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May
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Update: In response to the rather vocal outcries of many of its subscribers on the web, Verizon has clarified what will happen to 3G/4G data plans explicitly. The takeaway is this: anyone purchasing a smartphone from this summer forward on subsidy pricing will be pushed into tiered/shared data. If you choose not to buy a smartphone on subsidy, you can keep your unlimited plan if you choose to.

This means if you renew your 2-year agreement, from this summer forward, on any line by buying a "discounted" phone, you lose unlimited.

Here are the exact statements:

  • Customers will not be automatically moved to new shared data plans. If a 3G or 4G smartphone customer is on an unlimited plan now and they do not want to change their plan, they will not have to do so.
  • When we introduce our new shared data plans, Unlimited Data will no longer be available to customers when purchasing handsets at discounted pricing.
  • Customers who purchase phones at full retail price and are on an unlimited smartphone data plan will be able to keep that plan.
  • The same pricing and policies will be applied to all 3G and 4GLTE smartphones.

We all knew it was coming: the death of unlimited. At Verizon, specifically. And this time, there's no escaping it.

From this summer onward, when Verizon launches its shared bucket data plans for families, if you buy a 4G phone, you will be transferred to a tiered data plan - end of story. While current 4G phone owners with unlimited plans will be allowed to live out the duration of their remaining contracts with unlimited data, the next time you (or anyone on your plan, for that matter) upgrade your handset to anything with 4G LTE service, your unlimited goes bye-bye for good.

Verizon will force individual subscribers onto its basic tiered data plans, and multi-line subscribers will be moved onto shared data "buckets" (pricing unknown).

While 3rd-party retailers and Verizon's customer retention may be able to swing you a "special deal" if you rant enough, for most people this does mean the end of unlimited. It was good while it lasted.

FierceWireless via TheVerge

David Ruddock
David's phone is an HTC One. He is an avid writer, and enjoys playing devil's advocate in editorials, imparting a legal perspective on tech news, and reviewing the latest phones and gadgets. He also doesn't usually write such boring sentences.

  • Zacisblack

    Pieces of crap. I was going to go to Sprint anyway.

    • fixxmyhead

      good luck with those dial up speeds. and no there not gonna have unlimited LTE

      • modplan

        They've already announced LTE will be unlimited. Sprint, that is.

        • fixxmyhead

          lies. i havent seen any news of this. care to provide links? even if they do they cant do it forever they hardly have any spectrum to utilize for LTE.

      • Zacisblack

        I hardly get 500kbps on my Fascinate anyway. Yes, they ARE going to have unlimited LTE. Also, it's "they're" not "there".

        • fixxmyhead

          sorry didnt realize i was in school

          • Qorse

            *didn't, can't, you're, you, etc.

          • John O’Connor

            You missed the capitalizations at the beginnings of the sentences as well as excessive lack of proper punctuation; or the fact that the letter "i" was never capitalized in usage of the first person narrative.

            I would have pushed it even further by asking for specifics related to the "500kb" portion of the comment.  It leaves me wondering if he meant 500 kilobits or kilobytes in addition to the unstated obvious question of whether or not this is per second and/or consistent data speeds. If it is 500 kilobytes per second that is equivalent to 4Mbps which is certainly not a bad speed at all if it is a statistical average throughput.
            In closing, we in United States typically place the dollar sign ($) in front of the leading number vice after.  
            I love my grammar/spelling/syntax nazis!!

          • cashd00d

            Sorry, I didn't realize I had to be literate for people to take me seriously.

          • cashd00d

            Sorry, I didn't realize I had to be literate for people to take me seriously.

          • cashd00d

            Sorry, I didn't realize I had to be literate for people to take me seriously.

      • guest

        I'll take Sprints slower speeds and lack of 4G in my area to not have to deal with the other major companies.

        If they wouldn't have gotten the iPhone they'd still be sitting pretty

        • fixxmyhead

          are u delusional? listen to urself why would u not want the best service for the money ur paying? 

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Xorg-Kc/100000867435778 Xorg Kc

            I'm on Sprint and use 6-8GB/month and get decent performance (though I'm in a 4G market).  Would never consider ATT or VZW., that would be delusional. 

          • cashd00d

            Yeah, why would I want to save money on my services?

            WHY DID YOU BUY A CHEVY WHEN YOU COULD HAVE BOUGHT A PORSCHE!?!

      • NiteSnow

        It has been confirmed by Sprint and sources from inside Sprint that 4G LTE will be unlimited. Please stop being the biggest hood-rat in America and learn how to spell.

      • cashd00d

        hey guyz, u no sprint there not gonna have unlimited LTE becuz i aint get no unlimited on my verizone an im jelly,

        You sound like an idiot and apparently don't keep up with Android/Tech blogs. Sprint & Dan Hesse have both confirmed that they are going to keep unlimited data on LTE as long as humanly possible. Stop hating.

      • cashd00d

        hey guyz, u no sprint there not gonna have unlimited LTE becuz i aint get no unlimited on my verizone an im jelly,

        You sound like an idiot and apparently don't keep up with Android/Tech blogs. Sprint & Dan Hesse have both confirmed that they are going to keep unlimited data on LTE as long as humanly possible. Stop hating.

      • cashd00d

        hey guyz, u no sprint there not gonna have unlimited LTE becuz i aint get no unlimited on my verizone an im jelly,

        You sound like an idiot and apparently don't keep up with Android/Tech blogs. Sprint & Dan Hesse have both confirmed that they are going to keep unlimited data on LTE as long as humanly possible. Stop hating.

  • NuclearPotatoes

    FUCK!!!!!

  • http://www.twitter.com/thewizkid95 Jesus Otero

    Verizon might save money with this system, but it's going to lose subscribers

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WQS6A4HT6MCAMO4OTIX3Y5ZBSA oscar

    What if you buy your phones full price and don't "upgrade"?

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Then Verizon will presumably move you onto tiered data once your existing 2-year contract expires. If you're not on a contract, they can switch you whenever they want, and probably will this summer.

      • Levi Wilcox

        They can not simply switch your plan whenever they feel like it if you're out of contract.

        • modplan

          They can do whatever they want when you are out of contract....that's the point of the contract...

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

          Yes, they can. I'm not sure why you think otherwise. One of the major points of a contract is to lock in pricing.

          • Conan

            I agree, but I guess the question is why would they? Since you're not in a contract, barring any other reason to stay with your current carrier, if they do something you see as adverse, then you'll have no problems with up and leaving. This is, of course, assuming that they care whether you stay or not.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=637436089 Jessica Nickla

            ... ok then why have i been able to stay under the same pricing/plan on t-mobile long after my contract has expired and they've never raised rates (except taxes and surcharges of course) even when the plan i had no longer existed and an equal plan now would cost me about 20% more?? ... and @DrConan:disqus below.... excellent point, it is much cheaper for companies to keep existing customers than to sign new ones, so they'll try pretty damn hard to make you happy because it is so simple for you to leave and they won't be able to get their obnoxious cancellation fee

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=637436089 Jessica Nickla

            ... ok then why have i been able to stay under the same pricing/plan on t-mobile long after my contract has expired and they've never raised rates (except taxes and surcharges of course) even when the plan i had no longer existed and an equal plan now would cost me about 20% more?? ... and @DrConan:disqus below.... excellent point, it is much cheaper for companies to keep existing customers than to sign new ones, so they'll try pretty damn hard to make you happy because it is so simple for you to leave and they won't be able to get their obnoxious cancellation fee

          • Nexus131

            The contract dictates that you agree to pay them for two years at the agreed upon rate. When the two years is up, both parties aren't freed from the contract as you seem to think, rather it goes month to month at the subscribers discretion - once 24 months pass the customer is no longer obliged to pay for this service, but they retain the right to pay for what was originally agreed upon. If we follow your logic that Verizon has the right to change your data plan once two years is up, then Verizon could change any feature on your phone, heck they could even cancel your service without your permission if we use your logic.

            You know how landline companies offer special pricing for the first two years for their triple play bundles? There is a reason why landline companies specify in the fine print that after the two year contract is up, they will charge you a higher rate for that service. The reason why they include this fine print is because they can't change the price you pay, even after the term has ended, unless they specify within the contract that they reserve this right.

            They can only change you if you attempt to upgrade your line, meaning extending/signing a contract for a price discount. They MAY try to tell you otherwise, but they can't legally do it, just like they can't drop you for any or no reason once the two year contract is up - its not an agreement for service, but an agreement to pay them for that long at that price.

