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Sometimes, getting companies to admit what we all know is a huge game of cat and mouse. We all know, for example, that Motorola was still making phones before Google bought the company and still has to release some of those phones. We can also guess, based on the most recent Googorola announcements, that the hardware is good, but not really up to the standards we have come to expect from, say, the Nexus line. Well, in a stunning display of candor, Google's CFO agrees.

During a session at the Morgan Stanley Technology Conference, the Chief Financial Officer for the software giant said that the products that Motorola is currently working on "aren't 'wow' by Google standards." That's not just speaking about past devices (which companies are typically more willing to be honest about). He's referring to future devices as well.

Here's the full context of the quote:

"The case with Motorola is that we've inherited a pipeline. Motorola has a great set of products, but they're not really like 'wow' by Google standards. Dennis Woodside and his team have inherited 18 months of pipeline that we have to drain right now."

That's some pretty gross imagery to use in describing products you hope consumers will buy in the future. Especially when we're only 9 months in to that 18 month product pipeline. The wait for Google-caliber hardware out of Motorola is only half over. We can expect (read: hope) to hear about some "'wow' by Google standards" phones by December at the earliest.

While the wait is painful (and mobile hardware moves fast), it's still extremely exciting. What this means is that not only should we expect things to get better than the RAZR M and RAZR MAXX HD (which are actually pretty good phones with amazing battery life and horrible names), we should expect things to be even better than whatever Motorola puts out this year.

It's never a good sign when a company says "Look, these products we haven't even released yet? They're not the best they could be." It is, however, encouraging when it says "These products we still need people to buy are nothing compared to what's coming."

Source: The Verge

Eric Ravenscraft
Eric is a snarky technophile with a taste for the unusual. When he's not obsessing about Android, you can usually find him obsessing about movies, psychology, or the perfect energy drink. Eric weaves his own special blend of snark, satire, and comedy into all his articles.

  • mesmorino

    Google needs to OWN the RAZR MAXX line. Nobody gives a shit about how fancy your phone is if it can't even last a day with reasonable use. The MAXX though... I would forgive Google all of their sins if they would just give me a phone that stays alive without me having to keep an eye on the juice

    And while we're at it, fucking make a more useful battery meter already! I want numbers, hard and fast percentages! In the entire history of mobile phones that stupid green bar has helped precisely NO ONE. When I look at it I don't want to know that I have "enough" juice, I want to know EXACTLY how much juice I have! It's not rocket science, jeez

    • Pyrotek85

      That's my number one gripe about smart phones. I want something that can last a solid 8-12 hours of medium-heavy use (depending on your definition). I'm fine having to charge once a day otherwise, but I'd like it to be running when I'm awake and working.

    • marcusmaximus04

      Android 4.2 has the exact battery percentage under quick settings. Further, Android has always had the exact battery percentage under settings->About Status

      • mesmorino

        So does 4.1, I have it on my SGS3. The problem is that it displays it in addition to, rather than instead of the stupid green bar.

        • Guest

          oh.
          well my old defy displays a two-pixel wide green-and-white line and the % besides it. that's ideal, but tbh i'm not bothered by this as much as you are.

          • GraveUypo

            damn message got sent without attachments and as a guest for some reason:

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            oh.
            well my old defy displays a two-pixel wide green-and-white line and the % besides it. that's ideal, but tbh i'm not bothered by this as much as you are.

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          • mesmorino

            I'd take the two pixel line, believe me. I tend to get a lot of notifications, if there was a way to reduce the fixed items there (signal status, network status, alarm, battery, clock), or just reduce their sizes I'd take them. I don't need the clock there for example (and I wish I could get rid of it too), the battery I do need but I need it to be more informative

        • marcusmaximus04

          Quick settings was new to 4.2.... I'm not sure what you have on the SGS3, but on my Nexus 4, it's just a matter of pulling down the notification shade and pressing the quick settings button.

          At any rate, I'll take the cleaner look of visually showing a rough battery-left icon with an option to check exact percentage in a swipe and a press over displaying percentage on top of the icon like I've seen in custom ROMs. I typically don't need to know the exact percentage, but even when I do, it's about 1 second to get to it.

          • mesmorino

            On the galaxy s3 you can enable a toggle in the settings that shows you the battery percentage left, I thought it was an android thing. It may be a samsung/touchwiz thing

    • GraveUypo

      what are you talking about? there's always been an option to show the percentage of the battery left. like so.

      • mesmorino

        See my comment, below.

    • Scott

      Totally agree. They need to make more phones similar to the Maxx line of phones.My Maxx HD lasts for 2-4 days depending on my usage.

