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Jan
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At last, my collection is complete. Just the other day I received my invite to the beta of Redbox Instant. I was excited. The idea sounds great: it's like Netflix, but you also get four monthly credits at Redbox rental kiosks! Awesome, right? What's that? Verizon has something to do with it? Well, no matter. It's not exclusive to the carrier's handsets, so I'm sure it's nothing to worry about! I'm ready to get my hands all up on this thing.

Oh, how naïve I was.

I'm going to start by taking a look at the desktop site and the service as a whole, but don't worry, we'll get to the Android bit in its own section. This is an Android site after all.

Note: This is currently an unreleased preview product, and comes with all the requisite disclaimers. I will leave this blanket 'things could get better by the time it's released' caveat here, because repeating it every time I mention something bad would be too cumbersome.

Signing Up

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Every single step in signing up for this service had technical problems.

I promise, I will have at least some nice things to say about Redbox Instant during this hands-on, but you will probably not know it if you only read this section because the process to get into the beta is god awful. Not just bad, but broken. If you score an invite and use Chrome, may I recommend you change to Firefox, because I had multiple occasions where entering required info returned errors that were not reported, and the page simply stared at me.

Assuming you don't encounter the bugginess of the sign-up process, however, the design of the invite accounts is unbelievably weird. You must provide your access code each time you log in, and on every device. You cannot use an invite code to give your account access and expect the server to simply remember. I have signed up for hundreds of accounts for things over the years and have never encountered this idea. Whatever. Keep that initial email handy.

Of course, the invite code problem will be moot by the time the service goes public, but the rest of the issues are very worrying. There are only a couple of months left until Redbox Instant is slated to go live and billing seems like an essential service. While it's possible that this will be ironed out in that very short amount of time, there are a lot of things that need fixing and this doesn't give me warm, happy feelings about the potential here.

Browsing

Once you're in, the quintessential problem of any web service rears its ugly head: "Alright. Now what do I do?" Most of you have probably heard that Redbox Instant is like Netflix, so you'll be looking for movies to watch instantly, right? Well, that's where things immediately become weird. You see, this site isn't just designed to get you to streaming movies. Movies that are available in retail kiosks, as well as streaming movies you can rent for a fee or buy outright (similar to the Play Store model) are all mixed in. When I first logged in, here is what I saw:

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That big banner at the top featured three slides, each with two hero images. Of the six total promoted slots, five were movies (one was a collection) and only two were available for streaming. Ted, The Dark Knight Rises, and Pitch Perfect were all promoted, but only available online if I paid extra. This has already resulted in some confusion on the part of users who found their credit card charged to watch movies. For what it's worth, it's impossible to rent a movie without multiple steps that inform you that you will be paying extra money. However, since you are required to include a credit card on your account (so they can charge you a subscription fee when your free trial runs out), it's relatively easy to breeze through it, or for someone else to spend money with the account you left logged in. It's not designed poorly, per se, but given that the subscription option is what everyone is eager to try, this bizarre integration is likely to trip up users.

Discovery isn't that great, but it's not much worse than Netflix. Search, however, is fundamentally broken. Typing in a movie title doesn't return auto completes like just about every other search engine in the world, but that's something I'm prepared to overlook. However, each time you search for a title, you have to specify what category you want: subscription, kiosk, or rent/buy. Ignoring for just a moment that you also "rent" from the vending machines in stores, so it's not terribly clear to the end user that "renting" here means a streaming rental, the fact that the default search results include all options is just plain obnoxious.

If I want specifically to find streaming titles, I can't do that. Let's say I want to see if the new Amazing Spider-Man is available to watch instantly. I'll just type that entire title in the search box and...

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Oh god, my eyes.

I will ignore for just a moment that cover art is appearing multiple times for the same movie. I will also ignore that some of those instances of art for the same title are bizarrely colored differently. I will ignore all of that because they are minor qualms when compared to the lack of one very major feature: any indication of which titles are streaming, which are digital rentals, and which are only in kiosks at a glance. You can hover over each thumbnail to get some info, but even that isn't entirely clear as a red "Watch Now" button will appear for rentals, purchases, and streaming alike. You can't confirm which one it is without manually filtering search results (which, again, you have to do for every damn query), or by going to the title's page itself. As an example, the original Spider-Man movie depicted above is available to "watch now," but only if you pay $10 to buy it.