  • Antinorm

    What if I buy a phone from someone other than Verizon and just put my SIM card into it?

    What if I open a second line with Verizon, buy a phone at full retail, swap SIMs, and immediately drop the second line?

  • Chey023

    I wonder if buying a used phone off a website will allow us to get around this? Or is is any 4g phone no matter where it comes from>

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      If you your phone outright (off-contract) or from a third party, you won't be forced onto tiered data until your existing contract expires, whenever that may be.

  • Allen_chappy

    So this means, I won't be buying a new phone from Verizon for the next year. Craigslist here I come!

    • http://twitter.com/KickingLettuce Kicking Lettuce

      This is what I was thinking. (or eBay in my case).  You keep changing phones off contract and you keep unlimited, yes?

      edit: Though 4GB is enough for me, so I may cave if its a double your data plan going on.

      • modplan

        No, when you activate the new phone off contract, they will tell you you must change your plan. They ALWAYS do this when old plans go away and new plans come.

        • http://twitter.com/KickingLettuce Kicking Lettuce

          I bought a GNexus last week off eBay and activated it in a Verizon store (it stupidly requires a different 4G Sim than my old Thunderbolt).  I still have unlimited data.  How is this different?  Or was that because I was only 13 months into a 24 month contract?

          • modplan

            Uhh, because until this summer they let you keep the unlimited data. Now (soon) they will no longer do this and force you onto a new plan. That's why this is news...

        • http://twitter.com/ToysSamurai Toys Samurai

          What does "activation" mean here? As far as I can tell, with a 4G Verizon phone, you can just swap SIM. I just did that a while ago to exchange my wife's Galaxy Nexus with mine by doing that. The SIM "activation" seems to be completely automated.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

            Both of your phones were already authed on the Verizon network and attached to your account. If you buy a phone that is not on an active account, you have to go to a Verizon store and have it activated.

          • Marshall Taylor

            All you have to switch the sim card and turn on the phone i just did no need to go into the store. If you going from 3g - 4g phone you will have to get a 4g sim

        • sgtguthrie

          Ya, until they decide to un-grandfather double the data...lol! Bastards at vzw! I knew this day would come soon, in the last couple years they've really decided to play screw your customers!

    • modplan

      When you activate the new phone, if you contract is expired, they will ask you to sign a new contract or change your plan. Either way, unless you keep your current phone forever, unlimited data is gone for us all.

    • http://www.theandroidsite.com benmarvin

      Fuck Ebay and CL. Swappa is where it's at.

  • Aaron Echols

    Well, just buy a phone outright, then you don't need to worry about that trash.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      When your contract expires you will still be forced onto tiered data.

      • Aaron Echols

        Really? I didn't think they could force you like that. Thank God I'm on T-Mobile. :)

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

          Well, it's kind of the definition of "ending" a contract - the rates your *contracted* for are no longer Verizon's obligation to honor.

          • Aaron Echols

            I'm glad T-mobile isn't like that. I've never, ever considered Verizon in my life and this is just one more reason why. I hope that all the carriers become dumb pipes and we choose. ;)

          • BGRUGGER

            customer retention programs would likely fall into place with ending contracts.

  • Stephen Kopenkoskey

    This is B.S! I pay 180 a month for two phones with data and get a whopping 700 minutes! The least they could do is throw me the data as a gesture for r@paing my pockets!

    • shabbypenguin

      i pay 140 a month with two lines, i have 1500 mins to land lines and unl to cell, unl text and unl data. and i have insurance on both of my phones (Epic 4G Touch and Motorola Photon 4G).

      not trying to rub it peoples face, just trying to show there are better options out there. (dont get me wrong, not everything is fine and rosey with sprint either... but at least im not getting bent over in money cuz of it... :/ )

      • bjn714

        Unfortunately Sprint is in a bad spot until they really put the pedal down on LTE. All new phones only work with wimax or LTE not both so that means unless you are one of the lucky few in a Sprint LTE market (now and for the 37 years it will take to roll out), you have to settle for an old device or 3g only.

  • sgtguthrie

    Tmobile may be starting to sound good...

    • Gabba

      LOL.  Go ahead and switch; you'll be back to 4G in less than a month

      • Non

        All carriers currently offer some type of 4G wether it is HSPA+ or LTE

      • http://www.theandroidsite.com benmarvin

        My T-Mob HSPA+ is as fast, or faster than Sprint's WiMax or Verizon's LTE in the same location. AT&T is still faster due to slower adoption.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Xorg-Kc/100000867435778 Xorg Kc

      Tmobile throttles after so much usage.  Sprint is really the only true unlimited left and they plan to continue true unlimited with LTE.  For those in a Sprint 4G market, it's worth considering.  I'm using 6-8GB/month and get decent 4G performance on Sprint so the other players (ATT/VZW/Tmob) are out of the question.

      • sgtguthrie

        It would certainly be cheaper though! I'd rather be throttled than pay more...

        • shabbypenguin

          tmobiles pricing is comparable to sprints... the big difference with sprint is teh any mobile any time. you have unl calls to cell phones

          • sgtguthrie

            That's fine, but sprint's network is not. I live in the Detroit suburbs and my next door neighbor on sprint has less than 1mb/second download speeds (about .40mb)! That's terrible! Especially for a metro area!!!

    • Dudesalty

      Thay slow you down after 2 gbs

      • sgtguthrie

        If that's what you pay for ;-)

        What's holding me back is their coverage vs vzw. Decisions decisions...

  • Phillip Miller

    What if we jump into a new phone before they make the switch? then do we get forced at the next upgrade?

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Yes.

    • BGRUGGER

      Unless you buy phones off contract...

      • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

        Off-contract buyers will be forced into the plans as well. If you have no contract, Verizon will probably switch you to the tiered data this summer. If you have a contract, but are buying a device off-contract, you'll be forced once your contract ends.

        • Levi Wilcox

          Where's your source for this info? I doubt very much they'll FORCE you to sign another contract when you current contract is up. It'd be ridiculous to only allow "on contract" customers.

          • modplan

            They don't force you to sign a new contract, they just change your plan for you and raise the price, if you don't like it you can leave, just like cable companies do.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

            I think you're misunderstanding me. If your contract expires, Verizon will switch you to tiered rates - there is no contract involved. That's just what happens. You contracted initially for certain rates, and if you let that contract expire, Verizon no longer has to honor those rates.

            You'd still be off contract, but your pricing would change to the new model. Verizon can change pricing for off-contract customers at a whim, and does.

          • HERPADERP

            @rdr0b11:disqus THEY CAN'T SWITCH YOU WHEN YOUR CONTRACT EXPIRES, ALL THE CONTRACT IS IS AN AGREEMENT YOU WILL KEEP SERVICE FOR 2 YEARS NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS. WHAT YOU SIGNED UP FOR IS WHAT YOU GET UNTIL YOU CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT DERP

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

            HERPADERP, Caps lock = cruise control for cool, right? It's amazing just how wrong you are. If you're not on a 2-year service agreement, your contract is month-to-month. That means Verizon can change it. Month. To. Month. I'm really not sure how this horribly misinformed belief has propagated, but it really has. You have no "right" to keep your pricing where it is beyond the term of your service agreement.

        • Superguy

          Which would be really dumb because people can walk out the door at a moment's notice too.

          I'm not on a Verizon contract, and never have been.  As long as they provide me the service that I signed up for, the deal works.  If it doesn't, well, Verizon made the statement they don't need ANY of my money.  I'm already paying for unlimited voice/text and could probably do with paying less.  So I'm already a profitable customer.  Trying to milk me for more isn't going to make me a more profitable customer.  It's going to make a me a former customer.

          I'm not a huge data hog, but I'm also not going to sit there and worry about overages either.  Or if I gotta do that, I'll do it on a carrier that works better for me overall for my needs. 

    • Phillip Miller

      Verizon told me that as long as I maintain a contract, I will still have my unlimited data. I just recently had to change from a crazy plan with verizon that no longer existed, I have been using them since the first data plans came out.  I asked why I was able to keep it for so long.  They told me it was because they will not bump you from your current plan as long as you maintain a contract with them.

      • modplan

        Until now...

        • Phillip Miller

          that's what I thought

  • Aaron Echols

    Well, this just shows that Google's plan may succeed with going with multiple Nexus phones. People will only take so much, and the freedom to take a phone to where you want = WIN!

    • http://twitter.com/ToysSamurai Toys Samurai

      In fact, this removes one of the reason why I want to stick with Verizon. The 2nd is LTE. The 3rd is coverage. I wish by the time I want to change phone, T-mobile's LTE is up and running in NY metro area.

