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Apparently there are a whole slew of pissed off users because Google decided that the Nexus One will not be getting updated to Ice Cream Sandwich. As a result, an infographic was made to represent the fact that Apple can support its four devices better than manufacturers support their ump-teen Android devices. The infographic compares the all the iPhones of the past three years (so it excludes the 4S) to most Android devices of the same timeframe.

Let's have a look before we continue:

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At first glance, it seems like a well put together graphic with attention to detail, right? For the most part -- yes. But, there are a few device that should've been included in the list, as they came out around the same time: namely, Droid X and Droid 2. I realize that is only two devices, but those two devices are running the newest version of Android and are still being supported. Granted, neither will probably see Android 4.0, but that's not the point. Those are two devices that are not present to represent the we're still getting updates crowd.

Also, throwing the Devour, BackFlip, Cliq XT, and Ally into the mix? Give me a break -- those phones were doomed before they hit shelves. iPhones are flagship devices. If you want to compare apples to apples, then bring out the Android big dogs to play the game, not the Chihuahuas that weren't intended to hold a candle to the competition in the first place.  This brings me to my next point...

So what if the lower end devices were never updated to Gingerbread, or even Froyo? That is still what was in the best interest of the end user. From a hardware standpoint, those devices were not capable of handling newer versions of Android, and while that's less than ideal, the manufacturers made the right choice. How many times have you heard an iPhone 3G owner complain about how awful iOS 4 is on their device? I don't know a single person who had good results with that upgrade -- proof that it shouldn't have been updated. If you want to make sure your device is going to get an update and be able to run it, then don't buy a low end device.

I'm not saying that fragmentation isn't still an issue in some Android devices. We're all aware that there is a problem with certain devices getting updated -- but that isn't Google's fault; it's the manufacturers. Should the Motorola Droid get Android 2.3? No. It runs like crap. Should the LG Revolution (not on this list, just an example) get Android 2.3? Yes -- it's fully capable, and LG should do something about that.

And, before I get called a fanboy, let me make one thing clear. Sure, I feel compelled to defend Android when it's justified. I'm no fanboy -- I pride myself on objectivity, and this infographic just ain't it.

[via the understatement]

Cameron Summerson
Cameron is a self-made geek, Android enthusiast, horror movie fanatic, musician, and cyclist. When he's not pounding keys here at AP, you can find him spending time with his wife and kids, plucking away on the 6-string, spinning on the streets, or watching The Texas Chainsaw Massacre on repeat.

  • http://denh.am DrMacinyasha

    I'd just like to point out, claiming that the iPhone and iPhone 3G are on the "latest" version (iOS 5) is a JOKE. iPhone can't run iOS 4, and putting iOS 4 on an iPhone 3G is nearly impossible.

    • Ravrahn

      Ah, but you see, they carefully chose the cutoff point to be the point when iPhones stop being supported, to make it look like they are perfect. iPhone ran iOS 3, 3 years after, and iPhone 3G ran iOS 4, 3 years after, even if it was crap.

      • Ryan S

        But all IOS3/4 are not the same. They have sub-versions with dramatically different functionality. Just like Android. Well over 90% of android phones are on 2.X. Just like how Apple had IOS 3.1, 3.2 and 3.3 at launch and the same for IOS4.

        And they werent just different versions for those older phones, they were missing some key functionality like multitasking, and more recently SIRI.

        In reality any more "fragmentation" of android versions would only be slightly worse than that of IOS.

    • chris ponciano

      i was just thinking that, the iphone and the 3G are not on the current version and far from it, they dropped out like two versions ago and even the 3GS is barely hanging on. and by conveniently ending it in july they left ALOT of information out

      • _Tetragrammaton

        Define "barely hanging on". Your post was barely logical as in not at all. My 3GS is running IOS5. What am I missing?

        • ChrisS

          Siri, multi tasking and all the tasks that require a dual core...

    • http://schpydurx.livejournal.com ProfessorTom

      It takes a bit of reading, but what the graph is looking at is how long the device was supported, not whether or not the device is running the latest version of the OS.

    • ShawnB

      They, also, left off other iOS devices like the iPod Touch. The newer versions of iOS don't support the older versions of the Touch.

      • Jack

        iPod touch is not a freakIng phone!! OMG

  • Bas

    Too bad, but this is what we use 'rooting' for.

  • papoose34328

    that infographic is completely wrong! i'm running gb v2.3.7 on my OG droid! ;)

  • robot-shmobot

    They forgot to designate say, pink for "does not currently run properly with latest update" which would put the iPhone and iPhone 3G well into the pink after it's second update.

