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Aug
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Ok... Hot report out of Bloomberg, just now, that Motorola will be releasing a phone with no bezel. None. I'm having just as hard of a time believing this as you are.

It's Bloomberg though - they're reliable. They can't be wrong, right? They say the phone "uses the entire front of the device as a display," and "maximizes the screen viewing space by eliminating the black frames or bezels around the display." Several times they use the phrase "edge-to-edge" screen.

The author's twitter page promotes the story with the phrase "sans bezel." He also reported it on video and described the phone as "all screen" and said it will "do away with the little bits of screen that aren't screen." They really are claiming this thing has no bezel. None at all.

A bezel-less phone would truly be a "next generation" phone design: eliminate everything that isn't useful screen real-estate. You could fit more screen into a smaller device. It's certainly not a new idea (see: every futuristic movie ever), or an impossible one, but actually building it would instantly put you at the top of the Android heap, and your company would be seen as leading the way into the future of phone design.

Bloomberg pegged the phone to, of course, run Android, and that it would be part of Verizon's lineup. They mention Motorola's September 5th conference, but don't actually say it will debut there. I still don't quite believe it.

Oh. There is this one little thing that Bloomberg didn't mention: Motorola also has an event with Intel scheduled for September 18th. The invite for that looks like this:

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To the edge? I'm starting to think this might actually happen. An all-screen device - one step closer to that sci-fi future we see in the movies. I could not be more excited.

So. London. September 18th. A phone with no bezel. I'll be sure to wear a hat to stop the bits of brain from blowing out the back of my head.

Source: Bloomberg

Ron Amadeo
Ron loves everything related to technology, design, and Google. He always wants to talk about "the big picture" and what's next for Android, and he's not afraid to get knee-deep in an APK for some details. Expect a good eye for detail, lots of research, and some lamenting about how something isn't designed well enough.
  • TheGM0

    What about the front facing camera and speaker?

    • http://blog.ravrahn.net/ Owen Cassidy

      Speaker can go on the back. Front-facing camera can pop out of the top or something.

      • TheGM0

        The speaker which you hold up to your ear? Never seen that on the back. I think it might still have a top bezel. It'll just be an edge-to-edge screen and maybe the bottom also, due to on screen buttons.

        • lbrfabio

          Motorola has recently patent a way to use the screen display as speaker

          • Stian French

            you could always turn the phone around when you make a phone call.

          • Ron Amadeo
          • Guest

            WTF?

          • Alan

            Yeah, that's the first Nokia N-Gage and that was how you held it to make a phone call!!!

          • ChumbleSpuzz

            LOL! I totally forgot about sidetalkin'

    • Ron Amadeo

      I present to you A PHONE WITH NO SPEAKER! It uses bone conduction.

      http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/15/3021319/kyocera-urbano-progresso-bone-conduction-au-hands-on

      Now, yes, we just need somewhere to hide a front camera. To be honest though, I would be ok with not having one.

      • ltredbeard

        Awesome. I'm with you, I could do without a front facing camera, but maybe it will have two screens like the old flip phones.

      • http://twitter.com/GwangjuSam Sam

        The speaker will be at the back.

  • http://blog.ravrahn.net/ Owen Cassidy

    This is literally my dream phone.

  • TheFirstUniverseKing

    Holy crap, just as I was planning to leave Verizon, this gets (sorta) revealed? This would be very cool if true, I just hope it isn't restricted to that carrier.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michaelgonzalez2012 Michael Gonzalez

    The only thing that concerns me is the battery consumption. If you are going to make more screen real-estate than you also need to expand on your battery life to compensate.

    • ERIFNOMI

      The screen is going to use the same amount of power whether it has a bezel or not. If the screen turns out to be huge then it'll use more power than a smaller one, but that also means more space for a battery. It's not like the bezel houses the battery so it wouldn't make much difference.