      • Gabba

        T-Mobile doesn't have LTE, they have HSPA+, and they're also the only network with no plans to ever roll out an LTE network.

        • fixxmyhead

          why do u think everyone needs LTE HSPA+ is fine stop giving into the fad and they already said they would roll out LTE in 2013

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=637436089 Jessica Nickla

          umm fyi, t-mobile is launching lte sometime in 2013 i believe

  • http://codytoombs.wordpress.com/ Cody Toombs

    TBH, I'm surprised this announcement didn't come much sooner.  I expected something more aggressive than this, even to the tune of not giving this much of a warning.

    I'm on AT&T and I've been expecting them to do the same for a while.  I suspect that when my contract is up, and especially since a Nexus family of devices may not be that far off (if yesterdays rumor holds true), I'll probably switch to pre-paid service.  Without unlimited data and my relatively low talk times, I don't have a good reason to stay on a contract.

  • Levi Wilcox

    So whats to stop you from buying a Verizon phone elsewhere or at full price and not renew your contract?

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      If you do not renew your contract Verizon will automatically switch you to a tiered plan when your contract ends.

      • Antinorm

        [citation needed]

        • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

          There is no need to cite anything - Verizon has no obligation to keep your plan pricing the same month to month if you do not have a contract guaranteeing such. They will switch you if you don't have a contract, it's just a matter of when.

          • modplan

            Changes like this normally happen when you try to activate a new phone, even if you bought it elsewhere. 

            VZW would probably NOT change your plan if you keep your exact phone forever, and ever. But no one is going to do that....

          • Antinorm

            Just because they have the right to do something doesn't mean they will.  Your comment said that they "will" do it.  Hence, the [citation needed] stands.

          • URADERP

            They can't arbitrarily change your contract after the 2 year agreement expires. A two year agreement is just an agreement that you agree to pay x amount for 2 years of service. After that it rolls month to month on the same plan / contract yet you have the opportunity to cancel at any time. This is pretty straight forward. 

          • Simon Belmont

            This is true for pricing. However, unless you upgrade and sign up for a new contract, carriers usually can't alter what your now expired contract offered.

            I sat on a grandfathered AT&T Blue Plan with a feature phone for years and continued to receive free incoming texts, while everyone else had to pay for them with their newer plans. Data was cheaper too.

          • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

            They won't alter it because they'd prefer to keep your business - until you get a new phone (on Verizon, they need to activate it - that's when they tell you "Oh, we need to switch you to the new plans in order to activate this device on our network"). 

            The logic is that if you have an old phone with an old plan, the old phone is suited to the old plan's economics (old phone = less ability to burden the network, and you'll get a new one eventually). Whether or not that's always true is another issue entirely, but that's the logic.

            There's no reason they "can't" change your plan when you're month-to-month though, it's just that many people's anecdotal experience with this sort of thing seems to have made them believe there's something that actually prevents the carriers from altering their plans or pricing. There isn't.

          • Simon Belmont

            Fair enough. What I've experienced seems to jive with what others that I've spoken to on the subject have said, but what you said makes sense too.

            It seems to be at the carrier's discretion, then, if they will actually force existing people on unlimited plans to a tiered plan, even if they are off contract. It might not be a guaranteed thing in this situation for off contract folks though. From all the articles that I've read, you need to SIGN UP for a new plan or renew an existing one with an LTE device to be "de-grandfathered." We shall see, I guess. "LTE is our anchor point for data share, so as you come through an
            upgrade cycle and you upgrade in the future, you will have to go onto
            the data share plan, moving away from the unlimited world," and "So when you think about our 3G base — a lot of our 3G base is unlimited
            — as they start to migrate into 4G, they will have to come off of
            unlimited and go into the data share plan, and that's beneficial for us
            for many reasons, obviously." Sounds to me like you could technically wallow in 3G world in an unlimited fashion.

      • Sting23ray

         What if you just keep buying used handsets and not renew the contract?

  • https://twitter.com/#!/psycho_maniac_ Jerry Lange

    Thinking about T-Mobile, seriously

    • http://twitter.com/KickingLettuce Kicking Lettuce

      Not with their lack of LTE. Otherwise, I'd agree.

      • https://twitter.com/#!/psycho_maniac_ Jerry Lange

        Doesn't matter with me. I don't have late. I'll be waiting for either anywats. its coming.

      • fixxmyhead

        another poor sucker that thinks he needs LTE

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=637436089 Jessica Nickla

        ... haven't you guys heard that t-mobile is upgrading to lte starting sometime in 2013?? Quite a few people seem oblivious to this somehow

      • Lsjsjansnsn

        Yeah, cause T-Mobiles 42 mbps is slow and battery life hogging *sarcasm*

  • Guest

    wow... Now I can move to T-Mobile or Sprint... I hate both ATT and *Phones.

    • NiteSnow

      Sprint will have LTE covering their entire footprint at the very latest by 2014, and the majority of the network will be finished by 2013 with all major markets finished by the end of this year IIRC.

      • Lsjsjansnsn

        They said that with WiMax. And they said they would roam, and roaming on Sprint to a different carrier will male your unlimited plan not be unlimited as you dont have unlimited in roaming

  • Cguella

    ATT blazing 4G tiered plan here I come.  I should have never left.  Sorry.

  • Paul Johnson

    Which just begs the question, are there any wireless carriers operating in the public interest as required to maintain an FCC license to operate?  If so, who?  If not, let's aim for the balls and start filing objections when their licenses come up for renewal.

    • Gabba

      Business = operating for profit.  If you wthink any business operates "for the public good", you're an idiot.

      • Guest

        The difference is that most businesses aren't making use of radio frequencies which are a public commodity we turn over to companies and allow those companies to make profit on for the public good. Paul isn't wrong about this. Unfortunately it's probably extremely optimistic to think that the government is going to deny the largest cellular carrier it's license over the objections of a few thousand customers.

      • Paul Johnson

        To maintain an FCC license, a licensee must be good stewards of the airways.  This isn't a nice thing to have, it's an absolute to maintain a permit to operate on the air.

  • Seth M

    Hopefully Google starts selling VZW phones on Play when my Nexus needs updgrading haha

    • LewisSD

      Hell will freeze over before vzw lets that happen

      • http://www.facebook.com/casey.a.kline Casey Kline

        They dont have to let it happen. All they have to do is sell phones with the hardware to access the network.

        • Goldenpins

          agreed.. but most likely they will restrict and enforce some "seal of approval" from them. Basically gimping them

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7GU4N7CVDBJXMZOBFO3DMIQZH4 J

      It would be nice (especially since the GNex they have up now out right is about what Verizon wants for their subsidized phone)....  Unfortunately, that'll probably never happen...  For a CDMA phone to work, it needs special code specific to the carrier (unlike GSM where you just drop in any random SIM).  That's why Google de-listed the GNex as a developer phone, because they couldn't share that code in the AOSP.  And why you can get the gsm nexus from google.com/nexus, but the cdma versions for Sprint & Verizon you've got to go through them.

    • Earl_sphinx

      they may now verizon has sim cards its posible

  • LewisSD

    Noooooo!!!!!! Im getting so over verizon fucking over their customers. 

  • Jays2Kings

    And here I thought I would stay on Verizon after my contract in November, but now, I have even more options, especial since the HTC one's aren't on Verizon.

  • LewisSD

    Im downloading wireless tether right now and im going to juice this unlimited data until the fat lady sings!!

    • cherbo

      Yay!! me too!!

    • cherbo

      Yay!! me too!!

  • Sirius14

    What if...what if..... What if....
    Just wait until they announce it oficially before working yourself up.

  • LewisSD

    Just thought of something. A petition against this Fucked up idea. Remember when they were going to start charging a fee to pay your bill? They backed off that idea in less than a day when they saw the negative reaction. 

    One customer saying they are going to leave doesn't mean anything, but if we get over 10,000 customers they will back off really quick.

    Anyone know how we can get this started?????

    • http://twitter.com/Bateluer Robert Boluyt

       Verizon Wireless has 100 million customers. You're going to need more than 10,000 people signing a petition.

      • LewisSD

        No shit. That's not the point. The point is to see how many people we can get to jump on this. Thanks for the negativity tho.

        • Earl_sphinx

          I'm down for it if we don't stand up now what else will thay do to us ...get the paper work roling

      • LewisSD

        No shit. That's not the point. The point is to see how many people we can get to jump on this. Thanks for the negativity tho.