    • http://www.facebook.com/andresdroid Andres Schmois

      I have a razr maxx, BEST DEVICE EVER. I gave up the battery removal for possibly the best battery life any phone has. I once left my phone tethering (what? I don't tether...) all night and woke up with 70% of battery.

  • GraveUypo

    oh i forgot google bought motorola.
    RIP awesome dedicated hdmi ports and sd cards slots

    • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

      Tbh, I'd rather have an MHL port or SlimPort than dedicated HDMI.

      • Sankyou

        Why? MHL requires power and an additional dongle.

      • Sankyou

        Dedicated HDMI all the way. MHL needs power and an extra dongle.

        • Anfronie

          only if you do not have a MHL device

    • marcusmaximus04

      The Nexus 10 has a dedicated hdmi port.

  • Nigel Wong

    just thinking maybe they should get rid of the motorola brand or completely redo the motorola image. When I hear motorola now I only think of 2nd tier and not top of the line.

    • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

      They're pretty much in the same position Apple was before Steve Jobs came back and saved them. Great company, great hardware, amazing history, but in danger of falling down the pecking order.

  • etche

    project X goes to the toilet? or is it planned for 2014?

    • Ryuuie

      Or it simply never existed and tech blogs are just speculating and believing their own rumors.

      Remember the "five Nexus devices" rumor? Remember when that somehow changed to "five OEMs are going to make Nexus devices"? Remember the "Galaxy Nexus 2" or "Xperia Nexus"?

      Basically, the WSJ said that Google might be working with several OEMs and the rumors spun. WSJ also reported that Google may make stores, the rumors spun.

      This isn't a knock against AP (ALL of the techblogs do this) but it seems that whenever the WSJ says something, people either take it as 100% fact or take it 100% literal and let the rumors spin forever.

      It's okay, it's like this with Apple products too so no one is immune. Except maybe Windows Phone and Blackberry because no one cares about them.

      • LewisSD

        Nexus Q
        Nexus 4
        Nexus 10
        Nexus 7 wifi
        Nexus 7 3g

        Just saying...

        • Anthony Tarantino

          Nexus Q was cancelled, so it doesn't count anymore.

          • LewisSD

            You're right, but at the time the WSJ made that comment you referred to it wasn't canceled so it does count in the context of this conversation.

          • Ryuuie

            Again, your listed devices don't count. Besides, the rumor didn't kick in until around the time the new Nexus was about to come out. So, the techblogs are still in the wrong.

            Simply put, the X Phone most likely does not exist and we're all hoping for something that won't happen. Dates or not, we would've gotten something by now. A blurry cam image, a blurry cam video, that Panda guy leaking things on Twitter, someone posting specs. Something.

            We have absolutely nothing but rumors and speculation and we have actual facts pointing towards it not happening.

        • Ryuuie

          None of those count.

          First off, that's only Google (not an OEM), LG, Samsung, and ASUS. The rumors claimed five OEMs, not "three OEMs and Google".

          Second, The WSJ posted the article AFTER the Q and the 7 came out. That automatically rules those two (three if you count the 3G Nexus 7) devices out. That leaves us only LG and Samsung. Last I checked "two" does not equal the same as "five".

          So, in the end, the techblogs are simply running with rumors. This time last year, we had sources mentioning the Nexus 10 and 4 and even some mentioning the 3G Nexus 7. If the "X Phone" was real, we'd have more news by now than just rumors by techblogs to go by.

          In all honestly, all of the real and credible articles have pointed to that this isn't going to happen.

          • LewisSD

            If you read the article from the WSJ you will find that it says "as many as 5 OEMs". Also, if you do look up the article you will also notice the date it was posted: 3/15/2012...pretty sure the nexus 7 and nexus Q were released in July 2012

          • LewisSD

            Regardless, tech blogs did blow it out of proportion and over hype it... But that's what brings readers like us to their sight to make them add revenue so I don't blame them

          • Ryuuie

            They can and SHOULD be at fault. They're overhyping things just for money, not reporting actual facts. That's not the sign of a good blog, that's the sign of greed.

            If a website is reporting false information, why would you continue to go there to be lied to?

          • LewisSD

            Lol... I go for the contests, and info on good new apps. When it comes to rumors I just take them as a grain of salt.

          • itznfb

            You're mixing blogging and journalism. Granted journalism is all but dead but overhyping, techgasms and nerd raging is exactly what blogging is about.

        • Elliot Kotis

          Nexus Q doesn't count, Nexus 7 wifi and 3g are the same product, just different variant.

    • Asphyx

      He may have been talking from only a Phone perspective and not the tablet market.

  • hot_spare

    wow!