Compare this with Netflix' search results for The Amazing Spider-Man (on a streaming-only account):

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Much better. Thank you, Netflix.

Oh, and as if the confusion about ways to watch a movie wasn't enough, you'll notice that video games also appear in search results. The only way to ensure they are not included is to just not be searching for kiosk titles. You can select to group results by type, so games get their own line, but you can't leave them out entirely. Listen, Redbox is going to remind you of the existence of those ubiquitous and unavoidable vending machines whether you like it or not.

Oh, and heaven help you if you're browsing for movies to stream and you're not searching for them directly. Let's try an experiment, shall we? I'm going to search specifically for The Expendables (which is available to watch instantly). I will refine that search down to just subscription results, then click on that title. Now, on that movie's page, you will see four related entries "like this one." Can you guess, from looking at the thumbnails, which ones are available to stream for free, which are paid rentals/purchases, and which are only available on a disc?

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Give up? Universal Soldier: Regeneration and G.I. Joe: The Rise Of Cobra are available for digital purchase (not even rental) only, while The Losers and Red can only be found at kiosks. None of them are available as part of your subscription. You will see this dynamic no matter how many different ways you specify "streaming only." You can sometimes, occasionally find a way to filter out paid rentals and kiosk results in certain situations, but Redbox Instant as a whole is fundamentally designed to help you stumble upon other ways to pay for watch movies. In fact, as I'll get to in a bit, watching instantly with a subscription seems to be the very last priority here.

Oh, and one more problem I have with Redbox's search and browsing schemes? No years. In the screenshot above, there are seven different Spider-Man thumbnails covering four movies, and none of them show what year they came out. Neither does The Expendables. The hover-over will display rating, run time, categories, major stars, and part of a synopsis, but no years. This is essential movie information, Redbox. It's what allows us to differentiate between remakes, originals, and sequels (which are apparently the only three categories of movies left anymore). This should be clearly visible in as many places as possible.

I really wanted to love this service. I tried. I did my very best. But ultimately, this thing is the Star Wars prequels of UIs. The more I look at it, the more I find wrong with it. Wasted space everywhere, inconsistent cover art. A complete and total inability to open pages in a new tab (why?!), and no sense of distinction between services. I'm sorry, Redbox Instant, but this goes beyond "beta". You just plain don't have the time to fix this before launch. While we can forgive some minor bugs, as David said: "Chevy doesn't say 'But it's just a concept!' when a car catches fire at the Detroit Auto Show."

Movie Selection

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It's kind of impossible to adequately measure how many movie titles a subscription service has, right? Wrong! It's actually quite easy, in fact. You just don't want to take the time to do it! So I will. You're welcome. I did a very abbreviated set of searches to gauge how good the selection was (a more thorough comparison will be coming later). To get a general idea, I checked the site for the top 100 box office grossing movies for 2012, and the same top 100 for 2011. This is very obviously slanted toward newer movies, and those are notorious for not being available on a subscription plan (even Netflix doesn't have too many of these titles), but if you would like a gauge for how many new movies you can expect to see, here are the numbers:

Ten.

There are ten titles, out of 200 movies I checked, that are available to stream instantly on Redbox Instant. Here are their names:

  • Transformers: Dark of the Moon
  • Thor
  • Captain America: The First Avenger
  • Rango
  • Paranormal Activity 3
  • The Adventures of Tintin
  • Justin Bieber: Never Say Never
  • The Lincoln Lawyer
  • Tyler Perry's Madea's Big Happy Family
  • Footloose

To be absolutely clear, this is not a comprehensive look at all possible movies (and, again, I'm currently working on a much more thorough comparison of Redbox Instant, Netflix, and other services). However, if you were hoping that Redbox would fix Netflix's problem with recent movie availability, it doesn't. To its credit, there were a few movies that I did happen to recognize, but there were a lot more that were old, or just crummy. Also, no TV shows. At all. Zero. Not even a section for them. This is one of Netflix's biggest strengths, and it's an advantage the streaming giant maintains.