      • Reggie Kenner

        100 million customers and I pay $150 a month? One would almost think there's some profit in their business without screwing with those of us who have had Verizon Wireless since the phone was as large as a small car.

    • Non

      change.org

    • http://www.theandroidsite.com benmarvin

      Angry loud people. Getting shit done since like in such as forever.

  • meh

    Been a Verizon rep for 6 years.  This does suck.  I currently have a Nexus.  If you buy your next 4G LTE phone outright or on ebay that uses the same sim card, you simply have to put the Nexus sim card into your next phone and the plan will not change.

    • http://twitter.com/Bateluer Robert Boluyt

       Doesn't work that way, VZW LTE sims are single use.

      • Sharksaresupercool

        not true, if you get a clnr unit you just put the old sim in the new phone did it 13 times with the samsung charge

  • Dan

    Am I really the only one laughing about "Oh Snap:"?  Seriously.  I LOL'ed.

    On the actual topic: Why can't people figure out that if this actually effects your life, then you are absolutely NOT Verizon's target market?  The old unlimited plans are the same price as the current 2gig plans.  That means this only matters to you if you are on unlimited and using more than 2gig per month.  If that's you, then Verizon would very much like to you to get the hell off their network.  If that's you, then Verizon WANTS you to throw a hissy fit and go to some other carrier.

    If that's you, NOBODY wants you to be their customer.  They want your mom to be their customer.  They want your idiot boss who can't figure out his DVR.  They want your little sister who tweets and checks her facebook every 45 seconds so that her monthly data usage sometimes gets as high as 800meg if there's a big scandal at school.  They do not want the guy who is burning through 20gig worth of data by streaming music all day long and using a rooted tether to his laptop for videos rather than paying for cable tv.

    So, are you on unlimited and using more than 2gig/month?  If not, why bitch?  It doesn't effect you.  If you are, why bitch?  Verizon wants you to leave.

    • infernalpudding

      First off, you don't have to be the guy burning through 20 gigs a day to be upset by this. I usually use less than 2 gigs per month on my 3g connection, but this is still sufficient for me to pursue other carriers. An unlimited plan provides a degree of peace of mind such that I don't have to worry about my usage activities (how much youtube I watch, how graphic heavy the sites I visit are, etc.). 

      Secondly, duh. Obviously the carriers would prefer you use less of their resources. Ideally you would keep paying while using none of their resources.

      Regardless, bandwidth usage has historically increased with time. There is no indication that this trend will stop. For those who currently only use minimal bandwidth, sure--but what happens in another two years? I don't trust the carriers to increase data caps in line with general usage trends because the money revenue opportunity is great. 

      So yeah, I'm going to bitch because I don't like it and I want to convey to the carriers that I disapprove with their practices---and I intend to do that while switching carriers as well as in other channels, such as the web.

      That being said, given the cost to entry in the space for new carriers to emerge, it's not like we find ourselves with numerous choices. That's why I think it is so important to be extremely vocal when one finds a practice unacceptable.  And if you don't like it....well, you can bitch publicly about my bitching. :)

      • http://twitter.com/mwhdev Andy Taylor

        Wait until you get 4G. You will burn through GBs. I average 8GB a month... this will really make me think twice about continuing to be a Verizon customer.

        • infernalpudding

          Oh, I have no doubt that the connection impacts my bandwidth usage. Certainly faster speeds provide for more data-heavy opportunities. I only brought up that I was using less than 2 gigs because Dan didn't seem to understand why someone using less than 2 gigs would be upset.  As indicated in my initial reply, this prompted me to look into other carriers (just gotta wait for the assorted contracts in our family plan to end)

      • http://twitter.com/mwhdev Andy Taylor

        Wait until you get 4G. You will burn through GBs. I average 8GB a month... this will really make me think twice about continuing to be a Verizon customer.

      • http://twitter.com/mwhdev Andy Taylor

        Wait until you get 4G. You will burn through GBs. I average 8GB a month... this will really make me think twice about continuing to be a Verizon customer.

    • http://www.androidpolice.com/ David Ruddock

      Gotta say, I'm a Verizon customer myself, and I barely manage to use 800MB a month. I agree that most of the reason Verizon is forcing tiers is to discourage abusive behavior. It has nothing to do with the "price" of data - it has everything to do with that 5% of bandwidth hogs drowning out their local access point with a never-ending flood of traffic for days on end while they tether to their laptops and torrent a 20GB archive of the complete Bob Marley live performance bootleg series.

      I don't want those people on my network - and if they must be, they better be paying out the ass for it. There's a reason you have a home ISP, and until wireless capacity reaches the point where it can support those kinds of download habits, that's where that kind of traffic needs to stay.

      • ashclepdia

        While i don't agree with how Verizon it's doing this, your post was very well thought out
        And i completely agree with you

        But the thing is, i JUST signed a 2yr contract with unlimited days Last year and did that BECAUSE i was informed that i could KEEP that unlimited data plan AS LONG AS I RENEWED MY CONTRACT.
        And now all of a sudden i won't be able to do that?! I got the unlimited plan because i use anywhere from 2-15gb every month, it varies so widly that i rent gonna pay a tiered plan at at&t and pay way to much some months, and or go way over other months and end up playing even more. I don't tether, i don't torrent on my network connection, and i certainly don't hog bandwidth throughout all hours of the day.
        So yea, i don't agree with what vzw is doing here, they lured me in with the promise i could keep renewing my unlimited data and now they take that away from me, it's complete bull crap if you ask me

      • Madfatter

        I use the shit out of my verizon internet. But i pay for UNLIMITED data and I pay extra for UNLIMITED Tethering. Read: UNLIMITED, meaning without limit. carriers shouldt offer that and then jsut renig, its the eqauivilant of me deciding i am only poaying 2 thirds of my cell phone bill halfway thorugh my cycle. Its compelte bs how 4 majot carriers have the enitre nation bent over and force them to take whatever they give us becasue we all pretty much rely on smartphones.

        • http://twitter.com/simp1istic simp1istic

          Whats worse, is that people defend them!

      • Dudesalty

        I came to Verizon from Tmoble for true unlimited. 4G was not even out yet. I dont see how anyone can use less then 2gb. I reset my phone and used allmost 2gb just doing that. I use wifi when i download utube or when ever it is around. I asked more than one Verizon rep if this was true unlimited thay all sayed yes even if i use 50 GB. Its not your network. If there network cant handle it thats not my fault. There is fm, postcast, netflix,nav,apps, and much more. I do use my home network when home. I am willing to pay as much as 10.00 more thats it. If you use less than 4gb then the price should stay the same. The so called power users pay 10.00 more that is fare. The people with rooted phones are the real hogs the ones tethering all day. That is ehat thay should crack doen on.

      • Lsjsjansnsn

        But im saying is that VZW's network was fast even before the discontinued unlimited. So that means they may have made a lot of profit and were able to pay for their bandwidth. They were as fast as ATT when ATT never had an HSPA+ network. That makes it seem like Verizon just wants more money, and they have made a lot of revenue. And they still make a lot of money with the $30 upgrade fee!!

    • draiko

      Why bitch? Because of the future. Have you seen the graphs showing how much data usage has skyrocketed over the last 4 years?

      What about the graphs showing the increase in the average size of apps?

      How about the increase in screen resolution and camera quality (size of pictures and videos)?

      People (like your mom, your idiot boss, or your sister) are going to fear mobile internet usage after their first data overage charge because they don't understand how much data these things consume. There's no way to easily and simply quantify data usage so that the average Joe can understand.

      This is going to result in a trainwreck of epic proportions.

    • Kenny Loggins

      why bitch if verizon wants you to leave? Sounds like a reason to bitch. I agree with what you're saying... but its definitely a reason to complain if you can't get the service you're paying for currently, even if you start paying $80+ a month...

      • Earl_sphinx

        I'm over 100 and my phone is my work and this sucks ...

    • Spoken Word™

      I knew it was only a matter of time before someone flamed you. But apparently there are a lot of people living in fantasy land. Verizon isn't the only carrier that has chosen to do away with unlimited data and they won't be the last. Flee to Sprint and T-mobile will soon find both doing the same as their networks reach saturation. Dan Hess has already alluded to as much. And T-Mobile just ended the free tethering on it's phones that run ICS. The end is near fr unlimited data. Thankfully I've always bought my phones outright just to avoid contracts. Me and my unlimited data are safe.