  • Greyhame

    I like the take you have on this story. More reasonable and less knee-jerk than the Verge.

  • Alex

    For me the Motorola Razr Maxx are one of the best. Man... that 3300mah, it's really something, in a medium size phone. It was 4.3" whit 9mm. Why no one else put such battery in a phone.

    • Justin Winker

      See, I think they did even better with the Razr Maxx HD - same form factor with a larger screen and the same battery. Win-win-win.

    • Sankyou

      Agreed. Love my Razr Maxx to this day and all the way until I can get a new phone this September.

  • Alan Den

    Google's CFO: "Motorola has a great set of products, but they're not really like 'wow'
    by Google standards. Dennis Woodside and his team have inherited 18
    months of pipeline that we have to drain right now."

    Wait! He was only talking about products currently on the marketplace, not future products.

    Android Police: "That's not just speaking about past devices . He's referring to future devices as well."

    Really? How did you extract that from his quote?

    • Andy_in_Indy

      From the article, "Especially when we're only 9 months in to that 18 month product pipeline."

      • Alan Den

        Huh, that's Android Police's quote though, not Google. Google's CFO exactly said: "Remember, we inherited 12 to 18 months of a product pipeline we have had to work through"

        Google bought Motorola in May 2012 then we could see the first Motorola phone entirely made by Google in May 2013... Just 3 months away.

        And that still doesn't explain how Android police come to say he was referring to future devices as well.

        • joser116

          You are correct sir. Plus, they could just ADD another product to the EXISTING pipeline. Even then, Pickette didn't exactly point out WHICH products were not up to Google standards, he could have meant the Motorola products that are ALREADY out. READ THE QUOTE CAREFULLY. P.S.- The quote listed here is not the original quote, this quote has varied among the many tech sites.

          • Guest

            ...

          • Alan Den

            There are two quotes from the same guy.

            Google's CFO: "Remember, we inherited 12 to 18 months of a product pipeline we have had to work through". [January 22]

            Google's CFO: "Motorola has a great set of products, but they're not
            really like 'wow' by Google standards. Dennis Woodside and his team have
            inherited 18
            months of pipeline that we have to drain right now." [February 28]

            Today, Google's CFO was speaking globally about the timeline, but the
            exact product pipeline as we know is 12 to 18 months. Now, that means we
            could see the first Motorola phone entirely made by Google in May 2013.

          • joser116

            Yes I know Allen, I agree with you. Only the first sentence of my reply was for you. The rest was for anyone who thought that this meant that Google wasn't going to release the X Phone in time for Google IO, but who knows anyways. We can't be sure. What I can be sure of is that the CFO wasn't very specific so let's keep our hopes up. I totally agree with you and that the article should be rewritten. Yes, the CFO said they acquired 18 months of pipeline FROM MOTOROLA, but Google could have added a new product to the existing pipeline (the X Phone) immediately following the merger, aside from the 18 months of pipeline they acquired from Moto. Honestly, I believe that the ones twisting the quotes is not you, but the many writers reporting on this story. That's not to say that the twisting was done on purpose on their part. It was just what they got out of it at first impression. In other words, I agree with you.

          • joser116

            NO ONE WAS TWISTING ANY WORDS. YOU GUYS JUST HAVE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS OF IT, AND THE INTERPRETATION OF THIS AUTHOR HAS SOME ERRORS IN IT. That is not to say anybody is correct or incorrect, but what we can be sure is that this does not mean that we won't see the X Phone in May. That is where the author goes wrong; he totally rules out the possibility that the phone will be released in May, but we cannot tell that from the quote. It is just that the author's interpretation had errors in it, that is all I was pointing out.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/author/eric-ravenscraft/ Eric Ravenscraft

            You can't say "That is not to say anybody is correct or incorrect" *and* say that I'm wrong.

            Look. Do you really want me to dissect these X phone rumors? Because boy could we ever do that. Here's the primary source of the mythical X phone: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324731304578191711598368942.html

            The only reference to when that phone will be released, within the context of that Wall Street Journal piece (who has a habit of being close, but not perfect with rumors...they predicted multiple Nexuses, but did not nail down the exact nature of the devices), is "next year." That could refer to December as easily as it could May.

            And where are people getting this ambitious May release date? Well, here's one source: http://www.droid-life.com/2013/01/21/wild-rumor-motorola-x-phone-to-multiple-carriers-sold-cheaply-in-google-play-and-unlockable-on-verizon/ A forum thread (info mirrored by Droid-Life, but the thread was later closed) claimed it would come out during I/O. Also, it would be available on multiple carriers and unlockable on Verizon.