      • Rman0726

        It would affect battery life. How much would it? Who knows. Either you keep the same screen size, and thus your phone enclosure is smaller, and thus has less room for the internals (including the battery obviously), or your screen size is bigger, while keeping the same size enclosure as other phones. In that case, the bigger screen will be drawing more power, and assuming the enclosure size is the same, the battery won't be any bigger.

        • http://twitter.com/arghness Alex

          They could just make it a little bit thicker to get the same amount of space for the battery. In fact, it would probably be a more usable phone if it's thicker. With thin phones, you generally need to grip around the edge and touch the front bezel to hold them firmly. With a thicker phone, you'd have more grip on the sides to reduce the need to touch the front. I'd also want a non-slip material on the sides.

    • Kenny O

      Just because there is no bezel does not necessarily mean the screen is going to be any bigger than current phones, that's what is so compelling about it (besides how awesome it could look) they can keep the screen size say 4.65 inches, but make the actual phone slightly smaller. Could you imagine if its a Nexus too.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Shinakuma George Millhouse

      what makes you think its any bigger than phone screens now? Faulty logic

  • http://www.facebook.com/aaron.quevedo2 Aaron Quevedo

    SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!

    • Zaeem Shahzad

      Everyone shut up and take my monkey! :P

      • Kan9al

        Shut up and pay my bills!

        • http://twitter.com/btrischetta Brian Trischetta

          Please, everyone, just shut up.

          • kokikoko

            shut my money and take up

  • siphyn

    Considering how Verizon loves to advertise their name on the front of every Motorola device. I'll be really surprised if such a phone comes to that carrier.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001992840095 Tj Allen

      So... it'll be on the back, big deal.

      • Kan9al

        Actually it is a big deal.
        For some reason, Verizon wants their logo "on yo face" even if its prettier to put it at the back, they rather you get blinded by it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Keanu-Oldham/1603680329 Keanu Oldham

          What about the galaxy nexus they sell?

          • Drewsipher

            They really kind of hate the Nexus. It could have been huge for them but they put no budget behind pushing it forward in the space, and are already pushing it aside. They don't want the nexus. And this is coming from a guy with a VZW Gnex

        • Michael

          Verizon has a choice: sell the coolest phone exclusively (at least for a while) and give up the verizon ad space on the front of the phone, or not

    • Ron Amadeo

      Galaxy Nexus. No front label.

    • http://www.impulsivestudios.com/ Justin Myers

      Look at the shitty i*hone... lol

    • LazarusDark

      The thing is, edge to edge may not necessarily mean top to bottom. The mic and speaker have to go somewhere, and I don't think putting the speaker on the top of the phone is a good idea. So don't worry, there will still be space next to the speaker or mic to put the precious VZW logo. :/

      • TareX

        Exactly. My hopes evaporated when I read the original article. Edge-to-edge means side to side, and not 'frameless'.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rcpresti Robert Presti

    Believe it when I see it but awesome idea!

  • http://twitter.com/SeanMRowe Sean Rowe

    So I am confused is there a bezel or not? It was a little unclear. I have read the 3 paragraphs a few times now, still a bit blurry. #sarcasm_on

    • fixxmyhead

      Oh god another guy with f$%+king with the hashtag thing

  • http://twitter.com/mimrixmike Frettfreak

    Why does moto have such a hard on for vzw? They suck ass for everything android related and moto rarely releases the same quality device on other networks. Hope this one is different though.

    • Deltaechoe

      I don't mind considering every other carrier has little to no service in my area while verizon is a perfect 4 bars. Damn mountains

  • Nex Unit Xyber

    Somebody tell Apple before they Pre-Sue Googlorola for bringing the idea up. They probably ALREADY own that patent along with others like hologrphic displays, so they pretty much have ALL the future patent; because as we know its JUST THEM and they are the ONLY ones that innovate!!!

    • New_Guy

      Interesting how Google is talking up licensing deals with Apple the past couple of days. I think we know what they we're talking about now =)...

