesome. Then some killer image editing software. Photoshop???

  • Shawn Bicknell

    I know this isn't really an answer to the stylus question but I have a Note 8.0 and I drive a lot during my work day and love the multi window aspect. Having Maps/Navigation open and a music app (Spotify/SiriusXM) is pretty awesome to me. I would really like to see that feature integrated into Android itself. Still puzzles me why Google lets Samsung have it but was against Cyanogen and others baking support in.

  • Hukka

    Your $400 and here we can't touch that @ $658. With that much money I can get a 40" Full HD LED/ 32" Plasma or a i7 3rd gen laptop with good amount of RAM & HDD comes with a pretty screen or both of them assembled by local companies.
    I even can't get time or scope to use the tablet I bought form a local company.If I am at home, I remain 'more happy with my lappy'. I don't have to flick my right thumb again n' again to scroll while holding its weighty ass.
    If portability is a concern, rather prefer my less than 180g phone, than a 300 odd gram device to hold on to.
    Galaxy Note and well, Note II too ;) is pretty good device but a mobile device bigger than this for me, is a strict no no.
    Some people says on different forums, they use their tablet as their main mobile device!! :O Dude you guys really crave for size! But ever thought why Mankind's got a decent size... instead of having a size of a hockey stick or baseball bat under their underpants. Portability!

  • Luke

    I'm in law school and bought the crazy expensive note 10.1 days after getting my note 2. I use the stylus on both of them daily. Instead of losing notebooks or typing furiously in class, I can just handwrite my notes and never lose them. I can draw pictures to reinforce learning in my notes and just doddle when I want to. It's definitely not for everyone, but for students and the forgetful, the note series is a revelation.

  • moar

    I am willing to pay reasonably more for stylus support.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sum.gai.58 Sum Gai

    The poll is pretty poorly done imo. I mean, of course the votes are skewed towards "free wacom digitizer? Yes!" Obviously such a device is going to be more costly, but the issue with the GNote 8 isn't any of those things. The problem is that it costs twice as much as the Nexus 7 for very comparable hardware, plus a digitizer. At $400 it should have Exynos 5 or at least Snapdragon 600 inside alongside a 1920x1200 screen and a less-anemic battery; with those internals it'd actually be an easy buy for me to replace my aging Tab 7.7 (which is both smaller and thinner yet still packs a larger battery). But as it stands, paying $200 over a Nexus 7 for an active digitizer and microSD slot is just idiotic. I mean, the same $400 gets you Exynos 5250 and 2560x1600 in the Nexus 10.

    Of course some people will get a ton of use out of the S Pen and its software features, and that's great, but it seems to me that Samsung is trying to maintain Apple-like profit margins in an Android tablet business where people can get excellent hardware for very little from Google or ASUS, or even Amazon/B&N if you're into one of those ecosystems. Still, I worry that there isn't much of a market for high-end small tablets, and that might be part of why this is overpriced: if they don't expect to sell many they need to charge more for each unit. I just have to hope Google introduces an updated Nexus 7 with current-generation hardware, unlike the Note 8. (Nexus 8 would be hot!)

    Last point about the digitizer, is that serious artists who are willing to pay for a digitizer are probably more interested in a standalone Wacom tablet or maybe something like the Surface Pro where they can use real Photoshop and whatnot; an 8" screen with ARM hardware may be great for quick notes or doodles, but I don't imagine it's much good for real professional art work.

  • jesuguru

    Never bothered with a stylus before my Note 2, probably wouldn't miss it if I'd bought a different phone. But now I've got it, I appreciate it:
    1) Just remove it, phone turns on and opens basic note app so you can just write something quickly and easily, replace stylus and autosaved. Compare time/effort with opening phone, opening app, typing/swiping/saving and the stylus usually wins.
    2) Makes certain games MUCH easier and more controllable than a big, fat, greasy finger.
    3) Especially during/after eating, you don't want to smudge your screen with greasy fingers (see #2).
    4) Critically, it's *built-in* to the phablet/tablet without adding much weight or space, so if you need it it's there, if you don't, forget it - unlike the LG phablet where it's separate (what's the point?)

    If those points don't compel you, and you don't care about hand-writing electronic notes in classrooms or business meetings, then yeah I'd say it's better to save the money and get an otherwise equivalent stylus-less device.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Dellios/708169066 Matt Dellios

    Before I got my Note II, I had absolutely no intention of using a stylus ever, I couldn't see how they could possibly be relevant in these modern times in which we live. I have never been so wrong! You guys like swype style input right? Well try it with a stylus! It absolutely rules! Eating and don't want to get your greasy fingers all over your expensive screen? Stylus! My point is, it's very hard to understand how great a stylus is until you use one.

  • Babs Oyed

    It's patently obvious that most people who took the poll have not really used the S Pen.
    I thought it was pointless myself until I used a Note II then I bought the Note 10.1 and now I can't possibly see myself using a non Note device because of the S Pen.

    I really don't have to worry about carry pen and paper with me now and I don't have to worry about a sore finger because I've been running my finger across the screen of my phone and tablets.

    I will even pay double the price for a device just to get the version that has the stylus function as well executed as Samsung has done with the S Pen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aleksandr-Ivanov/734916624 Aleksandr Ivanov

    I really hope that proper digitizer support will become a part of Android frameworks and then we will see lots of apps with proper support and only then I will be ready to pay extra. Right now stylus is useless.