However, if you're willing to shell out a few dollars for every movie you watch, you'll actually have much better luck. Of the 200 titles I searched for, a whopping fifty-two of them were available to either rent or purchase online. This is both mildly comforting and very worrying. On the one hand, it does mean that Redbox can offer titles that Netflix can't, so long as the user is willing to pay. However, given the chaotic and confusing way these titles are integrated, it almost feels like the company is trying to lure users in with the promise of Netflix plus free DVD rentals, then pull a bait-and-switch by offering all the best movies for an additional fee. While this model doesn't bother me in principle (I sometimes pay for rentals on the Play Store when I can't find them on Netflix), it feels a tiny bit shadier when the subscription option offers so very little.

Playback

I did say I had some nice things to say about Redbox Instant, right? This is one area I have to give the company credit: actually watching movies is pretty nice. While the player isn't quite as theatrical as I'd like, video quality was remarkably high. Take a look for yourself:

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Netflix

Alright. Point goes to Redbox on this one. There is very significant decline in quality when viewing Netflix' stream. Not only is the picture more pixelated, but the latter strangely amplifies the shadows and darker colors, resulting in a very crushed picture. In the example above, Loki looks like a blob of nothing leaked out of oblivion. Whereas on the former's site, you can make out details of his costume.

The difference wasn't always so stark, though. Here's a comparison shot from The Lincoln Lawyer. We'll see if you can guess which is which.

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Done? Okay. The first one is Netflix, the second is Redbox. Though, even after taking the shots, I couldn't be entirely sure myself. So, it's a little comforting to know that Netflix isn't universally behind the curve on picture quality, but it is at least worth pointing out that it's getting some competition here.

Mobile App

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Another thing I have to give Redbox some credit for is the mobile app. Particularly for supporting tablet layouts properly right off the bat. Kind of, anyway. It makes use of Fragments and separate panels well enough, though on the Nexus 10, I found that there was more unused white space than I would have liked. That's no worse than the desktop version, though. Additionally, you can get reminders for discs you need to return, movies you haven't finished watching, bookmarks for movies you want to remember, and even check how many of those credits you have left.

Also, a welcome sight in what has until this point been Disappointment Land, is the presence of streaming sync. When I opened up a movie on the tablet that I had been watching on the desktop, it picked up right where I left off. As it should be.

Well, almost.

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The quality was horrible, and this was on WiFi using the same internet connection the desktop was on. For reference, the above screenshot was taken with the Nexus 7, which is more than capable of pushing high quality video, so the reason for this downgrade is unclear.

Kiosk Rentals

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The final piece of this service's puzzle is, of course, how it handles disc rental credits. After all, this is the one advantage Redbox has over Netflix, is it not? If I don't have something available for streaming, I can just drive down to the store and pick up a physical copy. Well, fortunately, that part was comparatively smooth. In order to access your credits, you're asked to swipe the card associated with your account. Since you, have to have one attached to sign up for the subscription, this should be no problem, and it's much easier than logging in on an upright touchscreen of questionably quality.

The one downside is that you can't use them on Blu-Rays. At all. Sorry, bud! It's SD or no D for you. That's to be expected, though.

Conclusion

Ultimately, what we're looking at here is a pre-release version of a service that is brand-spanking new. It's difficult to get too judgmental right away. After all, things can change before this thing is unveiled to the public. However, given that Verizon's CEO has given the team a little more than two months, it's unlikely that all of the problems here will be fixed in time. In fact, I'd honestly be surprised if much will change. If I were a betting man, I might say that the issues with signing up will be much smoother before launch, but that's about it.

What that leaves us with is a clumsy UI that's in need of a thorough update before it's even released, a paltry selection of movies, an emphasis on the wrong kinds of distribution, and an almost passive aggressive approach to people who want a subscription option. Once you find a movie you like, you might have a decent experience, but there's no guarantee.