            We get a dozen reports like this a month and some of them always get coverage. Hell, we once got a report that the new Nexus line was going to be introduced by Robert Downey Jr. That same tipster leaked different stories to different news outlets and eventually outed himself as a hoaxster: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/10/08/the-customization-center-project-roadrunner-rumor-was-an-elaborate-hoax-and-excellent-rumor-mill-case-study/ There is a ton of misinformation out there and some people do it for no better reason than to fuck with you.

            I get it. You guys REALLLLLLLLY want a super-charged Motorola X Phone designed by Google, available on all carriers, $350 off contract, unlockable on Verizon, with an amazing battery, stock Android and a 1080p display (see, I can write these teaser sheets too). But the facts just don't add up. When you look at credible sources, that is to say people who work at Google or have reliable track records, there is no reason nor justification for twisting what the CFO said into something it doesn't say. You know what he said? 18 months of product pipeline inherited by Motorola. That pipeline began in May of 2012 when Google bought the company. It couldn't have started any earlier. Not legally. Outside of a wild flurry of Mary Sue rumors, where everyone ascribes any feature they'd like to the mythical device because literally anything Motorola releases now could be called the X phone, there would be no argument over what he means. We're nine months in. There is no definition of a product pipeline that allows us to reasonably conclude what he means is "Only devices out right now are the crappy ones and all the future ones are better." Hell, even if Google DID "add things" (which is a process that's a lot more complicated than people seem to think...you can't just add on a whole new phone project without hiring new people, and expect things to go smoothly. Oh and Motorola has been firing people), that STILL wouldn't make my "interpretation" false! The only thing that makes what I said wrong is if Motorola killed off all of its future products after the RAZR MAXX HD announcement (which would've been FOUR months after the purchase) and the company will release nothing but the X Phone. All hail the X Phone.

            Is that really what you guys think is going to happen? Do you really believe that Google decided to gut Motorola and turn it into a Nexus factory, making only one unicorn phone a year, and completely obliterating the rest of Motorola's product line, despite the fact that the company still needs to make a profit because it was losing money prior to the purchase? Is that really what your analysis is? Because that's the only way that what I said could be wrong. Four months after the Motorola purchase was the last time Motorola launched new phones. It's now 9 months after the purchase. Even by the loose definition of 12 months (which he's no longer quoting), we have only two interpretations of what the CFO said: future Motorola devices (maybe not all of them! All hail the X Phone!) will be below standards, or Google killed off everything that Motorola was planning to produce except the Almighty X Phone, and they were able to drain 18 months of product pipeline in four months and build a brand new, awesome phone in 12 months.

            I think I'll continue to plant my flag on the reasonable side of the fence that's in sync with what the CFO actually said, not hopeful dreams of what may be.

          • joser116

            First of all, no one is twisting anything, they are just different interpretations of what I said. Let me said where I said you went wrong. I said you did wrong in completely knocking off the possibility of having the X Phone by Google IO; THAT is were you went wrong. Second of all, YOU are the one that is saying the CFO said something when they really didn't say it, and I have provided examples of that with evidence. Third of all, I never said "Google could have killed off everything that Motorola was planning to produce except the Almighty X Phone". Fifth, can I please ask you to stop being so sensationalist in your responses? It really comes off as insulting.

            Then you replied to me, "Do you really believe that Google decided to gut Motorola and turn it into a Nexus factory, making only one unicorn phone a year, and completely obliterating the rest of Motorola's product line, despite the fact that the company still needs to make a profit because it was losing money prior to the purchase? Is that really what your analysis is? Because that's the only way that what I said could be wrong. " When did I say anything about Google turning Motorola into a Nexus factory, making only one unicorn phone a year?O_o.

            HOLD ON A COUPLE OF HOURS RAVENSCRAFT, I ACCIDENTALLY HIT THE SUBMIT BUTTON, I AM NOT DONE YET

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/author/eric-ravenscraft/ Eric Ravenscraft

            Man. Thread over. That is great.

          • joser116

            If that is your response, then ok.
            P.S. I have just finished with my response, it is complete now.

        • not a douche

          the quote is two scrolls up, the least you could do is get it correct. 12 to 18 months was never said. he said 18 months flat douche.

          • Alan Den

            Don't be arrogant when you're wrong. There are two quotes from the same guy.

            Patrick Pichette: "Remember, we inherited 12 to 18 months of a product pipeline we have had to work through". [January 22]

            Patrick Pichette: "Motorola has a great set of products, but they're not
            really like 'wow' by Google standards. Dennis Woodside and his team have
            inherited 18 months of pipeline that we have to drain right now." [February 28]

            Today, Google's CFO was speaking globally about the timeline, but the
            exact product pipeline as we know is 12 to 18 months. Now, that means we
            could see the first Motorola phone entirely made by Google in May 2013.