  • adi19956

    I keep waiting for the "Next big thing"

  • http://www.facebook.com/amrin.long Amrin Long

    PATENT THIS DESIGN!

    • Mārtiņš Belte

      Don't or, rather, patent it, but let everyone use it without additional fees, since we don't want to stop technologies from evolving.
      But this will destroy apple smartphone market - sucks to be them.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QKC5C6JWYCWORIDKK73T5ZYBQM Jeff

        Or only make apple pay :)

      • Shark

        Can't see this doing much to damage Apple marketshare or revenue. They will continue to be strong.

      • C.E. Downes

        Silly rabbit...copying does not equal evolving/innovation. Innovation is what happens when you're NOT allowed to copy the other guys.

        That said, I am excited about this prospect.

        • Matthew Fry

          Innovation in the realm of "not a rectangle" is an exercise in ridiculousness.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001992840095 Tj Allen

    Why does everyone want a phone without a bezel so badly? If you hold it in one hand, the damn thing is going to be registering touches by the sides of your palm *smh* use some common sense people.

    • http://twitter.com/GwangjuSam Sam

      The OS can easily mitigate that. e.g. a one inch non touch margin.

      • Freak4Dell

        Then what's the point? Why have a touch screen that you can't touch?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/QKC5C6JWYCWORIDKK73T5ZYBQM Jeff

          Haha true. Then isn't that basically a bezel again? It's just a transparent bezel that looks like part of the screen.

        • GraveUypo

          bigger screen is still bigger even if the edges aren't touchscreen

    • http://www.facebook.com/Shinakuma George Millhouse

      already been done TJ

  • Mike

    Going to laugh when they announce a new flagship. The Motorola Edge with 4 inches of bezel.

    • mduran1023

      I lol'd.

  • Connie Northrop

    What about a case? Many, if not most, curl over the bezel. How would they stay on without covering part of the screen?????

    • ltredbeard

      I don't think they design phones around cases.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Shinakuma George Millhouse

        if they want to sell it at verizon they certainly do lol

  • Guest

    ..so where will the earpiece and front camera go?

    • Stian French

      what do you need those for?

    • ltredbeard

      I was just scanning the posts and interestingly enough 4 posts above yours they talk about this. No solution for the camera but Ron provided a link to a working speaker less phone.

  • http://twitter.com/LiiIiikEaBau5 LiiIiikEaBau5

    Apple is getting ready to sue Motorola. My Cock is reading these rumors and preparing new law suit against Android.

  • Craig Pardue

    Make it a nexus and take my $!

    • jacob

      i this'd so hard

    • TareX

      Shit. If this becomes a Nexus, I'll be forced to do something I didn't want to do: Retire my GNex 1 year earlier than planned.

    • http://twitter.com/Tehpwned1 Lololol blah

      Oh boy, finally, something to replace my Galaxy S (it's still a damn good phone though.)

    • http://www.facebook.com/ShinobiPhoenix Cody Shiranai

      I wonder if this would be a Droid instead since Motorola tends to be Verizon's common-law wife. Or even... "Droid Nexus"!!

      • TareX

        To follow the naming scheme, it would be a 'Nexus Driod', or just 'Nexus D' since Droid is more like a Verizon phone name.

  • IncCo

    No freaking way.. !

  • http://www.facebook.com/d.v.s.rajesh Rajesh ‘Rajee’ Dwarapureddi

    No Bezel = No Front Cam = Not so futuristic :P

    • Matthew

      Also where would the Microphone be? LED notification lights? Proximity sensor?

      • http://twitter.com/nagi603 Nagy Balázs András

        The mic can be at the bottom, where it already is on some phones. Some of wich also forego LED notification lights (baaaad Samsung, baaaad!), but those can be put at the top. If they are bright enough, you whould see it from the front as well. As for the proximity sensor.... well, who knows, maybe they did come up with a technology to integrate an IR camera with the screen (AFAIK, that is what a proximity sensor is).