      • infernalpudding

        It is certainly true that the unlimited data battle might be a lost cause, but leaving a carrier because of this issue sends a message (particularly if the customer tells the carrier why he or she is leaving :)) that can help lead to policy change in the long run. While I suspect such changes are unlikely to result in a return of unlimited, it could perhaps lead to something like higher data caps. 

    • Herman Munster

       Wow Dan, it is amazing how completely wrong you are.  Truly!   Verizon doesn't want to get rid of the person using more than 2 gig/month.  Not by any stretch of the imagination.  Verizon knows the future of where this is going.  People will be burning up 2 gigs in a weekend pretty soon.  These phones and networks are getting faster and their use will expand greatly beyond what it is now. 

      Verizon wants to make sure that they are able to snatch every single dime they can.  The future is greater use and more data so they want to be able to charge for it.  It's grandma they want to get rid of, not the heavy user.  Verizon didn't develop a model to get rid of heavy users they developed a model to navigate and manipulate them into a tiered model so down the road they will be able to charge for every mb of data used. That's the way it is plain and simple. 

      I am in the unlimited plan so I guess I will be keeping this phone forever.  I'll wait until the new phones are out for awhile and pick up a used one but I will NEVER give up the unlimited data plan for the sake of saving on a new phone that will do little more than the phone I have.  Anyone who does is foolish.  When I'm on a 10 hour road trip with friends and they want to watch movies on netflix or stream pandora on the entire trip I don't want to have to worry about my "data caps". 

    • Cattycat

      actually not true im on unlimited and dont use more then 2gig and its making my plan go up 20 to 25 extra bucks..

    • gill

      Uairborne ADR6400L@ Dan - You AND Verizon can blow a fat one (and I don't mean a j). That's if you can take big reds outta your mouth long enough to slide another one in it. You don't know s**t. 2 gigabytes on 4g evaporates like water in death valley. Especially for people whose jobs are based around the use of their data plan and their smart phone. You can't convince me the largest and fastest, every growing 4g networks bandwidth, is suffering. For every person who uses more than 10 gigs a month there's another who uses only 40 bytes. They're just trying to railroad people. They want to get rid of people who use alot of data? That's a fatal mistake. They'll lose at least half their customer base and they'll move over to T-Mobile, and they'll have the largest and fastest 4g network with all the new income they gain. Then you'll be crying about the way they tacked an extra $250 on your bill because you went 3 megabytes over your pathetic data cap. Then you'll realize no matter how much you blow Verizon they still only want to put it in your a$$ in the end... You goofy punk.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7GU4N7CVDBJXMZOBFO3DMIQZH4 J

    The lose of unlimited data is only if you upgrade to a 4G phone right?  So if I stick with just 3G phones?  Finally, living in middle of no where rural USA might pay off...  Verizon is the only 3G service in town & I doubt we'll be seeing 4G for awhile, so no need to rush into upgrading yet...

    Or... Does anyone know how early you can go in & renew your contract?  Presumably if you get in before the switch, you could nab a 4G phone & still keep unlimited data...  At least for another 2 years anyway...

    If nothing else, Verizon just screwed themselves...  My grandfathered unlimited data is one of the primary reasons I'm with them...  If Google does go through with its "new Android Alliance" as reported here....  I'd defiantly consider dropping 400 for an unlocked phone that'll get updates direct from Google (or at least be unlocked so I can get CM)...  It'll suck being limited to just EDGE data speeds on a 4G enabled phone, but....  

    Of course on the other hand...  I don't think there's really been more than 1.5GBs used on the phone/month.... And I'd assume they'll run a "Double your 4G data" in conjuncture with this....  So I'd probably be alright with 4GBs of data....  

    • wilson yyt

      3g only on verizon is almost the slowest thing ever, i better of with edge on AT&T

    • ashclepdia

      Only problem with your plan o f only upgrading to 3g devices is this, VERIZON IS NO LONGER OFFERING ANY NEW 3g DEVICES FOR YOU TO UPGRADE TO!!
      They are, FORCING this down your throat if you want to upgrade, they will ONLY have 4g capable devices for you to upgrade too.
      If you know ANY 3g only devices planned for release AT ALL let me know....

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/7GU4N7CVDBJXMZOBFO3DMIQZH4 J

        Yeah, I was trying to come up with one while I typed....  I'm ready to get rid of my DX, ever since the last update its become extremely buggy.  

        I dunno...  Sprint's unlimited everything sounds nice...  A little more than what I'm paying Verizon & I'm not sure how well their coverage is...  AT&T's voice coverage isn't too bad around here, and the Edge data seemed to travel about as fast as the 3G I'm getting from Verizon (as Wilson yyt points out)...  Going through Google would allow me to get updates faster...  Or I could just say "screw it, I never really go over the 2GB limit anyway"...

  • Neiceek

    That sucks

  • Drootz

    Unlim data is the only reason I stick with VZW, take that away and there is no reason for me to stay.....I will just find a new carrier and buy my next nexus straight from google.

    I wonder if I buy a phone off of ebay instead of on contract and switch my phone that way if they will still try to take unlim data away.

  • br_hermon

    Interesting idea here... VERY Hypothetical but hear me out... Verizon is saying that they are going to force everyone onto shared / tiered data when they sign a new contract. But if the Google Nexus store rumors are true AND they release a phone that can be used on VZ's network then we will never have to sign a new contract. We can just sit on our expired contracts ready to upgrade and instead just buy a phone from Google instead and use it. Now that I think about it... If the Google store does come true, after our intial 2 year agreements go by no one will have to live on a contract anymore. 

    Or do I just have my head in the clouds here?

    • infernalpudding

      My understanding is that CMDA phones are unlikely to be found in the Play Store due to the proprietary nature of the radio software. Also, if you are out of contract, nothing would prevent Verizon from changing the specifics of your plan, such as tiered data, on their own.

      (I hope I end up wrong on both points... :( )

    • Seeteedub

      If you read on the Google Play store fine print...it says, 

      "Galaxy Nexus devices purchased on Google Play are unlocked GSM/HSPA+ devices.The unlocked Galaxy Nexus requires GSM compatible service provider for voice calling. In the United States this includes AT&T and T-Mobile. Phones purchased from devices on Google Play are not compatible with Verizon or Sprint.High speed data access requires a compatible 3G/4G HSPA+ cellular data service provider such as AT&T and T-Mobile.If you have trouble connecting to your carriers mobile data network, contact your service provider."

      • br_hermon

        Nice find. I havent seen that before. However, if the rumored forth coming devices are true, could Google change their fine print and end up coming out with a VZW compatible device? It's possible. Whether or not its likely is another story.

        • Goldenpins

          Its impossible. A GSM phone is a special sim chip.. not the same as CDMA (with) a (4G sim card) for Verizon or Sprint. You cant take a CDMA phone around the world unless its global but only Droid Pro is. (last i checked). With a GSM phone its global and can go on most GSM networks like ATT and T-mobile unless it uses special features like T-mobiles 4G wanna be speeds but its just a tricked out 3G+ speed. That why you have to call in with Verizon to connect the line or walk into a store vs GSM based you switch sim cards. My friends running a Galaxy note on T-mobile. Basically they will know you have a new phone and enforce the upgrade.

          • br_hermon

            I understand the logic of GSM vs CDMA and you're right. But the simple fact that a Verizon Galaxy Nexus even exists proves that a pure Google phone on VZW's network is possible. So it's really not a question of it being technically possible as much as it is "is this possible as a practice of business?"

        • Goldenpins

          Agreed 100% .. Im not arguing that.. but the Galaxy Nexus was considered by many as the fake Nexus, it was restricted, update issues and even had carrier apps. Their Nexus phone/Android code wasn't able to be shared like the regular other android phones and Nexus line. It seam highly unlikely unless they stop Verizon straight out of the gate. After I responded to this last night I saw in in depth article on how their CDMA phone/ Nexus source code is not allowed to be shared. It was late night but ill try to find it again so i can link it here. Very interesting read.

      • br_hermon

        Nice find. I havent seen that before. However, if the rumored forth coming devices are true, could Google change their fine print and end up coming out with a VZW compatible device? It's possible. Whether or not its likely is another story.

  • askher

    I have a droid 2 now, I was going to stick it out until a real phone came along. Do you know the exact date this will start, truthfully I am so tired of verizon, even on LTE it falls back to 3g at my office (tested with 3 LTE devices), and I'm in tampa....... Verizon blows... c ya. Oh everyone on a company line is switching, sprint what up

  • Major_Pita

    Well, this may be just the nudge I need. I've been a vzw voice customer for over ten years and a data customer for over five. Lately however when looking at the ICS delays, the LTE/quad core problems combined with all the post-release patches and bug fixes needed on new 'flagship' phones, I've pretty much had it with carrier-based products. Also really starting to wonder if LTE is worth all of the associated hassles. Google Nexus straight from Google is looking pretty good right now and with GSM not tied to a specific carrier I'd have a lot more options.