    • Freak4Dell

      Yeah, I thought that was a bit of a stretch, too. Sure, he's extracting that from this being 9 months since Google bought Motorola, but there's no telling if the 18 months started from when the purchase was approved, or from when the deal was first struck. We went through months of regulatory approval before the purchase was actually official.

      • RedPandaAlex

        Not to mention, Google could easily have taken a product in development and Googlified it as they did with the Nexus 7 and the Nexus 4. I mean, the Nexus 4 is a modified Optimus G, and the Optimus G still came to market. The X phone could be something like that and have plenty of time to be announced at I/O.

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/author/eric-ravenscraft/ Eric Ravenscraft

          We can't really know how long Google was talking with LG about the Nexus 4. Given how old the Nexus program is, we have every reason to think that Google was already planning the next phone as soon as, if not before the Galaxy Nexus was released.

          As for the Nexus 7, that's probably the closest look we have to the production cycle, but even that's not entirely easy to pin down. After all, the device was nearly complete when ASUS announced its $250 tablet at CES in 2012, and Google changed very little of the internals (and who knows how long it took ASUS to design those). Also, the 3G version came out months later. We can't know if that's because Google suddenly decided it needed a 3G model, or if that was part of the plan the entire time and Google/ASUS needed more time to design it.

          Unfortunately, guessing product timelines is a haphazard art at best and, more often than not, if you bet on the shorter end of the release schedule instead of the longer, you're going to lose. It sucks, but it's true.

      • http://www.androidpolice.com/author/eric-ravenscraft/ Eric Ravenscraft

        I doubt Google would've been allowed to actually do anything with Motorola before regulatory approval. That's kind of the nature of having regulatory approval. Google might've been able to come up with ideas, but without being able to actually look at Motorola's internals (keep in mind, they were separate companies up until the deal was struck), there's little they could really do. If Google had the people on staff to build phones already, it would be a phone manufacturer.

        • Freak4Dell

          But the point of contention isn't whether or not Google was making Motorola phones before the approval or not. We all know they weren't. The question is whether they consider the pipeline inherited from the day they struck the deal, or fromt he day the deal went official. Do you consider a car yours the day you drive it off the lot, or the day you pay off the loan? Different people have different definitions, and I don't think it's easy to jump to a conclusion here.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/author/eric-ravenscraft/ Eric Ravenscraft

            If I couldn't drive the car until I paid off the loan, then I'd consider it mine until the loan was paid off.

            It doesn't matter what Google "considers" the inherited pipeline. The fact is, they would not have had access nor authority to do anything about Motorola's pipeline until the deal was finalized. That wasn't a loan-type situation where Google made the final payments. That was the approval point. When Google was first allowed to buy Motorola with regulatory approval. In fact, if we're applying a car purchase analogy, May 2012 would still be "drive off the lot" day.

            I really don't see any other way to interpret this inherited pipeline when it would've been illegal for Google to affect Motorola's pipeline in any tangible way before May of 2012. You'll notice that they also installed a new CEO after that point, too, because that's when they finally had authority. Anything beyond that is just speculation. "Well, maybe they already had six months worth of plans on the X Phone!" I mean, okay...nice thought. But that's not really much more than wishful thinking. And more importantly, history does not bear that out when we look at similar situations.

          • Freak4Dell

            I'm not sure why you keep saying it would have been illegal for Google to affect the pipeline. It's not illegal for companies to collaborate. To create the Nexus 4, did Google just say, "Hey, LG, we like that Optimus G you made, so we're going to buy a bunch, put a Nexus sticker on it, and sell it as the Nexus 4." It's more likely they collaborated through the whole design process, meaning they affected LG's pipeline by directly contributing to the Optimus G.

            Now, I'm not saying the X Phone rumors are true. I don't know that they are, and there's certainly not enough evidence to say it's true. I'm just saying that I don't think there's only one way to interpret the statement.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/author/eric-ravenscraft/ Eric Ravenscraft

            Collaborating is one thing, but what you're talking about is making overriding decisions on current Motorola products (somehow I doubt Motorola would approve that before it knows it's going to be purchased), overriding the decisions of current executives (keep in mind that Google installed its own CEO and team of leaders to entirely replace the old guard, so Sanjay would've had to be cool with Google telling it what to do until then), and even injecting new products.

