About two weeks ago, we published some clues from our own server logs indicating that there were two as-yet unidentified Nexus devices cruising the web. One, the Occam, is believed to be a phone. That device remains unidentified (it is not, as some speculated, the Nexus 4, which is called "Mako"). Our guess is still that it's a Motorola RAZR Nexus device, but who knows if or when we'll actually see it.

There was another, though: the Manta. Lacking the "mobile" flag in its UA string, we have to assume this is a tablet. And now, we're seeing something else quite interesting populating our traffic logs:

Linux; Android 4.2; Nexus 10 Build/JOP14
Linux; Android 4.2; Nexus 10 Build/JVP15B
Linux; Android 4.2; Nexus 10 Build/JOP12D

There's nothing specific in these UA strings that makes us think that this is the Manta - except for the fact that it's not often you see a probably-tablet running an unreleased build of Android. Also, Manta entries have since disappeared from our logs. Because of that, it seems pretty likely that we're talking about one device here: Nexus 10 is Manta, Manta is Nexus 10. And Finkle is Einhorn.

We understand that we're always going to get the naysayers when it comes to server logs: "they can easily be faked." And yes, they can. But we (read: Artem) looked very carefully at these logs, the IP addresses they originated from, and nothing we've seen suggests in the slightest that they're fabricated. Adding credence to this name is an image over on the Italian blog Android.HD, with EXIF data showing Nexus 10 as the camera model. That image originated from Korea. Update: Now we're seeing a second Nexus 10 image, apparently taken at Google's Hamburg office, posted by the French blog Galaxus. You can see that photo on Picasa here.



This lines up with a recent rumor from CNET that suggests Samsung is partnering with Google on a 10" Nexus tablet. And let's not forget that we already know a next-generation Samsung tablet is being planned, as it was leaked in a document that was part of the first Samsung v. Apple trial just a few months ago. That device allegedly had an 11.8" display, but given the date of the leak, that may very well have changed, as product plans often do. Or, Google might've done what it did with ASUS's ME370T (Nexus 7): saw an upcoming product, reached out to Samsung, and said "hey, we'd like to make this the next Nexus tablet - with a few changes." We could also see both a Samsung-branded version along with a substantially different Nexus edition (ala Optimus G and Nexus 4).

Basically, there are a lot of very plausible ways this could work. And there are an increasing number of reasons to think that the Nexus 10 does exist, and that we'll see it at some point.

Now, come down the rabbit hole with me for just a second while I start speculating. Warning: reading beyond this point may get your hopes up, only to later have them mercilessly shot down.

While CNET's rumor suggested the "first half of next year," I wouldn't be surprised if we see this device previewed significantly earlier than that, as was the case with the Motorola XOOM. Remember, Andy Rubin first demoed the XOOM in December 2010 at Dive Into Mobile - well before its official February 2011 launch, and way before Honeycomb was even ready (hell, Honeycomb wasn't ready when it launched). We all know Google has an event planned for the 29th, and we all know a big part of what we're going to see: Android 4.2, and the Nexus 4 (if that really is the name, shudder).

Dive Into Mobile 2012 is on October 29th and 30th. Andy Rubin is on the speakers list. It's very much a real possibility (let's manage our expectations here) that he'll show absolutely nothing unreleased or otherwise exciting. He could just be there to pitch Android 4.2 and the Nexus 4 to yet another audience.

But Andy Rubin really isn't really Android's spokesman, not anymore. I mean, he runs Android, but he didn't even speak at this year's Google I/O, when Jelly Bean and the Nexus 7 were unveiled. That was left to Matias Duarte and friends. Andy Rubin is definitely more of a behind-the-scenes kind of guy - well, as behind the scenes as the man heading up the world's most popular mobile OS can be. So, why have Andy Rubin just re-tell the same story Google is already holding a big event for? It seems redundant. I'm sure he'll talk about those things, too, but I wouldn't be surprised if he rather nonchalantly gives us a sneak peak at "what's next."

And, come on, we're on the verge of an iPad Mini announcement, and the launch of the Microsoft Surface. The timing for these rumors, the conference, and competing products just seems a little too convenient.

Of course, it could be nothing at all. But it's fun to get excited at the possibilities, right?

David Ruddock
David's phone is whatever is currently sitting on his desk. He is an avid writer, and enjoys playing devil's advocate in editorials, and reviewing the latest phones and gadgets. He also doesn't usually write such boring sentences.

  • Kenny O

    Holy testicle Tuesday

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      You said it! I think?

    • Scott

      Yeah no kidding. I mean how many different things are going on that day? Or Next week in general?

    • Freak4Dell

      I'm lost...what's this have to do with Tuesday?

  • Ben Napper

    Einhorn is Finkle! I about spit my pizza out at the unexpected Ace Ventura reference.

  • Iucidium

    Occam - Nexus MAXX - PLEASE!!!!

  • moelsen8

    bumblebee tuna. your balls are showing

  • http://www.dsaif.tk/ Saif

    The other one is HTC Nexus?

  • Adam Estep

    I wonder if the rumors of a nexus 4 w/o LTE are true, and so a non-VZW version unlikely, then what if the Occam/razr Nexus is a VZW exclusive nexus?

    • JG

      I'll give that the Razr line, historically, has been Verizon exclusive, so if there is a Nexus version, it'll likely be Verizon exclusive... But... I don't get why you're saying it looks unlikely there will be a non-Verizon 4.... First off, all major carriers (AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint & Verizon) either have or soon will have an LTE network. And traditionally, with the exception of the GNex, all of the Nexus branded devices have been GSM exclusive. Plus all of the issues Google had launching the GNex on Verizon - having to strip it of its Developer title because of Verizon not sharing the proprietary code to get the phone on its CDMA network, refusing to allow Wallet on the device, delays in updates, etc - I highly doubt we'll ever see another Verizon exclusive Nexus launch under the current single Nexus paradigm. Besides, Verizon only had the GNex exclusive for a couple months, then Google released the GSM version... So if they do try another Verizon exclusive launch, you'll likely see a GSM version before too long.