    • fixxmyhead

      u and lots of other people barely realizing this

  • Blazingdisciple

    What if you already have a 4G phone and simply upgrade to another 4G phone? It sort of sounds like it will still make you switch plans...damn

    • John O’Connor

      YOU WILL NEED TO PAY FULL RETAIL PRICE on the new device in order to not lose your unlimited plan. Either way they make extra money since they won't be subsidizing your phone

  • Dannyg7436

    Oh there is an escape I'll go to another carrier. Verizon is messing up. First they take away my annual corporate upgrades now this, by the time my contract expires the other carriers will have their lte in full swing. Plus I'm getting tired of the non supported Droids and late OS updates.

  • Vargo2

    Figures, I just now got 4 g in my area and my contract is up this december.

  • http://twitter.com/spdivr1122 Stephen

    4gb family data- 90 dollars a month. watch

    • Lsjsjansnsn

      And thats their corporate discount

  • Collin Apodac

    Later VZW...Those Who WOuld Like To Defend them, Go Ahead! In the end I've been paying out the ass for years and this is how they wanna treat all of us? LAter VZW and Hello Tmobile :O)

  • Collin Apodac

    Just Called VZW ad the rep stated that "you will never lose your unlimited data" and also said they had no clue what I was talking about. As usual, last ones to know...

    • KDD

      I just went to the VZW store and had to inform the workers there about the news.

  • Conan

    Question for those on VZW: when you want to activate a new phone, does it require the involvement of another human being or can it be done online or via some other method?

    Also, whether or not VZW automatically switches off-contract people to their new data plans when it goes into effect is up for debate at this point, but they nevertheless do have the power to do so. I mean, carriers try changing things even when people are _in_ contracts. I wouldn't put it past VZW at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=30814337 Brian Rokosz

    anything more specific that "this summer"

  • Technut8412

    This ideal the cfk has if fucked up. I dont do the wifi tether or the torrent download. I pay for cable internet for that shit. I ride around all day while working and use pandora to listen to what i want. I play words, scramble with friends, and facebook. Do my banking and emailing. I give my phone to my kids while driving down the road so they can enjoy something on netflix. I burn up around 11 gb a month. Why offer a phone for such services. Droid doing basic stuff will burn up some data. To offer 2 gb for $30 is just not a accurate offer. I pay $54.00 for my cable internet but get 250gb without getting a notice of usage. But after 250gb they still dont charge extra. Maybe if verizon look at real usage for real working people like construction, postal drivers, drivers of any type it wouldnt be a bad thing. Offer 15gb for $30 as a base plan. That sounds like a lot but use your droids the way they can and its really not that much. We need the real users that arent abusing data but useing the features to the fullest need to speak up.

  • L boogie

    so what happens if i change my phone in the midst of my contract? am i still on or am i kicked off my unlimited plan? well definitely looking forward to google's new nexus initiative with big red's current/future plans

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brandon-Whipp/1262569382 Brandon Whipp
  • O Guerrero52

    This is also sad news for Verizon. The way I see it: unhappy customers is a loss in revenue. Just like Verizon is saying bye bye to unlimited data I will be saying bye bye to Verizon and just like me there are thousands of customers that will be affected and not happy. So I think the thing to do is WELCOME SPRINT! Here I come. As soon as the contracts are up on every one of my five lines I will be giving my business to Sprint. I know that Verizon is looking at me as one of the feww upset customers but I believe we are a buch

  • Alexddupree

    when?

  • http://twitter.com/chiatar chiatar

    I don't mind the change as long as my unused MBs roll over at the end of the month.
    I mean, I paid for them right?

    *laugh*

    • John O’Connor

      *double-laugh* if there is ever "rollover data" offered it will be rollover bytes!! Something like $0.0000001/byte to confuse people which for anyone who isn't good with math that works out to $100/GB in overage

  • Oldrazzledazzle

    I am a crack-flasher and use about 10-15gb monthly. Looks like Verizon is losing my family plan. Sprint here I come

  • None

    Contrary to what @rdr0b11:disqus is posting everywhere, unless something changes between now and then, he is incorrect.  And I'm talking from first hand
    experience, not third party anecdotes.  VZW does not force you to change your plan when your
    contract expires.  Nor will they arbitrarily change it without your
    consent.  There are a ton of people who still have old Alltel plans active on
    the VZW network, for instance.

  • Aingon Atelia

    When does this take effect?

  • Tim

    This is a riot.  People all worked up with very little details provided and you don't even see the big picture.  I won't disagree that this looks bad, but everyone whined and cried when they stopped offering unlimited data and do we remember why they did that?  Because the networks were overloaded.

    Sprint is light years behind VZ and ATT.  They don't have nearly the amount of customers a VZ/ATT has and they have no idea how it will impact their network if all of you hop over to their network.

    Once you all switch you'll get your unlimited plans for about one contract and Sprint will realize that VZ/ATT had a very good reason for removing the plans.  Then when Sprint cancels unlimited data there will be no good reason for you to stay there because every other portion of their service is total shit.

    Good luck band-wagoners. We'll see you in a few years once Sprint "screws" you.

    • cashd00d

      Once everyone switches to Sprint, VZW and at&t will revert back to unlimited data to lure back their customers.

      And as far as Sprint's network being overloaded, look up "Network Vision" and see that Sprint is spending the most money on network upgrades of any provider right now. See you in a few years when you're still overpaying and spouting out the same mindless dribble.

      • John O’Connor

        And the thing that everyone seems to overlook is that Verizon stands to make more money, since they will no longer be offering subsidized prices for handsets to those on unlimited plans but they still own you for your contract term. 

        Generally happy Sprint customer here

        • Tim

          Really?  Of course they are going to make more money! What kind of business do you think they are running a charity?  Any decision made by any business is for one reason, TO MAKE MONEY.  Until you figure that out you will never understand.

          I dislike this decision as much as everyone else on this comment board.  I have VZ myself and have unlimited data on a family plan.  I know I'm going to lose it and it's not something I want to deal with but I understand that these companies are in business to make money, not save me money.

      • Tim

        Revert back to unlimited data?  I would love to know what world you live in and when you plan on coming back to planet earth.

        There is one reason and one reason only that this change is occurring.  MONEY! If you think otherwise you are crazy.  Every decision made by every single business is to make MORE MONEY!

        Verizon has just about double the market share Sprint has in the wireless market.  They have had a larger network of data subscribers for a longer time period than Sprint and have a much better understanding of how to handle a large network.

        If Sprint does keep unlimited data as you claim it will, they will be forced to make changes in other areas to recoup the money they have invested.  Whether it be increased costs to customers or some other method, something will have to give way, you can't just spend money and expect to make more without changing something.

        Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, and T-Mobile are all businesses.  And what do businesses want?  To make more money year over year.  If the two largest and most profitable wireless providers in the industry are altering they're data plans, it isn't a coincidence, it isn't a mistake.  They are doing this because they believe it will maximize profit.  

        If Sprint can keep unlimited data plans going and keep the cost to the consumer down and still manage to make as much profit as VZ/AT&T, I applaud them for it.  The numbers just don't seem to work out that way.  Sprint hasn't made money for investors and the investors are not happy about it.  I hope for the industry that they can sustain and be profitable.  The last thing I want is another wireless provider to go down the toilet and give these large providers even more power.  But that is business, the strong swallow up the weak.

        As for "Network Vision", it is a great plan by Sprint and it will definitely help them gain some market share.  But I have to ask do you know why Sprint is spending and I'll quote you "the most money on network upgrades of any provider right now"?  It's because they have to in order to compete!  They have been losing out to VZ/ATT for years and with out a reliable 4G network, they will be left in the dust for good.

        Until you can look at it from a business perspective, you will never understand the decision.

    • cashd00d

      Once everyone switches to Sprint, VZW and at&t will revert back to unlimited data to lure back their customers.

      And as far as Sprint's network being overloaded, look up "Network Vision" and see that Sprint is spending the most money on network upgrades of any provider right now. See you in a few years when you're still overpaying and spouting out the same mindless dribble.

    • Sanchezm94

      your an idiot. A verizon employee no dout.