        • Marc Edwards

          it wouldn't be impossible to use a capacitive screen as a proximity sensor, you can theoretically detect a conductor without contact. there are already sensors that do this.

      • SeanM

        If they made it an OLED screen, they could light up just a few pixels on screen. I guess I'm dreaming way to much though.

    • Trenton Fox

      How often do you actually use the front facing camera?

      • OneOfAKind

        I use Skype to talk to people on the other side of the world every single morning.

        • Kan9al

          How the fvck do you think No Bezel = No FFCam?

          He's delusional.
          Obviously there is bezel, its just very very small. And there's enough of a bezel up top to put the earpiece and ffc.

          • http://twitter.com/Tehpwned1 Lololol blah

            That'd have to be a very small camera...

          • Kan9al

            Okay let's say the screen is 5.2in
            Now the screen sides would be 61.2mm's. You could have 1.5mm's (bezel) per side on the portrait sides, so the phone physically would be 64.5mm wide.

            Now the top-bottom screen size would be 117mms. You could have 10mm's (bezel) per side which would have the earpiece on top, the front cam, light and proximity sensor, notifications light. We'll say it uses virtual buttons, so that the 1376x720 resolution meaning the bottom side would be blank. So the physical length would be 137mm.

            Now you have a phone which is about the same size as the Galaxy Nexus but with a larger screen since it utilizes the empty (bezel) space.

    • Hett

      No bezel doesn't necessary mean no additional bars on the top or bottom, just the sides.

      • LazarusDark

        I agree, edge to edge doesn't necessarily mean top to bottom. The speaker and mic still have to go somewhere, and i don't think putting them on the top/bottom of the device is a good idea.

    • New_Guy

      The front facing camera could simply be built behind the screen itself. It wouldn't be the first time something like that was done, although it would be the first time in a mass produced consumer product. could be another Motorola patent in the works

    • Michael

      The camera, the speaker and the sensors can be placed inside the display, by killing some pixels, no big deal.

      • SeanM

        "killing somg pixels" "no big deal"
        m-monster.. :( Those poor poor pixels :'(

    • TareX

      No Front cam is a insta-nobuy for me. But com'on, I'm pretty sure they'll have a front cam somewhere in there.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Shinakuma George Millhouse

      not true at all they have nothing to do with each other...with that logic it wont have a speaker either

  • blast0id

    Apple will sue them for creating the next tech-hipster craze, as they obviously pioneered the creation of tech-hipster craze markets...

  • btod

    Am I the only one who's fingers and palm occasionally wrap around the sides of the phone when using it? How would a bezel free phone prevent so many accidental touches?

    • Freak4Dell

      No, you're not the only one. I don't see this actually being user friendly. They could do software additions to reject touches from your palms (like how some of the note taking apps do), but with the frequency that extra fingers and palms touch the screen, you might as well leave that bezel on there.

      Maybe if it only expands to the whole thing while playing video or something...

      Bezel-less is a cool concept, but it's not practical.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507973810 Martin Cataldi-Rogers

        it could use software to measure certain locations of the screen , and to calibrate the way you use your fingers and palms, additionally it could have non active touch screen all the way around the edge and make an" invisible bezel "

      • Jake

        I think it's being made purely for the concept. And also to try to get motorola back onto the smartphone market, as they've been doing terribly recently.

    • New_Guy

      Tablets already have palm recognition. It can be done with strings of code my friend...

    • SeanM

      Laptop touchpads have been doing it for years.

      • Matthew Fry

        poorly, imo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stewart.g.higgins Stewart Higgins

    I want this! I always rest the bottom edge of my phone on my pinky, so I'd have no issue with 'wraparound'. I've never used the front camera since the novelty of face unlock wore off. We'll have to wait and see though.

  • Fifth313ment

    I can't imagine Samsung or Sony not doing this? They are both huge panel manufacturers and Motorola is the one with the tech? WTF?