      • Adam Estep

        That was a typo. I meant to say that if the no LTE rumor is true and so a non-VZW IS likely...not unlikely.

      • http://twitter.com/toxmarz ToxMarz

        The RAZR brand and name is Motorola's (and now Googles). The RAZR android line has been a Verizon exclusive, but that is just like iPhone AT&T exclusivity at first. And Verizon has actually done a good job promoting it. There will be RAZRs across carriers (and no doubt Nexus versions) , it is too important as a known and well regarded premium brand to Motorola.

        • Freak4Dell

          Yeah, I'm hoping the RAZR line makes an appearance on other US carriers soon. Motorola already uses that name for their international releases, so I don't think there's anything stopping them from doing it here, too. Verizon still has the DROID branding to make their versions "unique".

          • jaZzyjeff

            You guys, the RAZR name has been used by Motorola with T-Mobile back in the old flip phone days. Granted the name RAZR has been exclusive to Verizon as an Android device. Still, the RAZR brand isn't historically a Verizon exclusive.

          • Freak4Dell

            It's pretty clear we were talking about the RAZR smartphone line, especially considering this isn't 2004 and all.

  • Dragos

    Nexus 4, Nexus 7, Nexus 10? Do you follow the pattern?

    • http://twitter.com/danmcsw danmcsw

      Nexus Q ? Must be algebra or something. Of course they might have pulled the Q to relaunch it again with a number instead of a letter.

    • Simon Belmont

      Don't forget Nexus One. Hey, if you add '3' to each, you get the next one. Nexus One + 3 = Nexus 4 + 3 = Nexus 7 + 3 = Nexus 10. Yeah, I know, I have too much time on my hands.

      OMG. Conspiracies.

  • JonnyBoy6

    We live for speculation, hopes and dreams :-D

  • http://petercast.net Peterson Silva

    Why would Nexus 4 be a bad name? You see, I think it would totally make sense. Nexus 4: a 4.something-inch screen. Nexus 7: 7-inch-screen tablet. Nexus 10: 10-inch-screen tablet. We could see Nexus Q coming back as Nexus 1 (as the one to receive input from all nexii) or Nexus Pi (as it is spherical). We could also hope for a Nexus 5 (phablet) and Nexus 42 (The Google TV that has an answer for life, universe and everything). Hell, it would be a beautiful and elegant naming convention, and when they improved the hardware or changed manufacturers all they would have to do is say "Nexus 4", but specify it as second generation, third generation, and so on, like it has been with the iPod for quite some time. It would be cool, wouldn' it? =D

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

      I agree with you. I don't know why some of the other guys are hating on it. The Nexus # makes sense to me, though that does seem to indicate one Nexus in each size for now.

      • Anon

        Yeah, but what about later? Are they going to then call them #.1, #.2 and so on? This naming convention cannot work too long for this.

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ Artem Russakovskii

          Well, the .1 won't work, since it would reference the screen size. They could leave it the same, just say 2nd gen, like iPad. Or they could go for a completely new theme, like they have done so far.

          For the moment, however, I like the convention.

    • Larizard

      I think "LG Nexus G" is a better name, considering the Nexus S from Samsung. This also opens up for the possibility for an "HTC Nexus J", or a "Motorola Nexus X", even a "Sony Nexus T".

      I think they should stick with the numeral naming convention for Tablets, and use the letter naming convention for phones from now on.

    • Freak4Dell

      I don't think it's a stupid name, but I also don't think a phone with a nearly 5" screen should be called a Nexus 4 based on size. Nexus 4 based on being the 4th Nexus phone, sure.

      It also basically means that there will never be a real Nexus 4 with a proper sized screen, so that has me a little upset.

    • Jay T

      You couldnt call the Q the "pi," though. Itd get confusing if you had raspberry pi's.

      • Peterson Silva

        Oh. So close! :(

    • The Rainbow Unicorn Man

      Actually, the Nexus 4 is also the fourth Nexus phone (Nexus One, Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4), and the Nexus One was named with a number, too, which makes the Nexus S and the Galaxy Nexus the only Nexii named without numbers. And before the Galaxy Nexus was announced, everyone called it the "Nexus Prime", so you never know what could happen.

      • Peterson Silva

        Yeah, I know it is the fourth phone and that's why it was (will, if it is to be) named, but I still like how it all could be reimagined into it meaning something about sizes =)

  • Dragos

    Nexus 4, Nexus 7, Nexus 10...

  • theentropic

    If this becomes a reality, it's time to sell my Transformer Infinity and get one of these bad boys. (Or.. give the Transformer to my wife)

  • Scott

    The Ace Ventura reference is epic. I haven't seen that in forever.

  • ssj4Gogeta

    Also, Manta entries have since disappeared from our logs. Because of that, it seems pretty likely that we're talking about one device here: Nexus 10 is Manta, Manta is Nexus 10.

    I don't understand. How can the entries have "disappeared"? Are you implying Google asked your web hosting provider to remove the entries? Or are you hosting on Appengine?

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      I mean new entries, that was a bit unclear.

      • ssj4Gogeta

        Ah OK. It would be cause for worry if Google started doing those things.

  • Simon Belmont

    Hmm. Don't the various "Android 4.2 - Build/JOP14" indicate that Android 4.2 will also be called Jelly Bean?

    I mean that has been rumored for a while anyway. I'm just thinking out loud.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=667020551 Jose Torres

    ...so Nexus 10 IS A MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!