  • Matt

    I wouldn't feel bad about being a fanboy here. One look at the infographic and it's obvious what side of the fence the author's on. My first reaction was the same kind you had.. "Backflip? Cliq? Garmin Garminfone?" Who the F would buy this garbage and expect it to run the latest and greatest OS version?

    • Dragonithe

      And don't forget the Behold II
      That phone has just been a really bad story for Samsung.

  • Russell Holly (@russellholly)

    Yeah! So what if a user bought a phone because some pink shirt jockeyed whatever got them the most activations that month for the next free thing. So what if that device was purchased with an expectation and the manufacturer abandoned the device because it wasn't worth supporting. Screw those morons, right?!

    Forget my opinion for a second though, and lets look at some fact. Google disagrees with you. That's why they are trying to implement a 16 month support policy for all Android phones moving forward.

    Is the infographic fair and balanced? Of course not. It was bought and paid for by the small minded assholes in Cupertino. That doesn't mean that parts of this aren't accurate and, sad to say, embarrassing.

    • Phil

      Do your research before you purchase. This is the grown-up world...not the Apple toy world. You can't expect the latest to always run on some crappy low end phone that barely runs the version its on. Theres simply no way around that except to stop making low end phones. And lets be honest....those that buy low end phones probably don't know there's new versions of the OS anyway...otherwise they probably wouldn't have bought the low end phone to start with.

    • David Ruddock

      Russel, I think owners of many of these low-end phones honestly couldn't give much of a rat's ass about the updated software. I'm sure someone would be happy to point us to plenty of forums or blog posts with plenty of people bitching about their Backflip not receiving Android 2.1, but the same thing happens when someone gets upset that their 2-year old $200 Dell netbook with Windows XP won't run the newest version of Photoshop. You get what you pay for.

      For enthusiasts, it's an important consideration, but to suggest that the price of a phone doesn't at all reflect the subsequent level of software support it will receive is a bit absurd.

      Phones like the EVO 4G and Nexus One had a respectable update lifespan, but do you think HTC can justify spending the money to update these phones when they've probably got a half dozen more they want to take to ICS and another half dozen they're building that will run ICS out of the box?

      Apple can focus on hardware backwards compatibility to an extent Android manufacturers never will, and I for one would prefer they spend money on building new and exciting phones, not updating old hardware that has a quickly dwindling user base.

  • Joey Klatzko

    There are only three devices that were high end at the time of release; HTC Evo 4G, HTC Droid Incredible and the Nexus One. This is an infographic of all low/midrange phones. Put the Droid X, MyTouch4G, Galaxy S, G2, etc. on there and there would be a lot more green.

    • Cameron Summerson

      Exactly.

    • mistermix

      I bought an original Droid on the first day it was released. It was "high end" then, so it should be on your list (and the graphic).

      Lots of defensiveness in this thread. The graphic might be skewed, but it identifies a real issue - manufacturers' support cycles and customer purchase cycles are out of sync for Android, and updates on Android phones drop late if they drop at all. It also shows that the only phones that get real support are the Nexus phones.

      • mark212

        exactly. I have an indisputably "high end" phone in my HTC Thunderbolt and I'm still waiting for my upgrade to 2.3 -- nearly a year after it's out.

    • cody

      is there a thanks button cause i agree with you there they put zero flagship android phones for any carrier on there. if there was a thanks id totally give it to you

  • SHADOW

    It's due to phone manufactures, if they went with stock android, it would be damn easy to release updates for it but they keep modyfing the code so heavily that any updates to their versions takes a lot of time and resources (money, workhours)

    • J

      Yes! Apple has the advantage there.

      Either have Google say "Enough with the customization, all phones released from date x and beyond must ship with stock Android and get updated along with our Nexus line"...

      Or Google should have had ICS ready in July, for example, and given it to HTC, Moto, LG, Samsung, etc and said "you have until Oct 19 to get your skins working, you will push updates for all phones starting midnight Oct 20th and must have completed the roll out to all of your devices by 11:59pm on Oct 27." Then we know, as long as our phone's hardware supports the new OS, within a week of the announcement we'll have ICS. And if they can't get the skin grafted onto ICS by the deadline, tough, they ship stock android.

    • cody

      i also have to agree with you i wish they would and i think ics can help now it will take some time to get rid of some of the crap out there now but i think it will happen. well i want to hope it will.