  • Dustin Hoffman

    No bezel means no lip at all to protect the screen. No thanks. I'm clumsy as it is. Any case that could protect the screen would also then cover a portion of it.

  • Matthew

    Maybe Motorola should announce "yes we have a phone that's all screen".."AND BOY DID WE PATENT IT."

    • Michael

      Can't be patented since a simple Google search of such concept will return plenty of results of previous discussions of such design approach. Same as with a phone that bends or is transparent or has displays on both sides. Never been done before, but it's not a new idea either.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QKC5C6JWYCWORIDKK73T5ZYBQM Jeff

        But if you want to use (that) logic, shouldn't most of Apple's patents be invalid too?

        • IncCo

          They should indeed...

  • http://twitter.com/AlexDeGruven Nathan

    You need at least a minimum of a top bezel for the earpiece, FFC, and proximity sensor. Truly edge-to-edge on all four edges just isn't practical/doable.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Shinakuma George Millhouse

      small thinking equals small mind

  • Knlegend1

    Lets see it!!!

  • enyibinakata

    Moto, my account no is 77890 and you can clear it for all I care !

  • http://twitter.com/GwangjuSam Sam

    Oh yeah cmon baby that phone will be an instant hit!

  • http://twitter.com/PCSievers P.C. Sievers

    Google played up how they were plugging a bunch of X Lab people into Motorola to create some truly amazing concepts even if they arent perfect after the buyout was finalised.

    While you couldnt exactly predict it an edge to edge phone with a small band at the top for the speaker and a front facing camera is a reasonable next step given prototypes we have seen from various manufacturers and if anyone would fund such an outrageous probably flawed design to go into production it would be google.

  • DavidB23

    >
    It's certainly not a new idea (see: every futuristic movie ever)
    Actually in Star Trek they have several size "Pads" they carry around and they all have very wide bezels.

  • tekjunkie

    Alright, now give me a monitor with no bezel.......

  • fixxmyhead

    I bet Samsung beats them to the punch

  • Ron Amadeo

    You guys... I totally made a mockup of what I think this will look like.

    • http://twitter.com/spectremANDROID Rico R

      Ok, that's funny. :-D

    • Juan Prieto

      its better than an IPHONE!!

    • http://twitter.com/NFLfreik Phillip Joseph

      lol well played, had me going there for a sec til i clicked :P

    • Alzoids

      Sorry, can someone explain this to me? It just looks like stock jellybean.

      • Drewsipher

        He took a screenshot of stock jellybean... there is no black bezel around the display because he didn't render it into the phone housing... therefore the idea being this is what you will see if you are holding the phone... the joke being he didn't do anything.

        • Alzoids

          Thanks! Got it.

    • MicroNix

      You forgot the zoom shot to show the awesome pentile display...

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507973810 Martin Cataldi-Rogers

    apple will sue for not making that idea happen

  • nickname

    Next Nexus, next Nexus, next Nexus. PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE.

  • Cenarl

    This is really great but as a guy who likes phone cases because he has a toddler I wonder how I could protect it without being intrusive to the screen.

  • Joe Menard

    Omg patent that NOWW!!

  • http://twitter.com/spectremANDROID Rico R

    If this turns out to be true, then depending on screen size, screen type and overall deign/build, we might be looking at my first Motorola device. I'm interested.

  • http://twitter.com/ToysSamurai Toys Samurai

    I wish this is Motorola's Nexus for this year ...

  • http://twitter.com/spectremANDROID Rico R

    Hmmmm.... I just read through the comments and I find it funny that so many people think this idea is not possible or practical to implement. This is technology that we're talking about. Lots of technologies come to exist simply because inquisitive minds want to know if they CAN exist. Just about anything that can be imagined can be made...

    ...eventually...

    • wickets

      Well said!!!!!!!!

  • PINJ

    There Will Be A Bezel... It Will Be Non Used Screen Estate Though So Technically It Wont Count

  • Tony

    That's perfect it's what I've been waiting for my ENTIRE life...wait....INTEL!?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOO! I hate you so much moto!!