            The Nexus program is very structurally different from a completely in-house production process. People seem to think that "Google talks with other manufacturers" means "Google dictates what they do." That's not the case. For starters, Google doesn't have the manufacturing prowess to do half the work. Putting together the underlying hardware is firmly outside of what Google does. In fact, all Google seems to mess with is the software and design of the hardware. And even that has been described repeatedly as "We make suggestions, they go back and redo them, and come back to us." They set up specific teams to collaborate, but that's a lot different from just telling Motorola what to do. And even if they could do that, do you really think either company would want to risk creating a pseudo-Nexus program with Motorola, just to circumvent a few months of delays while they wait on regulatory approval for total autonomy, and potentially piss off the FTC *and* their other hardware partners? Google has a fine line here to walk. Much of what would be necessary to change Motorola's existing pipeline is illegal (again, keeping in mind we're 9 months in...Google couldn't have discontinued the next 3-9 months of products before regulatory approval. That IS illegal), and they couldn't really order Motorola to add anything. Only request it at best as part of something similar to the Nexus program. Yet, Motorola consistently failed to get a Nexus. The signs indicate Google needed more control over Motorola to affect any real change. The kind of control it could not legally acquire until after the purchase. You're still just imagining scenarios while ignoring the real-life complications of building a smartphone.

            I'm sorry, but no matter how you slice this, everything everyone is saying here amounts to "I really want a cool new Motorola phone in May instead of December and, because I can't wait, here are some possible scenarios that Google could've pursued to make it happen faster." Which, hey, go for it. Speculate away. But no one is providing any explanation for *why* Google could or would do those things and there are a plethora of reasons not to. In fact, there's plenty of evidence to make us believe they didn't accelerate the process. Yet people are consistently telling me, not just that they disagree with me, but that I'm wrong for siding with facts and evidence.

            There are a thousands ways to interpret any statement. But every single one I've read for this one, besides what I presented here (and by this point in the discussion, a day later, I've read plenty) does not stand up to scrutiny and essentially boils down to "I want this imaginary phone sooner rather than later, so let's come up with ways to interpret these statements some other way than what they very obviously are."

          • Freak4Dell

            This is just going in circles at this point. To be clear, I never once said Google was influencing Motorola before they officially owned them. All I said is that it's possible that they considered the 18 months starting from the day the deal was struck.

            Like I said, I don't think the X Phone rumor is true. Frankly, I don't care if it's true. If it's a real phone, there's a 99.9% chance that it will have a huge screen, so I won't be interested in it anyway. I have no incentive to believe it's true. That being said, it's actually perfectly plausible that this so called X Phone, if it exists, could be a collaborative effort and could be released in May. If the design cycle takes 18 months, then for a phone to be released in May 2013, the design process started in December of 2011. Google and Motorola's wedding was in May. The design process would have been 6 months in, meaning the hardware would have been very alpha at this point. If Google is mostly concerned with the software side, 12 months is more than enough time to mate the software to the hardware. The two glaring differences between a Motorola phone and a Nexus phone are the software and the microSD slot. The microSD slot is easy to get rid of. There's plenty of reasons to write off rumors of a Googorola phone coming out in May, but saying Google didn't have time to make it isn't a good one, IMO. I write it off for other reasons, like how a Nexus phone was just announced recently (I really would hate to see Google pump out new hardware as fast as they pump out Android builds), or how Motorola was probably under contract with Verizon to design phones for them, etc.

          • joser116

            I like your last sentence

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/author/eric-ravenscraft/ Eric Ravenscraft

      I extracted it because he referred to an 18 month timeline. As I explained in the post, we're about halfway through that 18 month timeline (yes, other reports have said 12-18 months, but this one clearly says 18 and frankly saying 12 months just feels overly optimistic). And either way, even if we're going on a 12-month cycle, there's still a few months left in that. Plenty of time for more devices to be released. That's a lot of time, no matter how you slice it, that Motorola needs to sell phones.

      Is it *all* future devices? No. But there's no reason to think that he *only* means the devices announced last September and that everything else in Motorola's pipeline right now, that is literally impossible for Google to have started from scratch, is A-OK.

      Edit: Also, I just noticed that the Verge article we sourced updated after we posted including the audio of the source. I just listened to it and he does say, around 1:14, "we've inherited 18 months of pipeline." That's not "our" quote. That's *the* quote.

      • Alan Den

        Google's CFO: "Motorola has a great set of products, but they're not really like 'wow' by Google standards. Dennis Woodside and his team have inherited 18
        months of pipeline that we have to drain right now." [February 28]

        18 months of a product pipeline doesn't mean that future devices will be
        a part of it as you said. You can't write this because you have no words from Google, no actual facts (and from my own knowledge it doesn't make sense). They bought Motorola in May 2012. 18 months of a product pipeline *only* means they will have to work with ex-Motorola stuff from May 2012 to November 2013.