  • mostlyDigital

    One thing that makes this graphic dishonest is the implication that the rows are time-synchronous. The right side cells of phones like the HTC Droid Incredible map to current months. The right side cells of the iPhone map to a period three years after the release of the phone - 6/29/2010 - more than a year ago.

    The graphic should be extended to bring the iPhone up to the present (and not green) and right justified.

    The industry has changed quite a bit (yes, a lot of that change was the result of the iPhone) but let's have a chart that is consistent with that fact.

    More to the point, don't blame the situation on Android. Realize that each manufacturer has and many form factors, sometimes with different versions of their own UIs resulting in many separate ROMs.

    I'd like to see Google update all Nexus phones at once when a new Android version comes out. Then it would be evident that the issue is a manufacturer issue and not an Android issue.

  • Carlos

    My OG Droid runs CyanogenMod 7 just fine (Android 2.3.7), and even if the infographic is greatly biased it is a big fact that most android manufacturers are not doing enough to keep their devices updated, lucky for us the community won't let us down :D

  • rodalpho

    First, you admit that the droid X and droid 2 won't be getting ICS, and they are just over one year old and still under contract. This appears to support the author's viewpoint.

    Secondly, the argument that older hardware isn't being updated "for its own good" is simply not true. You can hackinstall GB on the original droid and it works great. Very fast and smooth.

    • Cameron Summerson

      I completely disagree with "works great" and "fast and smooth." I have an OG Droid, and the Gingerbread experience on it is frustrating at best - because of the limited RAM, apps are constantly getting killed (Tasker, media player, etc.). It simply cannot handle it.

      Fortunately, my OG is nothing more than an alarm clock at this point.

      • ChrisS

        Try another ROM. I too found some problems with some GB roms. Even CM7 and PeteAlfonso/BB can be clunky at times. I do love the speed of Project Elite though. BBbbbutter!

  • Scott

    Does anyone else notice that the iPhone prices are listed as $199 while the Android devices are listed as "$200"? That right there is a reason for me to believe this is a biased study, rounding up the hundreds column to the next number? I'm pretty sure those devices were not sold at a flat $200, but rather at $199.99 - the price I paid for my OG Droid in Nov 2009. This infographic is a great concept, but poorly executed.

    • Wes

      Seriously? That's your criticism, that the guy rounded the prices up by one cent? He probably just did it to save space on the info-graphic.

  • chris ponciano

    yeah one of the best things i have on my EVO is options... If i wasnt happy with stock, i had fresh evo, when i wanted more i went to cyanogen nightlies and have been loving CM7, with any other phone i would be stuck with the stock boring options all day, but with android ther is the options for people to branch out and change shit with out even rooting sometimes, you cant say that with my ipod, ther is cydia yeah but the jailbreak scene has been dying down and jailbreaks are almost nonexistant these days without tethering, and even then major changes often required like winterboard and other separate packages that often would end up crashing the system often.

  • Tashlan

    Speaking of flagship phones, where's the Galaxy S? Mine in running Gingerbread via CM7 quite wonderfully.

  • Phil

    Let me sum this up for you all. The usual sales drop off for the iPhone after a ZOMG launch weekend must have been bigger than usual this time around. Either that or they expected more because of Sprint and finally the latest on Verizon. They believed their own hype that so many people wanted iPhones and its not happening. In a couple of months you'll see the same trend from ComScore, Neilsens and the like.

    So expect to see more hit pieces like this as it becomes ever so apparent that all they hype was just hype and people are actually buying Android because they want it and not because they can't get an iPhone.

  • Owen Finn

    Oh, wow! Someone acknowledges that the HTC Aria exists! Yay, Aria owners!

    • Cameron Summerson

      The what?

      Kidding.

  • Elvis

    If they want to compare phones it should be nexus vs iphone, not 50 random phones not even running android the way it's meant.

    That's like installing windows on one machine, installing osx on another, deleting the dll files on the windows, then bragging about how much better the mac is lol

    • Cameron Summerson

      Yep. It's a lot like comparing a Windows XP netbook, which is meant to be low-end (and stay that way) to a brand new Macbook Air.

  • Simon Belmont

    Wow, talk about the spin on this infographic. They should have chosen actual powerhouse (at the time) Android handsets. My wife's Sprint HTC EVO 4G went through three major Android versions. So did the Verizon HTC Droid Incredible.

    They also neglect to mention that the iPhone 2G and 3G are now defunct, but instead make them look up to date. Yeah, I know it's supposed to be for the first three years after they were released, but it's kind of misleading.