Meanwhile, Netflix has signed deals with Disney for first-run movies (starting in 2016), and Time Warner/Warner Bros. Television for several television shows (including Johnny Bravo, Robot Chicken, and Aqua Teen Hunger Force). Both of these companies have been notoriously difficult to work with when it comes to new media and distribution models, so it's huge that Netflix is able to sign with these guys. Oh, and did I mention the company is getting an entire brand new season of Arrested Development all at once in May?

Yeah, Netflix doesn't have anything to worry about. Redbox has the potential to be something bigger than what it is, and given backing from Verizon, I doubt that it will crash and burn immediately. However, when this goes live, it is going to be a disappointment. Not a catastrophe, but very few people are going to choose this over Netflix. The rentals are nice, but at $1.20 per movie per day, you're spending about $3.2 extra bucks each month for the privilege, and that assumes you can find something to watch online to make it worth it. As any Netflix veteran could tell you, a handful of scattered movies do not a satisfied viewer make.

Eric Ravenscraft
Eric is a snarky technophile with a taste for the unusual. When he's not obsessing about Android, you can usually find him obsessing about movies, psychology, or the perfect energy drink. Eric weaves his own special blend of snark, satire, and comedy into all his articles.

  • Amy

    You forgot the part where they block rooted users on the mobile app.... Until that is fixed I won't pay for the service.

    • Edward Rempala

      To get around it if using SuperSU just go into setting and uncheck enable root, and anything you have allowed root will still work, new apps will not until reenabled. But Redbox instant now works.

      • Matthew Fry

        Last time I checked that didn't solve everything. Isis checks for something they don't account for. It's frustrating as all get out.

        • Edward Rempala

          I run it fine on my Rooted Galaxt Note 2 this way. I dont think superuser works this way but I know SuperSU does.

          • Matthew Fry

            I tested both superuser and SuperSU with Isis and it didn't work but that was right when Isis was released. But... since I just got the somewhat infamous "accelerometer getting stuck bug causing screen rotation to stop working" and had to hard reset, maybe I'll try rooting again with Isis.
            M

          • Matthew Fry

            SuperSU does not hide whatever it is Isis is looking for, at least on the T-Mobile S3. I'm glad I checked before making a bigger time investment.

          • Ben

            I can confirm this works on the Note2! (Thanks for the tip!)

        • Jarrod Bush

          If you have a rooted Android phone, why are you using ISIS? Google wallet is soooooooo much better.

    • Morgan Breden

      Most root kits for android support dual mode now. Meaning that you have root ability, but it's only given to apps that request it and only with your explicit permission. You really should be using one anyways, or you leave yourself much more open to malware infection!

  • kervation

    My thoughts exactly on this service. I received my invite yesterday and while this is only a beta, I don't think Netflix has anything to worry about.

  • smeddy

    Arrested Development! Woop!

  • http://gamingblather.com/ Drak

    I stopped being interested at "Verizon".

  • Rudy Belova

    I have it on my one s, i swear watching a betamax tape would display higher quality video than this thing spits out. Horrible. Netflix on it is flawless. Pass...

    • Stevesgirl

      I have to agree...TOTALLY...even now, MONTHS later, the streaming quality (even on my wifi router which is built for a large business quality, for the sake of higher bandwidth in my home) is HORRIBLE!! And on top of all that I can't find a way to cancel online. I've done BETA testing in the past, I know not to expect perfection, but if it's so bad that the audio is a full minute ahead of the video in streaming they shouldn't be charging people for it yet. And EVERY movie I've streamed so far has been that way. Calling to cancel on Monday.

  • http://twitter.com/movein69 Larry Lambert

    The movie Ted is at kiosk but not on instant app to use as credit at kiosk. Only streaming available at additional fee. Seems unfair or fishy to me.