        Google's CFO: "Remember, we inherited 12 to 18 months of a product pipeline we have had to work through". [January 22]

        That's not "my" quote. That's Google's quote, too. And I never said the one you
        reported today was wrong. Read my first comment again, I've even copied it myself. And in my second comment I was only replying to someone else in a different context.
        Today, Google's CFO was speaking globally about the timeline, but the exact product pipeline as we know is 12 to 18 months. Now, that means we could see the first Motorola phone entirely made by Google in May 2013.

        Sadly, almost everyone is missing the Google's CFO point. What he's saying is that actual Motorola's products are garbage, but what Google will do with the manufacturer soon will just be "wow", so be prepared to be amazed.

        Also, in my first comment it was also a mistake from my part when I said it was *only* talking about products currently available on the marketplace. No, I have no words from Google, they could release a new headphone from the pipeline (but not a phone though) ;-) However, seriously I think you should greatly update your article.

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/author/eric-ravenscraft/ Eric Ravenscraft

          I can appreciate your opinion, but no, I won't be updating the article. The fact is, you're twisting the CFO's quotes (as well as other older quotes) in the *hopes* that *maybe* it doesn't mean what we all know it does. 18 months of a product pipeline means products. That's what he's talking about. That's how these things go. We watch this all the time. As a very visible example, Matias Duarte was hired by Google in May of 2010. By December of that year, Gingerbread was announced. It was ugly. Horribly designed. Six months in to the product pipeline and very little had changed.

          Fast forward to February of 2011 and Honeycomb comes out. It was still unfinished, buggy, looked a little nicer (and a lot closer to what ICS eventually ended up looking like), but still very much an unfinished product. This timeline mirrors Google's acquisition of Motorola almost perfectly. They bought the company in May, new products were released in September and, here we are in February and the effects of Google still aren't seen. Oh and it's worth pointing out that Ice Cream Sandwich, the OS that really brought Android to its new look under Duarte, took 19 months from his initial hiring to final release.

          This is how product cycles work. 18 months is a reasonable timeframe for completely new products to be released under new management. 12 months is low-balling it, frankly. I don't find it to be a coincidence that this more candid quote doesn't cushion itself. In 12 months we might see a difference, but 18 months is the reasonable amount of time to expect to see a new product line with full Google influence.

          Oh, and as for proof that there are future products in a 12-18 month pipeline...come on. Really? It's just wishful thinking. You're *hoping* Google is going to release the new X Phone ZOMG by May of 2013, but when you actually listen to what the man said, he says 18 months of product pipeline. Products. Things. To sell. We are 9 months in. There will be more phones released that come out without being built entirely under the new Google team.

          The difference between our analyses is that I'm speaking from years of experience following and covering product cycles and you're taking the lowest possible amount of time that you can glean from any quote the guy made and jump to the conclusion that when he says "We inherited 18 months of product pipeline" what he really means is "9 months in and we've already cleared out all the old stuff and, in three months, we'll release a completely new phone because that, technically, will be 12 months!" It's just overly hopeful and not based on any kind of reasonable reality. I'd like it to be true. I really would. Believe me. But there's just no intellectually honest way to interpret this (or any) of his quotes that don't result in the same conclusion: there won't be a wholly-Google made phone from Motorola for at least several more months.

          • Gav456

            I'd like it to be true, too. My contact is up in October and I *hope* something nexusy is out by then.I'm kinda inclined to go with Eric on this, AP know their shit and tend to nail it.

            Love how you guys bitch-slap trolls with pure awesomeness... Artem does it best, but this was sassy too =P

          • http://twitter.com/sam1am John Samuel αΩ

            Eh.. honestly I think this article reads more into the quote than is there. He's talking about a specific 18 month pipeline that Motorola has. It has nothing to do with other projects Google may have started there. He's talking specifically about what they inherited.

        • http://codytoombs.wordpress.com/ Cody Toombs

          I don't think there was anything in that quote to suggest that he thought Motorola's products are "garbage". Even if he is just being polite, the worst I would take from his quote is that they're more excited about the things they have to add to Motorola's existing standards.

          I see where you're coming from on the potential for an earlier release. I even partially agree with the possibility that something could be launched in May if Google really wants to hit the accelerator. The problem with the theory is that there are already a lot of contracts signed and sales that have been made. This "pipeline" consists of deals made by Motorola to purchase chips, materials, and screens. Designs were put to paper (well, CAD software) and manufacturing facilities configured to make use of these raw materials. Motorola also made deals with carriers to sell products with a certain lineup of specs and software, most of which have a target release window that can't have much deviation. In the end, Google has to deliver on promises (read: legally enforceable contracts) that Motorola already made.