  • Steven

    I'm sorry? Did they really pick a bunch of low-end, no-name phones to do this comparison with?

  • JT

    And what about my 1G Ipod Touch....I can't even get iOS3 on that piece of crap.

  • Sebastian

    I don't see the Galaxy S, the Nexus S and the Galaxy S2.

    The first Galaxy S is running 2.3.7 with CM7.

    And the official 2.3.5 from Samsung is available in Kies. Soo.....

    You remember the Galaxy s , don't you?
    There is about 10 millions of them around.

  • L boogie

    There's no denying that fragmentation exists in android as well as iOS but this is a sad excuse of an infograph that only cave- dwelling bottom feeders would believe this useless garbage....

  • Franz

    Please stop apolofizing for lazy and incompetent device vendors. He also left out the Galaxy S devices which where a huge fiasco, with botched updates if there ever was one. I have an international Galaxy S which was actually well supported by Android standards. But I still don't want to endure the waiting for Samsung and the carriers ever again. It also SHOULD get ICS because it is the same hardware as the Nexus S. I can't

    wait for the bullshit excuses they come up with for that phone. So I'm in the market fo Galaxy Nexus. This is also why I'm so pissed

    • Franz

      On another note: Text entry and editing on Android is abysmal. I gave up on the above comment because I could not move the cursor where I needed it. Needles to say I'm pissed off. Stop apologizing for the crap we get by those companies! We shelled out a lot of money!

    • Sebastian

      Are you kidding right?
      I have the International Galaxy and i used every version of android since Eclair.
      Check SamFirmware perhaps you missed the updates-
      Started with Eclair and now using OFFICIAL GB 2.3.5.

  • GraveUypo

    personally do not care. i'll be getting custom ROMs forever anyways. google and the other manufactures can sort their own mess, and if people actually believe this graphic, that's their problem.

  • blue horseshoe loves…

    tipb.com has a significantly different interpretation of this chart... :-|

    • blue horseshoe loves…

      as does wired.com (the exemplar android device pictured with the graphic on wired.com appears to be DInc 2...which wasn't included in the survey. Go figure.)

  • Runnerx

    I had a Backflip and it is now an official cm7 device. That would be the biggest hole on this graph, community support. Of course coming from the Apple side they do not understand about things like that.

    • cody

      lol agreed help from other phone users what granted they have jail break or whatever but they only have IOS thats it no AOSP or ports or anything

    • http://deadblogisdead.blogspot.com greg

      You guys clearly didn't read the article that was posted with this graph in the very beginning. The creator stated VERY clearly in his article that this graph shows manufacture updates only. If it showed community updates then iOS would be just as updated, if not more, than android, even with the community. At least read the source before you start making stuff up. BTW, hate Apple, really do, but I do my research, and you all should do the same.

      • xwatchmanx

        True, but I think there's a very important point being made here, and that's that if the manufacturer stops putting updates, the vast majority of androids are still community-supported. Sure, they're sometimes unstable, but oftentimes the community releases are way more stable and functional than the official releases. I remember the Samsung Moment I had being an absolutely POS running official software, and relied almost exclusively on community software from SDX to get certain things stable and working. heck, even my Samsung Epic (which I'm happy with, except for Samsung's as-usual-failed-promises of updates) generally runs better with custom ROMs then on stock.

        But of course, the android dev community is the main thing that absolutely pwns the iPhone, and the creator of this graph, naturally, took the approach that would make androids look bad in every way. It's akin to making a comparison between the tortoise and the hare solely based on speed, and not on steadiness. It would be an unfair, unbalanced comparison designed specifically to make the tortoise look bad. Same thing with this chart.

      • xwatchmanx

        Btw, I love how they didnt include the Nexus One and Nexus S, which are the only real comparable "gPhones" compared to the iPhone. TOTALLY not biased at all. Pathetic... -_-

  • xwatchmanx

    I agree that this thing is extremely biased... although Im surprised they didnt include the Samsung Galaxy S (1) line... especially my phone, the epic... it's literally been at least one version behind consistently since it was released, and is about to become 2 versions behind, despite the promised 2.3 update. Fortunately, I have the latest 2.3.4 leak converted to ext4, thanks to XDA and samfirmware.

    of course, this brings another issue... in addition to the original iPhone running horribly on IOS4 despite being "consistently updated", notice that if updates stopped, there would be no fan community "porting" the newest iOS to the older devices. And at least to my knowledge (please respectfully correct me if im wrong), there's no real "tweaking" of the iOS to make it run better on older iPhones.