    • Lsjsjansnsn

      Verizons network was already fast even before they canceled unlimited data. Of course LTE was alot of money, but i think they used that excuse to take away unlimited. And the more money people have the more greedy people get, and thats a true fact! Since VZW killed unlimited data, they saw that they were getting more money, and now all they want is more because they became even greedier. Now they want to kill all unlimited plans so that they get a higher paycheck. They probably don't even care about how we feel since they are bathing in our money.

      Now Sprint uses Unlimited Data plans to bring in more customers, but I guess they will add in more fees to rollout thier LTE, and they have been slow and knew it. But I don't think they will stop to offer unlimited plans since I doubt that they will pay for more bandwidth as they dont really pay for it now. And i also think that they wont take off unlimited because they are slow, and since they make less money, therefore making them less greedy, and as i said before THE MORE MONEY SOMEONE MAKES, THE MORE GREEDIER THEY BECOME WITH MONEY!!! So

    • Herman Munster

      The networks aren't overloaded. That is a bunch of crap and rationalization that they use to justify jacking up their prices.  If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you right over a swamp in Florida. 

  • Nygiantsrulez

    Does anyone know if this effects corporate unlimited data? I have a rooted tbolt with unlimited corp data plan due to my corporate email. So if I get a new device this summer or fall can I still keep my unlimited data since it is the corporate plan?
    I use 15GB some months with tethering and netflix and downloading lots of large files.
    Thx

    • Goldenpins

      Yes it does... it effects everyone. Including corporate. The only people who have business data uncapped is comcast business but there land line.

  • Kenny Loggins

    This thread is full of QQ

  • skinien

    "
    And this time, there's no escaping it."

    Unless I'm reading Verizon's statement wrong, you can escape the change if you buy a phone outside of the subsidized discount.

    • John O’Connor

      the proviso being, will they support it or allow it to be activated on their network? some serious grey areas here. and many more questions raised than answers given

  • Earl_sphinx

    Well verizon must hate its clients or became over gready cause they r the most expensive carrier and the only last perk they want to take away what gives I was with verison 8 years now if this keeps goin I may leave. the economy isn't great and the pirce to have a phone is crazy ... now this...

  • Simon Belmont

    The clarification is pretty much what I figured. I didn't think VZW was going to force you into a tiered data plan if you kept your existing 3G/4G handset.

    They technically COULD, if they wanted to, but they aren't so they don't look like jerks. This practice is the same with pretty much all carriers and, hence, why I kept my Blue Plan with AT&T for years and years.

  • Simon Belmont

    The clarification is pretty much what I figured. I didn't think VZW was going to force you into a tiered data plan if you kept your existing 3G/4G handset.

    They technically COULD, if they wanted to, but they aren't so they don't look like jerks. This practice is the same with pretty much all carriers and, hence, why I kept my Blue Plan with AT&T for years and years.

  • Simon Belmont

    The clarification is pretty much what I figured. I didn't think VZW was going to force you into a tiered data plan if you kept your existing 3G/4G handset.

    They technically COULD, if they wanted to, but they aren't so they don't look like jerks. This practice is the same with pretty much all carriers and, hence, why I kept my Blue Plan with AT&T for years and years.

  • bschne0

    i currently have unlimited 4g, and my sister is waiting to get the new iphone...

    "the next time you (or anyone on your plan, for that matter) upgrade your handset to anything with 4G LTE service, your unlimited goes bye-bye for good"

    does this mean i will lose my unlimited when she upgrades?

  • Hyphyfresh

    I work for Verizon they only force you to a data cap IF YOU SWITCH A SHARED DATA/FAMILY PLAN not individual plans

  • X2caleb2X

    If I buy off contract, do I keep my unlimited data?

  • John O’Connor

    Is the "yet" silent or did anybody else hear it as well?

  • FrillArtist

    Despite what you've been told, YOU. DO. NOT. NEED. LTE. Most apps and activities run fine on 3G or HSPA+. LTE is only good for killing your battery and helping you reach your cap quicker. Unless you are downloading large files on a daily basis or tethering your device to share the internet connection, I have not seen many other uses that take advantage of LTE speeds yet. 

  • John O’Connor

    It is unfortunate that no carrier offers a lower plan for those who bring their own devices, or purchase at full retail.  

    This is another quick money ploy at Verizon whereas you still pay for the full price of their network services which you must contractually commit to and they save (more like RAKE-IN) an extra $200-$800 on the subsidy price of your phone.

  • sgtguthrie

    Okay as far as the update, I think there's something everyone is missing.  If you're not under a contract anymore, month to month, they can change terms and pricing any time anyway can they not?  In which case, you may be fine purchasing unsubsidized for now, but who knows what will happen 6 months down the road, or a year.  They can change their mind whenever they want!  Just like they did with grandfathering...

    • None

      I can get hit by a bus walking to my car.  Just because something can happen, doesn't mean that it will happen.  I've had the same electricty/gas provider for years, never had a contract with them, and never had my price changed just because they can.

      • sgtguthrie

        II get that, I wasn't born yesterday. However, look at vzw's pattern of behavior toward it's customers in the last few years. Don't be naive! Look at the record. End new every 2, $30 upgrade fee, $300 for top tier phones instead of $200, that alone is $160 of new expenses for upgrades in the last 2 years alone! All with amazing earnings over the last 2 quarters!

        One other tidbit, electric and gas prices are regulated if I remember correctly. Cellular is a whole different beast!

        • John O’Connor

          gas and electric may be regulated, but anyone would be naive to believe that G&E rates don't go up. most utilities have a general % increase that they charge per year (the only difference is there is a legally mandated increase cap)

  • Shaun Hall

    "
    Customers have told us that they want to share data, similar to how they share minutes today". This was in Verizon's statement.  Raise you hand if you were one who told them this.

    • None

      I'm raising my hand for the families who have 5 smartphones on their account paying $30 per handset, and their combined data plans cost more than the talk/text plan.  I deal with it every day.

    • Lsjsjansnsn

      What sucks is that theres no unlimited family plan for data

  • http://brgulker.wordpress.com/ brgulker

    No more subsidized phones for me!

  • Jammer

    Im glad Google is planning to sell devices independently of the carriers.

  • ExpiredVZWContract

    Anyone happen to know when Vzw thinks "summer" starts? June 1? June 15?
    I'm guessing it will be before they release the SIII

     

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Sunghwa-Woo/542631978 Ray Sunghwa Woo

    Does anyone know?
    I have a 3G phone, a Droid X. And I'm planning to buy a 4G phone from a third party for a full price, then will I be able to get the 4G unlimited? My contract expires this year. 

    • None

       If you buy a new phone from VZW on subsidized pricing, you will be forced to change your plan if this goes through.  So if you buy a $199 Galaxy Nexus, plan change.  If you buy a $650 Nexus(or whatever a third party might charge you that doesn't involve contract), no plan change.

  • http://corsicazik.com/ Den Kravec

    Noooooo!!!!!! Im getting so over verizon fucking over their customers..

  • CeluGeek

    The title of this post is misleading. Quoting Verizon: "The same pricing and policies will be applied to all 3G and 4GLTE smartphones." It is obvious that you will be slapped with a tiered data plan if you buy ANY smartphone on contract, not just 4G smartphones. This means the only way to avoid losing your unlimited plan will be buying your devices at their no-contract price, which sucks because you'll get the same VZW bloatware, software and hardware locks as if you have bought the device with a contract, even though you will be paying what unlocked GSM smartphones cost.

  • Jbowman1018

    I really hope Google's new Nexus program will have a VZW compatible LTE version. Then I will just buy it from Google and either let my plan chill or if I HAVE to I'll renew it without subsidy. I will have to figure out how all that works. In any case I have untill next spring. Still sucks but better than the initial reports.

  • http://twitter.com/amcfarla Aaron McFarland

    Want to fight Verizon...speak with your dollars, go to the competition since that is the only thing they will hear.

  • yankeesusa

    At least they are giving people the option to pay full price for a phone and stay on the same plan. Hey at least you wont be under contract and if sprint ever gets their lte up like they have planned by early 2013 it may be worth it to switch to them if they still keep unlimited data.

  • Ernesto Estrada
  • yarrellray

    Verizon is becoming more and more the biggest JOKE in the industry. This is a carrier that can't perform updates on handsets the WORST in the industry. Their LTE technology while it may have the most LTE markets it also has the most problems. Bad dBM signal strength as well as overall network troubles which of course they don't want everyone to know about there overrated network. I'm not impressed with Verizon at all and look forward to taking my two lines elsewhere when the NEXT NEXUS hits the Google Play store. GSM here I come.................