          Sure, Google could probably get creative and squeeze something in between the schedules for other products, but that is a lot harder than most people realize. In many ways, this is the same discussion that surrounded the Nexus 4 last month, when people started to realize how many steps went into spinning up production on a product. The process to go through design, testing, planning, production, and finally distribution isn't something to be taken lightly; especially when it relies on fitting the last 3 steps in between the schedules of other products that are already locked in.

        • Elliot Kotis

          Go make your own Android News, stop bothering AP's admins, they have probably done a lot of research on it, and you are reading and interpretating them wrongly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lucyparanormal Daniel Tiberius

    Bye bye X Phone.

  • Richard Yarrell

    This isn't surprising at all and to think this is what Google brought to ward off Samsung...Hate to say it Motorola is one of the BIGGEST JOKES of the android platform. But they rather be concerned with Samsung Google is ridiculous in my eyes. They need to focus on the sagging manufacturers that are not pulling their weight in the android universe instead of worrying about Samsung. The bottom line here without Samsung the android platform wouldn't even be credible even Google's NEXUS LINE is very soft especially compared to Samsung. As I stated before and will always continue to say SAMSUNG IS ANDROID 213 million handsets sold 40% of the technology market that alone speak for it's self. Google better be thanking their lucky stars.

    • David

      For Christ's sake, even us regular Internet users who follow Android blogs can't stand this guy trolling and flaming anymore. My goodness, as if his feud with that squiddy guy wasn't enough. If were a site admin, this persona non grata would be banned in advance.

    • Freak4Dell

      Enjoy your half-assed phones from Samsung built from the shittiest plastic known to man. I'll be quite happy over here with my solidly built Motorola that has better radios than any other brand out there.

  • http://visionaforethought.wordpress.com/ Oflife

    :=)

  • Asphyx

    I wonder what exactly is WOW by Google standards?

    Nexus 7 had no WLAN, HDMI port or Back facing camera. Had nice horses under the engine but didn't have nearly the versatility or features of my Xoom. And Thanks to that being semi-nexus anyway I'm already running 4.2 on it....

    I wonder what the NEXT big feature will be...If it takes another 9 Months so be it.

    I would be happy if all the did in that time was unlock the bootloaders so I could add my own WOW to it.

    • RocketScience11

      Remember though that the N7's wow factor was it's price. Even almost a year later it's the best tablet for the money.

      • itznfb

        Exactly. The N7 completely redesigned the pricing standard to small tablets.

      • Asphyx

        Yes it revoloutinized price but at the expense of features.

        You wouldn't call an E-Machine desktop a WOW merely based on the fact it set the low end market on desktops.

        And it could be said that Amazon did as much to lower the prices as the Nexus did. The whole point of the Nexus was to make it the GooglePlay version of the Kindle Fire with the only advantage being you were not locked into buying from one seller like the Kindle did with Amazon.

        It's been two years now since the very first Android Tablet (Xoom which I have) came out. Asus and Samsung are the only two who have released a Tablet with as many features as the Prototype Xoom had. I want to see the next Gen of Tablets not cheaper, scaled down, feature stripped to keep the cost down models.

        That doesn't really WOW me at all considering what I already have.

        So maybe I'm looking at it from a Power user POV and not the average consumer but most of the new models have less as far as ports and features as the tablet I have. And that just doesn't wow me because I'm used to having a lot more.

  • Freak4Dell

    This has me curious as to what's to come. I think as far as hardware goes, Motorola's phones are pretty awesome already. They're built incredibly well, and they have specs to match most of their competitors. It's not like the Nexus series is balls-to-the-wall better than anything else, at least in the hardware realm. I'd be happy with unlockable bootloaders (which is really a Verizon issue, but whatever) and getting rid of blur, but if Google wants to up the wow factor, I won't complain.

  • Zaatour36

    I think Motorola should make their products available overseas, as the same time it launch in the states, this will bring a larger customer base.

    I would love to get a Moto device, but the god ones are mostly CDMA, or outdated sepcs/late arrival of GSM copy.

  • jimmysmalia

    Get me the Xperia Nexus.

    • itznfb

      This is a dream of mine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Charitos/536042829 John Charitos

    come on moto nexus or htc nexus

  • http://profiles.google.com/adamtruelove Adam Truelove

    The Droid RAZR Maxx HD hardware is pretty Wow, I'd say. The software is not.

  • chris2kari

    Does anybody need further proof that the Google executive team need to be fired & replaced with people having commercial acumen?
    Can you imagine Apple exec's publicly stating that the next iphones will be shit?
    Wtf?????

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