    That's the tradeoff that the creator of this chart fails to acknowledge: Android users often sacrifice timely "official" updates (and even then, mostly if you dont have a nexus phone), but in exchange, they have a huge fan community that continues to make the phones better than ever, abandoned or not. Heck, my last phone, the Samsung Moment, which never saw an official update after 2.1, has received well-working fan-ported 2.2, and from what i hear, 2.3 is currently in alpha... and that phone is from november 2009, and the last official OS update was in spring 2010. Not bad for an old early generation android.

    • cody

      agreed also android is new and they are google is trying to pull its self in front so far im happy with the huge strides they are making. besides iv known a few people that have decent phones and they where running whatever the fuck was stock probably and dont check to see if there are updates lol. i actually do it for people when i see them im like hey let me see your phone. BANG update then runs better for them haha.

      • xwatchmanx

        haha. i would do that, but im not lucky enough to know anyone besides me personally enough with androids except my girlfriend (who i convinced to go android). poor girl has to deal with me constantly stealing her phone, lol. :-p

        honestly, i disagree with the "android is new" argument.... they've been around since, when, 08? but i agree, newer than the iPhone, and the latest crop of phones beast the specs of the iPhone4S. granted, specs arent everything, but still.

    • Franz

      Community ROMS are definately a nice thing, but with so many devices being released all over the place, Devs are really going to be spread thin.

      They also crave the newest and most powerful phones, so they too abandon older (1year old) phones.

    • Simon Belmont

      I hate to say this, but the original iPhone was never updated to iOS 4.x. Support for it and the iPod Touch 1G was dropped after iOS 3.x.

      The Samsung Moment's (and Transform's and Intercept's) main problem was the lack of an OpenGL driver to take advantage of the onboard GPU. Samsung never addressed this and the latter two handsets are still on sale to this day.

  • Tim

    To cut through all bullshit, I have a simple rejoinder to all these Apple-paid pseudo-journalists:

    Two year old Eclair is more advanced and feature complete than today's iOS 5. THAT"S the reason having updates for the sake of updates is not a priority on Android devices.

    Lick that and cry softly into Siri.

    • xwatchmanx

      eh.... im an admitted android fanboy (tho im very fair in my judgement if i say so myself), but that sounds farfetch'd.... eclair being more advanced than iOS5? i doubt it. what are you basing that on?

      • jaamgans

        Well other than Siri Eclair has pretty much all the major other features that the iOS5 is offering:

        cloud backup - tick (though not as neat as IOS5).
        pull down notifications - tick had this from 1.1 (and its still better than iOS5's solution and can't wait for ICS which is going to make it even better).

        I think that is probably why Tim made the simplified statement he did.

        • xwatchmanx

          I understand, but at the same time, you need to consider all speed and memory optimizations and the like. If you took a SGSII and had it running eclair, even though its specs are technically better, I wouldn't be surprised if the iPhone4S outperformed it. Eclair lacked a whole bunch of JIT and graphical and speed and battery optimizations that werent present until froyo onward.

  • Robin

    Actually, I am very frustrated at the fact that Android manufacturers seem to basically obsolete a phone one year after it has come out. I am going to therefore only buy Nexus phones going forward. But this could be enough to drag me into iPhone land.

    What kind of world do we live in where a one year old piece of £500 equipment is already obsolete? It is just wrong.

    • xwatchmanx

      i dont blame you there. It used to not be an issue for me cuz Sprint did yearly upgrades, but now that those are gone and upgrades are only every 2 years, it only seems fair to support a device for at least that long. Hopefully, the Nexus Prime/Galaxy Nexus will be my next phone when i switcht o verizon :-D

  • http://atechstory.com toph

    Things are never quite as good as they seem or as bad as they seem.

    I think there IS a real issue with fragmentation. Graphs or no graphs. Charts or no charts. Im a self professed geek and even I am wary of buying certain Android phones because I dont know if they will get the latest updates. I saw the debacle with the Galaxy S series in the US. I've seen plenty of phones promised updates only to see it never happen, or happen much later than expected. Now of course this isnt Googles fault necessarily, but it IS frustrating.

    Im sure theres someone saying "well uh, thats what XDA is for."..but the average consumer doesnt CARE about that. Nor should they have to. I shouldnt have to install custom roms to get high end functionality on my device. Not to mention that custom ROMs arent always as stable as stock updates.