  • Whargharbl

    Also note how the typography on the invite goes from edge to edge. That's basically a design blunder if not done intentional, so let's take that as another hint.

  • Michael

    Edge-less, button-less & cord-less would be nice. Why do I need a chord to charge or transfer data from my phone? It can all be done wireless. And why can't all buttons be drawn on the screen, when needed, instead of having hard ones?

  • Bas

    Holy droid - I can't wait to see it!

  • Raj

    They'll still get sued by Apple for using rounded corners in their design.

  • http://visionaforethought.wordpress.com/ Oflife

    Perhaps you slide the display down to not only wake the phone up but expose the front camera and other essential user facing sensors, (proximity etc.) Now that would be cool!

  • CeluGeek

    So now you'll listen to callers through a speaker icon on the screen? A bezel-less tablet might fly (although I still think it's stupid an impractical) but a bezel-less phone is beyond moronic.

    • http://twitter.com/SoWhy Prof. Professorson

      Probably the speaker is at the top then, just like the mic is at the bottom nowadays.

  • Asphyx

    Kudos to whoever said (two weeks ago) that Google was going to use Moto to push phone designs that push the envelope. I would qualify this as envelope pushing!

  • UniBroW

    I honestly wouldn't like this at all but maybe that's just me

  • http://www.facebook.com/thediabolic Kaan Aurora

    Apple is going to sue Motorola because they have stolen their possible ideas for the future!

  • http://www.facebook.com/vivecuervo7 Isaac Dedini

    So while HTC is busy making tablets with extra bezel, Motorola is removing them.

  • http://twitter.com/Dr_MBambi Moaz Bambi

    Make it Nexus and then take my money and maybe i'll even give you more just as a thank-you gift for making awesomeness comes true xD

  • Lateef

    No bezel, droid razr maxx battery, lte, dual core or quad core? im sold

  • insider

    Ain't gonna happen

  • nikolay

    WOHOOO EDGE TO EDGE SCREEN PHONE THIS IS THE BEST IDEA...wops...dropped it...oh well where's my nokia again?

  • fonseca898

    I've been waiting for this for years. YEARS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/freshboymani Monto Cristo

    apple would sue them saying they own the new display market with the iphone 5 incorporating the screen and digitizer into one unit.Apple will find any reason to sue so apple can have a monopoly.. imagine if GM did this

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1505596964 Donald Zuchowski

    apple would sue them saying they own the new display market with the iphone 5 incorporating the screen and digitizer into one unit.Apple will find any reason to sue so apple can have a monopoly.. imagine if GM did this

  • FesteringKadaver

    Patent this design to everyone except apple!

  • Josh

    If Google is smart, they should patent this thing immediately as this is a world's first (as far as I am aware).

  • superscalar

    Bezel-less displays are stackable, so consumers could join cheap, small TVs to make a large TV very cheaply and the large-screen TV manufacturers' profits would be gone.

    That's why the TV manufacturers cartel won't make bezel-less displays.

    • Freak4Dell

      I see your point, but 99% of consumers won't bother doing that. There's still a gap, so one panel is still better, and you still have to setup the screens properly to display the correct amount of the image on each screen. Most TVs don't come with support for this.

      Yeah, it would be useful for making those really giant displays, but nobody sets those up in their house, and that technology is already available to those that actually need it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Whitfield/711517974 Bill Whitfield

    maybe apple will be forced into doing something drastic...!!!
    making a phone that makes phone calls without staring at a screen while blindly crossing a busy street against the dont walk signal

  • DJViking

    Did you forget the follow up?

  • Flexible_Kathy

    *NO* bezels? Looks like "tiny bezels" to me.

    By the end of the year? This is already November. Or do you mean "end of 2013?"

    • Freak4Dell

      And the award for the most oblivious person on the internet goes to...

  • Ian

    Everyone, SHUT UP