    • http://twitter.com/movein69 Larry Lambert

      Oh and my apps keep me signed in now. I think once you get in officially it remembers. At one point I had to enter the code every time too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=666612901 Ashok Ramaswamy

    I agree with all the issues mentioned here! The service is even worse than alpha!
    The selection, whether it is streaming or DVD is much less than Netflix and Redbox!! What a wasted effort! And btw a common issue is that the credits dont get activated for a lot of users. I didnt have mine. Chatted with CS and was said that its a common problem! Go figure.
    I am mostly closing the account as soon as the trial is over

  • Neitherock

    Doesn't surprise me. They don't put much thought into anything they do. Have you ever tried to reserve a title at a kiosk. That experience is (was 2 months ago for sure) terrible.

    They ask for a CC to reserve the title, fine. Then you realize on the confirmation page that you have to physically have the CC in order to get the title. Shit, ok, let's cancel this. No reservation management page, no way to even SEE what you have reserved, absolutely no way to cancel. Billing is automatic. If you don't pick up the movie, you still get charged, for 3 days. I call customer service to have it stopped. They can't, which isn't even compliant with any CC merchant agreement I've ever heard of.

    So, it's not surprising that their complete lack of ability to think from the user's perspective carries through to other crap products they belch out.

  • Justin Winker

    Yes!! Can't wait to see this bloat on my new verizon device. /s

  • VulturEMaN

    You're trying to use Chrome on their beta product, when it doesn't even work on their main site? Trying to click stuff on their website in Chrome has never, ever worked for me.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/author/eric-ravenscraft/ Eric Ravenscraft

      I've never had a problem navigating Verizon's site on Chrome. At least, not in any way that wasn't due to extremely poor web design. However, it doesn't surprise me at all that Verizon is incapable of accounting for Chrome.

      • VulturEMaN

        I was referring to Redbox, not Verizon. Redbox's normal website has always caused me headaches in Chrome. Verizon's website I've never had any problems with in Chrome, Firefox, or IE (despite it being a monstrosity).

  • Keyz Karanza

    "it's relatively easy to breeze through it, or for someone else to spend money with the account you left logged in". That's Verizon's game. "Relax and enjoy! Don't worry"! Then the bill comes...

  • Matthew Fry

    My experience:

    - Redbox Instant appears to be the largest streaming catalog of B movies.

    - The website streaming is pretty darn good although I wish (like youtube) it would allow you to be full screen without disabling it when you change focus (for dual screen setups).

    - There are trailers for nearly everything available as far as I could tell. That's pretty cool.

    - Streaming to the Nexus 10 was the crappiest piece of crap I've ever seen crapped. It is aligned to the right hand side of the screen (wha?) and it is probably ~320x240 stretched across my beautiful 2560x1600 screen. It truly is something to behold.

    - I went through the entire streaming catalog (the website can be restricted to just streaming but not through search, just while browsing) till about the letter L. I found maybe a handful of movies I'd even heard of and only 1 movie I'd seen. I see quite a few movies but there was only 1.

    - Until reading this article, I didn't realize that digital rentals were available. I figured the rent area was a portal to the kiosk system. I think I was confused, since this is a "streaming subscription," why they would charge me more.

  • Ben

    You say you cant use credits on Blu-Ray, (a little true) however you can go to your settings ( in android app or web interface) and change to Blu-Ray ($9) or even Just streaming ($6)!

  • Timmy

    Probably the best review I've read so far. One of the main reasons Netflix switched their streaming apps to not show DVD's was all the complaints from customers feeling they were being "Up-Sold" to start a DVD plan as well. I also like that Netflix does not give you the option to purchase titles that are not available with your subscription, is it really that hard to go to iTunes or Amazon Instant? This keeps the kids and anyone else from racking up any unexpected charges on the account. On a final note, I've read that the four DVD credits you get each month don't work on all dvd's at the kiosk. Some more popular, newer movies will still charge you $1.20.

    • John

      Actually the newer ones can use the credits, however the newer titles are on redbox.com and not on redboxinstant.com. Therefore you have to browse both sites... example The Possession can be found at redbox.com but cannot be found at redboxinstant.com (unless they have added it by now) But if you choose it at redbox.com you can still use your credits but have to check use credits, then select the option to use one. It is a real hassle and pain and you basically have to browse both sites to find all movies. I know because I experienced this, and talked to chat support to figure it out.