  • Radioman777

    I'm thinking more on the line of just going with a regular cell phone when my contracts up. I use the the hotspot to connect my lap top and ipad 2 to the internet. I could switch to wild blue for about $50 or $60 a month and save money. I could use Wi-Fi hotspots around town when in town, that's what I do now.

    • broadwayblues

      OMG do NOT go to Satellite internet. The caps are absurd and the latency is horrible. There are legions of people like me looking to get off of Hughesnet and WB. I pay $90 a month for 425 Mb per 24 hours and get around 1 mb/s as long as it isn't Saturday, Sunday or a weekday between 5 pm and 10 pm. Otherwise I get dial up speeds. I rely on my Verizon 3G because it seems so fast compared to Hughesnet. Please do some research before you sign any contract with a satellite internet company. Just pay full price for your phones once the Verizon plans change over.

  • Guest 1

    They are doing this because of the next iPhone. Think about it. All iPhone users right now have 3G and a lot have the unlimited data plan. New iPhone is gonna be LTE and this statement confirms it. They are going to have to migrate to new tier data pricing with this new change when they choose to upgrade to the iPhone LTE. So all you iPhone users I would recommend you upgrade to LTE now to grandfather your data plan. (I hope) Smart move by Verizon.

  • Grfn21

    verizon customer service is denying that any such statement was made when i went to cancel my plan they claimed that i am miss informed and will not be forced out of my plan or forced to pay full price for any phones

  • kevjohn

    I'm not here to bitch and moan, I just need to know *exactly* when Verizon plans on making this switch. First day of summer, last, some random day in the middle?? I am 'patiently' waiting for Samsung to release the phone I want (an LTE version of the Note) but I'll have to take other measures to beat the deadline if they don't hurry. I've hit up to 5gb in one month before on my 3G connection, I can't possibly afford a tiered plan with a 4G connection.

  • Killa504killa

    If you have to buy the phone at full price why not go to Straight talk and get the gs3?

  • Me

    Sprint here I com. 

  • Mucktoerider

    I think this will only slow sales down in the new devices. Thus in turn will slow down people from going to new technology. It's greed driving this tiered plans. In the end it will bite them. Time for Verizon to be bought out again just like the transition they did from air touch. Pay attention Motorola, Apple, Samsung. Keep 3G phones available. Or create your own network phone company. I can see apple doing just that. That would be killer!

  • http://twitter.com/Antoniius Anthony Hallman

     hey guys help me stop this greedy ass company and sign my petition!

    Verizon Wireless: Allow customers to keep there unlimited data plans and phone upgrades. http://www.change.org/petitions/verizon-wireless-allow-customers-to-keep-there-unlimited-data-plans-and-phone-upgrades

  • Zachary Morris

    Ok this says it all and was taken from the VZW contract and I quote
     "
    If you change your device or receive a Service promotion, you may be required to change your Plan to one that we are currently offering at that time."   Also if you go from 3G to 4G you loose your unlimited anyway. So my issue here is I have two devices that both have issues. Just had to replace my Inc 2 as it had a bad speaker and was giving feedback. I also have a Xperia Play well wait a VZW Play lol. Great device apart from being locked down but with the new ota I lost my Google sever connection and dont get my email, no gtalk, market is much slower yada yada.  

    Also one thing I saw when the press release came out is that while you can keep unlimited if you buy at full price if you buy from VZW.  I'm no expert but seems to me that if you do buy a phone it has to be a branded VZW device as well.  Just last year they did something like this where if you bought the device from say Amazon they would not help you fix a faulty device unless you had the insurance and we all know that's not through VZW

  • Lmu18

    I have four lines on my account, two being with the unlimited data plan. If I upgrade with one of the lines with no data plan and then switch that phone to my line (unlimited) will that make me lose my plan?

  • SATAN

    FUCK VERIZON AND FUCK YOU!

  • Infected airnorne ADR6400L

    Dan, you and Verizon can suck my fat dick. that is if you can take Verizon's dick out of your mouth long enough. Does Comcast or knology limit the data they provide? Name the ISP that does. Tell me what makes verizon special or different? For the price, my data damn well should be unlimited. When your dumbass goes 3 megabytes over your data limit and you have an extra $250 tacked on your bill you'll realize it doesn't matter how much you suck Verizon's cock. Because they still only wanna ram it home in your asshole.... Goofy bitch.

  • gill

    @ Dan - You AND Verizon can blow a fat one (and I don't mean a j). That's if you can take big reds outta your mouth long enough to slide another one in it. You don't know s**t. 2 gigabytes on 4g evaporates like water in death valley. Especially for people whose jobs are based around the use of their data plan and their smart phone. You can't convince me the largest and fastest Every growing 4g networks bandwidth is suffering. For every person who uses more than 10 gigs a month there's another who uses 40 bytes. They're just trying to railroad people. They want to get rid if people who use alit if data? That's a fatal mistake. They'll lose at least half their customer base and they'll move over to T-Mobile and they'll have the largest and fastest 4g network with all the new income they gain. Then you'll be crying about the way they tacked an extra $250 on your bill because you went 3 megabytes over your pathetic data cap. Then you'll realize not matter how much you blow Verizon they still only want to Fu¢k you in the a$$ in the end... You goofy punk.

  • Infected Airborne ADR6400L

    @ Dan - You AND Verizon can blow a fat one (and I don't mean a j). That's if you can take big reds outta your mouth long enough to slide another one in it. You don't know s**t. 2 gigabytes on 4g evaporates like water in death valley. Especially for people whose jobs are based around the use of their data plan and their smart phone. You can't convince me the largest and fastest, every growing 4g networks bandwidth, is suffering. For every person who uses more than 10 gigs a month there's another who uses only 40 bytes. They're just trying to railroad people. They want to get rid of people who use alot of data? That's a fatal mistake. They'll lose at least half their customer base and they'll move over to T-Mobile, and they'll have the largest and fastest 4g network with all the new income they gain. Then you'll be crying about the way they tacked an extra $250 on your bill because you went 3 megabytes over your pathetic data cap. Then you'll realize no matter how much you blow Verizon they still only want to put it in your a$$ in the end... You goofy punk.

  • gill

    @ Dan - You AND Verizon can blow a fat one (and I don't mean a j). That's if you can take big reds outta your mouth long enough to slide another one in it. You don't know s**t. 2 gigabytes on 4g evaporates like water in death valley. Especially for people whose jobs are based around the use of their data plan and their smart phone. You can't convince me the largest and fastest, every growing 4g networks bandwidth, is suffering. For every person who uses more than 10 gigs a month there's another who uses only 40 bytes. They're just trying to railroad people. They want to get rid of people who use alot of data? That's a fatal mistake. They'll lose at least half their customer base and they'll move over to T-Mobile, and they'll have the largest and fastest 4g network with all the new income they gain. Then you'll be crying about the way they tacked an extra $250 on your bill because you went 3 megabytes over your pathetic data cap. Then you'll realize no matter how much you blow Verizon they still only want to put it in your a$$ in the end... You goofy punk.

  • Ja

    Y is the USA so backwards? Asia has no problem with 30 dollar a month (or less!) unlimited plans and carriers still take in a great profit.

  • Reggie Kenner

    Makes me laugh out loud. All cell phone advertisers show is people watching movies on their phones with a screen so large it won't fit in a pocket and people are hypnotized by this junk.
    What the heck do you expect?
    I have a grandfathered unlimited plan. Stream music frequently, don't watch any video stuff except the rare youtube video, use my GPS apps and some other stuff often. I checked a minute ago and last month used less than the 2GB my wife's plan has. She's no the phone using her 4g connection and has hardly scratched the surface of the 2GB.
    I've been with Verizon since day 1 of wireless service. Won't change.
    There are so many low-cost alternatives for almost every complaint about stuff streamed on the phone (it's a frigging PHONE first) but let's whine about this because we have our eyes glued to that tiny screen whether walking down the street, driving the car or playing golf.
    I'll keep the iPhone4, watch my movies on the television or let the kids use a player in the car.
    How did we get to be so connected to the phone in the first place? The carriers lulled us into complacency and now their plan moves into another gear.
    Don't blame them...blame us.

  • #frustrated#smalltown

    I used 32gb last month, and this month, a phantom clerical error shut off my phone. interestingly enough, I am now stuck with 3G on my phone. (wondering if Verizon could turn off my 4GLTE service)