  • http://twitter.com/robinashe Robin Ashe

    The number of stylus optimised apps is already enough. A single good drawing app is enough. A few note-taking apps is enough. Hell, Draw Something is awesome with a stylus.

  • Gijsbert

    Presently I am using a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet (the old Android one) which too has an active digitizer. I am most happy with it and have saved tons of paper, folders, cabinet space and what have you. I am truly running a paperless office and enjoying it. It is true that there are not many apps available for tablets with active digitizers, but the few that are about, are truly good ones. For instance mighty LectureNotes and beautiful ezPDF. My next tablet will most certainly be one with Android (I positively hate Windows) and with an active digitizer. The Samsung 10.1 note is at the top of my list (although I am also contemplating the Olivetti).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/keriyn-theph-di-xan-limited/100000964831199 เกรียนเทพ ดี อันลิมิเตด

    I think, Note 8.0 will sell a lot in the country that Google Nexus doesn't available for purchase in Play Store. Outside Play Store, Nexus devices are very very expensive.

  • primalxconvoy

    I wish some devs would actually support the s-pen. Most do, but when a game or app doesn't (and when that app or game especially lends itself to stylus control), I uninstall the app and tell the devs why.

  • edude03

    In theory it's worth paying more for a tablet with a stylus, however android's stylus support isn't amazing yet but it will probably improve if more devices ship with a tablet.

    Therefore, I'd be willing to pay more to get the ball rolling

  • Rob Da Bomb

    Why don't you guys mention the fact that your not just paying for the S-pen but the Micro SD slot that neither the Nexus 7 or iCrap Mini have...I have my NOTE 2 as well with a 64gb card in it and find myself using the S-Pen most of the time....

  • RaptorOO7

    It's a nice add-on benefit, but I'm not sold on it. IF, Samsung had put 32GB + microSD support on the US model I would likely get one. They do make a 16 & 32GB versions both with and without 3G support but NOT in the US.

    So if I want one I have to goto Expansys-USA.com and pay more when Samsung should just offer it directly on their site.

  • hot_spare

    Valid question/poll, wrong forum...

    This question should be addressed to only those who has a need/want for stylus.

    For those who thin stylus is outdated concept, this doesn't even matter.

  • S-Pen is cheap and scratches

    Seeing how I just started finally using the S-Pen on my note II to only have a scratch across the center of the screen.

    NO!

  • Andrew Kachaniwsky

    Surprised at these results.. I will only buy Samsung tablets because of the added S-Pen functionality. Using a Nexus 7 compared to a Note 8 is like night and day! The Pen makes EVERYTHING easier.. from note taking and data entry, to less business-like tasks like sketching/doodling and playing games.

    I struggle to see how a stylus "doesn't matter" to some of you... I can't see how it doesn't make the experience so much better! If you don't want a stylus, you probably haven't spent much time with one of these devices.

    I'd gladly pay a $100 premium to get Pen functionality.

  • Sgndroid

    Saving my class notes in the cloud is simply, priceless!!!!

  • dz

    To be able to take note effectively, or to draw or paint, you need a pressure sensitive "active" pen supported hardware. Now tablets like the "transformers" don't have those. The only stylus that works with them is the capacitative pens (with big rounded rubber tip -- shouldn't even call them tip). So to take note I need tabs like the galaxy note. The feature needed here is not the stylus (the active pen can be bought from third party for $50 or less), nor the note taking app (papyrus will do for me), but you need the proper hardware on the display for the pen to work. And that is where you need to pay the extra bucks on the tab.

  • Sean

    Its expensive maybe because it has a Wacom digitizer. The screen is small & portable too.

  • lisaa7002

    I've spent about a week seriously researching what tablet to buy. Right now Wal-Mart has a refurbished Note 10 for $329. I think that, along with great specs makes it the best deal on the market right now. Looking very forward to using the pen, but hadn't gone looking for one. Have a stylus for my phones and other tablet, but always found them too bulky & would never remember where I left them. Was a little worried about the cheap plastic everyone is complaining about, but will just get the $50 -2 year ext. warr.- covers cracks & handling mishaps. Didn't get one for old tab. & have had problems I didn't fix because I hadn't gotten it.

  • Pavel

    Stylus is amazing add when done properly. I think the new Cintiq Companion Hybrid will be a huge hit...I am getting one as soon as Wacom start selling these beauties.

  • marc

    I love my stylus on the note 10.1, and since using it, especially for writing in class, Ill never buy another tablet without an active stylus

  • SaintEnoch

    To my mind the "Samsung's Note tablets are catering to a non-starter market" could not be more off the mark.

    Admittedly it isn't suitable for quality artwork but how many serious digital artists use a tablet/phablet for anything more than rough sketching?

    The notes are are clearly aimed at business users and as a business user I must say that my note 3 fits the bill perfectly (or as perfectly as is currently available). I initially chose the Note 3 because I have sausage fingers, I just cannot type on a touchscreen keyboard & capacitive styli aren't much slimmer than my fingers! With the S-pen I can write texts & emails in my own handwriting. That alone made it invaluable but going back to business, it can be used for signing contracts on a PDF form with a free app - I haven't had need to test it yet but the developers claim that the signature is forensically verifiable. That should be enough to sell it to any business user.