      None the less just used my last 4th free credit so can cancel now. It was the only thing worth this trial. I will still use Netflix to streawm and purchase a few Redbox rentals at the Kiosk each month as I want at a per pay basis.

  • http://twitter.com/DenizOmer Deniz Omer

    Why anyone would use redbox or netflix when you have torrents is beyond me..

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=708741524 Robb Nunya

      Legality?

  • FrillArtist

    Torrents = Free and almost any movies.
    Netflix = Paid and few selections.

    Easy choice.

  • sad

    The price for pay for rental on Redbox Instant are also much higher then at a Kiosk. The prices should at least be universal. IMHO

  • Dark_Laser

    I'd be willing to use this if Verizon gave this away for free to all their subscribers.

  • ChumbleSpuzz

    "you are required to include a credit card on your account"

    Actually, when I registered, there was a "Skip" option at this step. I chose to not enter my credit info given the negative feedback I've heard so far.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      I don't see a Skip option at this point, using v1.2 at least.

  • K M

    I like Redbox, but this service was horrid. Every movie I wanted to watch was either Buy only or had some ridiculous rental price. Not a great selection, lots of older films. Why would I want this service when compared to what is available through Netflix for the same price? I canceled my free trial after looking at the beta version for 10 minutes.

  • Slevin

    I know this is in beta still, but as you said, it seems like
    they have too many problems to fix before it goes live. Also, eight bucks a
    month for streaming, and only four kiosk rentals, none of which can be sued on
    games? I work at DISH and a coworker
    was telling me about this, but I was sure he didn’t have the details right. Unfortunately,
    he did. I will be sticking with what I have; Blockbuster @Home by DISH. It’s only ten dollars a month, and I get
    the streaming, but I also get UNLIMITED movies (DVD or BluRay, no change in
    cost) AND GAMES, and I get them delivered to my house. On top of all that, I
    get twenty different movie channels. I know it’s brand new, but it just can’t
    complete.

  • Patty

    Just started my trial month, and already disappointed. Every movie that was available for streaming is also available on netflix. Every movie that is available for additional costs actually costs $1 more than itunes. Plus it doesn't have $1 movie of the week. So let me give some advice to red box. Don't do something if it isn't going to better than whats out there. So for everyone else, know for a fact other services are still better than this new beta service which is worst than everything else out there and more expensive to boot. Why did redbox even bother? I wish there was a service out there that combines itunes and netflix. The latest movies all availble for streaming for one cost a month. I know no one would do it for $8, but if someone would for $20-$25 I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat. Or limiting just new releases. Example: Some movies are unlimited streaming and all new releases within the first 2 months is limited to 5 a month for a certain price point and 10 new movies for a higher price point.

  • Dennis Wise

    I got a free trial and it wasn't worth the price. Video freezes, random fast forward. Definitely not ready for prime time. Even if the performance was tolerable, the movie selection was pathetic. What a waste of time.

  • Sj

    Only works for me on IPhone streaming with my xfinity WiFi at high speed. Doen not work on my Lenovo Laptop on any browser, laptop is more than capable of handling streaming high quality video, I am very concerned about the billing issue that You pointed out.

  • Chewy1954

    Well lucky you that were able to watch movies, in my case I signed up last Sunday and have not been able to watch one single movie. I get error messages, tried in three different browsers and get the same result. I reported the problem to Redbox Instant several times and all I get is a confirmation that they received it and will bet back to me within 24 hours and then the day after they ask me to provide them with account info. and a bunch of other stuff they already have and no tech support what so ever. I AM GOING TO USE MY 4 CREDITS IN THE KIOSK AND CANCEL THIS USELESS SUBSCRIPTION. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERN REDBOX SUCKS AND VERIZON BY EXTENSION AS WELL.... GOOD LUCK TO THOSE WHO VENTURE INTO THIS NIGHTMARE!!!!!