    That feeling some consumers have that their device is constantly on the verge of obsolete? Thats not fanboy drivel. Thats real. Anyway I could go on, but I dont want to type a novel here.

  • yobbei

    Thanks Cameron love your blog because yours is one of the very few that actually has an opinion unlike most other sites that just rehashes news one after another.

    Cheers and long live android I am a fanboy.

  • http://lavadip.com HRJ

    I am an Android fanboy. (There I said it.) And that chart is definitely skewed, as they missed several good Android phones.

    BUT. It is a shame that Google's own Nexus One won't get an official ICS update, just after two years of the phone being released. That trumps all arguments against the info-graphic.

    Google should have known better than that. There was considerable backlash against HTC when didn't provide the GB upgrade to Desire, and they eventually succumbed to public pressure. We should do the same with Goog.

    • xwatchmanx

      Frankly, I think that's a little harsh... i mean, it sucks that the Nexus 1 wont get it, but it's a two-year old phone. I think to continue updates until the two year mark is fair, especially since people are eligible for upgrades at that point. Plus you have to remember how many customers may or may not be on the Nexus 1. It might simply just not be cost effective if not enough people still use the nexus 1.

  • CxOrillion

    I could be wrong, but didn't the iPhone 4G debut at $399? I'm pretty sure my roommates got them at that price... And for that matter I'm pretty sure all of the Apple phones debuted at that price. Or are we going with the 2-year contract price? Because if THAT'S true, then there is no way the Android prices are accurate. I know the HTC Incredible's price is accurate (If we're using the 2-year contract), but most of those phones are NOT Flagship phones, and didn't have Flagship 2-year contract prices.

  • psj

    maybe google want to simplify this issue with the release of ice-cream-sandwitch... i hate so much when remembering galaxy s - CONTINUUM, stucked with its ECLAIR

  • joe

    I disagree with the author, according to motorola, the original droid was not capable of running 2.2 and beyond, however, they have been proven wrong. Also, the manufacturers take 6+ months to release an update if they even do. This tells me that they are just to interested in maintaining sold hardware but in selling more hardware. Thus the users are stuck with the pain.

  • joe

    End-users are being told that upon buying an android device, they are pretty likely to not recieve any security patches. It is up to the manufacturers descretion. Why aren't folks concerned buying an android device? Rooting is not an acceptable user experienced. Only a miniscule percentage of users are even capable of rooting.

    • xwatchmanx

      I have to respectfully say that, no offense Joe, but the last two sentences are a grossly uneducated statement. Rooting can very much be a great user experience (so much so that people who get on the ball updates, like owners of the Evo, still continue to root and mod), depending on the phone and developers. Also, The notion that "only a small amount of users are capable of rooting" statement is absolutely false. Rooting isnt one of those things that requires software programming knowledge: just a little bit of time and googling, and a willingness to learn. Trust me, I was able to do it and cant program anything for crap. People who whine "oh i cant root" are just too lazy to perform some google searches and use a little common sense. Heck, some phones can use the "gingerbreak" method, which literally instantly roots your phone by simply installing and running the gingerbreak app (as was the case with my gf's LG Ally)

      • http://lavadip.com HRJ

        Problem with rooting and installing a cutom ROM: You have to trust a third-party app / ROM build.

        And this is no ordinary app we are talking about, it is an app that has ROOT privileges and can easily install play havoc with your sensitive data.

        I don't even trust the big guys (remember the HTC fiasco, or the Apple geo logging one, in a parallel universe?). I don't think it is a good idea to trust pretty much a random guy on the internet.

        Ofcourse, if it was an open-source app, you could compile it yourself, and reduce the element of surprise, but now we are talking about geeks and not the average user.

        • xwatchmanx

          Hm. You do touch on a valid concern there. But again, it's up to the user. Personally, I've been rooting since my first android in summer 2010 up until now, with no security issues whatsoever. Plus, SDX (and XDA, tho I dont use it often) are really tight on keeping their devs legit. Besides, you can always wait until a few hundred users (and some devs and moderators) on the threads say "hey this works!" with no security issue, before you try it

  • Maranello

    It might not sound typical. A grown man might want be ti root his evolution but my 16 year old younger sister manually rooted(if I'm not mistakenthe harder way) the cliq xt she used to have. That was before I even switched to android. I didn't show her how to do it but somep
    eople are afraid to root.

  • http://deuci.com/ Jeffrey Lin

    Google has serious follow through issues. Same corporate internal problems for this is probably also the culprit for all the services like Google Wave and iGoogle they've been killing off, but only first after neglecting.